From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #239 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 5 2009 Volume 17 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Still not a Herzog fan [kevin studyvin ] Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? [David Stovall ] Re: Recommended! [James Dignan ] Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? [James Dignan ] Re: topher, yay! (100% dollhouse) [2fs ] Re: all Joss, all the time [2fs ] new on RH.com [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: new on RH.com [Jeremy Osner ] New on DiME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK [Hwy] Re: [VegFriends] DIME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK [HwyCDRrev@] Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] RE: [VegFriends] DIME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK [Matthijs van Geldere ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:23:29 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Still not a Herzog fan >>> not to mention that i'm a sucker for the way in which his nihilism >>> borders on being a state of grace. >> >> Now you need to embrace Michael Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories. >> And Gide's Lafcadio's Adventures. > > there's part of an andre gide shelf at my father's house - my > impression is that it's all journals but i'll have to take a look next > time i'm there to see if i can spot any novels. > > BTW, not that i'm too lazy to read or anything, but you know in school > how the librarian reads to kids for an hour or so? (do they still do > that?) well, it works for adults, too. just change the books. like > to whatever kevin says. An old buddy of mine is a librarian in LA - Garden Grove, Pasadena, I don't really know - and he does story hours for kids, so I guess that's still a living practice in a few places out there. And Seattle Public is doing a series of live readings of noir fiction on alternating Mondays at lunchtime which I wanna check out. On the other hand, most recommendations of mine would require some big ol' disclaimers - too boring for most adults, too unwholesome for kids, the usual sort of thing these days. (I still haven't been able to get into David Wallace, but I do look into his stuff once in a while.) np: "Pushin Too Hard" from Pere Ubu's The Shape Of Things. No, wait, now it's Jeff Beck doing "Hi Ho Silver Lining." (Umm, wait, it's Walter Becker with "The Downtown Canon" now. I love the Circus Money.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:41:42 -0400 From: David Stovall Subject: Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? > From: kevin studyvin > Subject: Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? > > > Vince says: > >> I probably shouldn't admit to this, but I was a founding member of a band > >> called "Bloodcopter". > > > > oh, that's so cool. > > > > plus it could work overtime as the handle for a some bad-ass marine helicopter. > > Also sounds like an outtake from Metalocalypse. My first thought on seeing Bloodcopter was, hey, Dethklok have songs called Bloodrocuted and Hatredcopter,... Cool with me. da9ve /holder of two tickets to Dethklok in Chicago in October. //earlier this year, Mike Keneally and associate Bryan Beller - who are Dethklok's touring guitarist and bassist - played acoustic versions of the Dethklok Theme (MK: "it's kinda like 'Hey Hey We're the Monkees' ") and Bloodrocuted during their Taylor Guitars clinic tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:43:22 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Recommended! >My current fave is this year's Metric release. Dunno why they are classified >as indie rock, cuz it sounds pretty damned mainstream to me. > >On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > > new frank turner is motherfucking *righteous* as fuck-all. > > . > > The new Yo La Tengo gets the thumbs up from me. The Brendan benson one is pretty good, but it's a case of "first few tracks are killers, but it can't maintain the pace". James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:52:54 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? > wrote: > > > http://www.guidespot.com/guides/worst_band_names_ever > >I'm not a huge fan of their music, but (as gross as it is) Throbing >Gristle is a great band name. Hm.A patchy list which misses some true gems - it reminds me of the conversation in "24 hour party people" about the bandd Barabbas. There was a local band here called Wreeck Small Speakers On Expensive Stereos, who surely belong on such a list. But I'm wary of any list that refers to "Lead Zeppelin" (sic) in its opening paragraph when it's clearly supposed to be Led Zeppelin (yeah, I know there's actually a band called Lead Zeppelin too, but from context it seems unlikely that this is the one being referred to). