From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #233 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 28 2009 Volume 17 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Now that's more like it! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] it must be my birthday [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Now that's more like it! [Miles Goosens ] Re: Now that's more like it! [2fs ] Re: it must be my birthday [2fs ] Re: REAP [Michael Sweeney ] Re: REAP [FSThomas ] Re: REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Eb Kennedy ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Mr. Kennedy (in honor of Ted) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: REAP ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: "Follow The Money" [Christopher Gross ] Re: Eb Kennedy [lep ] Re: Eb Kennedy [kevin studyvin ] Brendan Benson downloads (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Heavily Robyn Hitchcock-influenced band releases album [Rex Subject: Now that's more like it! This excites me much more than James Marsters on Caprica: - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:48:44 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Now that's more like it! On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > This excites me much more than James Marsters on Caprica: > > OK, that'll be fun. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: it must be my birthday Momus wrote a novel. http://www.amazon.com/Book-Jokes-Novel-Momus/dp/1564785610 Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:15:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Now that's more like it! On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > This excites me much more than James Marsters on Caprica: > > As it should. Hurrah! Yum! later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:44:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Now that's more like it! On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Sebastian > Hagedorn wrote: > > This excites me much more than James Marsters on Caprica: > > > > < > http://www.dollverse.com/2009/08/official-summer-glau-joins-dollhouse.html > > > > As it should. Hurrah! Yum! > Indeed. We've just finished the "regular" episodes (i.e., we haven't watched the last disc of "bonus" stuff) - very impressed, very glad it ws picked up for a second season. We'll be leaving to a cabin up north for the weekend, so I'll be away from the internet in order to paper the walls with sloppily typewritten anti-technological manifestos. I'll mail them to Eddie. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:46:13 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: it must be my birthday On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM, wrote: > Momus wrote a novel. > http://www.amazon.com/Book-Jokes-Novel-Momus/dp/1564785610 > Actually, two - more or less: also coming out in Sept., via Sternberg Press (I think that's the name): The Book of Scotlands. (JFGI!) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:03:51 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: REAP FSThomas: >Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> Edward M. Kennedy, 77 > >I quote Michael Sweeney when I say "and not a second too soon." ...Fuck you to the infinite degree for bringing my name and previous thoughts (about Bob Novak, a creeping scumbag "journalist" who added NOTHING to this country)...as opposed to the GREAT Sen. Ted who was a vital part of more important legislative changes over the past 47 years than ANY other politician. No matter right or left, history will continue to judge EMK as among a handful (if not the singular top) of the most impactful, influential, simply BEST Senators this country was ever so lucky to have... MLS _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:18:21 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: REAP Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...Fuck you to the infinite degree for bringing my name and previous > thoughts > (about Bob Novak, a creeping scumbag "journalist" who added NOTHING to this > country)...as opposed to the GREAT Sen. Ted who was a vital part of more > important legislative changes over the past 47 years than ANY other > politician. No matter right or left, history will continue to judge EMK as > among a handful (if not the singular top) of the most impactful, influential, > simply BEST Senators this country was ever so lucky to have... > And hopefully while history is basking in the wonderful light that is all things Kennedy it won't glom over the fact that he was also self-centered prick who leveraged his position and family standing to avoid any and all investigation into a pretty clear case of vehicular homicide and gross negligence. Go, Ted! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:19:12 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: REAP agreed . . . his personal life may have been a mess but he overcame many of his demons (imagine the pain he must have suffered as a youth, and well into adulthood) to become one of the most productive senators EVER (one must admit this, even if you disagree his his policies- often trying to benefit those less fortunate) he was the last of his kind, and irreplaceable i was quite shocked by the mean-spiriTED attacks here - my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/27/2009 10:11:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com writes: ...Fuck you to the infinite degree for bringing my name and previous thoughts (about Bob Novak, a creeping scumbag "journalist" who added NOTHING to this country)...as opposed to the GREAT Sen. Ted who was a vital part of more important legislative changes over the past 47 years than ANY other politician. No matter right or left, history will continue to judge EMK as among a handful (if not the singular top) of the most impactful, influential, simply BEST Senators this country was ever so lucky to have... