From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #235 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, August 30 2009 Volume 17 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The movies [Jeremy Osner ] Re: The movies [kevin studyvin ] Inherent Vice playlist [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Inherent Vice playlist [kevin studyvin ] =?UTF-8?Q?Pssst!=20Want=20a=20Ticket=3F=20Hey,=20I=E2=80=99m=20 Legit?= =?UTF-8?Q?.=20Really.=20=20?= [] =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Pssst=21_Want_a_Ticket=3F_Hey=2C_I=92m_L egit=2E_Really=2E?= [2fs Subject: Re: The movies Also I mean to ask whether any of you who have seen it think it is interersting primarily for what I'm viewing as a flaw, an inability to successfully connect -- this movie seems to me like a *much less successful* "West Side Story" It feels more like an advertisement to me than like a dramatic movie. Not really sure that's a valid distinction. J On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Have you guys all seen "The Wild One", and specifically the scene that has > the two toughs scatting to the confused old bartender, and mussing his hair? > That scene should totally be incorporated into an Egyptians-era RH song, not > sure exactly which -- I would say "Ted Woody and Junior" but I don't think > it's that, those three all seem like peers, something more like Element of > Darkness. > > J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:22:48 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: The movies On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Also I mean to ask whether any of you who have seen it think it is > interersting primarily for what I'm viewing as a flaw, an inability to > successfully connect -- this movie seems to me like a *much less successful* > "West Side Story" It feels more like an advertisement to me than like a > dramatic movie. Not really sure that's a valid distinction. > > J > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> Have you guys all seen "The Wild One", and specifically the scene that has >> the two toughs scatting to the confused old bartender, and mussing his hair? >> That scene should totally be incorporated into an Egyptians-era RH song, not >> sure exactly which -- I would say "Ted Woody and Junior" but I don't think >> it's that, those three all seem like peers, something more like Element of >> Darkness. Beloved for one of the koolest exchanges ever - "What are you rebelling against, Johnny?" "Whadya got?" If that's not a prime example of your acte gratuite, I'll eat my (stupid little leather) hat. np Chuck Berry: The Great 28. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:29:59 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Inherent Vice playlist Pynchon (or somebody speaking in his name or behalf to Amazon) compiled a list of songs that are in Inherent Vice, with links to where you can purchase them from Amazon. Many of these are also available at lower quality on YouTube, and I have compiled those for your listening pleasure here: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1978 J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:57:35 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Inherent Vice playlist On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Pynchon (or somebody speaking in his name or behalf to Amazon) compiled a > list of songs that are in Inherent Vice, with links to where you can > purchase them from Amazon. Many of these are also available at lower quality > on YouTube, and I have compiled those for your listening pleasure here: > http://readin.com/blog/?id=1978 Oh lordy, not the elusive butterlfly of luuuv again. There's a weird kind of genius in the way that tune became a parody of itself the instant it came into existence, which was when I was what, like twelve? and I hated it on first hearing and I expect I always will. If I was ever being interrogated by the CIA, that's the tune that would make me give up all the secrets... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:41:50 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Pssst!=20Want=20a=20Ticket=3F=20Hey,=20I=E2=80=99m=20 Legit?= =?UTF-8?Q?.=20Really.=20=20?= Pssst! Want a Ticket? Hey, Ibm Legit. Really. By BEN SISARIO Published: August 28, 2009 EVERYTHING in Don Vaccarobs world is called ticket something-or-other. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/arts/music/30sisa.