From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #5 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 11 2010 Volume 18 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- where to start w/ apples in stereo? [Luther Wills-Dudich ] Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: almost REAP [Rex ] Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? [kevin studyvin ] Re: John Cale vs. The Creatures ["Jeff B" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V18 #2 [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Martinverse [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Martinverse [djini@voicenet.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Wills-Dudich Subject: where to start w/ apples in stereo? Everyone- Ok, I am -way- behind on this, I know. I am finally willing to check for myself why everyone (you guys :)) said such great things about the Apples in Stereo. So, where should I begin with them? - -Luther Wills-Dudich PS- I got the New Pornographers as someone suggested a few months ago (pretty good) and We Were Promised Jetpacks, which didn't really grab me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:03:12 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? There are some that would start with Apples In Mono (sorry - someone had to say it) Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner In a message dated 1/9/2010 1:01:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lwillsdudich@yahoo.com writes: Everyone- Ok, I am -way- behind on this, I know. I am finally willing to check for myself why everyone (you guys :)) said such great things about the Apples in Stereo. So, where should I begin with them? - -Luther Wills-Dudich PS- I got the New Pornographers as someone suggested a few months ago (pretty good) and We Were Promised Jetpacks, which didn't really grab me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:42:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? - -- Luther Wills-Dudich is rumored to have mumbled on 9. Januar 2010 09:48:30 -0800 regarding where to start w/ apples in stereo?: > Everyone- > Ok, I am -way- behind on this, I know. I am finally willing to check for > myself why everyone (you guys :)) said such great things about the Apples > in Stereo. So, where should I begin with them? If you don't mind best-ofs, I'd recommend "#1 Hits Explosion", otherwise "New Magnetic Wonder". - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:32:32 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Kinks Choral Collection On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > We got some Graham Parker on CD that we had only had on vinyl for > years. It's been fun re-discovering Another Gray Area and The Up > Escalator. Yeah! Graham's one of my all time faves. I just picked up a CD of him and The Rumour live in SF, 1979. Rockin! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:46:09 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > There are some that would start with Apples In Mono > (sorry - someone had to say it) but you'd only be getting one side of the story, Harold. ;-) Schneider revels in audio placement and imaging - indeed, that far beyond fidelity - and makes some of the best sounding music around. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:03:45 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> (you guys :)) said such great things about the Apples >> in Stereo. So, where should I begin with them? > > If you don't mind best-ofs, I'd recommend "#1 Hits Explosion", otherwise > "New Magnetic Wonder". #1 Hits Explosion does capture all the fun poppy psych stuff, but my favourite AiS album is 'The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone'. In order, I'd probably recommend: # The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone # Tone Soul Evolution # Her Wallpaper Reverie # Velocity of Sound # New Magnetic Wonder # Fun Trick Noisemaker AiS albums tend to be short. Her Wallpaper Reverie is a tiny concept album. Velocity of Sound is the loudest, purest blurt of fuzz you'll ever hear (and is a fair approximation of the Apples live). All the albums are good - New Magnetic Wonder perhaps suffers from a bit too much experimentation between the pop gems. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:17:23 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > AiS albums tend to be short. Her Wallpaper Reverie is a tiny concept > album. Velocity of Sound is the loudest, purest blurt of fuzz you'll > ever hear (and is a fair approximation of the Apples live). All the > albums are good - New Magnetic Wonder perhaps suffers from a bit too > much experimentation between the pop gems. > > This is handy. I might could go for these guys at last. Musically speaking it's been generations since the E6... erm, whatever it was... was so omnipresent as to bug the hell out of me. Perhaps it's all sorted out now. I've like just about every AiS recording I've ever heard, but recall not being engaged by them in a live setting at all, which perhaps, in the end, makes sense. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:19:08 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: almost REAP On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > http://www.examiner.com/x-11279-Howard-Stern-Examiner~y2010m1d7-Artie-Lange- > attempted-suicide-by-stabbing The words "Howard Stern" and "suicide" look too good together to be true. And they were... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:44:20 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: where to start w/ apples in stereo? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Rex wrote: > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Stewart C. Russell > wrote: > > > > > AiS albums tend to be short. Her Wallpaper Reverie is a tiny concept > > album. Velocity of Sound is the loudest, purest blurt of fuzz you'll > > ever hear I couldn't imagine a better recommendation for a recording. It's on the hold list at the library now. > (and is a fair approximation of the Apples live). All the > > albums are good - New Magnetic Wonder perhaps suffers from a bit too > > much experimentation between the pop gems. > > > > This is handy. I might could go for these guys at last. Musically > speaking it's been generations since the E6... erm, whatever it was... was > so omnipresent as to bug the hell out of me. Perhaps it's all sorted out > now. I've like just about every AiS recording I've ever heard, but recall > not being engaged by them in a live setting at all, which perhaps, in the > end, makes sense. > > -Rex > Nice to see you around, Rex. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:53:35 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: John Cale vs. The Creatures Apparently when you friend Richard Kadrey, you get linked to stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPaikpMT_Y Never heard this performance before. Worth waiting for. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:18:33 -0700 From: "Jeff B" Subject: Re: John Cale vs. The Creatures Great clip. They even hit Celebrity Theatre in Phoenix July 18, 1998 on this tour. Eno/Manzanera contribution to Fear was vastly underrated. Manzo's brain-searing guitarwork inspired many a sonic youth. Fractured my mind. Jeff B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin studyvin" To: "I don't take sugar" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:53 AM Subject: John Cale vs. The Creatures > Apparently when you friend Richard Kadrey, you get linked to stuff like > this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPaikpMT_Y > > > Never heard this performance before. Worth waiting for. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V18 #2 > Sebastian Hagedorn says: >> >> Anyway, in anticipation of the fifth volume, which will hopefully come out >> this year, I read all of them in a row. I noticed some minor things that >> bugged me a little, but that's probably nitpicking. Except for that I still >> love the series. Anybody care to discuss specifics? We've been through Buffy >> so often, I thought it's time for a change :) Plus, HBO has filmed a pilot >> of "A Game Of Thrones" and I'd bet good money that it's going to be picked >> up as a series in March, so it's timely for that reason as well ... >> I have read them all multiple times (After the first read, I tend to go back and follow one character all the way through.) I'm up for some affectionate nitpicking while we wait for GRRM. What's on your radar Sebastian? Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:10:01 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Martinverse - -- djini@voicenet.com is rumored to have mumbled on 7. Januar 2010 15:50:50 - -0500 regarding Re: Martinverse: >> Another thing I noticed is that all of a sudden several characters start >> to use the expression "for half a groat I would ...". It would've been >> perfectly fine if one character, preferably a new one, would say that, >> but when it's all over the place it feels as though it's just an >> expression that GRRM himself fell in love with ... > > Yeah, I think editing this behemoth must be quite the task. That's > something an editor should have cleaned up. I never thought of it that way, but you're probably right. I guess that is what editors are for. >> The final thing I've been thinking about is whether the sex scenes aren't >> awfully male-oriented. True, you could argue that it's always the >> character's perspective we're getting, but then it's a bit conspicuous >> that it's always the men who describe those scenes. IIRC Arianne is the >> only woman who ever really thinks about sex, and then it's far less >> detailed than with some of the men. It's not that I mind personally, >> it's more that I somehow want these books to be perfect and >> unassailable, and that's something that might make them a target from >> certain corners. > > Dany and Cersei are pretty sexual, and the Stark girls are too young to > think about it much. It's a mostly patriarchal world, for better or > worse, but everyone's sexuality is politically significant. It's fairly > clear that the destructive chaos afflicting the world was started by a > rape, after all. Do we know that for certain? You're talking about Lyanna, right? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Martinverse Sebastian wrote: > In "A Feast For Crows" GRRM suddenly changes the chapter rules in that > there are chapters that don't have the narrator's name as title, but > instead his or her role. Mostly these are one-offs, i.e. there is only > (ever?) one chapter told from their perspective. Except for Prologues and > Epilogues that never happened in the previous volumes. Of course he's free > to do what he wants, but I think I would've liked it better if he had stuck > to the established paradigm. "Feast" is where things kind of went off the rails, it's true. He's following far too many characters for linear storytelling, and the decision to cut it into two books, happening more or less simultaneously, was necessary but awkward. I think some of those one-offs may return in later volumes, but some of them are just there to move the story along without trapping him into a plot development for a major character that he hasn't totally worked out yet. > Another thing I noticed is that all of a sudden several characters start to > use the expression "for half a groat I would ...". It would've been > perfectly fine if one character, preferably a new one, would say that, but > when it's all over the place it feels as though it's just an expression > that GRRM himself fell in love with ... Yeah, I think editing this behemoth must be quite the task. That's something an editor should have cleaned up. > The final thing I've been thinking about is whether the sex scenes aren't > awfully male-oriented. True, you could argue that it's always the > character's perspective we're getting, but then it's a bit conspicuous that > it's always the men who describe those scenes. IIRC Arianne is the only > woman who ever really thinks about sex, and then it's far less detailed > than with some of the men. It's not that I mind personally, it's more that > I somehow want these books to be perfect and unassailable, and that's > something that might make them a target from certain corners. Dany and Cersei are pretty sexual, and the Stark girls are too young to think about it much. It's a mostly patriarchal world, for better or worse, but everyone's sexuality is politically significant. It's fairly clear that the destructive chaos afflicting the world was started by a rape, after all. I'm not saying GRRM always gets it right with the female POVs, but at least he's trying. I'm in the minority, but I don't care that much if he ever "finishes" this series. I'd like him to, obviously, but he's written so much about so many of the characters that I feel like I could easily imagine my own endings for most of them. It's a great world and it's already spawned the game and now the HBO series. Jeanne ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #5 ******************************