From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #292 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 16 2009 Volume 17 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hm, maybe I ought to listen to [Jeremy Osner ] The Thistle and the Shamrock ["Laura Golias" ] Political quiz [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: 11/12 [2fs ] Re: Hm, maybe I ought to listen to [2fs ] Re: The Thistle and the Shamrock [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: 11/12 [Capuchin ] Re: 11/12 [2fs ] Who do you know? [David Witzany ] Proudly apolitical post [kevin studyvin ] Re: Proudly apolitical post [2fs ] Re: "White-Line Fever" For The Win! [kevin studyvin ] Even Robyn can't save "Women in Trouble" [Tom Clark ] Re: Even Robyn can't save "Women in Trouble" [2fs ] Re: 11/12 [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Reap [James Dignan ] maths and music [Jill Brand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:42:44 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Hm, maybe I ought to listen to On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM, James Dignan wrote: > Oh and one other thing: does anybody here have a lead sheet for Mexican >> God? >> > > To go with the tinfoil hat, presumably? > > But of course. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:57:43 -0500 From: "Laura Golias" Subject: The Thistle and the Shamrock I'm listening to this show on NPR, and now playing is Polly On The Shore. Not the RH version of course, but still, very cool. The band is called The Oyster Band. (I think, Fiona Richie has quite an accent!) : ) Laura Golias ldgolias1@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:06:56 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Political quiz Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:00:10 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: 11 for 12 http://pewresearch.org/politicalquiz/quiz/index.php * I got 11/12, which I think is quite good for a person on the east side of the Atlantic. I didn't know the name of the Senator who chairs the something or other committee... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:27:14 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 11/12 On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Capuchin wrote: > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, 2fs wrote: > >> I would say that if we're concerned about ignorance, the place to look is >> the institution whose job it primarily is to replace it with knowledge: >> our >> schools. (And secondarily, at the institution whose job it primarily is to >> distribute knowledge about what's going on: journalism). >> > > See, I don't blame either of those. I blame public discourse and a general > disdain for discussion of current events, politics, or indeed any meaningful > thing as impolite or argumentative. Little distinction is made between > informed, consistent, coherent opinion and other kinds and so equal > reverence is given to every viewpoint leaving no means for establishing a > point of view as wrong and bad. So the stuff just isn't discussed out of a > misguided sense of polite inclusiveness leaving us without a culture of open > information-sharing nor the expectation of informed beliefs. > True also...but "informed, consistent, coherent opinion" is unlikely to exist in a vacuum: it takes education to formulate such opinion, and it takes effective media to distribute the information that allows for its formation. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:28:24 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Hm, maybe I ought to listen to On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:21 PM, James Dignan wrote: > Oh and one other thing: does anybody here have a lead sheet for Mexican >> God? >> > > To go with the tinfoil hat, presumably? > > > Where's the link to that virtual rimshot? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:35:43 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The Thistle and the Shamrock - -- Laura Golias is rumored to have mumbled on 15. November 2009 16:57:43 -0500 regarding The Thistle and the Shamrock: > I'm listening to this show on NPR, and now playing is Polly On The Shore. > Not the RH version of course, but still, very cool. The band is called > The Oyster Band. (I think, Fiona Richie has quite an accent!) FWIW, I saw them live around 20 years ago and liked them a lot. Never got any recordings, though. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:35:38 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: 11/12 Jeme wrote: >On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, 2fs wrote: >> I would say that if we're concerned about ignorance, the place to look is >> the institution whose job it primarily is to replace it with knowledge: our >> schools. (And secondarily, at the institution whose job it primarily is to >> distribute knowledge about what's going on: journalism). >See, I don't blame either of those. I blame public discourse and a >general disdain for discussion of current events, politics, or indeed any >meaningful thing as impolite or argumentative. Little distinction is made >between informed, consistent, coherent opinion and other kinds and so >equal reverence is given to every viewpoint leaving no means for >establishing a point of view as wrong and bad. So the stuff just isn't >discussed out of a misguided sense of polite inclusiveness leaving us >without a culture of open information-sharing nor the expectation of >informed beliefs. > >J (12/12) . ...I was definitely gonna (fairly gently) rebut Jeff a bit, but...I think Jeme really summed up alot of what I feel here. Yes, there is some journalistic-political back-scratching and star-fucking going on, but...the MAIN problem is that far too many people -- some of whom even bother to vote - -- have absolutely NO IDEA what is going on...and do not care that they don't know -- in fact, too many of them are vaguely PROUD of their disconnect. Heck, you can -- pick your side -- be turned off by the coverage in / on the NY Times & MSNBC OR the Wall Street Journal & FOX News, but...hell, look around, see what may at least fit your basic desires, read, find out what is happening and try to form even a basically informed opinion about it all! Journalism -- and even teachers / educational systems -- simply can't force info or knowledge down the clenched throats of those too ignorant (or "busy" - -- yeah, like we're ALL not busy with our complicated, day-to-day lives) to be bothered to keep up with things...I truly dismissively HATE those sort of people, no matter whether they're (even