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:48:08 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: topher, yay! (100% dollhouse) Resurrecting this ancient thread because, now that *I've* watched _Dollhouse_, *I* want to talk about it. (Feel free to ignore me if you like.) On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2009, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > (and is it me, or does ms. dushku play basically the same character >>> every time she gets an imprint? >>> >> > I've heard the "same character every time" complaint too. Strictly > speaking I don't think it's true. Compare Taffy the safecracker to Crystal > the Natural Born Killers girl, or Margaret the murdered millionaire to Jenny > the wilderness adventure girl: completely different characters. However, > the problem is that most (not all) of her imprints share some broad > personality traits: a sassy and superior attitude when things are going > well, an angry avenger attitude in times of crisis, and so on. So she isn't > playing the same person each time, but she is often playing the same *type* > of character. I agree that she's *not* playing the same, or even a similar, character each time. But the similarity you point out...is, I think, intentional: it's Caroline slipping out, gradually. It seems to me that a running idea to be examined is whether some essential core of a person can be wholly overwritten...and I think the show leans strongly toward "no." So it would make sense to retain *some* continuity or similarity, to convey that idea. I've always felt in general that Whedon is very good at working with the actors he has - so much that even actors who begin with not a whole lot of skills other than an impressive physique and scary forehead (whom we might call, say, "Mr. Boreanaz") can end up capable of quite powerful performances after a few years developing their skills. The downside of this - building on the actor's actual personality, often - is that sometimes it does seem as if the actor's always playing the same role under a different name when s/he gets other parts...but that may also be writers/casting directors/producers typecasting the actor. Also: Olivia Williams rocks. The end. > >>> i hadn't heard about the extra episode. where does it fit in the series? >>> >> >> After "Omega". It's supposed to "change everything", whatever that means. >> > No spoilers here - it's on the DVD set, indeed - but yeah: it changes everything. Except where it doesn't. Of course, the show was picked up for S2 (applause!). Apparently "Epitaph 1" (the 13th, unbroadcast final ep of S1) was made for about half the cost of most the other episodes...so it's possible to do the show for less. Which means that if Fox gives up on it after next season, Whedon and crew *can* point out that they could make an episode for less. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:01:04 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: all Joss, all the time It's me, searching the archives for "Dollhouse" threads... On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > i'm too lazy to detail why, but most telling is the author's branding > > of topher as a misogynist. he's not a misogynist; he's an *asshole*. > > and not just an asshole - he's evil. not in the big, self-aware way, > > but a very common way - it never seems to occur to him that the work > > he does is wrong, because he's so busy impressing himself by doing it. > Not quite spoiler-y - but dude, you've got to check out the way that plays out in "Epitaph 1" (DVD only)... Topher's a classic case of someone who imagines that being brilliant exempts him from any consideration of consequences (not that he'd considered that exemption - he just assumes it) - and I think runs perfectly in line with Joss's consistent view wherein a key aspect of ethics is self-awareness: if you do not examine your own motivations, your own thinking, and the consequences of acting upon them, it doesn't matter how much you justify yourself...or how "good" or kind a person you are, when things go to shit it *will* be down to you, and even if you don't get it, others will get it, and get it *to* you in an uncomfortable way. Hell, you could almost say his entire oeuvre takes place in a delayed frame of tension between action and consequence... Topher's a misogynist as such only insofar as boys like him are fearful and uneasy about women - then, they're fearful and uneasy about men (in a very different way): he's kinda Asperger-y in his inability to truly function with any social awareness. > > > Kind of a Hannah Arendt banality-of-evil thing - I'm in synch there. The > Dollhouse isn't really about mistreating women as much as it is exploiting > human beings. I've been assuming at some point the whole thing will morph > into some monstrous critique of late-stage capitalism, but then I would... > Implicitly, yes - thankfully (for dramatic reasons) not *too* overtly. But it follows from what I say about ethics above: capitalism abhors consideration of long-term consequence, because short-term consequence always overwhelms it. And something that happens twenty-four quarters down the road is always someone else's problem. > > p.s. also, that's the second time i've read about one of the doll's > being there "voluntarily." the first time, i had to actually figure > out WTF the