From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #38 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 22 2010 Volume 18 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan [djini@voicenet.] Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Silence and Darkness [lep ] Caprica (0% RH) [lep ] Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan [kevin studyvin ] Re: quirks [kevin studyvin ] Re: Caprica (0% RH) [kevin studyvin ] Re: Caprica (0% RH) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Silence and Darkness [Jeremy Osner ] quirk? ["John B. Jones" ] Re: Caprica (0% RH) [Sumiko Keay ] Re: quirk? [kevin studyvin ] Re: Caprica (0% RH) [2fs ] Re: Tangled [Michael Sweeney ] Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan [Michael Sweeney] Re:Randall's quirk [James Dignan ] Re: "is he live or dead"? [James Dignan ] Re: "is he live or dead"? [michael wells ] Re: Randall's quirk [2fs ] Re: "is he live or dead"? [2fs ] Akihabara Majokko Princess [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Akihabara Majokko Princess [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan tc wrote: > > Similarly I never listen to the artist I'm going to see during the ride to the venue. I didn't realize that I had this quirk until I started riding to shows with people who do that, and had a nails-on-the blackboard reaction. > - - I always watch the movie credits until the end Me too! I blame Ferris Bueller. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:05:55 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan tc wrote: > > Similarly I never listen to the artist I'm going to see during the ride to the venue. (Sits and thinks for a moment, then:) Oh, I see what you mean. Initially I read that turned around, as meaning "I never listen to the artist whom I had been planning to see while I was going to the concert" and was trying to come up with plausible scenarios for that not only to happen, but to be a binding element in your life. J ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:07:31 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan (I almost always, if it is up to me, play the artist I will be hearing live through the stereo while I'm on my way to realize my plans.) On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > tc wrote: >> >> Similarly I never listen to the artist I'm going to see during the ride to the venue. > > (Sits and thinks for a moment, then:) Oh, I see what you mean. > Initially I read that turned around, as meaning "I never listen to the > artist whom I had been planning to see while I was going to the > concert" and was trying to come up with plausible scenarios for that > not only to happen, but to be a binding element in your life. > > J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:45:21 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan I never listen to the artist on the way to the venue. I will, however, listen to that artist on the way home, especially if the show is part of a road trip and I have a long drive back. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:20:21 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan John B. Jones says: > I never listen to the artist on the way to the venue. I will, however, > listen to that artist on the way home, especially if the show is part of a > road trip and I have a long drive back. i almost always listen to the artist the artist both ways of the trip (which is usually a not-very-long-drive into philadelphia.) on the way in is to get psyched up, on the way out to remember the feeling of the show**. i'm curious now as to whether there's fegs with no opinion on this "quirk". ** exception i can recall is on the way out of one of the badly drawn boy shows. it lasted so long that ty and i left early (after like 3.5 hours on a school night - BDB kept announcing how far through the show he was, and it hadn't yet hit 75%); to this day we joke that it's actually *still* going on. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:25:08 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: quirks michael wells says: > or don a Skynard tube top (presuming you can...support > such an endeavor). did you make that up? either way, it's wretchedly perfect that such a thing would exist. or not exist as may be the case. they should have (should? didn't they reform in some manner?) make bandanna skynyrd shirts as well. xoor - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:33:13 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Silence and Darkness Jeremy says: > Have any of you Herzog-lovers (thinking here of Lep though possibly > not of Sebastian) seen "Land des Scheigens und der Dunkelheit"? It > might be even more gripping than Stroszek. I posted a clip of it here: > http://readin.com/blog/?id=2152 and am thinking about writing > something a little later about how I reacted to the chain of > conversation among and between the deaf and blind characters, i haven't seen it. as much as i love herzog, it's more of a conceptual love, which means i watch "grizzly man" at least 3 times a year, and have seen a few, but haven't seen some of his more "important" movies. oh, except they finally started putting the one where he eats his shoe on this here world wide web. i'd been dying to see it since i read about about after seen errol morris' "fast, cheap, and out of control" in the theatre. part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-414413418960249102# part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-414413418960249102#docid=5128598889708306325 (bonus for jeremy: subtitled in spanish.) i'll take a look at the clip of "Land des Scheigens und der Dunkelheit" on your blog and look forward to any comments you have on it. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:50:36 -0500 From: lep Subject: Caprica (0% RH) ** no spoilers ** Since I believe everything jacob from TWoP says (he has an english degree!), i thought i'd post this positive news/opinion from his review of this week's "Caprica": "Okay, there was a lot of gloom and doom coming the past few weeks, but SyFy is saying that the timeshifted totals are outperforming their expectations -- and with a few more episodes this brilliant, I'm fairly certain they'll have the critical support anyway." Link to Jacob's reviews: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/caprica/recaps.php Also, he included a link to bear mccreary's, who did the music for BSG, and now for "caprica". The music for both shows was extremely well-done, but I've really noticed how well the music works for "caprica". Here's mr. mccreary's blog section for "caprica". it's very detailed and interesting but IT CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?cat=14 xo P.S. is anyone watching "caprica" except me, sebastian, and my friend casey? - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:10:51 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan > i almost always listen to the artist the artist both ways of the trip > (which is usually a not-very-long-drive into philadelphia.) on the > way in is to get psyched up, on the way out to remember the feeling of > the show**. > > i'm curious now as to whether there's fegs with no opinion on this "quirk". > Same here, pretty much. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:13:27 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: quirks > > > or don a Skynard tube top (presuming you can...support > > such an endeavor). > > did you make that up? either way, it's wretchedly perfect that such a > thing would exist. or not exist as may be the case. they should have > (should? didn't they reform in some manner?) make bandanna skynyrd > shirts as well. > Never seen one personally but I'd lay money such a thing exists. I mean, c'mon. (Still mentally replaying the awe-inspiring "Freebird" finale of the Conan show) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:39:23 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Caprica (0% RH) > xo > > P.S. is anyone watching "caprica" except me, sebastian, and my friend > casey? > They've been piling up on the dvr and I finally caught the pilot this PM, with more to follow. It definitely looks like excellent TV entertainment (though the cyber-goggles are a little too reminiscent of the awful Wild Palms). Unfortunately the philosophical debate going on in the subtext strikes me as so adolescent that it's just a little bit annoying. I generally regard the Kurzweil-ians who believe that a human person can be "uploaded" into a digital environment as somewhere between naive and flat-out insane, so when I see ostensibly intelligent characters falling into a categorical error the size of the Grand Canyon, i.e. failling to properly distinguish between a person and a replica of a person, it's kind of a bump in the road, story-wise. Just sayin'. Still looks like lots of fun, anyway. The cinematography, or whatever you call it on TV, is superb. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:24:24 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Caprica (0% RH) - -- kevin studyvin is rumored to have mumbled on 21. Februar 2010 02:39:23 -0800 regarding Re: Caprica (0% RH): > I generally regard the Kurzweil-ians who believe that a human > person can be "uploaded" into a digital environment as somewhere between > naive and flat-out insane, so when I see ostensibly intelligent characters > falling into a categorical error the size of the Grand Canyon, i.e. > failling to properly distinguish between a person and a replica of a > person, it's kind of a bump in the road, story-wise. But it's fiction! For me all that matters is that in *that* universe it *is* possible to create virtual replicas of persons. I don't really think much about subtext. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:21:02 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Silence and Darkness I wrote a bit more about watching the movie here: http://readin.com/blog/?id=2153 Also, a worthwhile review of it: http://parallax-view.org/2009/08/31/land-of-silence-and-darkness-what-it-means-to-be-human/ J On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:33 AM, lep wrote: > Jeremy says: >> Have any of you Herzog-lovers (thinking here of Lep though possibly >> not of Sebastian) seen "Land des Scheigens und der Dunkelheit"? It >> might be even more gripping than Stroszek. I posted a clip of it here: >> http://readin.com/blog/?id=2152 and am thinking about writing >> something a little later about how I reacted to the chain of >> conversation among and between the deaf and blind characters, > > i haven't seen it. as much as i love herzog, it's more of a > conceptual love, which means i watch "grizzly man" at least 3 times a > year, and have seen a few, but haven't seen some of his more > "important" movies. oh, except they finally started putting the one > where he eats his shoe on this here world wide web. i'd been dying to > see it since i read about about after seen errol morris' "fast, cheap, > and out of control" in the theatre. > > part 