From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #223 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 17 2009 Volume 17 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival [ross ] Re: Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival [Tom Clark ] Re: Long Trip Out [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Long Trip Out [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Long Trip Out [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Long Trip Out [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Battlestar Galactica's weird neo-Luddism....(NR) [lep ] Re: Long Trip Out [lep ] Re: Long Trip Out [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Long Trip Out [Tom Clark ] RE: in Scottish (= awesome) music news [dolphmusic@yahoo.com] Re: in Scottish (= awesome) music news [Jeremy Osner ] Re: in Scottish (= awesome) music news ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Long Trip Out [kevin studyvin ] Re: Long Trip Out [kevin studyvin ] Re: to feg-parents [Jeff Margrave ] Re: to feg-parents [kevin studyvin ] Re: Battlestar Galactica's weird neo-Luddism....(NR) [lep ] RH gets some Respect [kevin studyvin ] Re: to feg-parents [Tom Clark ] suspicious Mac query [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:17:38 -0400 From: ross Subject: Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival on HD Net today at 3:00 pm Eastern time: > *Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival* - Robyn Hitchcock > performs live from the Cornbury Music Festival, one of Britain's most > iconic music venues. English singer-songerwriter Robyn Hitchcock began > his recording career in 1976 with the Cambridge-based punk/New Wave > band The Soft Boys. After this group broke up in 1981, Hitchcock began > recording both as a solo artist, drawing influence from Bob Dylan, > John Lennon and Syd Barrett. http://www.hd.net/music.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:52:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:17 AM, ross wrote: > on HD Net today at 3:00 pm Eastern time: > >> *Robyn Hitchcock - Live at Cornbury Festival* - Robyn Hitchcock >> performs live from the Cornbury Music Festival, one of Britain's >> most iconic music venues. English singer-songerwriter Robyn >> Hitchcock began his recording career in 1976 with the Cambridge- >> based punk/New Wave band The Soft Boys. After this group broke up >> in 1981, Hitchcock began recording both as a solo artist, drawing >> influence from Bob Dylan, John Lennon and Syd Barrett. > > http://www.hd.net/music.html Thanks - I saw this just in time. Afterwards they're showing some Bonnaroo footage which I believe has the phenomenal My Morning Jacket performance where they end the set during a dramatic rainstorm. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:25:29 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Long Trip Out Fantastic -- I am reading "Inherent Vice" and listening to my iTunes shuffle its melodies, and Robyn and Grant Lee come on, performing "What Goes On" (not the Buffalo Springfield song, an original I think, anyway I have not heard any other version of it) in Seattle 99, while I'm reading the lyrics to the Spotted Dicks' new single "Long Trip Out" (which is on the radio in Doc Sportello's car), and suddenly I am singing them to the tune of "What Goes On", and they are fitting pretty well. Here is a verse of it: Long trip out, from the Mekong Delta... It's a last lost chance, when you need a friend, And you're flyin on out of Cam Ranh Bay at midnight, And you won't know how, to Get back home again. J ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:30:35 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Long Trip Out On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Fantastic -- I am reading "Inherent Vice" and listening to my iTunes > shuffle its melodies, and Robyn and Grant Lee come on, performing "What Goes > On" (not the Buffalo Springfield song, an original I think, anyway I have > not heard any other version of it) It is by the Velvet Underground. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:35:26 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Long Trip Out - -- Jeremy Osner is rumored to have mumbled on 16. August 2009 15:30:35 -0400 regarding Re: Long Trip Out: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> Fantastic -- I am reading "Inherent Vice" and listening to my iTunes >> shuffle its melodies, and Robyn and Grant Lee come on, performing "What >> Goes On" (not the Buffalo Springfield song, an original I think, anyway >> I have not heard any other version of it) > > > It is by the Velvet Underground. Now you're pulling our legs, aren't you? Cortez, OK, but VU's What Goes On? Come on! ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:51:19 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Long Trip Out On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > > Now you're pulling our legs, aren't you? Cortez, OK, but VU's What Goes On? > Come on! ;-) > Yeah, there are pretty big gaps in my musical knowledge. I think I could count on a hand how many songs I know by VU, the only one that is really coming to mind right now is "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" and "Sweet Jane"... I'm sure I'd recognize several more if I were listening to them. Relatedly as I was reading this novel a few pages ago there was a reference to The Stones' "Something Happened to me Yesterday" -- I paused and tried to locate this tune in my memory, and could not -- that surprised me a little as I thought I was more familiar with The Stones than with say V.U. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:08:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Long Trip Out - -- Jeremy Osner is rumored to have mumbled on 16. August 2009 15:51:19 -0400 regarding Re: Long Trip Out: > Yeah, there are pretty big gaps in my musical knowledge. Same here, of course, so that was meant only as a gentle ribbing. I've been meaning to write sort of a rock music version of David Lodge's humiliation game ... based on Under The Covers Vol. 1 and 2. I'll confess all the songs I wasn't familiar with prior to listening to those albums. > I think I could > count on a hand how many songs I know by VU, the only one that is really > coming to mind right now is "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" That's actually Lou Reed solo. > and "Sweet > Jane" That one as well, depending on which version you know. There are both VU versions (more than one!) and solo ones. > Relatedly as I was reading this novel a few pages ago there was a > reference to The Stones' "Something Happened to me Yesterday" -- I paused > and tried to locate this tune in my memory, and could not -- that > surprised me a little as I thought I was more familiar with The Stones > than with say V.U. I'm not familiar with that one, either. I've only recently become interested in the Stones. I used to be a pure Beatles guy :) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:16:02 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica's weird neo-Luddism....