author meant. in what way is caroline there voluntarily? > technically, you can argue that she is, but only in the same way that > someone can be said to make a voluntary decision when there's a gun to > their head. > > And here we get to the way Adelle is fooling herself. Later episodes suggest that she has her limits on this question (of how much abuse her "voluntary" subjects can be subjected to), but it's rather too little too late - and she too is self-victimizing in that she suppresses what prior to the 1940s might have been called her "humanity"* in lieu of rationalizations, worship of power and decisiveness, and an aggressive notion of how to run a business. * After that era, for some reason that word seems hopelessly undercut by and shot through with a certain historical irony. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 00:49:12 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: new on RH.com Sundance will next screening "I Often Dream of Trains - Live from New York" on September 7. Robyn helps MOJO Magazine remake Abbey Road! To mark the 40th anniversary of one of The Beatles' 'Abbey Road', MOJO has joined forces with a selection of artists to present "Abbey Road Now!" - the latest in MOJO's Beatles re-covered series. The CD comes free with the October 2009 issue of MOJO. Other artists include Cornershop, Gomez, Noah And The Whale, The Low Anthem, and Broken Records. Besides articles on the Beatles reissues and "The Beatles: Rock Band" game, there is an interview with Paul McCartney about the making of their swansong, Abbey Road. At all the usual outlets. Click here to take a peek. Robyn recommends this performance, which is titled after a song of his, which is sung in the show (but not by him). BIG DANCE THEATER in Comme Toujours Here I Stand Title song by Robyn Hitchcock Directed by Annie-B Parson and Paul Lazar The Kitchen, NYC, October 1-10. For tickets: thekitchen.org And in France: Le Quartz, Festival Antipodes, Brest - March 6 and 7, 2010 Le Lieu Unique, Nantes - March 11- 13, 2010 TNB, Rennes - March 18 - 20, 2010 La Filature, Mulhouse - March 25-27, 2010 http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm My Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:59:16 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: new on RH.com "Big Dance Theater's new work, entitled COMME TOUJOURS HERE I STAND, re-invents Agnes Varda's classic New Wave film, CLEO FROM 5 TO 7 for the stage." I am so there. J On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:49 AM, wrote: > Sundance will next screening "I Often Dream of Trains - Live from New > York" on September 7. > > Robyn helps MOJO Magazine remake Abbey Road! > To mark the 40th anniversary of one of The Beatles' 'Abbey Road', MOJO has > joined forces with a selection of artists to present "Abbey Road Now!" - > the latest in MOJO's Beatles re-covered series. The CD comes free with the > October 2009 issue of MOJO. Other artists include Cornershop, Gomez, Noah > And The Whale, The Low Anthem, and Broken Records. Besides articles on the > Beatles reissues and "The Beatles: Rock Band" game, there is an interview > with > Paul McCartney about the making of their swansong, Abbey Road. At all the > usual outlets. Click here to take a peek. > > Robyn recommends this performance, which is titled after a song of his, > which is sung in the show (but not by him). > BIG DANCE THEATER in > Comme Toujours Here I Stand > Title song by Robyn Hitchcock > Directed by Annie-B Parson and Paul Lazar > The Kitchen, NYC, October 1-10. > For tickets: thekitchen.org > And in France: > Le Quartz, Festival Antipodes, Brest - March 6 and 7, 2010 > Le Lieu Unique, Nantes - March 11- 13, 2010 > TNB, Rennes - March 18 - 20, 2010 > La Filature, Mulhouse - March 25-27, 2010 > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm > > My Bob Dylan Examiner Column > http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner > my blog is "Yer Blog" > http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ > http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:46:15 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: New on DiME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK Robyn Hitchcock and His Friends Queen Elizabeth Hall London - UK September 4th 2009 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=265255 Recorded and mastered by Matthijs Audio Source Information: - - Sound Professionals SP-CMC-2 cardioid mics - - SP-SPSB-6 Battery Box - - Edirol R09 (WAV 24 bit / 44.1 KHz mode) - - Adobe Audition 3.0 (remastering and downmix to 16 bit mode) - - CDWAV *Name of lead vocalist between brackets* 01 - Agony Of Pleasure (Robyn Hitchcock) 02 - Dragonfly Me (Robyn Hitchcock) 03 - Insect Mother (Robyn Hitchcock) 04 - Red Locust Frenzy (Robyn Hitchcock) 05 - Human Fly (Green Gartside) 06 - Where Fat Lies Ant Follow (Green Gartside) 07 - Wood Beez - Pray Like Aretha Franklin (Green Gartside) 08 - Cousin Caterpillar (Mike Heron) 09 - A Very Cellular Song (Mike Heron) 10 - Poems (John Hegley) 11 - Amoebe (John Hegley) 12 - Woman (Alessi's Ark) 13 - Snail's Lament (Alessi's Ark) 14 - Madonna Of The Wasps (Robyn Hitchcock) 15 - Dead Bees (Graham Coxon) 16 - Antwoman (Robyn Hitchcock) 17 - Ole Tarantula (Robyn Hitchcock) 18 - I Am The Fly (All) Band - --------------------------------------------------- Rob Ellis - Drums Paul Noble - Bass Terry Edwards - Keyboards, trumpet and clarinet Robyn Hitchcock - Electric and Acoustic guitar and vocals on all tracks except 5/6/7/10/12 Graham Coxon - Electric Guitar on most tracks Green Gartside - Backing Vocals on most tracks Max Eastley - 'The Arc' on several tracks Rhodri Marsden - Keyboards on tracks 5/6/7/17/18 Dicky Moore - Guitar on track 7/18 Georgia Seddon - Keyboards on tracks 8/9/17/18 Written by - --------------------------------------------------- Tracks 1/2/3/4/14/16/17 by Robyn Hitchcock Track 5 by The Cramps Track 6 by Winston Hussey Track 7 by Scritti Politti Track 8/9 by The Incredible String Band Track 10/11 by John Hegley Track 12 by Alessi's Ark Track 13 by Trees Track 15 by Graham Coxon Track 18 by Wire My Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:01:17 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: [VegFriends] DIME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK this looks Outstanding !!!!! thanks Matthijs . . . Question :Robyn Hitchcock - Electric and Acoustic guitar and vocals on all tracks except 5/6/7/10/12 So RH is not on stage for the following ?: 05 - Human Fly (Green Gartside) 06 - Where Fat Lies Ant Follow (Green Gartside) 07 - Wood Beez - Pray Like Aretha Franklin (Green Gartside) 10 - Poems (John Hegley) 12 - Woman (Alessi's Ark) In a message dated 9/5/2009 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, matthijs@vangeldere.nl writes: Robyn Hitchcock and His Friends Queen Elizabeth Hall London - UK September 4th 2009 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=265255 Recorded and mastered by Matthijs Audio Source Information: - - Sound Professionals SP-CMC-2 cardioid mics - - SP-SPSB-6 Battery Box - - Edirol R09 (WAV 24 bit / 44.1 KHz mode) - - Adobe Audition 3.0 (remastering and downmix to 16 bit mode) - - CDWAV *Name of lead vocalist between brackets* 01 - Agony Of Pleasure (Robyn Hitchcock) 02 - Dragonfly Me (Robyn Hitchcock) 03 - Insect Mother (Robyn Hitchcock) 04 - Red Locust Frenzy (Robyn Hitchcock) 05 - Human Fly (Green Gartside) 06 - Where Fat Lies Ant Follow (Green Gartside) 07 - Wood Beez - Pray Like Aretha Franklin (Green Gartside) 08 - Cousin Caterpillar (Mike Heron) 09 - A Very Cellular Song (Mike Heron) 10 - Poems (John Hegley) 11 - Amoebe (John Hegley) 12 - Woman (Alessi's Ark) 13 - Snail's Lament (Alessi's Ark) 14 - Madonna Of The Wasps (Robyn Hitchcock) 15 - Dead Bees (Graham Coxon) 16 - Antwoman (Robyn Hitchcock) 17 - Ole Tarantula (Robyn Hitchcock) 18 - I Am The Fly (All) Band - --------------------------------------------------- Rob Ellis - Drums Paul Noble - Bass Terry Edwards - Keyboards, trumpet and clarinet Robyn Hitchcock - Electric and Acoustic guitar and vocals on all tracks except 5/6/7/10/12 Graham Coxon - Electric Guitar on most tracks Green Gartside - Backing Vocals on most tracks Max Eastley - 'The Arc' on several tracks Rhodri Marsden - Keyboards on tracks 5/6/7/17/18 Dicky Moore - Guitar on track 7/18 Georgia Seddon - Keyboards on tracks 8/9/17/18 Written by - --------------------------------------------------- Tracks 1/2/3/4/14/16/17 by Robyn Hitchcock Track 5 by The Cramps Track 6 by Winston Hussey Track 7 by Scritti Politti Track 8/9 by The Incredible String Band Track 10/11 by John Hegley Track 12 by Alessi's Ark Track 13 by Trees Track 15 by Graham Coxon Track 18 by Wire My Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:15:50 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Worst Band Names Ever ?? Are there any another heavy/light orB capable of flightB band names besides Iron Butterfly and Led Zeppelin? Michael B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Dignan" To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 7:52:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Worst Band Names Ever B ?? > wrote: > > B > http://www.guidespot.com/guides/worst_band_names_ever > >I'm not a huge fan of their music, but (as gross as it is) Throbing >Gristle is a great band name. Hm.A patchy list which misses some true gems - it reminds me of the conversation in "24 hour party people" about the bandd Barabbas. There was a local band here called Wreeck Small Speakers On Expensive Stereos, who surely belong on such a list. But I'm wary of any list that refers to "Lead Zeppelin" (sic) in its opening paragraph when it's clearly supposed to be Led Zeppelin (yeah, I know there's actually a band called Lead Zeppelin too, but from context it seems unlikely that this is the one being referred to). James - -- B B B James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand B B B B -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- B B B =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. B B B -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- B B B .