1: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-414413418960249102# > > part 2: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-414413418960249102#docid=5128598889708306325 > > (bonus for jeremy: subtitled in spanish.) > > i'll take a look at the clip of "Land des Scheigens und der > Dunkelheit" on your blog and look forward to any comments you have on > it. > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:30:19 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: quirk? I don't know if this is a quirk per se, more just a by-product of how disposable the cd-r is. I like leaving mix cd-r's in rental cars and vacation rentals. This stems from staying at a house where someone had left a cd-r behind. it was labelled "SICK" with a sharpie. Lo and behold, it was a whole hour of songs about sickness and being sick (although there were some variations to this, such as "Bad Case Of Loving You"). My wife and i had a good time who this person was and why he/she would make something to take on a trip. That cd-r became a part of OUR trip. we took that mix cd in the car and had fun not only listening to it (playing "name that tune"), but also guessing who the songs were by. we had to look up some of them. Here's what reminded me of this: we're staying in bend oregon for a couple of nights and I found a cd-r in the boombox here. Unfortunately it wasn't labelled, and when i tried to play it, turns out it is blank. But ever since "sick" i enjoy the notion of optical drive slots that i don't own being some sort of secret mailbox where i pass musical enigma to unsuspecting strangers. jbj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:47:20 -0600 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Re: Caprica (0% RH) I've been watching Caprica and trying to not pay attention to gloom and doom ratings talk because I feel like they are just getting going and have so much coming down the pike. Zoe and Tamera in virtual world - and how or if they were somehow the foundation of Cylon culture. The crazy monotheists with their singular god and their group marriage. . . btw, didn't that bed seem too small for the no. of people? Good thing they don't also have pets. The Adamas and the Graystones. (I just listened to a recent Galactica Watercooler podcast where one of the pcasters mentioned how interesting it is that you start off thinking that the Graystones are going to be the people to hate and that the Adamas are who you are rooting for and then your sympathies shift. Which is true - but not completely true.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:46:49 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: quirk? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:30 AM, John B. Jones wrote: > I don't know if this is a quirk per se, more just a by-product of how > disposable the cd-r is. > > I like leaving mix cd-r's in rental cars and vacation rentals. > > This stems from staying at a house where someone had left a cd-r behind. it > was labelled "SICK" with a sharpie. Lo and behold, it was a whole hour of > songs about sickness and being sick (although there were some variations to > this, such as "Bad Case Of Loving You"). My wife and i had a good time who > this person was and why he/she would make something to take on a trip. That > cd-r became a part of OUR trip. we took that mix cd in the car and had fun > not only listening to it (playing "name that tune"), but also guessing who > the songs were by. we had to look up some of them. > > Here's what reminded me of this: we're staying in bend oregon for a couple > of nights and I found a cd-r in the boombox here. Unfortunately it wasn't > labelled, and when i tried to play it, turns out it is blank. But ever > since > "sick" i enjoy the notion of optical drive slots that i don't own being > some > sort of secret mailbox where i pass musical enigma to unsuspecting > strangers. > > jbj > Now that's a great cultural virus to be spreading. Carry on. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:13:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Caprica (0% RH) On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- kevin studyvin is rumored to have mumbled on 21. > Februar 2010 02:39:23 -0800 regarding Re: Caprica (0% RH): > > > I generally regard the Kurzweil-ians who believe that a human >> person can be "uploaded" into a digital environment as somewhere between >> naive and flat-out insane, so when I see ostensibly intelligent characters >> falling into a categorical error the size of the Grand Canyon, i.e. >> failling to properly distinguish between a person and a replica of a >> person, it's kind of a bump in the road, story-wise. >> > > But it's fiction! For me all that matters is that in *that* universe it > *is* possible to create virtual replicas of persons. I don't really think > much about subtext. > I've only seen the pilot (and will only have seen the pilot until the DVD release - remember, neither terrestrial nor cable TV in this house), but generally: There are some fictional premises that can be readily accepted, even if in our world they're technologically impossible...but there are also fictional premises that are much harder to accept, because they're more like logically impossible. I think if the whole "uploading" thing weren't such a well-worn SF trope, and therefore I had to actually think about it, it might well fall into that category - like a universe in which 1+1=3 or something. The main problem I have with various resurrectionary schemes (Kurzweilian uploading, reanimating frozen brains, etc.) isn't so much technological as practical and philosophical: it's not like there's a shortage of people in the world, and assuming some future date at which such resurrections are technologically possible, there's still a host of questions: who are these people, legally? The persons they were are dead: are they their own heirs? And what of their current/former heirs, if they're still alive? And if it's sufficiently far in the future from their own time, the psychological and social disorientation would be, I suggest, insurmountable. (Obviously this has nothing to do - except accidentally - with Caprica, since I haven't seen it...but is more of a general discussion...