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pag ewanted=all Therebs his software and online resale company, TicketNetwork, and Web sites like TicketLiquidator.com and TicketsPlus.com. And his trade convention, Ticket Summit. At TicketNetworkbs headquarters in leafy Vernon, Conn., software engineers and search-engine strategists take turns feeding the company mascot, a cat named Ticket. (Her kittens: Stub 1 and Stub 2.) Itbs a growing, high-tech empire, but Mr. Vaccaro, burly and vigorous at 46, is well aware of his street roots. On a tour of his tchotchke-filled office one recent morning, he pointed to a desk lamp in the shape of an American Indian chief. bThatbs my scalper,b he said with a grin. Once infamous b and in many places illegal b the reselling of tickets for profit has gone mainstream. Accelerated by the Internet and changes in state laws across the country, it is now a multibillion-dollar business serving consumers who want that last-minute ticket to Taylor Swift or bWicked.b bThe days of scalping sounding like drug dealing in a dark alley are gone,b said Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, whose deal for Michael Jacksonbs 50-night engagement in London included a partnership with a ticket reseller. bItbs all aboveboard. Itbs very transparent now.b And itbs become very easy, thanks to companies like StubHub and TicketNetwork, which operate vast online marketplaces for what are essentially secondhand tickets, traded after already being sold once by an official box office. Economists call it a secondary market, and itbs booming: a report by Forrester Research last year predicted that by 2012 secondary-market sales for entertainment and sports would reach $4.5 billion. But scalping has also stumbled on its way to legitimacy. Controversies have broken out over access to high-demand shows, and brokers b the term that ticket resellers prefer, though fans have been slow to accept it b face opposition from politicians and consumer advocates who see them as economic predators. bTickets are snapped up seemingly as soon as they go on sale, and the average consumer is forced to go to one of the ticket brokers and pay outrageous prices,b said Edgar Dworsky, the founder of ConsumerWorld.org and a former Massachusetts assistant attorney general in consumer protection. (And talk about an image problem: Is there any profession whose pop-culture representative is as questionable as Mike Damone, the scalper-villain of b Fast Times at Ridgemont Highb?) Last month ticket brokers gathered at a Las Vegas hotel for the fourth annual Ticket Summit, a three-day smorgasbord of products, seminars and networking organized by Mr. Vaccaro. At panels like bWeb 2.0: Apps to Expand Your Market Baseb and bBuilding a Public Relations Planb they rubbed elbows with Internet entrepreneurs, Ph.D.bs, marketing consultants and even representatives of Broadway shows and major sports teams. bEx-enemies are now friends,b Mr. Vaccaro said as he darted among panels on the second day. bItbs amazing what money does to people.b But when one panelist addressed the crowd as ball of you who started in the street,b plenty of stony faces nodded in acknowledgment, and animated arguments broke out over the spread of dynamic pricing, a weapon against resellers that allows for continuous adjustment in primary ticket prices. (Ticketmaster is planning to roll out an extensive dynamic-pricing program this year, an executive said. Its pending merger with Live Nation has brokers terrified about how they might be affected.) The gold rush on the secondary market has expanded the once-narrow ranks of ticket brokers with all kinds of new blood: dot-commers, suburban moonlighters, ordinary fans unloading an extra pair. There is an unspoken divide between the pre-Internet, bold-schoolb brokers and the new arrivals, who may know their Web 2.0 apps but have not yet acquired the gut-level instincts of strategic pricing. Harris Rosner, a veteran broker in Los Angeles whose company, V.I.P. Tickets, carries more than $5 million in inventory, he said, describes himself a brisk arbitragerb and has to go way back to explain how he entered the business. bI started to buy and sell commodities when I was about 5 years of age,b Mr. Rosner said. He sold used golf balls and discount bowling games, and when a grocer offered to pay him for coupons, he knew just where to turn: bSo I went and made a deal with my grandmother. I said: bNana, I have an opportunity for all these coupons that you cut. We can get paid for them.b b In contrast to the popular image of the ticket trader as a shadowy hustler, the life of the rank-and-file online broker can be surprisingly humdrum. In interviews several small resellers described a job not unlike that of a low-margin day trader. Each morning they scour the Web for passwords to use for special promotions on