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:00:17 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Eb Kennedy plus plus plus plus: the auto club play the croc on oct. 1!!! also, sunny day real estate touring behind the re-releases of *Diary* and *LP2*...but the fucking bastards are beginning in vancouver and portland, then touring the country, and playing seattle *last*. fuckers. for me, it's more that i think his movies are just boring. i did quite like *Darjeeling*, however. the only american director that even comes to mind right now is errol morris. mike leigh, though, is definitely my fave at the moment. ...and i'm *still* mourning edward yang's death. as far as tarantino goes, i think everything he's done since *Jackie Brown* has been fucking stupid bullshit. (haven't yet seen the new one.) but even if it turns out that *Dogs*, *Fiction*, *Jackie Brown*, and *True Romance* are his only good flicks; they're *so* good that that alone ranks as a helluva career! heh. i was actually gonna post a while back, after i'd seen *Benjamin Button*, saying that fincher is *my* most-loathed director. but i didn't think it'd be quite fair, 'cause basing that judgement on only *Button* and *Fight Club*. haven't seen any of the others, don't think i want to. i'll go with george lucas. but my thoughts are similar to yours with regards to m. night: his movies SUCK so badly that i can't help but watch them all. agreed! about the soundtrack, that is. i thought the movie, while definitely overrated, was pretty good. vince, you'll enjoy this quote (from ) : >> Twisted Sister is *punk*, so much more so than NOFX or any of those dumbfucks, all those Hot Topic "punks". NOFX is not punk rock. << thanks for remindin' me! according to the latest correspondence from wilco hq, there's an extensive jeff tweedy interview in the current ish. hmm, looks like it's not available online? meanwhile, this new gordon gano disc is *great*! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:19:54 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Mr. Kennedy (in honor of Ted) Coming into Harrisburg Never seen a body look so tense Tell me Mr. Kennedy Have you ever seen the clouds so dense? Coming into Cleveland Riding in the van with Sebadoh Tell me Mr. Kennedy Have you ever seen the clouds so low? Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain tonight Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain tonight Coming into Paradise Thinking that I must have been here once Me and Mr. Kennedy Haven't seen a blade of grass in months Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain tonight Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain tonight Here it comes Here it comes again Here she comes here she comes here she comes Coming into Pittsburgh Dreaming of a thousand open shops Me and Miles Kennedy Stretching out to catch the first few drops Tell me Mr. Kennedy Can you make it rain? Can you make it rain tonight? Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain tonight Maybe it'll rain Maybe it'll rain my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:44:42 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: REAP ... but he was quick a lot of a dick about Cape Wind. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" I was letting this drop, but since I was mentioned by name in Eddie's last reply, I'm going to chip in a couple more cents. On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > also, i've asked, many different times, for somebody, anybody, to explain > to me how i may be misinterpreting the graphs. i mean, they seem to me to > be pretty straight-forward; but given that y'all seem to find them utterly > unconvincing, i'm open to being let known the errors of my ways. > > but the only response has been chris' skepticism at the veracity of the > data; which criticism i'll assume he no longer holds following my having > linked to the official data in my previous post. I'm afraid that's a false assumption. The official data you linked to: > and > . ... doesn't support your position. Nor is it really "official data," unless by that you just mean it was written by people who believe in modern medicine. (You understand the difference between primary and secondary sources, right?) Second link first: the tinyurl takes you to a mini-history of vaccination at a pediatrics website. I assume we're meant to compare the dates in this timeline to the times when disease rates declined; but since those dates were already agreed to by everyone in this discussion, I don't see much use in posting it here, other than to give you two links instead of just one. The first link is to an article from the Journal of the American Medicals Association, "Trends in Infectious Disease Mortality in the United States During the 20th Century." It does indeed show disease mortality decreasing both before *and* after the era of vaccination. But this doesn't mean vaccines were irrelevant. As I've said several times (though perhaps not clearly enough), there are many factors going into preventing disease, and vaccination is just one of them. This is totally compatible with the germ theory of disease and vaccination. Some diseases (eg, polio) were stopped primarily by vaccines, others (eg, cholera) primarily by sanitation, and others (eg, typhoid) by a combination of both. So a pre-vaccine fall in a disease would undermine vaccine theory only *if* it was one of the diseases that the theory says are prevented only by vaccination. And, well, your article does not show that. Look, for example, at poliomyelitis in the graph on p.65. It shows periodic outbreaks and no overall downward trend until the 1950s, when the vaccine was introduced, at which point polio essentially vanishes. The graph clearly *supports* vaccination as the factor that ended polio. Note also that this article deals with disease mortality, not incidence: the number of people who died of disease, not the total number who caught diseases. So aside from preventative measures like vaccination and sanitation, *treatments* are also involved -- such as antibiotics, another product of the germ theory of disease. Also, one thing from your earlier post: > a good question. in trying to find out what's what, it looks as though > *both* positions are in error. "polio" was, it appears, renamed to > "viral meningitis" (i.e., beginning in 1956, people with symptoms of the > former were diagnosed with the latter). This is incorrect. Viral meningitis is NOT a new name for polio. It is a broader category of which polio is a member. Polio is to viral meningitis as moose are to Mammalia, or Globe of Frogs is to Robyn Hitchcock Albums. So if you're implying that polio simply continued under the name viral meningitis after 1956, that's as false as saying that Globe of Frogs was released in 1993 because that's when Respect came out. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:03:31 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Eb Kennedy Nectar At Any Cost! says: > > > for me, it's more that i think his movies are just boring. i did quite > like *Darjeeling*, however. personally, i think the 20-minutes short (i forget what it's called) to be watched along (or rather before) "the darjeeling limited" is way more enjoyable than the movie itself. that short and "the royal tenenbaums" are the only two of his pictures of wes anderson's that i like (and those two i like *a lot*.) i tend to think of "the royal tenenbaums" as a bit of an animated feature (i imagine there's another name for the style of it, but i mean the exaggerated and rather silly nature of its style.) and i totally agree with kevin (and probably totally paraphrasing him) that i totally want to live in there as well. by the way, robyn is *not* a fan of the movie -- i was at a show at the bottom line (circa 2004, perhaps?) which feature some "royal tenenbaums"-related chatter. he made fun of it -- he seemed to find it quite saccharin (or is that sugary?) > work in America today are David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino.> > as far as tarantino goes, i think everything he's done since *Jackie Brown* > has been fucking stupid bullshit. (haven't yet seen the new one.) but > even if it turns out that *Dogs*, *Fiction*, *Jackie Brown*, and *True > Romance* are his only good flicks; they're *so* good that that alone ranks > as a helluva career! i assume you mean as a director so i'm compelled to mention** that tarantino wrote but did not direct "true romance" (it's tony scott's) ** if only because it's so rare that i know a fact -- the only things i ever remember are concepts. > Fincher, but I fear their best work is behind them.> > > heh. i was actually gonna post a while back, after i'd seen *Benjamin > Button*, saying that fincher is *my* most-loathed director. but i didn't > think it'd be quite fair, 'cause basing that judgement on only *Button* and > *Fight Club*. haven't seen any of the others, don't think i want to. (that i know of) the movies of fincher's which i've seen are "the game""panic room", "seven", and "fight club". i only liked the latter two, and "seven" i've really come to appreciate. i had fairly significant issues with it when it came out, but i've seen it on VHS or DVD probably three times since then, and have slowly come around to the opinion that it's a near masterpiece (and i don't say that lightly - -- "masterpiece" is such a stupid word that i avoid using it whenever possible.) xo lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:03:14 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Eb Kennedy > (that i know of) the movies of fincher's which i've seen are "the > game""panic room", "seven", and "fight club". i only liked the latter > two, and "seven" i've really come to appreciate. i had fairly > significant issues with it when it came out, but i've seen it on VHS > or DVD probably three times since then, and have slowly come around to > the opinion that it's a near masterpiece (and i don't say that lightly > -- "masterpiece" is such a stupid word that i avoid using it whenever > possible.) In defense of the English language, I have to object. "Masterpiece" is a perfectly fine word which has unfortunately been mis- and overused to the point where it's almost meaningless, but like all tools when used in its proper application is indispensable. Haven't seen Seven in quite a while. Didn't that date to ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:35:47 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Brendan Benson downloads (NR) Down the page are some demo downloads. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:43:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Heavily Robyn Hitchcock-influenced band releases album Also, what I've been doing lately explained. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skatesrays Enjoy! Rex Broome, Guitar & vocal, these guys ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:06:58 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Heavily Robyn Hitchcock-influenced band releases album On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Rex wrote: > Also, what I've been doing lately explained. > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skatesrays > > Enjoy! > > Rex Broome, > Guitar & vocal, these guys Nice Hitchcockesque graphics you got there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:43:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Heavily Robyn Hitchcock-influenced band releases album On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:06 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > Nice Hitchcockesque graphics you got there. > Hey, the albums with the green covers are always good, right? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:49:53 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Heavily Robyn Hitchcock-influenced band releases album On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Rex wrote: > Hey, the albums with the green covers are always good, right? > Spoken like Alan Parsons. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Stewart's Wii Stewart enlightened: > djini@voicenet.com wrote: >> >> Genuinely curious - what falls under that heading? > > Pretty much any arcade style game would be "twitch" (relying on > reactions) and "casual" (in that it doesn't create a world that you can > return to and interact with). > >> And who are these disdainful gamers? > > Anyone who ever takes more than 15 minutes to play a game. WoWers. > KoL-freaks. You know the type. Ah. Do I ever. Don't get me wrong, they provide my SO with his livelihood, and usually know how to throw a damn good party, but I am so non-competitive that I just can't partake in the actual gaming, and while they are nice to me, I'm definitely a muggle in their eyes. The twitch games... well, mild OCD pretty much precludes me from even acknowledging their existence if I want to get anything done in this life. True Blood had a fairly funny Wii bit last week. Jeanne ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #233 ********************************