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:13:45 +0100 From: Matthijs van Geldere Subject: RE: [VegFriends] DIME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK Yep - he left the stage for those four songs. - -----Original Message----- From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com [mailto:HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Sent: 05 September 2009 15:01 To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com; RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com Cc: matthijs@vangeldere.nl; fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: [VegFriends] DIME: 2009-09-04 - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends - Pestval QEH UK this looks Outstanding !!!!! thanks Matthijs . . . Question :Robyn Hitchcock - Electric and Acoustic guitar and vocals on all tracks except 5/6/7/10/12 So RH is not on stage for the following ?: 05 - Human Fly (Green Gartside) 06 - Where Fat Lies Ant Follow (Green Gartside) 07 - Wood Beez - Pray Like Aretha Franklin (Green Gartside) 10 - Poems (John Hegley) 12 - Woman (Alessi's Ark) In a message dated 9/5/2009 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, matthijs@vangeldere.nl writes: Robyn Hitchcock and His Friends Queen Elizabeth Hall London - UK September 4th 2009 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=265255 Recorded and mastered by Matthijs Audio Source Information: - - Sound Professionals SP-CMC-2 cardioid mics - - SP-SPSB-6 Battery Box - - Edirol R09 (WAV 24 bit / 44.1 KHz mode) - - Adobe Audition 3.0 (remastering and downmix to 16 bit mode) - - CDWAV *Name of lead vocalist between brackets* 01 - Agony Of Pleasure (Robyn Hitchcock) 02 - Dragonfly Me (Robyn Hitchcock) 03 - Insect Mother (Robyn Hitchcock) 04 - Red Locust Frenzy (Robyn Hitchcock) 05 - Human Fly (Green Gartside) 06 - Where Fat Lies Ant Follow (Green Gartside) 07 - Wood Beez - Pray Like Aretha Franklin (Green Gartside) 08 - Cousin Caterpillar (Mike Heron) 09 - A Very Cellular Song (Mike Heron) 10 - Poems (John Hegley) 11 - Amoebe (John Hegley) 12 - Woman (Alessi's Ark) 13 - Snail's Lament (Alessi's Ark) 14 - Madonna Of The Wasps (Robyn Hitchcock) 15 - Dead Bees (Graham Coxon) 16 - Antwoman (Robyn Hitchcock) 17 - Ole Tarantula (Robyn Hitchcock) 18 - I Am The Fly (All) Band - --------------------------------------------------- Rob Ellis - Drums Paul Noble - Bass Terry Edwards - Keyboards, trumpet and clarinet Robyn Hitchcock - Electric and Acoustic guitar and vocals on all tracks except 5/6/7/10/12 Graham Coxon - Electric Guitar on most tracks Green Gartside - Backing Vocals on most tracks Max Eastley - 'The Arc' on several tracks Rhodri Marsden - Keyboards on tracks 5/6/7/17/18 Dicky Moore - Guitar on track 7/18 Georgia Seddon - Keyboards on tracks 8/9/17/18 Written by - --------------------------------------------------- Tracks 1/2/3/4/14/16/17 by Robyn Hitchcock Track 5 by The Cramps Track 6 by Winston Hussey Track 7 by Scritti Politti Track 8/9 by The Incredible String Band Track 10/11 by John Hegley Track 12 by Alessi's Ark Track 13 by Trees Track 15 by Graham Coxon Track 18 by Wire My Bob Dylan Examiner Column http://www.examiner.com/x-21829-Bob-Dylan-Examiner my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:28:17 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" you've established that you're good at slinging mud and making assertions; not so good at developing an argument. a trip down memory lane: - -- i ask you to explain what the purpose is of lobbying, if it has no effect on policy. my requests meet with hostility. - -- you call duesberg a "whackjob", but are unable to offer even a single word of critique of his site's FAQ. - -- you call the entire body of NH literature "crap" -- refusing to read a single word. - -- you pass on a link from the NH society's site, and declare the rest of the site "nonsense". but you don't give any examples, and demonstrate a complete inability to comprehend the piece you linked to. - -- you claim that "numerous" diseases have satisfied koch's postulates, yet ignore requests for citations. the only example you give, polio, you were lying about. - -- you claim that studies show that whenever the vaccination coverage of a given population falls, the disease rate rises -- but ignore a request for citations. - -- now you claim that miller's been discredited. i suppose it would be asking too much to request a citation or two; but, yeah, that'd be kind of nice. we can only know what our empirical experience tells us. the evidence, it seems to me, is clear: vaccination isn't effective. even if one accepts the germ theory, the evidence demonstrates this very simple fact. if you disagree, say why. we know your *assertion*; now, let's hear your *argument*. you don't give any examples, of course. but assuming you're talking about the polio re-definition, he uses the same time-frame you used in . but, whatever. if you want to link us to a source with a more accurate picture of the data he presents (and, horrors, even spend a sentence or two explaining how he's gone wrong), then, i'm all eyes. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #239 ********************************