Ticketmaster, and all day they keep close watch on their secondary-exchange listings, making numerous competitive price adjustments. One New England broker, who also sells office supplies and didnbt want his name used to protect both jobs, said that for this high-maintenance side gig he hopes to make $40,000 a year. Mr. Vaccaro seems to pride himself on bridging the generations. He got his start 30 years ago in classic Damone fashion when he snagged 20 tickets for a Jethro Tull concert at Madison Square Garden, and he built his brokerage the old-fashioned way. bI bought and sold tickets on the street for years,b he said. Technology offered far greater prizes, however, and in 2002 he founded TicketNetwork, which offers brokers software, Web templates and access to its online ticket exchanges. Mr. Vaccaro would never be confused with Steve Jobs b he is fond of leaving his dark shirts unbuttoned at the top, and mispronounces certain words (bamp-u-theaterb) b but he has had enviable success with his company, which now has 220 employees and will have $400 million in gross sales this year, he said. bI could never satisfy my ambition in growing the ticket business as a broker,b he said. bNowadays with software you can really scale your business, and being in the software business is much easier than being in the brokerage business.b (He still owns a brokerage, Metro Entertainment, which sells through TicketNetwork.) Jason Berger, a New York broker and former president of the National Association of Ticket Brokers, praised Mr. Vaccarobs strategies. bA lot of small brokers donbt have the budgets to compete online, but Don has built a successful business aggregating them,b he said. bHebs done a lot for the average, small broker.b Not long ago an operation like TicketNetwork would have been illegal in many states. But by the early 2000s the growth of online ticket sales and the rise of consumer trading sites like eBay and Craigslist forced a reconsideration of old scalping laws, which were largely limited to street sales. At the same time brokers and sports teams b whose season-ticket holders wanted to be able to resell their extras legally b began to lobby aggressively for the repeal of the laws across the country. Price caps in New York were eliminated in 2007, although that law will expire next year unless legislators extend it. Some politicians are not convinced that the changes have been for the better. Richard L. Brodsky, a Democrat in the New York State Assembly who favors price caps, sees the situation as an example of free-market economic theory run amok. bAt the height of the deregulation craze right-wing ideologues and ticket brokers joined forces with the notion that we want free markets for tickets, b Mr. Brodsky said. bYoubve got everybody spinning off in this wild notion, bMy God, look how much money there is in scalping.b And it broke a longstanding social contract.b Newly legalized, the market developed rapidly. Two years ago eBay bought StubHub, the largest secondary exchange, for $310 million, and a year later Ticketmaster paid $265 million for the second-largest, TicketsNow. (TicketNetworkbs combined properties rank a distant third by Internet traffic, as measured by comScore.) Its rise may have been helped by consumer frustration over primary sales, since every time something sells out in a few minutes b common for popular events b fans are effectively being trained to look elsewhere for tickets. Brokers, of course, are partly responsible for those instant sellouts: they routinely bombard Ticketmaster with orders, sometimes with the aid of b bots,b computer programs that evade sellersb security safeguards. But artists and theaters often share the blame by withholding large numbers of tickets from public sale, reducing the available supply. A brokerbs presence does not guarantee a high price, however. While big markups for a few performers like Bruce Springsteen and Miley Cyrus grab headlines, the majority of concerts on the secondary market have much lower demand b and therefore lower prices. Savvy consumers can benefit when brokers overestimate a showbs popularity and put their inventory on clearance prices. In its report Forrester found that 40 percent of tickets on the online secondary market sold for face value or less. David Kronstat, a 43-year-old music fan in New Jersey, said he hasnbt placed a Ticketmaster order in years bbecause of how convoluted the whole ticket-buying process has come.b Instead he scours Craigslist, trying to avoid brokers by looking for telltale signs of ordinary Joes motivated to sell. b Therebs always some guy who bought four tickets and can only use two, or