From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #259 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 30 2009 Volume 17 : Number 259 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [lep ] friday's dollhouse [lep ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [lep ] Re: friday's dollhouse [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [kevin studyvin ] Re: friday's dollhouse [kevin studyvin ] Re: friday's dollhouse [lep ] Re: friday's dollhouse [lep ] Upcoming San Francisco show ["Chris Franz" ] Re: friday's dollhouse [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Portland show 10/8 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Jim Davies ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [2fs ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Rex ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [vivien lyon ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [Christopher Gross ] new gillian welch? [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] What's Astonishing is [David Witzany ] Re: Upcoming San Francisco show [Tom Clark ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [djini@voicenet.com] Fanboy/Fangirl/Disposable Income Status Check [lep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:47:09 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon * potential (vague) spoilers re: anything whedon's written, and late-series BSG * jeff 2fs says: >> Description from TAL newsfeed: >> >> << >> Interview With Joss Whedon >> Friday, September 25, 2009 1:00 PM >> Why do all the strong women at the center >> of your shows (Buffy, Echo, even River) have older dudes watching over >> them protecting them? >> > > That's an interesting question... > > I think Joss's answer is reasonable enough (dramatically, it makes sense to > have a character who recognizes these women's potential before they > themselves do), although, of course, why that always has to be a "dude" (as > Ira Glass puts it) is left a bit unaddressed (except, Whedon hints, for > semi-autobiographical reasons). I think, too, there's an argument that age > and experience can see things that youth cannot (and, of course, are > sometimes blind to things youth can perceive). i think whedon left it "look, it's *my* problem", didn't he? i did appreciate his answer, but, as i've said before, i have trouble with whedon as a "feminist" writer (or whatever phrase you want to use.) "the dude" is something i hadn't considered before, but i'm sure that's part of my problem: mr. glass gets it - "the dude" is fucking patronizing. it's not that whedon doesn't have strong female characters per se, it's that whedon's strong female characters are strong in comparison to a certain paradigm of not-strong female characters, and so, for me, that makes whedon's female characters a reaction against, i'll call them, weak female characters. whedon is stuck in the box. i don't have a lot of material for comparison -- and, frak, why pass up the chance to bring up BSG -- but i find ron moore to be much more a "feminist" writer precisely because he's escaped the box (or, if he's a postmodernist, he probably crawled outside the box, put the box inside of a box (i.e. itself), crushed it and put it out in the trash (n.b. not the recycling - it's like an old refrigerator - you don't want anyone else getting stuck in it.) starbuck, roslin, and athena, for instance, aren't strong female characters when *compared* with other, and outdated, female characters - they're strong female characters because they're strong characters, period. he's not reacting against a concept he's rejected. utimatley, this is what makes me believe quite adamantly that moore (and/or his writing team) is more enlightened on this point than whedon. the broad brush for me to say this is the whedon is writing from a christian (or ex-christian) perspective, moore from a buddhist perspective. or, if you don't like that one: moore seems like he's read nietzsche, and whedon does not. > But again: no *particular* reason that person has to be a guy. And I give > Joss, the other writers, and Anthony Stewart Head great credit for this: it > never ever seemed as if Giles was inappropriately interested in Buffy (and > how rare that is in TV and movies: older guy/hot younger woman invariably > means sexual tension). i've heard the giles thing mentioned a number of times, and i've just never really considered it. as you mentioned, this may mean i need to give more credit ti mr. head**. another part of it may be that i watched the seven season of buffy on a three-week jag, so i didn't have i.e. seven years to wonder how things might take a turn for the creepier. but, mostly, i just saw giles as a father figure, and it just never occurred to me that buffy's stand-in father would go icky on her. i did keep wondering when giles would turn on her in different ways (i.e.temptation of the watcher, or watcher with a dark secret); in retrospect, whedon has a love of loyalty of character that i believe prevents that kind of thing - at least in BtVS. i actually wouldn't put it past him now, but i still doubt he would pull the rug out the way moore did with his characters (i love on the BSG commentary for season 4.0 when moore says of one character: "why don't we just have him *lose* the leg?") ** okay, i'm thinking this makes him sound like he has a brother and his name is "potato." > What's interesting is that there are the slightest, slightest hints that > something of this dynamic possibly could develop between Adele and Topher > (with the