From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #258 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 29 2009 Volume 17 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap [2fs ] Re: Bay Area recommendation, plug for a local musician [Sebastian Hagedor] Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [lep ] Crossposting some links from FB, NR [Jeremy Osner ] no one we know would be interested in this [2fs ] Re: no one we know would be interested in this [lep ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [kevin studyvin ] LA Show at Spaceland? [Rex ] Last Girl on Earth [Jeremy Osner ] Re: LA Show at Spaceland? [FSThomas ] Whedon [FSThomas ] Portland show 10/8 [Tom Clark ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [vivien lyon ] Re: Whedon [FSThomas ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Tom Clark ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Rex ] Re: Whedon [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Whedon [Steve Talkowski ] Robin Williamson Interview ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Robin Williamson Interview ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: Whedon [kevin studyvin ] article of potential interest [2fs ] Re: Portland show 10/8 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Whedon [Capuchin ] Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon [2fs ] Re: article of potential interest [kevin studyvin ] Re: Portland show 10/8 [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:07:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: reap On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Sep 27, 2009, at 4:10 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > The only Nixon supporter I've ever had any use for is Ben Stein. At least >> he makes me laugh. >> > > Still? The schtick is old, not to mention he's turned into a creationist > douchebag. > In honor of Safire's passing, I will point out that "douchebag" in Tom's sentence is redundant and should be removed. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:44:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Bay Area recommendation, plug for a local musician - --On 27. September 2009 17:03:36 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> > > This is good. Really really good. Getting close to best of the year > good. Thanks, Sebastian! I'm glad you like her music so much - too bad you don't live in the Bay Area ;-) Are you familiar with Tiny Vipers? That's what her music reminded me of the most. And I know that she likes them and went to their most recent show here in Cologne. FWIW, I uploaded her most recent release to the Usenet, because it's not available for download from her, but she encouraged uploading it (if that makes sense): ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:07:38 -0400 From: lep Subject: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon I haven't listened to this yet. But it's Ira Glass. Interviewing Joss Whedon. I'm not too worried. http://www.826nyc.org/?date=09252009 Scroll down about one paragraph to listen or download an MP3 of the interview. And, if you're in the giving mood, donate a few dollars to a good cause while you're there. Description from TAL newsfeed: << Interview With Joss Whedon Friday, September 25, 2009 1:00 PM Ira interviews Joss Whedon onstage. Among the questions: What old episodes of Buffy do you go back and rewatch? How come in the Buffy comic book, Buffy's and Willow's boobs keep growing? What would've happened on Firefly if it would've continued? (Okay Joss only gives a few morsels on that one.) Why do all the strong women at the center of your shows (Buffy, Echo, even River) have older dudes watching over them protecting them? What's so great about Battlestar Galactica that you've said "I love that show the way other people love 'Buffy.' I love it unreasonable. It feels wrong"? And ... most important of all ... Six reavers vs six vampires: who wins? Joss and Ira did this as a benefit onstage for the literacy group 826NYC. You can hear the full interview here for free, though they'd both love it if you'd toss a buck or two into the virtual hat while you're there. >> They're being sarcastic when they say "even River", right? Because River kicks butt. And especially where it counts: theoretical physics. And, sorry, vamps, I have to go with the reavers. xo Lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:54:08 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Crossposting some links from FB, NR In case you guys did not grok these when I linked over there: Tennessee Ernie Ford singing "16 Tons" with ballerinas acting it out. Sort of an Appalachian Rite of Spring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92arUrGVt6k Buenos Aires group of grafitti artists BLU create a spectacular stop-motion video: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1995 -- they did something similarly breath-taking last year: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1252 J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:02:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: no one we know would be interested in this - "a comic book about the quest for logical certainty in mathematics." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:35:38 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: no one we know would be interested in this jeff 2fs says: > - "a comic > book about the quest for logical certainty in mathematics." it seems you would be wrong there, as i, for one, will have a copy hopefully tomorrow. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: reap - ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" To: "ventilator waders" Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:07:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: reap On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Sep 27, 2009, at 4:10 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > >>> B The only Nixon supporter I've ever had any use for is Ben Stein. B At least >> >he makes me laugh. >> > >> Still? The schtick is old, not to mention he's turned into a creationist > >douchebag. > >In honor of Safire's passing, I will point out that "douchebag" in Tom's >sentence is redundant and should be removed. John Dean is my favorite by far of the Nixon supporters. Of course he changed his tune pretty quick and became an ex-Nixon supporter. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:49:26 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, surely musta shook that thing A brief bluesy playlist: http://readin.com/blog/?id=2000 J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:42:46 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: reap On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:52 AM, wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "2fs" > To: "ventilator waders" > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:07:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: reap > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > On Sep 27, 2009, at 4:10 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > >>> B The only Nixon supporter I've ever had any use for is Ben Stein. B At > least > >> >he makes me laugh. > >> > > > >> Still? The schtick is old, not to mention he's turned into a creationist > > >douchebag. > > > > >In honor of Safire's passing, I will point out that "douchebag" in Tom's > >sentence is redundant and should be removed. > > John Dean is my favorite by far of the Nixon supporters. Of course he > changed > his tune pretty quick and became an ex-Nixon supporter. > Why I didn't count him. This Logicomix sounds like a fun project. Gotta check that out when I go downtown looking for anniversary goodies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:50:51 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon > They're being sarcastic when they say "even River", right? Because > River kicks butt. And especially where it counts: theoretical > physics. > > And, sorry, vamps, I have to go with the reavers. > Read Peter Watts' Blindsight and you'll change your tune. See http://www.rifters.com/blindsight/vampires.htm for an interesting presentation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:16:33 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Electric Prunes You Never Had it Better/ I Had Too Much to Dream Last Night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaOXfQ0wVo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:09:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: LA Show at Spaceland? Wow, this is like next week. Anybody else going? The wife and I will be there. In fact, if anyone wants to meet up pre-show, come on over to our place and we can walk there. It's rather a pleasant stroll... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:13:55 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Last Girl on Earth Deni Bonet's new record is IMO the first record she has made that really communicates the excitement of her shows. And does it ever! It is a fantastic listen: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/deni2 having too much fun, Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:52:20 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: LA Show at Spaceland? Rex wrote: > Wow, this is like next week. Anybody else going? The wife and I will be > there. In fact, if anyone wants to meet up pre-show, come on over to our > place and we can walk there. It's rather a pleasant stroll... > Figures it's my first time being in LA for more than 45 minutes and I won't be able to make the show. I'll be at a conference and the "big event" is that night. Why couldn't it have been on Saturday night? Bah! - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:11:51 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Whedon Joss Whedon Unveils Astonishing X-Men Motion Comics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n8oO5zVqSI Looks a little jumpy, but otherwise tolerable. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:13:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Portland show 10/8 Thanks for reminding me, Rex. So far the only people I know who are definitely going to be at Mississippi Studios are me, Nick, and Michael Wells, and we don't even live in Portland. We're all going to be around town until at least Saturday, so some kind of get-together with the locals must occur! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:21:21 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 Well, I'll be damned sad if I don't see you all at my venue at least for a look-see. I might be at the MSS show my own self. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > Thanks for reminding me, Rex. > > So far the only people I know who are definitely going to be at Mississippi > Studios are me, Nick, and Michael Wells, and we don't even live in Portland. > We're all going to be around town until at least Saturday, so some kind of > get-together with the locals must occur! > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:34:31 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Whedon Steve Talkowski wrote: > Funny, I've been doing astonishing "motion comics" for years now. > It's called an animatic. ;) > > -Steve > > On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:11 PM, FSThomas wrote: > >> Joss Whedon Unveils Astonishing X-Men Motion Comics >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n8oO5zVqSI >> >> Looks a little jumpy, but otherwise tolerable. Their title, not mine. Kind of makes me think it should be called "Ken Burns' X-Men" or something. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:50:38 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > Well, I'll be damned sad if I don't see you all at my venue at least > for a > look-see. I might be at the MSS show my own self. *Might*? What the hell is wrong with you people? - -tc > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > >> Thanks for reminding me, Rex. >> >> So far the only people I know who are definitely going to be at >> Mississippi >> Studios are me, Nick, and Michael Wells, and we don't even live in >> Portland. >> We're all going to be around town until at least Saturday, so some >> kind of >> get-together with the locals must occur! >> >> -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:59:49 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > Well, I'll be damned sad if I don't see you all at my venue at least for a > look-see. I might be at the MSS show my own self. > I am eternally impressed by the fact that you "have" a venue, Viv... it makes one tempted to try to book one's band there in order to have an excuse to (A) travel farther north than I ever have; (B) take my band nominally "on the road", and most importantly (C) meet the aforementioned loveable local feg contingent. In fact, who are the other active feg musicians these days? Party at Viv's! And road trip, too! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:18:49 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Whedon Funny, I've been doing astonishing "motion comics" for years now. It's called an animatic. ;) - -Steve On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:11 PM, FSThomas wrote: > Joss Whedon Unveils Astonishing X-Men Motion Comics > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n8oO5zVqSI > > Looks a little jumpy, but otherwise tolerable. > > -f. - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:56:02 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Whedon Oh, I know you didn't coin the term. I just think it's funny that this is being viewed as something "astonishing" and new. I cringed when viewing the bonus Watchmen iTunes material thinking to myself - "this is nothing more than a glorified storyboard given a fancy marketing name!" *sigh* - -Steve, had fun watching Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs this morning... On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:34 PM, FSThomas wrote: > Steve Talkowski wrote: >> Funny, I've been doing astonishing "motion comics" for years now. >> It's called an animatic. ;) >> >> -Steve >> >> On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:11 PM, FSThomas wrote: >> >>> Joss Whedon Unveils Astonishing X-Men Motion Comics >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n8oO5zVqSI >>> >>> Looks a little jumpy, but otherwise tolerable. > > > Their title, not mine. Kind of makes me think it should be called > "Ken Burns' X-Men" or something. > > -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:10:03 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Robin Williamson Interview . touches on some pretty interesting topics. new elvis perkins has leaked; and i'm here to tell you it kicks many dozens of different kind of ass. well, what with the same to be said of the modest mouse (granted, a compilation), we may need to draw up separate best-o' lists this year just for the EPs! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:10:03 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Robin Williamson Interview . touches on some pretty interesting topics. new elvis perkins has leaked; and i'm here to tell you it kicks many dozens of different kind of ass. well, what with the same to be said of the modest mouse (granted, a compilation), we may need to draw up separate best-o' lists this year just for the EPs! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:30:19 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Whedon On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > Funny, I've been doing astonishing "motion comics" for years now. > It's called an animatic. ;) > > -Steve > > On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:11 PM, FSThomas wrote: > > > Joss Whedon Unveils Astonishing X-Men Motion Comics > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n8oO5zVqSI > > > > Looks a little jumpy, but otherwise tolerable. > > > > -f. > > Duhh, nobody got real excited when they used it to animate Minoriteam on Adult Swim a couple years back... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:31:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: article of potential interest Of weather, and fathers and daughters, and science, and Buckminster Fuller... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:44:34 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 Rex wrote: > > In fact, who are the other active feg musicians these days? Party at > Viv's! And road trip, too! A couple of too-active-to-post fegs: * Bryan Poole is too busy being a glam-rock guitar hero in Of Montreal. But you knew that. * extreme lurker Dan Jones - who has admitted to being on and off the list for several years, but never posted - rocks Eugene with his band The Squids. Dan plays Portland quite frequently - and I really think you'd dig his music, Rex*. Stewart *: and not just for Rex: . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:14:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Whedon On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Steve Talkowski wrote: > Oh, I know you didn't coin the term. I just think it's funny that this > is being viewed as something "astonishing" and new. The title of the comic is "Astonishing X-Men", they are not "Astonishing Motion Comics". Mr. Whedon has been writing various X-Men stories for years now. J. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:36:03 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ira Glass Interviews Joss Whedon On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:07 AM, lep wrote: > I haven't listened to this yet. But it's Ira Glass. Interviewing > Joss Whedon. I'm not too worried. > > http://www.826nyc.org/?date=09252009 > > Scroll down about one paragraph to listen or download an MP3 of the > interview. And, if you're in the giving mood, donate a few dollars to > a good cause while you're there. > > Description from TAL newsfeed: > > << > Interview With Joss Whedon > Friday, September 25, 2009 1:00 PM > Why do all the strong women at the center > of your shows (Buffy, Echo, even River) have older dudes watching over > them protecting them? > That's an interesting question... I think Joss's answer is reasonable enough (dramatically, it makes sense to have a character who recognizes these women's potential before they themselves do), although, of course, why that always has to be a "dude" (as Ira Glass puts it) is left a bit unaddressed (except, Whedon hints, for semi-autobiographical reasons). I think, too, there's an argument that age and experience can see things that youth cannot (and, of course, are sometimes blind to things youth can perceive). But again: no *particular* reason that person has to be a guy. And I give Joss, the other writers, and Anthony Stewart Head great credit for this: it never ever seemed as if Giles was inappropriately interested in Buffy (and how rare that is in TV and movies: older guy/hot younger woman invariably means sexual tension). What's interesting is that there are the slightest, slightest hints that something of this dynamic possibly could develop between Adele and Topher (with the genders reversed, and obviously way more complicated in a lot of ways)... We'll see... (or, for those of us watching TV in real time, perhaps *are* seeing: I'm still in this silly world of waiting for the DVD. Yes, I know: I could download it blah-blah-blah...but I actually kinda don't like watching shows on the computer, both for reasons of diminished quality and just plain comfort. So there.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:37:04 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: article of potential interest On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:31 PM, 2fs wrote: > Of weather, and fathers and daughters, and science, and Buckminster > Fuller... > > Oh, that wacky Bucky. Remember Operating Manual For Spaceship Earth? That was right up there with The Doors Of Perception and The Glass Bead Game, back in those innocent school days of yore. If only we'd been able to understand that we live in *a fallen world*... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:52:58 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Portland show 10/8 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > * extreme lurker Dan Jones - who has admitted to being on and off the > list for several years, but never posted - rocks Eugene with his band > The Squids. Dan plays Portland quite frequently - and I really think > you'd dig his music, Rex*. > OH THANK YOU! I've actually been digging on Dan Jones for a while, but his myspace page seems to have gone fairly derelict. For all the obvious reasons, I'm sure, but I'd been really looking forward to discovering something beyond the sublime "One Man Submarine". Also, why do certain names suddenly become ultra-prominent in one's life? There has been a sudden and drastic proliferation of "Dan"s in my sphere of understanding over the past month. It seems eerie to me. It's probably statistically negligible, but, you know, WTF? - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #258 ********************************