canb t get a baby sitter,b he said. (When told about those lines, one broker said, bThatbs all stuff that I write on Craigslist.b) To reach the widest potential market most brokers list their tickets on exchanges like StubHub, TicketsNow and TicketNetwork. Special software is needed to do that efficiently, and Mr. Vaccarobs is particularly attractive to the little guys because of one ingenious feature: it allows them to borrow one anotherbs listings for their own Web sites, advertising what appear to be huge pools of tickets. As a result hundreds of sites are all essentially offering the same seats. When brokers use the TicketNetwork software, whoever makes the sale gets a commission, even if another party fills the order. This can be great for brokers adept at drawing Web traffic. But it can confuse consumers, who donb t always know whom they are buying from until their transaction has been completed. Mr. Vaccarobs various brands and companies are another complex web. In addition to the software and sales exchanges, he has a trade group, the Better Ticketing Association, and a news site, TicketNews.com, which covers the industry but also runs brazenly biased stories like bBruce Springsteen tickets available at bargain prices on TicketNetwork.b A spokeswoman recently distributed an optimistic report on the secondary market by what appeared to be a third party, the Ticketing & Entertainment Research Group; its four authors all work for Mr. Vaccaro. When asked about conflicts of interest, Mr. Vaccaro said: bAnyone who criticizes TicketNews because itbs owned by TicketNetwork, itbs a fair criticism. I would criticize Ticketmasterbs publication Live Daily on the same basis.b Last year TicketNetwork was sued by the attorney general of Arkansas for listing tickets to a Miley Cyrus concert before they officially went on sale. A similar suit was filed this year in New Jersey over Bruce Springsteen tickets. TicketNetwork said it is cooperating in both cases, but a spokesman for the Arkansas attorney said, bWe could use some more cooperation.b Some artists, who think resellers unfairly profit from their work, are using tactics to thwart them and collect on the full-market value of their tickets. One is to charge more for the best seats. Another is to eliminate the ticket: For her tour that begins next month Ms. Cyrus is using paperless ticketing, which requires buyers to have photo identification to be admitted. (In an article on TicketNews.com, Mr. Vaccaro was quoted as calling this b a career-ending situationb for Ms. Cyrus.) Another potential hazard is federal legislation. After a scandal in February when Bruce Springsteen fans were pointed to TicketsNow b Ticketmasterbs resale exchange b while face-value tickets were still available, bills were proposed in Congress by Rep. William Pascrell Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, and Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, that would create 48-hour waiting periods before tickets could be resold. And then there is the big question of whether in the long haul consumers will place their trust in scalpers, demonized for generations as petty criminals. When asked if every transaction on TicketNetwork is legitimate, Mr. Vaccaro said, bAbsolutely.b TicketNetwork, like StubHub, TicketsNow and other services, guarantees the authenticity of the tickets it sells, a claim corroborated by brokers who say they have had to refund tickets for even minor errors in listings. Then, with a wheezy chuckle, Mr. Vaccaro remembered the speech he gave at the first Ticket Summit. bI know that youbve all heard stories,b he recalled saying, babout box-office managers getting cash payoffs, primary ticket outlets selling their tickets directly to brokers, managers selling their tickets to brokers. And I just want to dispel those rumors right now by confirming that theybre all true. This is the way that it was. bBut I think itbs getting better.b my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:16:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Pssst=21_Want_a_Ticket=3F_Hey=2C_I=92m_L egit=2E_Really=2E?= Fuckers. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > Pssst! Want a Ticket? Hey, Ib m Legit. Really. > By BEN SISARIO > Published: August 28, 2009 > EVERYTHING in Don Vaccarob s world is called ticket something-or-other. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/arts/music/30sisa.