genders reversed, and obviously way more complicated in a lot of > ways)... it hadn't occurred to me, but i see what you're saying. i do think that whedon's writing is staying more in the grey areas, and so the complications are, for me, really, really interesting. whedon's writing has certainly grown more sophisticated with time, and i attribute much of that to his increasing embrace of ambiguity. > We'll see... (or, for those of us watching TV in real time, perhaps > *are* seeing: I'm still in this silly world of waiting for the DVD. Yes, I > know: I could download it blah-blah-blah...but I actually kinda don't like > watching shows on the computer, both for reasons of diminished quality and > just plain comfort. So there.) i've been sitting in front of a monitor then computer since i was like 17. sitting at the computer always has a bit of feel like work; i hate watching movies or TV shows on it. problem solved with a flash drive, and a standalone player that plays MPEG; this is the one i have: http://www.amazon.com/PHILIPS-UPSCALING-CERTIFIED-PLAYER-AMERICAN/dp/B0016IYKNI as a bonus, it plays PAL as well, so you can watch all those britpop torrents you downloaded from dime on the big screen. assuming your television screen is bigger than your monitor. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:54:31 -0400 From: lep Subject: friday's dollhouse * spoilers of small size * best thing that happened: 1) topher's saying "i know what i know" (here it's standard-issue topher cockiness, but this is the exact line he was wigging on during "epitaph one") 2) amy acker finally gets the opportunity to knock it out of the park. worst thing that happened: crappy ratings - see - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:56:21 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon kevin says: >> They're being sarcastic when they say "even River", right? Because >> River kicks butt. And especially where it counts: theoretical >> physics. >> >> And, sorry, vamps, I have to go with the reavers. > > > Read Peter Watts' Blindsight and you'll change your tune. See > http://www.rifters.com/blindsight/vampires.htm for an interesting > presentation. reavers are scarier, so i figure they'd win. also, vampires aren't real. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:11:33 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: friday's dollhouse - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 29. September 2009 02:54:31 -0400 regarding friday's dollhouse: > 2) amy acker finally gets the opportunity to knock it out of the park. I thought she already did that before, but that scene really was something else. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:20:11 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Rex wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell >wrote: > > > > > * extreme lurker Dan Jones - who has admitted to being on and off the > > list for several years, but never posted - rocks Eugene with his band > > The Squids. Dan plays Portland quite frequently - and I really think > > you'd dig his music, Rex*. > > > > OH THANK YOU! I've actually been digging on Dan Jones for a while, but his > myspace page seems to have gone fairly derelict. For all the obvious > reasons, I'm sure, but I'd been really looking forward to discovering > something beyond the sublime "One Man Submarine". > > Also, why do certain names suddenly become ultra-prominent in one's life? > There has been a sudden and drastic proliferation of "Dan"s in my sphere > of > understanding over the past month. It seems eerie to me. It's probably > statistically negligible, but, you know, WTF? > Just to add to the chaos, I don't know if he's still active but at one point Portland was also home base to the brilliant poet Dan Raphael. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:22:53 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: friday's dollhouse On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM, lep wrote: > * spoilers of small size * > > > > > > > > > > best thing that happened: > > 1) topher's saying "i know what i know" (here it's standard-issue > topher cockiness, but this is the exact line he was wigging on during > "epitaph one") > > 2) amy acker finally gets the opportunity to knock it out of the park. > > I distinctly recall sitting there going "Shiiiiiiiiit." This was the level of articulateness I was reduced to. > > worst thing that happened: > crappy ratings - see http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1026006/ > > > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:38:36 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: friday's dollhouse Sebastian says: > -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 29. September > 2009 02:54:31 -0400 regarding friday's dollhouse: > >> 2) amy acker finally gets the opportunity to knock it out of the park. > > I thought she already did that before, but that scene really was something > else. really. it was just an amazing display of complexity. i read somewhere that, due to the uncertainly surround the future of the dollhouse, ms. acker signed to another show and won't be in that many episodes this season. what a shame xo p.s. sorry alpha, it's true - echo is *not* the best. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:41:43 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: friday's dollhouse lep says: > due to the uncertainly surround the future of > the dollhouse new acid-test: if i think jeff 2fs** can decipher it, i'll resist fixing it. ** i believe he gets paid to decipher worse. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:13:48 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Upcoming San Francisco show So who's coming to see Robyn at the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass festival this weekend? It's a really fun event regardless of who's playing. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:12:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: friday's dollhouse - --On 29. September 2009 03:38:36 -0400 lep wrote: > i read somewhere that, due to the uncertainly surround the future of > the dollhouse, ms. acker signed to another show and won't be in that > many episodes this season. what a shame I can't help hoping that other show (Happy Town) won't last long ;-) Of course I'll check it out, anyway. The trailer references Twin Peaks, but it doesn't look all that great: Amy Acker can only be as good as the material she gets. I watched Fire & Ice because of her and it was horrible: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:42:04 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 Rex wrote: > > OH THANK YOU! I've actually been digging on Dan Jones for a while, but > his myspace page seems to have gone fairly derelict. For all the > obvious reasons, I'm sure, but I'd been really looking forward to > discovering something beyond the sublime "One Man Submarine". "Totally Human" is even better. Amazing stuff. Dan and the missus were in elementary school back in MO. We stayed with him last summer Fun times. If you were to travel, I'm sure you could gig together. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:34:42 -0700 From: Jim Davies Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 I'll be there (assuming Viv got a ticket for me - the venue's dumb website wouldn't let me buy one - throwing me a Java exception instead). And I'm planning to stay in PDX until Saturday, so we could all go check out Viv's new venue en masse?! x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:57:30 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:47 AM, lep wrote: > * potential (vague) spoilers re: anything whedon's written, and > late-series BSG * > > > > > > jeff 2fs says: > >> Description from TAL newsfeed: > >> > >> << > >> Interview With Joss Whedon > >> Friday, September 25, 2009 1:00 PM > >> Why do all the strong women at the center > >> of your shows (Buffy, Echo, even River) have older dudes watching over > >> them protecting them? > >> > > > > That's an interesting question... > > > > I think Joss's answer is reasonable enough (dramatically, it makes sense > to > > have a character who recognizes these women's potential before they > > themselves do), although, of course, why that always has to be a "dude" > (as > > Ira Glass puts it) is left a bit unaddressed (except, Whedon hints, for > > semi-autobiographical reasons). I think, too, there's an argument that > age > > and experience can see things that youth cannot (and, of course, are > > sometimes blind to things youth can perceive). > > i think whedon left it "look, it's *my* problem", didn't he? That was the humor-content, slightly avoiding the uncomfortable question answer, yeah... > > it's not that whedon doesn't have strong female characters per se, > it's that whedon's strong female characters are strong in comparison > to a certain paradigm of not-strong female characters, and so, for me, > that makes whedon's female characters a reaction against, i'll call > them, weak female characters. whedon is stuck in the box. > I think I didn't quite know what you mean until the following paragraph - but yeah: BSG is post-everything, really. I find it really odd when commentators try to angle "racism" onto the show...when in every way (starting from the world it's built), including, like, characters with names that connote one ethnicity which doesn't "match" the actors' ethnicities, etc. etc., the writers seem quite consciously to have disregarded that almost entirely. When there are tensions that might be described as race-related, etc., they tend to be on things that are in-world "racial" distinctions which wouldn't be visible to anyone not watching the show. Then again, I suppose you could argue that that's only possible because it *is* another world. I like the point Whedon makes in that Glass interview about (more or less) the rules of fantasy - it's not just any old weird thing goes, there's a certain logic...and a particular relation to the world as we know it. BTVS and _Angel_ are (mostly) set in a contemporary California, even though it's a contemporary CA with vampires and demons in it - and so, they can't utterly disregard our existing notions re race, gender, etc. Maybe when they go to Pylea... That was one of the interesting things about _Malcolm in the Middle_: that Hal's poker group was largely African-American was never directly *mentioned*, and the one episode that seemed to be about his discomfort due to his difference from the rest of the group ended up being (joke on audience preconceptions) about something else entirely. But again: MitM's world is subtly different from ours, not strictly "realistic," and that's one "rule" they were consistent about over the years (one other one being that we never hear the family's surname...) > > i don't have a lot of material for comparison -- and, frak, why pass > up the chance to bring up BSG -- but i find ron moore to be much more > a "feminist" writer precisely because he's escaped the box (or, if > he's a postmodernist, he probably crawled outside the box, put