From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #261 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 1 2009 Volume 17 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [Christopher Gross ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [2fs ] that's odd. [lep ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [lep ] Re: Mac help needed [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: that's odd. [lep ] Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) [James Dig] Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested [James Dignan ] Re: that's odd. [2fs ] Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) [2fs <] Re: Mac help needed [kevin studyvin ] band [2fs ] Re: that's odd. [kevin studyvin ] Re: band [2fs ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [kevin studyvin ] Life On Eb's Ass? ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: Mac help needed ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: band [Rex ] Re: Mac help needed [Rex ] Phoenix [FSThomas ] Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested [Miles Goosens ] Re: Mac help needed [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) [Sebas] Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested [Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon Something else occurred to me. On BTVS, especially in the high school seasons, a lot of the story was a metaphor for growing up. Giles is there to represent the good (well, mostly) side of adult authority, along with Joyce. Meanwhile Principal Snyder and the Mayor, and to some extent the Watchers' Council, represent the bad side of adult authority. (And on a related note, there's a continuing theme of Buffy learning and drawing strength from all her friends, male and female, young or old.) I'm not saying that the older-male-mentor thing is *totally* problem-free from a feminist perspective, but Giles is there for more reasons besides being mandated by traditional gender roles. I also think we should avoid falling into a binary feminist-or-not distinction. Joss's imperfections might make him *less* feminist without rendering him *un*feminist. (Sorry if I sound a little too protective of Joss, here.) Still haven't listened to the interview, but I downloaded the mp3 this morning, so that's progress. >> It is interesting that most >> (all?) the handlers in _Dollhouse_ in the first season are male...(or am I >> misremembering?). > > ISTR that whiskey had a female handler - i'm half-remembering a scene > late in the season. i think it was in or around bonsai class, just > before a flashback to alpha's attacking whiskey because of his > fixation on echo. Aside from that handler of Whiskey's, there was also Victor's female handler in A Spy in the House of Love (the episode when Adelle is secretly the client). And Echo beats up a female handler when she sneaks back into the Dollhouse in Needs, but I think that might have been the same person as one of those two. So there are female handlers, but a large majority are male. - --Chris "next I'll start reviewing albums I haven't heard" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:45:00 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: > > > --Chris "next I'll start reviewing albums I haven't heard" the Christer > > > Oh, that's easy - although even easier to review albums that don't exist. For instance: "Carrot Top Sings The Carpenters" - sucks. "I Am Woman" (cover) by Henry Rollins - interesting, but lacks commitment and plausibility "Barry White Sings Sparks' Greatest Hits" - uh, no. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:16:22 -0400 From: lep Subject: that's odd. i was doing a google image search for photographs of neko case (short answer: girl crush), and look what came up on the third page: http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_graham/venus3.jpg for those who wish to repeat the experiment at home, i used google image search for "middle cyclone" and specified medium-sized images. robyn and the boys came up on page 8. this is the link to the page in google images, but i imagine it's not really multi-situation: http://images.google.com/images?imgsz=m&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=middle+cyclone&sa=N&start=126&ndsp=18 xo p.s. ain't she pretty? - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:19:45 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon jeff 2fs says: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: > >> >> >> --Chris "next I'll start reviewing albums I haven't heard" the Christer >> >> >> > Oh, that's easy - although even easier to review albums that don't exist. > For instance: > > "Carrot Top Sings The Carpenters" - sucks. > "I Am Woman" (cover) by Henry Rollins - interesting, but lacks commitment > and plausibility > "Barry White Sings Sparks' Greatest Hits" - uh, no. i'm reminded of when david spade would predict the oscar winners on "weekend update" - he had a little board with the names of the movies in little magnetic strips or something. as he led up his prediction for the winner, he would chuck the losing names from the board, occasionally with the (IMO, perfectly valid) reason "didn't see it." xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:23:25 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Mac help needed On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Jill Brand is rumored to have mumbled on 30. > September 2009 16:37:45 -0400 regarding Mac help needed: > >> Well, it's not necessarily Mac help, but I'm sending this from a >> brand >> new Mac Mini, for which I want to get an external drive. I like >> to buy >> things at Costco, but the reviews for the ones they have (one is a >> Western Digital and the other an Acom Data) were abysmal. We were >> thinking of a 500 G or 1 T unit. Any suggestions? > > Two people with Macs I know have and are happy with Western > Digital's MyBook 1 TB. Either make sure you get a Mac edition, i.e. > the drive is pre-formatted for Macs, or make sure you format it > yourself, so that it uses HFS+ instead of FAT32. > I had, as a backup to my backup, a 500GB MyBook. Then, one day it disappeared from the desktop. I went through the motions of getting it back only to have it start clicking. Yes, as in the old Click of Death we used to get from zip disks. Data, gone I believe. Disk unreadable. Just FYI. - - c Carrie Galbraith 707.477.8607 meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:08 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: that's odd. lep says: > answer: girl crush), and look what came up on the third page: not that it matters, but eighth page that should say (i'm assuming jeff 2fs might not have been able to tell on that one because it's kind of boring.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:37:32 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) >actually, no constraints on what i mean. > >i don't actually know the dire straights much at all - i saw the >heavily-played mid-1980s videos that were on MTV, and i *love* the >song "making movies" (or whatever it's called), but that's about it. >from the bit i've heard of them, they do seem to very recognizable. >maybe it's just knopfler's voice. It's largely the use of national guitar/dobro that makes the sound distinctive. Sadly it sounds like you missed the band's best period, which was around the time of their first album. As with a lot of mega-big stadium bands, the albums worth checking are the ones before they made it huge (cf. REM, Pink Floyd, U2). The self-titled debut album is still on moderately high rotate with me and has some gems like "Water of love" and "Wild west end"; albums like "Brothers in arms" now sound embarrassingly glossily overproduced and reek of the '80s. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:39:22 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested >On Sep 29, 2009, at 11:47 PM, lep wrote: > > > > > > P.S. Yes, I hate people who use the word "gestalt", too. > > As someone whose main fields of university study were perception and cognition, I resemble that remark. James PS - what's your stance on "zeitgeist"? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:15:14 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, lep wrote: > jeff 2fs says: >> "Carrot Top Sings The Carpenters" - sucks. >> "I Am Woman" (cover) by Henry Rollins - interesting, but lacks >> commitment >> and plausibility >> "Barry White Sings Sparks' Greatest Hits" - uh, no. > > i'm reminded of when david spade would predict the oscar winners on > "weekend update" - he had a little board with the names of the movies > in little magnetic strips or something. as he led up his prediction > for the winner, he would chuck the losing names from the board, > occasionally with the (IMO, perfectly valid) reason "didn't see it." Reminds me of films that don't exist - my favorite reference being the scene in the film "In & Out" when Glenn Close is announcing the Oscar nominations for best actor and one of the nominees is Steven Segal for his role in the film "Snowball In Hell." Gotta love it. - - c "The great thing about being a Slayer is kicking ass is comfort food." - - Buffy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:25:17 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: The Greatest Live Band That Ever Was Or Ever Will Be... ...are now touring the western states. not to be missed! . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:35:38 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Mac help needed On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > > I had, as a backup to my backup, a 500GB MyBook. Then, one day it > disappeared from the desktop. I went through the motions of getting > it back only to have it start clicking. Yes, as in the old Click of > Death we used to get from zip disks. Data, gone I believe. Disk > unreadable. You folks are traumatizing Rex, you know. I suspect he's still in mourning for his late drive. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:44:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: that's odd. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:16 PM, lep wrote: > i was doing a google image search for photographs of neko case (short > answer: girl crush), and look what came up on the third [by which she means > "eighth": some crazy math-person thing I'm sure] page: > http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_graham/venus3.jpg > > for those who wish to repeat the experiment at home, i used google > image search for "middle cyclone" and specified medium-sized images. > robyn and the boys came up on page 8. > > this is the link to the page in google images, but i imagine it's not > really multi-situation: > > http://images.google.com/images?imgsz=m&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=middle+cyclone&sa=N&start=126&ndsp=18 > > xo > > p.s. ain't she pretty? > Yes - but NOT AS PRETTY AS BILL RIEFLIN'S LOVELY BLONDE LOCKS! Srsly: why is Mr. Rieflin in the front of that shot, as if the band is Bill Rieflin & the Venus 3? Curious. Anycow: for some reason, whenever I'm asked (like in Facebook quizzes and similarly useful & intelligent peaks of Western civilization) which celebrities I have a crush on/am allowed a free pass to sleep with/would shoot Jodie Foster to impress/etc., I always forget. So for the convenience of everyone who cares, please begin a list: 1) Neko Case. Thank you for your diligent maintenance of such essential public record-keeping. As others occur to me, which they do, I shall try to mention them in this forum. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:46:23 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM, James Dignan wrote: > actually, no constraints on what i mean. >> >> i don't actually know the dire straights much at all - i saw the >> heavily-played mid-1980s videos that were on MTV, and i *love* the >> song "making movies" (or whatever it's called), but that's about it. >> from the bit i've heard of them, they do seem to very recognizable. >> maybe it's just knopfler's voice. >> > > The self-titled debut album is still on moderately high rotate with me and > has some gems like "Water of love" and "Wild west end"; albums like > "Brothers in arms" now sound embarrassingly glossily overproduced and reek > of the '80s. > Indeed - but I retain a fondness for _Making Movies_ - which, if not in their mega-fame period, is also not in their stripped-down mode of the first two albums. (They borrowed Roy Bittan from Springsteen's band...and you can tell.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:50:02 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Mac help needed > I had, as a backup to my backup, a 500GB MyBook. Then, one day it > disappeared from the desktop. I went through the motions of getting > it back only to have it start clicking. Yes, as in the old Click of > Death we used to get from zip disks. Data, gone I believe. Disk > unreadable. > > Just FYI. > > OK, now I'm nervous - got one of those last Xmas and have loaded vast quantities of tunes on there. Were you able to recover any of yr data? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:52:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: band Have we talked about the Sugarplastic on here? I kinda think many of us would like them: clever tunes, interestingly composed, curious lyrics, with a front-person with many interests beyond being a rock'n'roll star (such as photography, metalwork, and m*th - (oops, looked it up: philosophy). I mean, who else would write a song called "Transworld Modal Operator"? (Answer: Maybe Franklin Bruno.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:52:31 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: that's odd. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, lep wrote: > i was doing a google image search for photographs of neko case (short > answer: girl crush), and look what came up on the third page: > http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_graham/venus3.jpg > > for those who wish to repeat the experiment at home, i used google > image search for "middle cyclone" and specified medium-sized images. > robyn and the boys came up on page 8. > > this is the link to the page in google images, but i imagine it's not > really multi-situation: > > http://images.google.com/images?imgsz=m&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=middle+cyclone&sa=N&start=126&ndsp=18 > > xo > > p.s. ain't she pretty? > > Yes (she is, and there they are), and I'd forgotten that awesome image. One of the greatest album covers ever, period. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:55:45 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: band Hey looky - an article: <*http://tinyurl.com/y9orfnt>* On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:52 PM, 2fs wrote: > Have we talked about the Sugarplastic on here? I kinda think many of us > would like them: clever tunes, interestingly composed, curious lyrics, with > a front-person with many interests beyond being a rock'n'roll star (such as > photography, metalwork, and m*th - (oops, looked it up: philosophy). I mean, > who else would write a song called "Transworld Modal Operator"? (Answer: > Maybe Franklin Bruno.) > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:55:29 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon > Reminds me of films that don't exist - my favorite reference being > the scene in the film "In & Out" when Glenn Close is announcing the > Oscar nominations for best actor and one of the nominees is Steven > Segal for his role in the film "Snowball In Hell." Gotta love it. > - c > If that's Steven Sea-gull, shouldn't it have been Snowballs In Hell? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:58:53 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Mac help needed On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:50 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > I had, as a backup to my backup, a 500GB MyBook. Then, one day it > disappeared from the desktop. I went through the motions of getting > it back only to have it start clicking. Yes, as in the old Click of > Death we used to get from zip disks. Data, gone I believe. Disk > unreadable. > > Just FYI. > > OK, now I'm nervous - got one of those last Xmas and have loaded > vast quantities of tunes on there. Were you able to recover any of > yr data? Actually no, not yet. I've tried it with other computers, not just mine. Talked to my nephew who cringed when I mentioned the click (he, like others among us, works in hi-tech). Planning on taking in to have a tech take a look and see if it's something easy to repair as I hear data recovery can be very expensive. Ah, by one day I mean just that. One day I fired up and all the drives came online but that one. NOTHING else was different. Will keep you all posted... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:12:11 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Life On Eb's Ass? stewart, how come you never let tell of ??? this is too fucking brilliant! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:25:39 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Mac help needed Jill Brand wrote: > We were > thinking of a 500 G or 1 T unit. Any suggestions? I always build my own. A Vantec case plus a Seagate Barracuda or WD Caviar (or Green) SATA drive. The new ones don't even have screws - they just click together. Plug it into your mac, and it'll format for you. Mind you, you might want a Firewire drive. LaCie still charge stupid amounts for their drives. A Firewire 800 enclosure's about $50 more than a USB one, and they're harder to find. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:46:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: band On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:52 PM, 2fs wrote: > Have we talked about the Sugarplastic on here? I kinda think many of us > would like them: clever tunes, interestingly composed, curious lyrics, with > a front-person with many interests beyond being a rock'n'roll star (such as > photography, metalwork, and m*th - (oops, looked it up: philosophy). I > mean, > who else would write a song called "Transworld Modal Operator"? (Answer: > Maybe Franklin Bruno.) > I have their first album from when it came out... I never totally got over the massive indebtedness to XTC, but I do remember the tunes after all these years. Can't recall hearing much about their subsequent development, but they were certainly promising at that early stage. I think I heard pretty much everything that came out back in those days, much as I saw just about every movie that was released... different times! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:52:19 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Mac help needed On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:35 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Carrie Galbraith >wrote: > > > > > > > I had, as a backup to my backup, a 500GB MyBook. Then, one day it > > disappeared from the desktop. I went through the motions of getting > > it back only to have it start clicking. Yes, as in the old Click of > > Death we used to get from zip disks. Data, gone I believe. Disk > > unreadable. > > > You folks are traumatizing Rex, you know. > > I suspect he's still in mourning for his late drive. > Nope. It took a while, but I rebuilt that music library... better than before. And I *learned* an important lesson... BACK EVERYTHING THE FUCK UP! Always. So my main recommendation on external drives? Buy two. - -Rex > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:57:12 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Phoenix Saw Phoenix at the Variety here in Atlanta tonight. Not 100% my choosing, but something the wife wanted to see. They reminded me quite a bit of the Strokes, and added much more to their live performance than I'd heard on the studio work. Almost to the point of "we'll play half this track the way we recorded it, and half all buzz sawed to Hell and back the way it's intended." While the tour should be renamed the "Anti-Epileptics 2009 Road Show" because of the shear pantload of strobes used, it was entertaining enough. The sound was absolutely stellar. The Variety really benefited from their audio re-fit last year. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:07:03 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:39 PM, James Dignan wrote: > PS - what's your stance on "zeitgeist"? Me, I never had much use for any of those overly-serious post-R.E.M. southern jangly bands. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:18:27 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: band On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:52 PM, 2fs wrote: > >> Have we talked about the Sugarplastic on here? I kinda think many of us >> would like them: clever tunes, interestingly composed, curious lyrics, with >> a front-person with many interests beyond being a rock'n'roll star (such as >> photography, metalwork, and m*th - (oops, looked it up: philosophy). I >> mean, >> who else would write a song called "Transworld Modal Operator"? (Answer: >> Maybe Franklin Bruno.) >> > > I have their first album from when it came out... I never totally got over > the massive indebtedness to XTC, but I do remember the tunes after all these > years. BANG, THE EARTH IS ROUND is so great that I can easily get over any indebtedness. The "Sheep"/"Don't Sleep" 1-2 (well, maybe 2-3 if we're going by track numbers) combo is a knockout for me every time. I bought both the album that preceded BANG and a subsequent one, and while I liked them, they didn't strike me as nearly as memorable as BANG. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:17:30 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Mac help needed On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Well, it's not necessarily Mac help, but I'm sending this from a > brand new Mac Mini, for which I want to get an external drive. I > like to buy things at Costco, but the reviews for the ones they have > (one is a Western Digital and the other an Acom Data) were abysmal. > We were thinking of a 500 G or 1 T unit. Any suggestions? Loads of external drives here . I have a couple of their "Mercury" line and they've worked just fine. You know what they say about HDs - it's not a matter of if, but when. Enterprise class drives are supposed to be better, but they cost twice as much as consumer drives. For storage geeks There are a number of external drives designed to fit under a Mini, and they also give you extra ports. Like this but there are plenty of other sources. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:52:41 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on 1. Oktober 2009 12:37:32 +1300 regarding Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested): > It's largely the use of national guitar/dobro that makes the sound > distinctive. Until now I only knew the phrase "national guitar" from Paul Simon's Graceland, and I had assumed it was a lyrical image he wanted to invoke. > Sadly it sounds like you missed the band's best period, > which was around the time of their first album. I actually like all of them to a degree, up to but not including Brothers In Arms. > As with a lot of mega-big > stadium bands, the albums worth checking are the ones before they made it > huge (cf. REM, Pink Floyd, U2). The self-titled debut album is still on > moderately high rotate with me and has some gems like "Water of love" and > "Wild west end"; Great songs. Sultans Of Swing still kicks ass, too. I have a soft spot for Romeo And Juliet off Making Movies, and because Love Over Gold was my first one, I have fond feelings for that as well. > albums like "Brothers in arms" now sound embarrassingly > glossily overproduced and reek of the '80s. I already thought so at the time. I still went to see them on that tour (the only time I've seen them play), and was disappointed about how lifeless a performance it was. Every second of the show seemed to be planned it advance. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:58:36 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 30. September 2009 14:11:08 -0400 regarding Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested: > i've heard that, but i, personally, i don't hear it. maybe in "the > life pursuit". can you elaborate a bit on how/why? I listened to Strange Idols Pattern yesterday and that really doesn't sound much like Belle & Sebastian. I'm more familiar with later Felt, such as Poem Of The River and Forever Breathes The Lonely Word. I can't give specific examples right now, but when I first heard B & S (Tigermilk), I was almost instantly reminded of Felt. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:26:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on > 1. Oktober 2009 12:37:32 +1300 regarding Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in > my own head; help requested): > > It's largely the use of national guitar/dobro that makes the sound >> distinctive. >> > > Until now I only knew the phrase "national guitar" from Paul Simon's > Graceland, and I had assumed it was a lyrical image he wanted to invoke. > Both are actually brand names (so, technically, National guitar and Dobro): - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:44:38 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in my own head; help requested) On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on > 1. Oktober 2009 12:37:32 +1300 regarding Dire Straits (9was Re: Trapped in > my own head; help requested): > > It's largely the use of national guitar/dobro that makes the sound >> distinctive. >> > > Until now I only knew the phrase "national guitar" from Paul Simon's > Graceland, and I had assumed it was a lyrical image he wanted to invoke. You hear "National steel" sometimes, too; that's the title of a Kathleen Edwards tune. Again, it kinda sounds like something else. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #261 ********************************