From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #125 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 28 2010 Volume 18 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RIP Pete Quaife [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: RIP Pete Quaife [Jeff Margrave ] Re: Scott [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: I loved this [Jill Brand ] yes, Miles, except maybe [Jill Brand ] Re: I loved this [kevin studyvin ] The Smiths, etc. [Terrence Marks ] Re: All Hail The Ebster [Rex ] re: The Smiths [Rex ] Re: yes, Miles, except maybe [Rex ] Re: The Smiths, etc. [Rex ] Re: The Smiths, etc. [Miles Goosens ] Re: yes, Miles, except maybe [Miles Goosens ] Robyn Hitchcock Live at The Assembly Rooms on 2001-08-05 on archive.org [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:26:05 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: RIP Pete Quaife I had a look at the Dave Davies trailer - doesn't he look like Ray nowadays? But when I tried to view 'Big Sky' I got an unwelcome message: "This video contains content from UMG. It is no longer available in your country". Any idea who they might be? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Margrave Subject: Re: RIP Pete Quaife Mike Godwin wrote: > But when I tried to view 'Big Sky' I got an unwelcome message: > "This video contains content from UMG. It is no longer > available in your country". > > Any idea who they might be? Universal Music Group. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:39:12 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Scott >So, >again, I am absolutely not perpetrating so monumental a gaffe as to suggest >that David Bowie and Brian Eno, of all people, would need to steal from a >Walker Brothers album because they had no idea what to do with themselves, >but I can easily see them hearing these really fascinating tracks and being >impressed enough that the sound would inevitably percolate through here and >there, however subliminally, into the tracks they were recording >themselves. Both have been known to be derivative separately, especially in their early days - notably of the Velvets. Bowie's Lou Reed-like early tracks are well documented, and "Taking Tiger Mountain" played back to back with "Lisa says" reveals some interesting similarities. Whether they would deliberately say "let's do something similar to that", I doubtr, but letting Scott Walker's sounds influence their subconsciouses, that is a distinct possibility. BTW - while you've all been rediscovering The Smiths and Scott Walker, I've been indulging myself with hearing the first two Undertones albums in their entirety for the first time. Brilliant two-minute punky pop! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Re: I loved this I think I meant to send this to the Kinks list, and was so discombobulated that I sent it to the feglist instead. Jeremy made me aware that I had goofed. > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jill Brand wrote: >> "I wanted to add this. Pete Quaife in Melody Maker magazine "we just let >> the whole flower power, LSD, love thing flow over (our) head......It >> changed a lot of good blokes, who everybody rated, into creeps....You >> still can't beat going to the pictures, a couple of pints and a fag >> (cigarette). The Kinks all agree that Sunday dinner is the greatest >> realization of heaven" 1967" >> >> I already forgot who wrote this in the last digest, but I want to say that this captures it all. Thanks for this. >> >> Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: yes, Miles, except maybe Miles wrote: "Best rock consecutive album sequence: FACE TO FACE -> SOMETHING ELSE - - -> VGPS -> ARTHUR -> LOLA VS POWERMAN & THE MONEY-GO-ROUND -> MUSWELL HILLBILLIES. And there's a boatload of ace b-sides, EPs, and the PERCY soundtrack from that period too." I think I have to put Kink Kontroversy at the very beginning of that sequence because of Ring the Bells, Till the End of the Day, The World Keeps Going Round, and Where Have All the Good Times Gone. And I'm partial to I'm on an Island because Dave dragged me on stage to sing it with him back in, oh, maybe 1999. It was such a successful move on his part that he continued doing that at other shows but I was the first. I pinky swear. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:47:48 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: I loved this On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > I think I meant to send this to the Kinks list, and was so discombobulated > that I sent it to the feglist instead. Jeremy made me aware that I had > goofed. > > > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > >> "I wanted to add this. Pete Quaife in Melody Maker magazine "we just > let > >> the whole flower power, LSD, love thing flow over (our) head......It > >> changed a lot of good blokes, who everybody rated, into creeps....You > >> still can't beat going to the pictures, a couple of pints and a fag > >> (cigarette). The Kinks all agree that Sunday dinner is the greatest > >> realization of heaven" 1967" > >> > >> I already forgot who wrote this in the last digest, but I want to say > that this captures it all. Thanks for this. > >> > >> Jill > Not a problem at all. Fegs have felt it as much as anybody. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:34:56 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: The Smiths, etc. I haven't listened to The Smiths much at all before. I first heard The Queen is Dead a year or two ago, and like the title track. I've never heard this album before. They're not indelibly tied to a place or a time or a person for me. I can hear their influence in other music I like - the backing track on The Hand That Rocks the Cradle sounds like it's straight out of a Chills song. I realize that Microdisney tried really hard to sound like The Smiths. I don't care for Morissey's style of singing. Not his voice, but but the way he ignores the meter. It doesn't sound like he and the band are on the same page, like it's a poem set to music that was written separately, rather than a song. I realize that's a feature rather than a bug, but it's not to my liking. I'm not complaining - I've had a Smiths-shaped hole in my discography for a while and am glad for the chance to hear it. Terrence Marks (and what are the rules for albums for this thing? Are compilations ok, or full albums only?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:06:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: All Hail The Ebster > Best rock consecutive album sequence: FACE TO FACE -> SOMETHING ELSE > -> VGPS -> ARTHUR -> LOLA VS POWERMAN & THE MONEY-GO-ROUND -> MUSWELL > HILLBILLIES. Yes. "Kinks Kronikles" is a pretty good roundup of the stray stuff from that period. Kontoversy can be added to the front of that sequence as well; Eddie will certainly recognize the sleeve art as the template for a certain Sleater-Kinney record. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:12:54 -0700 From: Rex Subject: re: The Smiths On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM, ross wrote: > Something started to annoy me after a few songs. Morrissey uses the same > trick over and over again -- leaving the melody unresolved at the end of a > line. And he crams words into a line willy-nilly as if he had no idea of meter and/or sticks a bunch of oho oho ohs onto the end of a line if he runs out of words too early. I honestly think he's a crap melody writer. Ugh, but I'm supposed to be reserving my opinions until I listen to the record. Okay. Deep breath.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:16:18 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yes, Miles, except maybe On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Miles wrote: > "Best rock consecutive album sequence: FACE TO FACE -> SOMETHING ELSE > - -> VGPS -> ARTHUR -> LOLA VS POWERMAN & THE MONEY-GO-ROUND -> MUSWELL > HILLBILLIES. And there's a boatload of ace b-sides, EPs, and the > PERCY soundtrack from that period too." > > I think I have to put Kink Kontroversy at the very beginning of that > sequence because of Ring the Bells, Till the End of the Day, The World Keeps > Going Round, and Where Have All the Good Times Gone. Okay, I ammend my "I might add Kontroversy to that list" to "damned well add Kontroversy to that list and pronto"! I sometimes move tracks around mentally between Kontroversy and Face to Face because I had them as a Japanese twofer for many many years... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:22:54 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Smiths, etc. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Terrence Marks wrote: > > I don't care for Morissey's style of singing. Not his voice, but but > the way he ignores the meter. It doesn't sound like he and the band > are on the same page, like it's a poem set to music that was written > separately, rather than a song. I realize that's a feature rather > than a bug, but it's not to my liking. > Ah, thanks... that's a much more eloquent expression of my chief hurdle in enjoying the Smiths forever, and I'm glad to hear someone else express it. When you couple that tendency with the really navel-gazing and self-obsessed nature of the lyrics, it simply gives me the desire to tell the guy he's just not as awesome as he thinks he is and he shouldn't take having a decent backing band for granted so much. He has a singular worldview, for sure, but it happens to be one which I relate to in absolutely no way at all. But one must recall that what I liked in those days as lyrics and vocal stylings was mostly either incomprehensible mumbling or Lou and his numerous deriviatives, so take that as your baseline. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:19:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The Smiths, etc. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Rex wrote: > Ah, thanks... that's a much more eloquent expression of my chief hurdle in > enjoying the Smiths forever, and I'm glad to hear someone else express it. > When you couple that tendency with the really navel-gazing and > self-obsessed nature of the lyrics, it simply gives me the desire to tell > the guy he's just not as awesome as he thinks he is and he shouldn't take > having a decent backing band for granted so much. > > He has a singular worldview, for sure, but it happens to be one which I > relate to in absolutely no way at all. And this is always where I say that the navel gazing pretty much ends with MEAT IS MURDER, and Morrissey develops a full-blown sense of humor (not that one wasn't present with the puns and wordplay of the first two albums, but yeah, even those features are in the service of Meaningfulness back then) and a self-depreciating one at that, which is part of what makes THE QUEEN IS DEAD, LOUDER THAN BOMBS, VIVA HATE, and BONA DRAG so incredibly appealing to me. "The Queen Is Dead" and "Bigmouth Strikes Again" alone ought to give the lie to the whole "Morrissey is always mopey and serious and has no sense of humo(u)r" caricature. This may be one of these things that you just won't overcome, but THE SMITHS isn't the album that would likely accomplish that for you. later, Miles, just back from a spectacular New Pornographers show - -- over a year of feeling guilty about not blogging enough! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:24:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: yes, Miles, except maybe On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Rex wrote: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > >> Miles wrote: >> "Best rock consecutive album sequence: FACE TO FACE -> SOMETHING ELSE >> - -> VGPS -> ARTHUR -> LOLA VS POWERMAN & THE MONEY-GO-ROUND -> MUSWELL >> HILLBILLIES. And there's a boatload of ace b-sides, EPs, and the >> PERCY soundtrack from that period too." >> >> I think I have to put Kink Kontroversy at the very beginning of that >> sequence because of Ring the Bells, Till the End of the Day, The World Keeps >> Going Round, and Where Have All the Good Times Gone. > > > Okay, I ammend my "I might add Kontroversy to that list" to "damned well add > Kontroversy to that list and pronto"! I sometimes move tracks around > mentally between Kontroversy and Face to Face because I had them as a > Japanese twofer for many many years... All of the songs Jill names are great ones, and essential ones to understanding Ray's mindset ("I'm On an Island" especially, and what a thrill it must have been to get to sing it with The Man Himself), but the ones she doesn't aren't, at least to me. So to me KONTROVERSY is the transition (along with the EPs of that era) between the usual singles/filler mix that you'll find on any early British Invasion band (yup, even Beatles and Stones albums), and the album-based world they and others all helped bring into being over the next few years. So I can't add it on the front end of my sequence. Doesn't measure up. later, Miles - -- over a year of feeling guilty about not blogging enough! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:35:03 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Robyn Hitchcock Live at The Assembly Rooms on 2001-08-05 on archive.org http://www.archive.org/details/Robyn_Hitchcock2001-08-05.aud.flac24 Robyn Hitchcock The Assembly Rooms, Edinburgh 2001-08-05 AUD AUD > lapel mic > Sharp MD-SR50 MD (mono mode) MD-SR60 > Marantz PMD-620 > Audacity > FLAC (analogue connection from MD to PMD-620) Note: recording is *MONO*, and is 24-bit FLAC. Partial set - had to leave to catch last train home ... but this was the last night of a great three gig series, and Robyn was on top form. Setlist: 1 talk: "he went elsewhere" 2 Mexican God 3 talk: "meat ... meat ..." 4 The Devil's Coachman 5 talk: "when you die" (*** truncated) 6 When I Was Dead (*** mostly) 7 Raining Twilight Coast 8 talk: "god came along, and the mars bar was ashamed" 9 1974 10 talk: "pumpkin A and pumpkin A" 11 Chinese Bones 12 talk: "frank recorded this" 13 My Wife And My Dead Wife 14 talk: "intro to your feelings are the last thing to die" 15 Your Feelings Are the Last Thing To Die 16 She Doesn't Exist Any More 17 talk: "special strings made for him by a halibut" 18 I Feel Beautiful 19 talk: "madonner of the bees" 20 Madonna Of The Wasps 21 talk: "see how much of it I can remember" 22 La Cheriti No encore recorded, though one was likely played. Tracks marked '***' have MD dropouts from faulty Maxell XL-II 74 MD. Audience recording by Stewart C. Russell, http://scruss.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #125 ********************************