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pag > ewanted=all > > Thereb s his software and online resale company, TicketNetwork, and Web > sites like TicketLiquidator.com and TicketsPlus.com. And his trade > convention, > Ticket Summit. At TicketNetworkb s headquarters in leafy Vernon, Conn., > software engineers and search-engine strategists take turns feeding the > company mascot, a cat named Ticket. (Her kittens: Stub 1 and Stub 2.) > Itb s a growing, high-tech empire, but Mr. Vaccaro, burly and vigorous at > 46, is well aware of his street roots. On a tour of his tchotchke-filled > office one recent morning, he pointed to a desk lamp in the shape of an > American Indian chief. b Thatb s my scalper,b he said with a grin. > Once infamous b and in many places illegal b the reselling of tickets > for > profit has gone mainstream. Accelerated by the Internet and changes in > state laws across the country, it is now a multibillion-dollar business > serving consumers who want that last-minute ticket to Taylor Swift or > b Wicked.b > b The days of scalping sounding like drug dealing in a dark alley are > gone,b > said Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, whose deal for Michael > Jacksonb s 50-night engagement in London included a partnership with a > ticket reseller. b Itb s all aboveboard. Itb s very transparent now.b > And itb s become very easy, thanks to companies like StubHub and > TicketNetwork, which operate vast online marketplaces for what are > essentially > secondhand tickets, traded after already being sold once by an official > box > office. Economists call it a secondary market, and itb s booming: a report > by > Forrester Research last year predicted that by 2012 secondary-market sales > for > entertainment and sports would reach $4.5 billion. > But scalping has also stumbled on its way to legitimacy. Controversies > have broken out over access to high-demand shows, and brokers b the term > that > ticket resellers prefer, though fans have been slow to accept it b face > opposition from politicians and consumer advocates who see them as > economic > predators. > b Tickets are snapped up seemingly as soon as they go on sale, and the > average consumer is forced to go to one of the ticket brokers and pay > outrageous prices,b said Edgar Dworsky, the founder of ConsumerWorld.org > and a > former Massachusetts assistant attorney general in consumer protection. > (And talk about an image problem: Is there any profession whose pop-culture > representative is as questionable as Mike Damone, the scalper-villain of b > Fast Times at Ridgemont Highb ?) > Last month ticket brokers gathered at a Las Vegas hotel for the fourth > annual Ticket Summit, a three-day smorgasbord of products, seminars and > networking organized by Mr. Vaccaro. At panels like b Web 2.0: Apps to > Expand Your > Market Baseb and b Building a Public Relations Planb they rubbed elbows > with Internet entrepreneurs, Ph.D.b s, marketing consultants and even > representatives of Broadway shows and major sports teams. > b Ex-enemies are now friends,b Mr. Vaccaro said as he darted among panels > on the second day. b Itb s amazing what money does to people.b > But when one panelist addressed the crowd as b all of you who started in > the street,b plenty of stony faces nodded in acknowledgment, and animated > arguments broke out over the spread of dynamic pricing, a weapon against > resellers that allows for continuous adjustment in primary ticket prices. > (Ticketmaster is planning to roll out an extensive dynamic-pricing program > this > year, an executive said. Its pending merger with Live Nation has brokers > terrified about how they might be affected.) > The gold rush on the secondary market has expanded the once-narrow ranks > of ticket brokers with all kinds of new blood: dot-commers, suburban > moonlighters, ordinary fans unloading an extra pair. There is an unspoken > divide > between the pre-Internet, b old-schoolb brokers and the new arrivals, who > may know their Web 2.0 apps but have not yet acquired the gut-level > instincts > of strategic pricing. > Harris Rosner, a veteran broker in Los Angeles whose company, V.I.P. > Tickets, carries more than $5 million in inventory, he said, describes > himself > a > b risk arbitragerb and has to go way back to explain how he entered the > business. > b I started to buy and sell commodities when I was about 5 years of age,b > Mr. Rosner said. He sold used golf balls and discount bowling games, and > when a grocer offered to pay him for coupons, he knew just where to turn: > b So > I went and made a deal with my grandmother. I said: b Nana, I have an > opportunity for all these coupons that you cut. We can get paid for them.b > b > In contrast to the popular image of the ticket trader as a shadowy > hustler, the life of the rank-and-file online broker can be surprisingly > humdrum. > In interviews