From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #132 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 10 2010 Volume 18 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & Steve Wynn - Grand Kjelleren, Egersund, Norway, July 1st 2010 (From the Steve Wynn Archive) [] weird recording question [2fs ] Re: weird recording question [Jason Brown ] Re: iTunes issue with IOS4 [Tom Clark ] Re: weird recording question ["edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" ] Re: weird recording question [2fs ] FY everywhere TC [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:49:36 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & Steve Wynn - Grand Kjelleren, Egersund, Norway, July 1st 2010 (From the Steve Wynn Archive) so.... does anyone here have an unedited version of this? and, in other news, I finish downloading this in 5..4..3...2..1... done. Anyone need a copy? c* On 9 July 2010 20:44, lep wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: DIME > Date: Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:09 PM > Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock & Steve Wynn - Grand Kjelleren, > Egersund, Norway, July 1st 2010 (From the Steve Wynn Archive) > To: DIME > > > > A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. > > Torrent: 312158 > Title: Robyn Hitchcock & Steve Wynn - Grand Kjelleren, Egersund, > Norway, July 1st 2010 (From the Steve Wynn Archive) > Size: 344.55 MB > Category: Rock > Uploaded by: boerge > > Info hash: b4113376ec3b6a7b7f4db90d104bf3dd0bba7cd3 > > Description > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Robyn Hitchcock & Steve Wynn > Grand Kjelleren, Egersund, Norway > July 1st 2010 > > (From the Steve Wynn Archive) > > Lineage: Matrix from: > Soundboard => iRiver H320 (ROCKboxed) => USB => SoundBlaster X-Fi => > Adobe Audition 2.0 > Sony ECM-121 => iRiver H320 (ROCKboxed) => USB => SoundBlaster X-Fi => > Adobe Audition 2.0 > => FlacFrontend (level 6 - Align on sector boundaries) > > 01. The Kids Are Alright > 02. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere > 03. Street Fighting Man > 04. Dear Prudence > 05. Fear (Is A Man's Best Friend) > 06. Gigolo Aunt > 07. Walkin' The Dog > 08. Tired Of Waiting For You > 09. Crazy Feeling > 10. Golden Years > 11. Lodi > 12. Bad Moon Rising > 13. What Goes On > 14. It's So Hard > 15. Soul Kitchen > (15a. Riders On The Storm) > --- > 16. Rain > 17. Eight Miles High > > Steve Wynn: Guitar, vocals > Robyn Hitchcock: Guitar, vocals, harp > > Comments: > Indeed one magic night in Norway! > Robyn Hichcock and Steve Wynn met only a few hours prior to the > concert and still managed to play a full set of covers of songs by The > Who, Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, John Cale, Syd > Barrett, Rufus Thomas, The Kinks, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Creedence > Clearwater Revival, The Velvet Underground, John Lennon, The Doors and > The Byrds. > On request by Robyn most of the talk between songs has been edited > out. And on request by Steve track 15a, "Riders On The Storm" has been > omitted. I do understand why, so do the other who attended the > concert, I guess :-) > Thanks to Roald for the Festival Pass, and to Robyn and Steve for the > performance and allowing me to tape. > Enjoy! > http://www.stevewynn.net > http://traders.stevewynn.net > > Fingerprints: > SteveWynn2010-07-01track01.flac:913b2b12f8e297e844ee1bcc5697afa3 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track02.flac:7663f8e064291deaa03a0bf3e7f76231 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track03.flac:72213ef84d37ce68ce66b573cb750ba1 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track04.flac:269168c3c52fff4e3f505854f86852e5 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track05.flac:fde7d1d7e93755a1a633acd26b650c9a > SteveWynn2010-07-01track06.flac:1bba5184dafca74c09de44d33d7b2887 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track07.flac:eac73f157b833471bd2da94baa931f78 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track08.flac:280784fc154c63360b9ea32a86ec1d55 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track09.flac:c0711bb43aff30f7516e90947b8904cb > SteveWynn2010-07-01track10.flac:1be3475d8dc2599a5c68a670d6e43f94 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track11.flac:1f070731ca1f80426f0c6827890504bc > SteveWynn2010-07-01track12.flac:4273ca65ba45112c371d5b0b51630cbb > SteveWynn2010-07-01track13.flac:6fb1b08aa28a9a9ce510436be7bafa1f > SteveWynn2010-07-01track14.flac:63b69ac610ded51658aab835ade604b6 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track15.flac:b60b711eec38c31a67388f504b8dac38 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track16.flac:860ac840db0dfe5ee6c87f2b86b15d14 > SteveWynn2010-07-01track17.flac:771e716a489b20f870abb18e9d6d67cc > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can use the URL below to download the torrent (you may have to login). > > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=312158&hit=1 > > Take care! > > dimeadozen.org > > > ### Mail queued to EzTorrent v0.6.4r284 async outbound mailer on > 2010-07-09 at 16:07:54 GMT > ### Mail forwarded to MTA by EzTorrent v0.6.4r284 async outbound > mailer on 2010-07-09 at 16:09:03 GMT > > > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:49:46 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: weird recording question Does anyone think it makes any difference, in terms of listener perception, whether a given track is panned left or panned right? (I'm discounting orchestral recordings, where folks sometimes insist such panning should reflect traditional orchestral seating patterns.) It doesn't seem so to me - I can think of no reason why a guitar should necessarily be in the left or the right channel, only that the track as a whole should feel balanced - but...anyone have any ideas, stunning psychoacoustical insights, or political ranting to share on this issue? (Also: is anyone else's gmail autocomplete thing failing to work today? I started typing "feg" - at which point, usually, the rest of the address, nickname included, shows up...but today I had to click on the "To:" link to bring up my contacts. WTF? Didn't change any settings...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:09:25 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: weird recording question I'm now\ audio engineering expert but I see no reason anything should be pinned to a specific side. Hell, just the other day realized i've had my computer speakers flipped for the last 3 years and never noticed that the right speaker was putting out the left channel and vice versa. It's not like having home theater surround speakers flipped , where you could regularly notice an explosion on the left of the screen was coming from the right speakers. - -- Man of wisdom, and man of compromise, man of weak flesh in an armored disguise, all fall down. - - Robert Pollard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:41:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iTunes issue with IOS4 On Jul 8, 2010, at 8:00 PM, m swedene wrote: > I am getting the error: > > iphone is synced with another itunes library.... > > but I didnt make any changes to my library or synching on the iPhone. > > I am on a Mac running MAC OS X (10.6.4) and iTunes 9.2 (61) Have you tried re-authorizing the Mac with iTunes? Or just signing in and out again? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:19:02 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: weird recording question There are no "shoulds" when it comes to art, really. Stereo panning is whatever sounds / feels right. Having said that, I nearly always pan my drums "traditionally," with kick and snare centred, hat over to one side, toms arrayed across the pan, etc. (Unless I'm going for a special effect.) And on my own stuff, I prefer the drum panning to be as though it's me sitting at the drums, with the hat on the left, although I hear a lot of recordings mixed from the audience perspective, with the hat on the right. The only thing I've found at all is that things like bass and the kick drum are best centred (as a general rule), only because sounds with a lot of bass frequency can be a bit ear-achy in headphones when they're panned hard to one side. As ever, ymmv! peace, Edward >----Original Message---- >From: jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com >Date: 09/07/2010 21:49 >To: "pipe camera guy NO MIDGETS" >Subj: weird recording question > >Does anyone think it makes any difference, in terms of listener perception, >whether a given track is panned left or panned right? (I'm discounting >orchestral recordings, where folks sometimes insist such panning should >reflect traditional orchestral seating patterns.) > >It doesn't seem so to me - I can think of no reason why a guitar should >necessarily be in the left or the right channel, only that the track as a >whole should feel balanced - but...anyone have any ideas, stunning >psychoacoustical insights, or political ranting to share on this issue? > >(Also: is anyone else's gmail autocomplete thing failing to work today? I >started typing "feg" - at which point, usually, the rest of the address, >nickname included, shows up...but today I had to click on the "To:" link to >bring up my contacts. WTF? Didn't change any settings...) > >-- >...Jeff Norman > >The Architectural Dance Society >http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Margrave Subject: Eye http://blog.kexp.org/blog/2008/12/11/review-revue-robyn-hitchcock-eye/ "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:57:22 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: weird recording question On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:19 AM, edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk < edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > There are no "shoulds" when it comes to art, really. Stereo panning is > whatever sounds / feels right. > Well, yes - I guess I could have rephrased it as, "is there any reason to pan an instrument one way because doing it the other way somehow doesn't sound right?" > > Having said that, I nearly always pan my drums "traditionally," with > kick and snare centred, hat over to one side, toms arrayed across the > pan, etc. (Unless I'm going for a special effect.) And on my own stuff, > I prefer the drum panning to be as though it's me sitting at the drums, > with the hat on the left, although I hear a lot of recordings mixed > from the audience perspective, with the hat on the right. > That's an interesting detail - I hadn't thought of either the fact that drums are typically arrayed in a certain setup, or that the L/R orientation would be reversed from drummer's/audience's perspective. Although that audience is only really that audience if they're like directly in front of the drums: further away and the difference between the drummer's left and right is obliterated. Here's a book, on acoustic space & perception, that sounds interesting: < http://books.google.com/books?id=IVvPn5YX3oQC> > > The only thing I've found at all is that things like bass and the kick > drum are best centred (as a general rule), only because sounds with a > lot of bass frequency can be a bit ear-achy in headphones when they're > panned hard to one side. > And they're ear-achy because unless your speakers are quite far apart, the soundwaves for those frequencies are long enough so as to not localize - so it's a bit awkward trying to cram them in a box like that. Some records in the '60s did that sort of extreme panning (actually, later than that: the original mix of _Layla_ featured that kind of balancing), but the consensus shifted rapidly toward centering both bass-frequency items (again, except for occasional effect) and items that were more prominent (such as lead vocals). The idea seems to be that the throughline of the music is centered, while details, decorations, or highlighted items are panned. I've read some musicians and producers/engineers complain that recordings rarely take advantage of the stereo spectrum anymore - the model I describe above obviously tends to relegate single-channel items to secondary position. Your late-sixties/early-seventies records were rather more adventurous this way - although also (as with the bass issue - and with the earlier and notorious "instruments left, vocals right"* mixes) harder to listen to. * or vice versa... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:44:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: FY everywhere TC So, I've taken on a pro bono copyediting gig for some friends. It's a book about a singer's fave tracks from the last several decades. Along the way, in fact-checking this and that, I was compelled to look up some info on "Freebird" (or "Free Bird" - whatever) - and of course ran into reference to the tradition that some moron at any rock show ever needs to yell out a 'request' for that number. (I think I will try that next time I go to a symphony concert and see what happens.) Anyway, so that led to this article (did I mention pro bono? So I'm not on anyone's clock and am free to digress in my reading...): < http://www.gloriousnoise.com/features/2004/freebird-01-27.php>. Which, as you will see, a few screens down quotes "one Tom Clark." I'm thinking, well "Tom Clark" is a common enough name...but then I mouse over the link, and fuck me if it's not to fegmaniax. Which means our damned Tom Clark just happens to be quoted in an article I just happened to run into on a totally unrelated subject. It's enough to make me want to order a plate of shrimp, I'll tell ya. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #132 ********************************