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:45:06 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Tangled Jeremy Osner wrote: >She was working in a topless place when I stopped in for a top >I said I was missing half of my face >She said, you came to the wrong shop. Someone's got it in for me They're pressing stories at the plant! Michael "Z-Bobby" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:54:29 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: hi. my name is lauren, and i'm a robyn hitchcock fan The oh-so-charming and delightful (and now engaged) Viv wrote: >Lauren, I really like this thread. Maybe it's because it allows one to talk about oneself shamelessly. But really, I think it's because it's made Michael Sweeney into some sort of a charmingly neurotic literary character. In my head, that is.< Well...Thank you! (was gonna add "...I think," but ddn't want to sound snarky at all, since, indeed, this is the nicest thing anyone has uttered about me in several days...AND, actually, it's pretty damned near how I consider myself...in my own head...) Michael "J. Alfred Prufrock" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:17:17 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:Randall's quirk >But I have to mention this since it's been festering in my mind since this >thread first popped up- > >When people, particularly newscasters, use the word >"plucked" when describing a mountain or water rescue. >I really can't express >how much this actually angers me. > I suspect that it angers you about as much as it does ne when I hear that someone is severely "ill" (sic) after an accident. What - did they catch hepatitis in the ambulance on the way to the hospital or something? The word is INJURED, news media! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:18:51 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: "is he live or dead"? >Ozzy Osbourne needs to know: so is Gordon Lightfoot alive, dead, or hanging >out with Schrodinger's cat waiting for someone to open the box, open the >box, open the goddam box? > >(And now I'm wondering if there are any other feg posts including Black >Sabbath, Gordon Lightfoot, The Fall, and quantum physics - you'd think >there'd be reams of 'em, but you never just know.) That question has a strange attraction for me, given that it's so wonderful and frightening. And with my never say die attitude I'm sure I'll come up with some such combination by sundown. James PS - congtrats Viv - even though you have broken a hundred hearts on this list! - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:32:53 -0600 From: michael wells Subject: Re: "is he live or dead"? On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:18 PM, James Dignan wrote: > Ozzy Osbourne needs to know: so is Gordon Lightfoot alive, dead, or > hanging > out with Schrodinger's cat waiting for someone to open the box, open > the > box, open the goddam box? > You could bring a case that Lightfoot has been existing as a probability waveform for some time now MW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:06:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Randall's quirk On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Dignan wrote: > >> > I suspect that it angers you about as much as it does ne when I hear that > someone is severely "ill" (sic) after an accident. What - did they catch > hepatitis in the ambulance on the way to the hospital or something? The word > is INJURED, news media! > > Hmm...I don't think I've ever heard this one. Any other US fegs heard this - perhaps this is an NZ-specific locution? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:08:12 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: "is he live or dead"? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:32 PM, michael wells wrote: > On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:18 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > Ozzy Osbourne needs to know: so is Gordon Lightfoot alive, dead, or >> hanging >> out with Schrodinger's cat waiting for someone to open the box, open the >> box, open the goddam box? >> >> > You could bring a case that Lightfoot has been existing as a probability > waveform for some time now. I'll bring a case - can you bring some chips and salsa? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:16:02 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Akihabara Majokko Princess NR, but Kirsten Dunst - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:06:24 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Akihabara Majokko Princess On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > NR, but Kirsten Dunst > > Wow - glorious 64kbps sound. And fanboys the world over caused a serious shortage in the world supply of tissue paper. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #38 *******************************