several small resellers described a job not unlike that of a > low-margin day trader. Each morning they scour the Web for passwords to > use > for special promotions on Ticketmaster, and all day they keep close watch > on their secondary-exchange listings, making numerous competitive price > adjustments. One New England broker, who also sells office supplies and > didnb t > want his name used to protect both jobs, said that for this > high-maintenance side gig he hopes to make $40,000 a year. > Mr. Vaccaro seems to pride himself on bridging the generations. He got his > start 30 years ago in classic Damone fashion when he snagged 20 tickets for > a Jethro Tull concert at Madison Square Garden, and he built his brokerage > the old-fashioned way. b I bought and sold tickets on the street for > years,b > he said. > Technology offered far greater prizes, however, and in 2002 he founded > TicketNetwork, which offers brokers software, Web templates and access to > its > online ticket exchanges. Mr. Vaccaro would never be confused with Steve > Jobs > b he is fond of leaving his dark shirts unbuttoned at the top, and > mispronounces certain words (b amp-u-theaterb ) b but he has had enviable > success > with his company, which now has 220 employees and will have $400 million > in > gross sales this year, he said. > b I could never satisfy my ambition in growing the ticket business as a > broker,b he said. b Nowadays with software you can really scale your > business, > and being in the software business is much easier than being in the > brokerage business.b (He still owns a brokerage, Metro Entertainment, > which > sells > through TicketNetwork.) > Jason Berger, a New York broker and former president of the National > Association of Ticket Brokers, praised Mr. Vaccarob s strategies. b A lot > of > small brokers donb t have the budgets to compete online, but Don has built > a > successful business aggregating them,b he said. b Heb s done a lot for > the > average, small broker.b > Not long ago an operation like TicketNetwork would have been illegal in > many states. But by the early 2000s the growth of online ticket sales and > the > rise of consumer trading sites like eBay and Craigslist forced a > reconsideration of old scalping laws, which were largely limited to street > sales. At > the same time brokers and sports teams b whose season-ticket holders > wanted to be able to resell their extras legally b began to lobby > aggressively > for the repeal of the laws across the country. Price caps in New York were > eliminated in 2007, although that law will expire next year unless > legislators extend it. > Some politicians are not convinced that the changes have been for the > better. Richard L. Brodsky, a Democrat in the New York State Assembly who > favors price caps, sees the situation as an example of free-market > economic > theory run amok. > b At the height of the deregulation craze right-wing ideologues and ticket > brokers joined forces with the notion that we want free markets for > tickets, > b Mr. Brodsky said. b Youb ve got everybody spinning off in this wild > notion, b My God, look how much money there is in scalping.b And it broke > a > longstanding social contract.b > Newly legalized, the market developed rapidly. Two years ago eBay bought > StubHub, the largest secondary exchange, for $310 million, and a year > later > Ticketmaster paid $265 million for the second-largest, TicketsNow. > (TicketNetworkb s combined properties rank a distant third by Internet > traffic, as > measured by comScore.) > Its rise may have been helped by consumer frustration over primary sales, > since every time something sells out in a few minutes b common for > popular > events b fans are effectively being trained to look elsewhere for > tickets. > Brokers, of course, are partly responsible for those instant sellouts: > they > routinely bombard Ticketmaster with orders, sometimes with the aid of b > bots,b computer programs that evade sellersb security safeguards. But > artists > and theaters often share the blame by withholding large numbers of tickets > from public sale, reducing the available supply. > A brokerb s presence does not guarantee a high price, however. While big > markups for a few performers like Bruce Springsteen and Miley Cyrus grab > headlines, the majority of concerts on the secondary market have much > lower > demand b and therefore lower prices. Savvy consumers can benefit when > brokers > overestimate a showb s popularity and put their inventory on clearance > prices. In its report Forrester found that 40 percent of tickets on the > online > secondary market sold for face value or less. > David