the box > inside of a box (i.e. itself), crushed it and put it out in the trash > (n.b. not the recycling - it's like an old refrigerator - you don't > want anyone else getting stuck in it.) starbuck, roslin, and athena, > for instance, aren't strong female characters when *compared* with > other, and outdated, female characters - they're strong female > characters because they're strong characters, period. he's not > reacting against a concept he's rejected. utimatley, this is what > makes me believe quite adamantly that moore (and/or his writing team) > is more enlightened on this point than whedon. > Still: the writers of the show live in this world, and insofar as the worlds they create strive to comment on issues such as feminism, you're right that BSG is much more thoroughgoing. As Whedon seems to acknowledge when he notes that Laura Roslin is both "the girl" *and* "the dude" (i.e. - for those who didn't listen to th interview - the woman who discovers her own power and the wiser, experienced person who knows the complexity of the world and the decisions to be made there). Of course it helps that she isn't/wasn't 16... > > i've heard the giles thing mentioned a number of times, and i've just > never really considered it. as you mentioned, this may mean i need to > give more credit ti mr. head**. another part of it may be that i > watched the seven season of buffy on a three-week jag, so i didn't > have i.e. seven years to wonder how things might take a turn for the > creepier. but, mostly, i just saw giles as a father figure, and it > just never occurred to me that buffy's stand-in father would go icky > on her. Well, it never occurred to me that *this character* might...but in seemingly 90% of shows involving the relationship between an older man and a younger woman, what happens? I think the pull of stereotypical characterization and interaction is possibly stronger in genre fiction, too...because part of what defines the given genre as genre is the various rules and tropes that cue the audience that this is, say, science fiction, a western, etc. 'Course Whedon likes mostly to establish those just to fuck with them, so... Re "Mr. Head": > > ** okay, i'm thinking this makes him sound like he has a brother and > his name is "potato." > Snurk. Being 12, I of course hoped his parents were smart enough not to name his brother "Richard"... Anyway: I think often Whedon's relation to feminism is one of protesting too much...but I do give him credit for persisting in so self-identifying, regardless of whether that's fashionable or not, regardless of how well he's able to walk the walk. But your criticisms are (despite my replies) pretty much dead-on. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:18:53 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Jim Davies wrote: > I'll be there (assuming Viv got a ticket for me - the venue's dumb website > wouldn't let me buy one - throwing me a Java exception instead). And I'm > planning to stay in PDX until Saturday, so we could all go check out Viv's > new venue en masse?! > Seems like any future mass fegmeet would have to be in Portland (the Bay Area being the runner-up). And I for one am so very sick of not being anywhere other than LA and WV that I'm ready start planning one. And yeah, it would be cool to involve musical performances somehow... I know there are a few more lurking here other than those who have declared (or been outed). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:57:48 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Jim Davies > wrote: > >> I'll be there (assuming Viv got a ticket for me - the venue's dumb >> website >> wouldn't let me buy one - throwing me a Java exception instead). >> And I'm >> planning to stay in PDX until Saturday, so we could all go check >> out Viv's >> new venue en masse?! >> > > Seems like any future mass fegmeet would have to be in Portland > (the Bay > Area being the runner-up). And I for one am so very sick of not being > anywhere other than LA and WV that I'm ready start planning one. > > And yeah, it would be cool to involve musical performances > somehow... I know > there are a few more lurking here other than those who have > declared (or > been outed). Much as I enthused about the Portland Show, my teaching schedule will not allow me the luxury. I have classes on both Thursdays and Saturdays. Enjoy all! - - c Carrie Galbraith 707.477.8607 meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:05:39 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 I am going to go to that show (and I guess get you a ticket, Jim?), so we could all meet up then and the next night have dinner at Saburos (sushi) and then head over to my venue. The John Jorgenson Quintet was scheduled to play, but they dropped out because their other Oregon show fell through, so it's our friends Honey Wars playing with another local act. I'm sure I can find a way to get fegs on the guest list, since I'm usually the one at the door. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:21 AM, wrote: > What are the details Viv? Is it the same night as the MSS show, or the > following night? > > still on the fence about the trans-continental trip, > Jeanne > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:21:21 -0700 > > From: vivien lyon > > Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 > > > > Well, I'll be damned sad if I don't see you all at my venue at least for > a > > look-see. I might be at the MSS show my own self. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon I still haven't listened to the interview (busy busy busy), but it sounds like Mr. Glass may be making too much of the "young chick with older dude watching over her" thing. On BtVS, the Buffy-Giles relationship became more of a partnership than a master-apprentice thing within a day of their first meeting, and it only became a more equal partnership as Buffy matured. Giles had the knowledge and experience to give Buffy, of course, so naturally he had a certain authority. But Buffy was his equal in decision-making, and by the end of season 3 if not earlier, she was the clear and acknowledged leader of the group. Also, note that Giles' "watching over and protecting" Buffy mostly consisted of preparing her to fight better, not hiding her from the harsh realities of the world. So I don't see much problem from a feminist perspective despite Giles' role as teacher and guide. As for the other shows, I'm not sure how well the young-chick, old-dude thing applies to Firefly or Dollhouse. On Dollhouse, Echo, rather than her two older male guardians/saviors, seems to be taking charge of the plot (despite some rather striking handicaps, like not having a stable persona). And on Firefly, Mal was protective of all of his people, not just River; and River pretty much heals herself with only a little help from Mal, Simon or anyone else. My ten-second explanation of why BtVS is a feminist show: It's not feminist because Buffy is a superhero. It's feminist because it's the story of how Buffy, despite being burdened with the unwanted and severely limiting destiny of being a superhero, nevertheless manages to take control of her own life and fate. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:00:16 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: new gillian welch? http://f52stations.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-92909.html scroll down for : Why I can't wait for a new GILLIAN WELCH album My Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner Fun music news http://f52stations.blogspot.com/ my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:29:59 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: What's Astonishing is Previously, on fegmaniax: >Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:14:00 -0500 (CDT) >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: Whedon > >On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Steve Talkowski wrote: >> Oh, I know you didn't coin the term. I just think it's funny that this >> is being viewed as something "astonishing" and new. > >The title of the comic is "Astonishing X-Men", they are not >"Astonishing Motion Comics". > >Mr. Whedon has been writing various X-Men stories for years now. > >J. > Yup. "Astonishing X-Men" is a Marvel comic that started about five years ago. This video thingie covers the first six issues, which you can get as a trade paperback called "Gifted". It's funny, I watched the trailer and was reminded of an old serial cartoon called Clutch Cargo--but there, instead of "animating" the mouths, they just filmed people's mouths as they spoke the dialog and superimposed them in the appropriate places onscreen. Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:08:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Upcoming San Francisco show On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Chris Franz wrote: > So who's coming to see Robyn at the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass > festival this > weekend? It's a really fun event regardless of who's playing. > I would go, except that there's going to be a million zillion people there. That's why I'm going to Portland instead. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:21:41 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 What are the details Viv? Is it the same night as the MSS show, or the following night? still on the fence about the trans-continental trip, Jeanne > > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:21:21 -0700 > From: vivien lyon > Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 > > Well, I'll be damned sad if I don't see you all at my venue at least for a > look-see. I might be at the MSS show my own self. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:20:32 -0400 From: lep Subject: Fanboy/Fangirl/Disposable Income Status Check Hi List, I'm getting pretty, pretty close to getting those RH & the V3 silkscreen posters up on the wall -- the frames have been ordered. Are you guys all way ahead of me? xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:41:37 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fanboy/Fangirl/Disposable Income Status Check lep wrote: > > Are you guys all way ahead of me? By an unusual coincidence, ours - signed at the Eugene gig - is at the framer's right now. Would have had it earlier, but they were out taking their constitutional ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:24:27 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Chen_Wenling=92s_Golden_Bull_=28NR=29?= Scroll down for the Golden Bull. (For some reason, it reminds me of Szukalski) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:47:07 -0400 From: lep Subject: Trapped in my own head; help requested Does anyone know who Felt reminds me of? Specifically, "The Strange Idols Pattern and Other Short Stories"? It's really starting to bug me. FWIW, I only bother hearing the lyrics and the gestalt. as ever, Lauren P.S. Yes, I hate people who use the word "gestalt", too. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #259 ********************************