vaguely) on my side of the political ledger. (And why do I think that this could well be the rare thing -- beyond RH, of course -- that Mr. Thomas and I would pretty closely agree on...?) MLS _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:43:52 -0600 (CST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 11/12 On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, 2fs wrote: > True also...but "informed, consistent, coherent opinion" is unlikely to > exist in a vacuum: it takes education to formulate such opinion, and it > takes effective media to distribute the information that allows for its > formation. I think there are enough informed, consistent, coherently-thinking folks out in the world to apply the appropriate peer pressure so that public discourse rises to the highest possible level. However, your point about journalist "objectivity" totally stands. J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:57:29 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: 11/12 On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeme wrote: > > >On Sat, 14 Nov 2009, 2fs wrote: > >> I would say that if we're concerned about ignorance, the place to look > is > >> the institution whose job it primarily is to replace it with knowledge: > our > >> schools. (And secondarily, at the institution whose job it primarily is > to > >> distribute knowledge about what's going on: journalism). > > >See, I don't blame either of those. I blame public discourse and a > >general disdain for discussion of current events, politics, or indeed any > >meaningful thing as impolite or argumentative. Little distinction is made > >between informed, consistent, coherent opinion and other kinds and so > >equal reverence is given to every viewpoint leaving no means for > >establishing a point of view as wrong and bad. So the stuff just isn't > >discussed out of a misguided sense of polite inclusiveness leaving us > >without a culture of open information-sharing nor the expectation of > >informed beliefs. > > > >J (12/12) . > > ...I was definitely gonna (fairly gently) rebut Jeff a bit, but...I think > Jeme > really summed up alot of what I feel here. Yes, there is some > journalistic-political back-scratching and star-fucking going on, but...the > MAIN problem is that far too many people -- some of whom even bother to > vote > -- have absolutely NO IDEA what is going on...and do not care that they > don't > know -- in fact, too many of them are vaguely PROUD of their disconnect. > Hmm...See, you're right that many have no idea what's going on*, and don't care, and are proud of it...but I don't know that they're any more the problem than the people who are glued to Fox News and Beck and Limbaugh and the like. Those folks think they know what's going on, think they care and know, and are proud of "knowing"...but what they "know" is utter bullshit. *Passed a car on the road today and was tempted to pull the driver over and interrogate her about her "IMPEACH OBAMA" bumper sticker. "What is impeachment?" "What are the grounds for impeachment?" "What specific things has Obama done that you think meet those grounds?" etc. I'm expecting at least one or two folks here to chime in at this point on that last query - but my guess is they'll be coming from a very different place than this driver was likely to have been coming from. "Impeach" is what we do when we don't like a politician, right? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:17:55 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: Who do you know? - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:05:15 -0600 >From: 2fs >Subject: Re: 11 of 12 > >On the other hand, it's nice to know that only 40% of people know who Glenn Beck is. > Cubs second baseman in the late 60s, yes? Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:31:40 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Proudly apolitical post Oh man...this screenplay pretty much writes itself... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/fashion/15bling.html?_r=1&ref=fashion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:26:32 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Proudly apolitical post On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:31 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Oh man...this screenplay pretty much writes itself... > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/fashion/15bling.html?_r=1&ref=fashion > I think we should encourage insanely rich, vacuous celebrities and wannabes to feed on themselves. Perhaps literally - I mean, it wouldn't do much harm since clearly these folks don't eat much anyway. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:46:24 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: "White-Line Fever" For The Win! On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > URL:http://tinyurl.com/yh3gkb8. > Like Cthul'hu, the Seventies can never die... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:50:07 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Even Robyn can't save "Women in Trouble" http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/movies/13women.html - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:24:53 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Even Robyn can't save "Women in Trouble" On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/movies/13women.html > > I like the last line of that review... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:45:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: hairstyle convergence? It's getting a little weird...not only are they sharing a name, but the hairstyles are getting closer as well... < http://www.muzzleofbees.com/2008/05/03/robyn-robyn/> - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:12:19 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: 11/12 Same with me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrie Galbraith" To: "Singing Policemen" Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:47:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: 11/12 I missed the amount of troops in Afghanistan as well... - - c "The great thing about being a Slayer is kicking ass is comfort food." - - Buffy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:37:35 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Reap Edward Woodward, 79 James :( - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: maths and music James wrote: "If I'm working on a complex mathematical problem I hear it as music." That's funny. I hear it as a headache. Jill ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #292 ********************************