From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #19 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 29 2010 Volume 18 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- for those who care [Jill Brand ] Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) [2fs ] RE: truth or dare... [Michael Sweeney ] Re: truth or dare... [kevin studyvin ] Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) [Rex ] RE: truth or dare... [Michael Sweeney ] RE: truth or dare... [Michael Sweeney ] Re: truth or dare... [Jeremy Osner ] RE: truth or dare... [Michael Sweeney ] Yep Roc Records > News [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: for those who care I know that there are a few of Montreal fans on the list, so I thought I'd direct you towards this: http://pitchfork.com/news/37707-video-susan-sarandon-and-solange-crash-of-montreal-nyc-show/ Susan Sarandon? Amazing. I saw them last night without the celebrities on stage, and they were still great (no backing tracks - just great oM music; however, Kevin looks silly with a beard). Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:47:38 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, wrote: > http://www.bigissuescotland.com/features/view/213 > > > > By Alex Donohue > > > > Drakeb s post-death acclaim is even fuelled by technology. Typing Nick > Drake into Google returns 2.92 million hits; more than fellow dead > musicians > Ian Curtis (I.5m), Jeff Buckley (2.63m) and Eva Cassidy (1.63m). > Eva who? Am I missing something where there's a cult of Eva Cassidy fans somewhere? Just looked her up on Wikipedia - the writer's choice of her instead of, I dunno, Kurt Cobain or Hank Williams or even Jay Bennett or someone seems utterly arbitrary. How does hits on Google "fuel" posthumous acclaim? I mean, sure, the late Ms. Cassidy's got 130,000 more hits on Google than Ian Curtis. Of course I doubt the writer bothered to check what percentage of that 1.63m were the Eva Cassidy in question - I'm guessing that if a singer named Jack Smith had died, there's be hella hits on that name. In sum, Alex Donohue is a moron. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:48:11 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:47 PM, 2fs wrote: > > In sum, Alex Donohue is a moron. > > Should have written "In sum, Alex 'Gordon' Donohue is a moron." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:28:14 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) 2fs wrote: > > In sum, Alex Donohue is a moron. I think I used to know him. Big Issue writers weren't paid much. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:25:40 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) I believe she has a large following in the U.K., and the article WAS posted to The Big Issue in S c o t l a n d . . . If I remember correctly, the BBC (or something similar) was playing her music (after she died) . . They kept her identity a secret, and when her life (and death) story was finally discovered, she became a best-selling artist there. Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:52:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Am I missing something where there's a cult of Eva Cassidy fans somewhere? Just looked her up on Wikipedia - the writer's choice of her instead of, I dunno, Kurt Cobain or Hank Williams or even Jay Bennett or someone seems utterly arbitrary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:19:48 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > I believe she has a large following in the U.K., > and the article WAS posted to The Big Issue in S c o t l a n d . . . > If I remember correctly, the BBC (or something similar) > was playing her music (after she died) . . > They kept her identity a secret, and when her life (and death) > story was finally discovered, she became a best-selling artist there. > > That makes it make a little more sense, certainly...but nowadays, it's a bit odd, in that any article online is apt to be picked up and read by folks in non-local contexts. And I still say number of Google hits is a poor guide to popularity, simply because there's no way to differentiate the singing "Eva Cassidy" from any other "Eva Cassidy" simply by noting the number of hits. Which brings up an interesting point: often you'll hear of some band or another with a somewhat generic name and problems people having Googling the name (just today, for instance, I was trying to find info on The Information...). And I was thinking, well, years ago people didn't have to worry about that, because anyone looking for info on the band The Information wouldn't look in places where simply the word "information" came up, etc. In other words, information (the concept, not the band!) was organized by rough categories. But why the hell can't Google do this? Why can't it add a search parameter that roughly returns only, say, results that appear to have something to do with music - or sports - or politics - etc.? That would seem like a useful thing... I imagine you'd first have to develop a database of terms that tend to appear if a source is sports-oriented, music-oriented, etc. (and in fact, often that's what I do: my next step would be to search " 'The Information' music band" or something like that), and then some sort of way of ranking the results, such that those sites with the most "music" terms come up higher when someone's filtered their search term for "music." Or maybe some search engine's already done this, and I'm too lame to be aware of it. Regardless: "Gordon is a moron!" - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:52:28 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) Think of the poor Who fan (The band with Pete Townshend, not the WHO a.k.a. World Health Organization) Usually you have to enter "Who Townshend Daltrey" - but at least it doesn't say : Did you mean "Who Townsend Daltry" ? Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner In a message dated 1/28/2010 11:25:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > I believe she has a large following in the U.K., > and the article WAS posted to The Big Issue in S c o t l a n d . . . > If I remember correctly, the BBC (or something similar) > was playing her music (after she died) . . > They kept her identity a secret, and when her life (and death) > story was finally discovered, she became a best-selling artist there. > > That makes it make a little more sense, certainly...but nowadays, it's a bit odd, in that any article online is apt to be picked up and read by folks in non-local contexts. And I still say number of Google hits is a poor guide to popularity, simply because there's no way to differentiate the singing "Eva Cassidy" from any other "Eva Cassidy" simply by noting the number of hits. Which brings up an interesting point: often you'll hear of some band or another with a somewhat generic name and problems people having Googling the name (just today, for instance, I was trying to find info on The Information...). And I was thinking, well, years ago people didn't have to worry about that, because anyone looking for info on the band The Information wouldn't look in places where simply the word "information" came up, etc. In other words, information (the concept, not the band!) was organized by rough categories. But why the hell can't Google do this? Why can't it add a search parameter that roughly returns only, say, results that appear to have something to do with music - or sports - or politics - etc.? That would seem like a useful thing... I imagine you'd first have to develop a database of terms that tend to appear if a source is sports-oriented, music-oriented, etc. (and in fact, often that's what I do: my next step would be to search " 'The Information' music band" or something like that), and then some sort of way of ranking the results, such that those sites with the most "music" terms come up higher when someone's filtered their search term for "music." Or maybe some search engine's already done this, and I'm too lame to be aware of it. Regardless: "Gordon is a moron!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:39:05 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: i thought ferguson jumped the shark but things are looking up tonight ! Bob Dylan Examiner Column _http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner_ (http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:34:12 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: truth or dare... Michael wrote: >PS - of the previous mentions, Joni's "Blue" and "Hejira" AND "Apocalypse Now" >(esp. the "Redux" ver.) are among my all-time faves in their categories; and >screw "Imagine" (as fine as it is) - "John Lennon Plastic Ono Band" is >undeniable, perfect heaven... Oh, I agree - but what I wrote was that "Imagine" was the easiest and best way into Lennon's oeuvre. JLPOB, though magnificent, is likely to scare some people off if it's presented as a first album. Same as I wouldn't recommend "Eye" as a way into RH's music, despite it being a classic. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:53:25 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: truth or dare... James wrote: > Michael wrote: > >PS - of the previous mentions, Joni's "Blue" and "Hejira" AND "Apocalypse Now" > >(esp. the "Redux" ver.) are among my all-time faves in their categories; and > >screw "Imagine" (as fine as it is) - "John Lennon Plastic Ono Band" is > >undeniable, perfect heaven... > > Oh, I agree - but what I wrote was that "Imagine" was the easiest and > best way into Lennon's oeuvre. JLPOB, though magnificent, is likely > to scare some people off if it's presented as a first album. Same as > I wouldn't recommend "Eye" as a way into RH's music, despite it being > a classic. > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand http://www.grutness.co.nz ...Sorry if it seemed like I was rebuking you (and your suggestion) at all; I did not intend to and I don't disagree with your assessment here -- I was mainly just lending my enthusiastic endorsement (for what THAT would be worth; I know: nearly nothing!) for the beloved "JLPOB" (and I'm also with you on "Eye")... ...BTW, I forgot to include my ringing endorsement of Bobby Z's "Blood on the Tracks" (which also got mentioned). There's not a bad track on that, his bitterly delightful "Divorce Album" -- EASILY the peak of the long period between "Blonde on Blonde" and "Time Out of Mind" (although, I DO give enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar")... MLS _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:32:11 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: truth or dare... > (although, I DO give enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 > B-side "The Groom's Still > Waiting at the Altar")... > Word. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:34:07 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Nick Drake tribute article with ROBYN quotes - (Warning- RH content) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:52 PM, wrote: > Think of the poor Who fan > (The band with Pete Townshend, > not the WHO a.k.a. World Health Organization) > > Usually you have to enter "Who Townshend Daltrey" - > but at least it doesn't say : > Did you mean "Who Townsend Daltry" ? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... The The. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:00:07 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: truth or dare... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...BTW, I forgot to include my ringing endorsement of Bobby Z's "Blood on the > Tracks" (which also got mentioned). There's not a bad track on that, his > bitterly delightful "Divorce Album" -- EASILY the peak of the long period > between "Blonde on Blonde" and "Time Out of Mind" (although, I DO give > enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's Still > Waiting at the Altar")... Do you know that there is an alternate mix of BOTT available? The "New York Sessions"-- Dylan recorded the record in NYC, had a final mix, played it for some friends who suggested there were problems with it, rerecorded and -mixed several of the tracks prior to releasing it. The original mix is a nice sound, I think, specifically I think the original "Idiot Wind" is 10 times the song that the one on the record is. Last I checked you could download NY Sessions from this page: http://recessed-filter.blogspot.com/2007/12/bob-dylan-blood-on-tracks-new-york.html Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:27:17 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: truth or dare... Kevin wrote (after my comments): (although, I DO give enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar")... >Word. ...I can still remember WXRT playing that back in '81, and it cutting through the disappointing, previous-few-years-haze of "Slow Train Coming" and "Saved." I ran out and got - and played and played and played - that B-side, transfixed by its unexpected (at that point) power. "Infidels" (after that) was pretty good...and some bits of a few other BD records had their moments...but it took another 16 yrs (until "Time...") until I finally heard me some new Dylan (as opposed to the "new Dylans!") that lived up to THAT 4 minutes of music...("West of the Jordan / East of the Rock of Gibraltar!") MLS _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:46:52 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: truth or dare... Jeremy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Michael Sweeney > wrote: > > ...BTW, I forgot to include my ringing endorsement of Bobby Z's "Blood on the > > Tracks" (which also got mentioned). There's not a bad track on that, his > > bitterly delightful "Divorce Album" -- EASILY the peak of the long period > > between "Blonde on Blonde" and "Time Out of Mind" (although, I DO give > > enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's Still > > Waiting at the Altar")... > > Do you know that there is an alternate mix of BOTT available? The "New > York Sessions"-- Dylan recorded the record in NYC, had a final mix, > played it for some friends who suggested there were problems with it, > rerecorded and -mixed several of the tracks prior to releasing it. The > original mix is a nice sound, I think, specifically I think the > original "Idiot Wind" is 10 times the song that the one on the record > is. Last I checked you could download NY Sessions from this page: > http://recessed-filter.blogspot.com/2007/12/bob-dylan-blood-on-tracks-new-yor k.html Interesting (although - whoa! - I think the BOTT vers. of "Idiot Wind" is pretty damned great! (in fact, I think that song's ultra-cold "Someone's got it in for me / They're planting stories in the press!" is one of my top 3 song opens of all time)) -- I DID know there was disappointment with a near-completed version and that his brother lined up a rag-tag band of mainly unknowns that quickly recorded the final versions of many of the songs... Sadly, my most Dylan-obsessive period pre-dates The Bootleg Series, so...I'm STILL a bit behind the curve on some of that later-finally-released stuff. I will check out that link -- thanks! Michael "Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick / But when they will I can only guess" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:57:23 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: truth or dare... My feelings about BOTT are: I like it but consider it second-tier Dylan; I never really appreciated "Idiot Wind" until I heard the NYC version and I find "Tangled up in Blue"...a little annoying. It dominates the record completely and is not as good a song as many of the other tracks. "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go" is of course one of the all-time great songs, and most of the tracks on Side 2 are great too. J On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeremy wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Michael Sweeney >> wrote: >> > ...BTW, I forgot to include my ringing endorsement of Bobby Z's "Blood >> > on the >> > Tracks" (which also got mentioned). There's not a bad track on that, >> > his >> > bitterly delightful "Divorce Album" -- EASILY the peak of the long >> > period >> > between "Blonde on Blonde" and "Time Out of Mind" (although, I DO give >> > enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's >> > Still >> > Waiting at the Altar")... >> >> Do you know that there is an alternate mix of BOTT available? The "New >> York Sessions"-- Dylan recorded the record in NYC, had a final mix, >> played it for some friends who suggested there were problems with it, >> rerecorded and -mixed several of the tracks prior to releasing it. The >> original mix is a nice sound, I think, specifically I think the >> original "Idiot Wind" is 10 times the song that the one on the record >> is. Last I checked you could download NY Sessions from this page: >> >> http://recessed-filter.blogspot.com/2007/12/bob-dylan-blood-on-tracks-new-york.html > > Interesting (although - whoa! - I think the BOTT vers. of "Idiot Wind" is > pretty damned great! (in fact, I think that song's ultra-cold "Someone's got > it in for me / They're planting stories in the press!" is one of my top 3 > song opens of all time)) -- I DID know there was disappointment with a > near-completed version and that his brother lined up a rag-tag band of > mainly unknowns that quickly recorded the final versions of many of the > songs... > > Sadly, my most Dylan-obsessive period pre-dates The Bootleg Series, so...I'm > STILL a bit behind the curve on some of that later-finally-released stuff. > I will check out that link -- thanks! > > Michael "Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick / But when they will I > can only guess" Sweeney > > > > ________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:12:30 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: truth or dare... Damn...that link (for the "NYC" vers.) must be expired now. I got to the site offering it, but hitting the "download" button returned the msg. "The file link that you requested is not valid." > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:57:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: truth or dare... > From: anacreon@gmail.com > To: m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com > CC: grutness@slingshot.co.nz; fegmaniax@smoe.org > > My feelings about BOTT are: I like it but consider it second-tier > Dylan; I never really appreciated "Idiot Wind" until I heard the NYC > version and I find "Tangled up in Blue"...a little annoying. It > dominates the record completely and is not as good a song as many of > the other tracks. "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go" is of > course one of the all-time great songs, and most of the tracks on Side > 2 are great too. > > J > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Michael Sweeney > wrote: > > Jeremy wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Michael Sweeney > >> wrote: > >> > ...BTW, I forgot to include my ringing endorsement of Bobby Z's "Blood > >> > on the > >> > Tracks" (which also got mentioned). There's not a bad track on that, > >> > his > >> > bitterly delightful "Divorce Album" -- EASILY the peak of the long > >> > period > >> > between "Blonde on Blonde" and "Time Out of Mind" (although, I DO give > >> > enormous credit to "merely" the oh-so-glorious '81 B-side "The Groom's > >> > Still > >> > Waiting at the Altar")... > >> > >> Do you know that there is an alternate mix of BOTT available? The "New > >> York Sessions"-- Dylan recorded the record in NYC, had a final mix, > >> played it for some friends who suggested there were problems with it, > >> rerecorded and -mixed several of the tracks prior to releasing it. The > >> original mix is a nice sound, I think, specifically I think the > >> original "Idiot Wind" is 10 times the song that the one on the record > >> is. Last I checked you could download NY Sessions from this page: > >> > >> http://recessed-filter.blogspot.com/2007/12/bob-dylan-blood-on-tracks-new-yor k.html > > > > Interesting (although - whoa! - I think the BOTT vers. of "Idiot Wind" is > > pretty damned great! (in fact, I think that song's ultra-cold "Someone's got > > it in for me / They're planting stories in the press!" is one of my top 3 > > song opens of all time)) -- I DID know there was disappointment with a > > near-completed version and that his brother lined up a rag-tag band of > > mainly unknowns that quickly recorded the final versions of many of the > > songs... > > > > Sadly, my most Dylan-obsessive period pre-dates The Bootleg Series, so...I'm > > STILL a bit behind the curve on some of that later-finally-released stuff. > > I will check out that link -- thanks! > > > > Michael "Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick / But when they will I > > can only guess" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:01:02 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Yep Roc Records > News I can't decide whether this shirt is creepy or cool... http://www.yeproc.com/news.php?articleId=6492 - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #19 *******************************