Kronstat, a 43-year-old music fan in New Jersey, said he hasnb t > placed a Ticketmaster order in years b because of how convoluted the whole > ticket-buying process has come.b Instead he scours Craigslist, trying to > avoid > brokers by looking for telltale signs of ordinary Joes motivated to sell. > b > Thereb s always some guy who bought four tickets and can only use two, or > canb > t get a baby sitter,b he said. (When told about those lines, one broker > said, b Thatb s all stuff that I write on Craigslist.b ) > To reach the widest potential market most brokers list their tickets on > exchanges like StubHub, TicketsNow and TicketNetwork. Special software is > needed to do that efficiently, and Mr. Vaccarob s is particularly > attractive > to > the little guys because of one ingenious feature: it allows them to borrow > one anotherb s listings for their own Web sites, advertising what appear > to > be huge pools of tickets. As a result hundreds of sites are all > essentially offering the same seats. > When brokers use the TicketNetwork software, whoever makes the sale gets a > commission, even if another party fills the order. This can be great for > brokers adept at drawing Web traffic. But it can confuse consumers, who > donb > t always know whom they are buying from until their transaction has been > completed. > Mr. Vaccarob s various brands and companies are another complex web. In > addition to the software and sales exchanges, he has a trade group, the > Better > Ticketing Association, and a news site, TicketNews.com, which covers the > industry but also runs brazenly biased stories like b Bruce Springsteen > tickets available at bargain prices on TicketNetwork.b A spokeswoman > recently > distributed an optimistic report on the secondary market by what appeared > to > be a third party, the Ticketing & Entertainment Research Group; its four > authors all work for Mr. Vaccaro. > When asked about conflicts of interest, Mr. Vaccaro said: b Anyone who > criticizes TicketNews because itb s owned by TicketNetwork, itb s a fair > criticism. I would criticize Ticketmasterb s publication Live Daily on the > same > basis.b > Last year TicketNetwork was sued by the attorney general of Arkansas for > listing tickets to a Miley Cyrus concert before they officially went on > sale. A similar suit was filed this year in New Jersey over Bruce > Springsteen > tickets. TicketNetwork said it is cooperating in both cases, but a > spokesman > for the Arkansas attorney said, b We could use some more cooperation.b > Some artists, who think resellers unfairly profit from their work, are > using tactics to thwart them and collect on the full-market value of their > tickets. One is to charge more for the best seats. Another is to eliminate > the > ticket: For her tour that begins next month Ms. Cyrus is using paperless > ticketing, which requires buyers to have photo identification to be > admitted. (In an article on TicketNews.com, Mr. Vaccaro was quoted as > calling > this b > a career-ending situationb for Ms. Cyrus.) > Another potential hazard is federal legislation. After a scandal in > February when Bruce Springsteen fans were pointed to TicketsNow b > Ticketmasterb s > resale exchange b while face-value tickets were still available, bills > were proposed in Congress by Rep. William Pascrell Jr., Democrat of New > Jersey, and Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, that would > create > 48-hour waiting periods before tickets could be resold. > And then there is the big question of whether in the long haul consumers > will place their trust in scalpers, demonized for generations as petty > criminals. > When asked if every transaction on TicketNetwork is legitimate, Mr. > Vaccaro said, b Absolutely.b TicketNetwork, like StubHub, TicketsNow and > other > services, guarantees the authenticity of the tickets it sells, a claim > corroborated by brokers who say they have had to refund tickets for even > minor > errors in listings. > Then, with a wheezy chuckle, Mr. Vaccaro remembered the speech he gave at > the first Ticket Summit. > b I know that youb ve all heard stories,b he recalled saying, b about > box-office managers getting cash payoffs, primary ticket outlets selling > their > tickets directly to brokers, managers selling their tickets to brokers. > And > I just want to dispel those rumors right now by confirming that theyb re > all > true. This is the way that it was. > b But I think itb s getting better.b > > my blog is "Yer Blog" > http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ > http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #235 ********************************