(NR) Steve says: > That's what I get for copying the subject line from a web page. i don't know what this means. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:18:28 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #222 >And Emanuel Adebayor scored twice on his Man C debut. only once, not twice. My apologies. >Yeah, but is he coming back from two years in prison for anything as >anti-social as being part of a dog-fighting ring? Oh is that who Michael Vick is? I knew there was a US sportsman who had done that, but didn't know his name (or even which sport he played). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:21:38 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Long Trip Out Jeremy says: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < > Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > >> >> Now you're pulling our legs, aren't you? Cortez, OK, but VU's What Goes On? >> Come on! ;-) >> > > Yeah, there are pretty big gaps in my musical knowledge. I think I could > count on a hand how many songs I know by VU, the only one that is really > coming to mind right now is "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" and "Sweet > Jane"... I'm sure I'd recognize several more if I were listening to them. i'm of the mind that listening to the song "heroin" a few too many times is a necessary condition for finding god. i recommend "the velvet underground & nico" (the andy warhol/banana album) and the album entitled, i believe, "the velvet underground." the later has "pale blue eyes", the saddest song there ever was. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:38:32 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Long Trip Out Thanks -- VU makes a nice "Inherent VIce" reading background. Listening to "Venus in Furs" now, "Sunday Morning" is up next... J On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 6:21 PM, lep wrote: > Jeremy says: > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < > > Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > > > >> > >> Now you're pulling our legs, aren't you? Cortez, OK, but VU's What Goes > On? > >> Come on! ;-) > >> > > > > Yeah, there are pretty big gaps in my musical knowledge. I think I could > > count on a hand how many songs I know by VU, the only one that is really > > coming to mind right now is "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" and "Sweet > > Jane"... I'm sure I'd recognize several more if I were listening to them. > > i'm of the mind that listening to the song "heroin" a few too many > times is a necessary condition for finding god. > > i recommend "the velvet underground & nico" (the andy warhol/banana > album) and the album entitled, i believe, "the velvet underground." > the later has "pale blue eyes", the saddest song there ever was. > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:21:29 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Long Trip Out On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Thanks -- VU makes a nice "Inherent VIce" reading background. > Listening to > "Venus in Furs" now, "Sunday Morning" is up next... "Venus In Furs" makes a nice cameo in Gus Van Sant's "Last Days", btw. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dolphmusic@yahoo.com Subject: RE: in Scottish (= awesome) music news I *love* Frightened Rabbit -- MIDNIGHT ORGAN FIGHT was a top 10 album for me, and I liked the live one too. Also a sucker for the Twilight Sad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:56:25 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: in Scottish (= awesome) music news On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM, wrote: > I *love* Frightened Rabbit (Sees the title "Frightened Rabbit", flashes on Grace Slick singing, "One pill, makes you frightened,/ And one pill, makes you calm...") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:23:58 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: in Scottish (= awesome) music news dolphmusic@yahoo.com wrote: > I *love* Frightened Rabbit -- MIDNIGHT ORGAN FIGHT was a top 10 album > for me, and I liked the live one too. I think I prefer 'Sing the Greys'. > Also a sucker for the Twilight > Sad. Hey, they're from Kilsyth - a whole five miles from where we last lived in Scotland. Got their album yesterday, haven't listened yet. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:36:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: to feg-parents So what is the deal with this marketing term "tween"? I'd assumed it was a pun on "teen" deriving from "between" and referred to kids too old to be children as such (and entertained by teddy bears, say) but not yet teenagers as such - but I recently read a couple of different reviews of movies that referred to appealing to the "tween" crowd but then defined that appeal in such a way that it seemed to be talking about high schoolers...who, being aged roughly 14-18, are definitionally *teens* - not, one would think, "tweens"... So, uh, I'm confused. If "tweens" are in high school, who the hell are "teens" then? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:47:46 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Long Trip Out > Yeah, there are pretty big gaps in my musical knowledge. I think I could > count on a hand how many songs I know by VU, the only one that is really > coming to mind right now is "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" and "Sweet > Jane"... I'm sure I'd recognize several more if I were listening to them. > Relatedly as I was reading this novel a few pages ago there was a reference > to The Stones' "Something Happened to me Yesterday" -- I paused and tried to > locate this tune in my memory, and could not -- that surprised me a little > as I thought I was more familiar with The Stones than with say V.U. > Whereas I was listening to it a dream last night. One of those wannabe-whimsical numbers they pretty much stopped messing with after parting ways with Andrew Oldham. Whose memoirs, Stoned and 2Stoned, are crazy entertaining, btw. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:56:43 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Long Trip Out i'm of the mind that listening to the song "heroin" a few too many > times is a necessary condition for finding god. > > i recommend "the velvet underground & nico" (the andy warhol/banana > album) and the album entitled, i believe, "the velvet underground." > the later has "pale blue eyes", the saddest song there ever was. > > xo Somewhere around here is a bootleg recording of Patti Smith in Sweden in the mid-70s called I Never Talked To Bob Dylan. No idea where the title came from, but the audio quality is superb - I'm guessing a radio broadcast. There's a version of "Pale Blue Eyes" that Her Pattiness introduces with "Lou Reed wrote this song for a Swedish boy he once knew." And introduces a verse or two that I'm pretty sure Lou had nothing to do with. I do love Patti but some of her little mannerisms can get grating. But really - nothing against the first Velvets album, but if you're looking to find God all you need to do is put on "Sister Ray" and crank it UP. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:54:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Margrave Subject: Re: to feg-parents 2fs wrote: > So what is the deal with this marketing term "tween"? I'd assumed > it was a pun on "teen" deriving from "between" and referred to kids > too old to be> children as such (and entertained by teddy bears, say) > but not yet teenagers as such - but I recently read a couple of > different reviews of movies that referred to appealing to the "tween" > crowd but then defined that appeal in such a way that it seemed to be > talking about high schoolers...who, being aged roughly 14-18, are > definitionally *teens* - not, one would think, "tweens"... > > So, uh, I'm confused. If "tweens" are in high school, who > the hell are "teens" then? Not a parent but... You have the age range correct; it's just that now, we're culturally indoctrinating those kids so there are ripened up for pederasts. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:18:36 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: to feg-parents On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, 2fs wrote: > So what is the deal with this marketing term "tween"? I'd assumed it was a > pun on "teen" deriving from "between" and referred to kids too old to be > children as such (and entertained by teddy bears, say) but not yet teenagers > as such - but I recently read a couple of different reviews of movies that > referred to appealing to the "tween" crowd but then defined that appeal in > such a way that it seemed to be talking about high schoolers...who, being > aged roughly 14-18, are definitionally *teens* - not, one would think, > "tweens"... > > So, uh, I'm confused. If "tweens" are in high school, who the hell are > "teens" then? Apparently I am, if most of the women I've known are to be believed. Never been accused of being a "tween" though. It's just another marketing concept. Probably developed by whoever it was that gave us cilantro. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:29:16 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica's weird neo-Luddism....(NR) Steve says: > > Two science guys talking. You can click on the parts about BG. whoops, i also meant to say that i enjoyed this very much, and found much of it to be rather on target. i especially love the way two science guys agree or admit, in their charmingly unenthusiastic tones, that they wouldn't have thrown all the equipment into the sun, and wouldn't be as keen as adama et. al. to jump right to re: the hunting and/or the gathering. BTW, i love right-hand-side guy's maroon princess telephone. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:32:44 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Hitchcockless gibberish 1) Earlier this evening I became aware I was singing "God save Viv Albertine" under my breath to the tune of "God save the Queen." 2) I seem to have developed an idee fixee about the Who's "Tattoo" being on Meaty Beaty Big And Bouncy even though I know very well it's not. Possibly my antipathy for all things Tommy has led me to unconsciously substitute this much more clever tune for "Pinball Wizard," which no matter how fine a piece of work it may be has, let's face it, been played to death and then some. Does this make any kind of sense? NP the Chicago Symphony recording of Mussorgsky's Scheherazade. Rocks like a mother. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:41:45 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: RH gets some Respect As a sucker for anything in waltz time I gotta say "Railway Shoes" is so pretty it's just embarrassing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:54:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: to feg-parents On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:18 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, 2fs wrote: >> >> So, uh, I'm confused. If "tweens" are in high school, who the hell >> are >> "teens" then? Tweens aren't in high school - they want to emulate those that are in high school. Depending on the kid, I'd peg the tween years as somewhere between 7 and 11. They can go from playing with dolls to telling you to shove your neosocialist worldview up your ass at the drop of a hat. I've seen it. > > It's just another marketing concept. Probably developed by whoever it > was that gave us cilantro. Bastatrds, the whole lot. In other news, the Cornbury show on HDNet yesterday was very good! "Acidbird" in particular rocked out. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:23:37 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: suspicious Mac query Since I upgraded to 10.5.8, every time I try to download a file for eMusic's downloader thingy (which end in .emx), my Mac studies it carefully for about ten seconds and then asks me whether I want to trust it. It used to just go right for the Downloader. How do I reassure my Mac that yes, these files are (permanently) okay? (Also: why on earth do some people write "Mac" MAC as if it's an acronym...?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #223 ********************************