From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #220 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 13 2009 Volume 17 : Number 220 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "Follow The Money" [ross ] A Stranger in "Oslo": NPR [] Robyn on Buddy Holly [] Re: Robyn on Buddy Holly [kevin studyvin ] Re: Robyn on Buddy Holly [kevin studyvin ] Re: "Follow The Money" [Marc ] like you're dying to know what i'm doing at 5:00AM... [lep ] REAP [Michael Sweeney ] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: REAP [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP [michael wells ] Fwd: REAP [michael wells ] Re: REAP [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP [2fs ] Movies: Absolute Giganten [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:21:44 -0400 From: ross Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" > I meant the idea that *no* diseases are caused by germs, and *all* > diseases are caused by failing to live a healthy lifestyle as > described by NH. I've only peeked in on this thread from time to time, but if I understand correctly, Eddie is saying that germs don't cause disease and that the decrease in disease in the modern age is a result of improved sanitation, among other things. Did I get that right? But *how* does sanitation help, if the problem isn't germs? What is "sanitation"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:10:21 -0700 From: Subject: A Stranger in "Oslo": NPR A great interview/performance on WFUV from a few days ago. He plays four songs -- two from the still unreleased record he was recording during "Sex, Food, Death . . . and Insects." "Ordinary Millionaire," which I'd never heard before, was co-written with Johnny Marr. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111613133 Jim

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:24:36 -0700 From: Subject: Robyn on Buddy Holly I'm fascinated with the final Buddy Holly home demos that finally came out on CD this year, and found these interesting comments by Robyn. The link to Paste magazine has some great commentary on Holly from many different artists -- Paul Westerberg's tribute is great, as well. Robyn Hitchcock: Buddy Holly was the first pop musician that I know of to use multi-track recordings: On "Words Of Love," he is duetting with himself. The Beatles copied it note-for-note on Beatles For Sale. Their early tape of "That'll Be The Day" sounds exactly like Buddy Holly and The Crickets' original version. And check out John Lennon's take on "Peggy Sue" on the Rock 'n' Roll album! Holly covered hits by his contemporaries, black and white: Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley and Little Richard. He had the broadest dynamic range of them all-playing and writing ballads, R&B, Everlys' style country-pop and rock 'n' roll. You can draw a pretty straight line from him to the Beatles, the Searchers, the Byrds and the jangle-rock that Peter Buck, Johnny Marr and myself all love to play. He did all this by the time he was 22. Who knows what he might have done later? I've always thought that of all the '50s rockers, Buddy Holly would have responded the most to-or guided-the way music went in the '60s. Rave on! http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2009/02/-rhett-miller-buddy-holly. html?p=2

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http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 8 million members! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:53:53 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Robyn on Buddy Holly On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > I'm fascinated with the final Buddy Holly home demos that finally came > out on CD this year, and found these interesting comments by Robyn. The > link to Paste magazine has some great commentary on Holly from many > different artists -- Paul Westerberg's tribute is great, as well. > > Robyn Hitchcock: > > Buddy Holly was the first pop musician that I know of to use multi-track > recordings: On "Words Of Love," he is duetting with himself. > The Beatles copied it note-for-note on Beatles For Sale. Their early > tape of "That'll Be The Day" sounds exactly like Buddy Holly and > The Crickets' original version. And check out John Lennon's take on > "Peggy Sue" on the Rock 'n' Roll album! Holly covered hits by his > contemporaries, black and white: Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley > and Little Richard. He had the broadest dynamic range of them > all-playing and writing ballads, R&B, Everlys' style country-pop and > rock 'n' roll. You can draw a pretty straight line from him to the > Beatles, the Searchers, the Byrds and the jangle-rock that Peter Buck, > Johnny Marr and myself all love to play. He did all this by the time he > was 22. Who knows what he might have done later? I've always thought > that of all the '50s rockers, Buddy Holly would have responded the most > to-or guided-the way music went in the '60s. Rave on! Ayup. Although ya can't help but think Elvis would have gotten a little more modernized if he hadn't been under the Colonel's thumb, for whatever reason - and even a hack like Bobby Darin got hip enough for Tim Hardin to record one of his tunes, so he knows. I've always loved the fairly obscure cover of "Slippin' and Slidin'" BH did that's the earliest tune I'm aware of to combine electric and acoustic guitars. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:57:24 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Robyn on Buddy Holly > Ayup. Although ya can't help but think Elvis would have gotten a > little more modernized if he hadn't been under the Colonel's thumb, > for whatever reason - and even a hack like Bobby Darin got hip enough > for Tim Hardin to record one of his tunes, so he knows. > SHB "who knows," OK? np The Bonzo Dog Band, Keynsham. Lipstick gleam, Hexachlorophene... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:38:00 -0400 From: Marc Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" ross wrote: >> I meant the idea that *no* diseases are caused by germs, and *all* >> diseases are caused by failing to live a healthy lifestyle as >> described by NH. > > I've only peeked in on this thread from time to time, but if I > understand correctly, Eddie is saying that germs don't cause disease and > that the decrease in disease in the modern age is a result of improved > sanitation, among other things. Did I get that right? > > But *how* does sanitation help, if the problem isn't germs? What is > "sanitation"? > I don't think it is an either-or situation. Sanitation (clean water, modern sewer systems and sewage treatment, reduced air pollution, etc.) clearly has helped improve health. But the issue seems to be that Eddie is claiming that improved sanitation (and if people could live pristine, healthy lifestyles accordingly) is the only explanation for for improved health with the possible exception of DDT removal. As Chris pointed out, for this to be true you have to ignore all the diseases that have absolutely nothing to do with lifestyle and throw out pretty much everything we've learned about modern biology. Personally, I think sanitation is fairly well understood, but what I really don't understand is what the magical lifestyle is that Eddie is proposing and how science-based it is. After all, many claims by folks purporting to be nutritionists lead to diet behaviors that are of dubious benefit at best (anti-oxidants and Omega-3 fatty acids come to mind). Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:02:54 -0400 From: lep Subject: like you're dying to know what i'm doing at 5:00AM... oh, just the usual: posting about math to fegList: http://xkcd.com/622/ (for anyone wondering: it's true (would euclid, or xkcd lie to you?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_theorem) as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:25:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: REAP Les Paul, 94. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:58:40 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: REAP ...Last solo logged by guitar pioneer Les Paul, 94... _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_syn c:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:58:16 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP Guitar legend Les Paul dies at age 94 By LUKE SHERIDAN (AP) b 17 minutes ago WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. b Les Paul, the guitarist and inventor who changed the course of music with the electric guitar and multitrack recording and had a string of hits, many with wife Mary Ford, died on Thursday. He was 94. According to Gibson Guitar, Paul died of complications from pneumonia at White Plains Hospital. His family and friends were by his side. He had been hospitalized in February 2006 when he learned he won two Grammys for an album he released after his 90th birthday, "Les Paul & Friends: American Made, World Played." "I feel like a condemned building with a new flagpole on it," he joked. As an inventor, Paul helped bring about the rise of rock 'n' roll and multitrack recording, which enables artists to record different instruments at different times, sing harmony with themselves, and then carefully balance the "tracks" in the finished recording. With Ford, his wife from 1949 to 1962, he earned 36 gold records and 11 No. 1 pop hits, including "Vaya Con Dios," "How High the Moon," "Nola" and "Lover." Many of their songs used overdubbing techniques that Paul the inventor had helped develop. "I could take my Mary and make her three, six, nine, 12, as many voices as I wished," he recalled. "This is quite an asset." The overdubbing technique was highly influential on later recording artists such as the Carpenters. The use of electric guitar gained popularity in the mid-to-late 1940s, and then exploded with the advent of rock the 1950s. "Suddenly, it was recognized that power was a very important part of music," Paul once said. "To have the dynamics, to have the way of expressing yourself beyond the normal limits of an unamplified instrument, was incredible. Today a guy wouldn't think of singing a song on a stage without a microphone and a sound system." A tinkerer and musician since childhood, he experimented with guitar amplification for years before coming up in 1941 with what he called "The Log," a four-by-four piece of wood strung with steel strings. "I went into a nightclub and played it. Of course, everybody had me labeled as a nut." He later put the wooden wings onto the body to give it a tradition guitar shape. In 1952, Gibson Guitars began production on the Les Paul guitar. Pete Townsend of The Who, Steve Howe of Yes, jazz great Al DiMeola and Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page all made the Gibson Les Paul their trademark six-string. Over the years, the Les Paul series has become one of the most widely used guitars in the music industry. In 2005, Christie's auction house sold a 1955 Gibson Les Paul for $45,600. Copyright B) 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. my blog is "Yer Blog" _http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/_ (http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/) _http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/_ (http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:26:11 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > Les Paul, 94. > Too bad. There's somebody who actually made the world a better place. I got to see him play at McCabe's in LA in like 1972 and he had a tone like honey. Although, being the little jerk I was at the time, I remember remarking to somebody I was with that he wasn't bad for such an ancient guy - being in his early sixties and everything... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:16:05 -0500 From: michael wells Subject: Re: REAP > Les Paul, 94. It's impossible to underestimate the influence he had on on *generations* of guitarists...rock, country, jazz, you name it. The professional's professional. I still have rekkids of his with Bing and Mary Ford that get played once a year, and the guitar parts are brilliant. He will be missed. Michael "way to stay classy there, Cubs fans" the Michaelster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:58:01 -0500 From: michael wells Subject: Fwd: REAP > It's impossible to underestimate the influence Erk, of course, that's "impossible to overstate...". Such is the peril of typing while simultaneously running kids out to the pool. Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4 MW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:35:58 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, michael wells wrote: >> It's impossible to underestimate the influence > > Erk, of course, that's "impossible to overstate...". Such is the peril of > typing while simultaneously running kids out to the pool. > > Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4 > > MW That kind of unfortunate misunderestimation can happen to anybody. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:20:59 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: REAP On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, wrote: > Guitar legend Les Paul dies at age 94 > By LUKE SHERIDAN (AP) b 17 minutes ago > The overdubbing technique > was highly influential on later recording artists such as the Carpenters. Wha-hut? Of all the recording artists in the world who've used overdubbing (which is pretty much all of them), this guy's go-to choice is...the Carpenters?!? That has to be one of the more bizarre choices I've ever seen... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:54:39 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Movies: Absolute Giganten This German 1999 movie apparently had the title "Gigantics" in the US, but it seems to have only been shown at Sundance and one other festival. That's a shame. It's the first film by Sebastian Schipper, who's part of Tom Tykwer's entourage, if you will. Tom Tykwer produced the film and his cinematographer, Frank Griebe, shot it. Consequently there are fantastic images that rival those in Tykwer films. The story isn't all that important, but the mood and atmosphere are. The film is poetic and depressing. It feels completely German to me, much more so than Schloendorff, Herzog, Wenders or Fassbinder. The reason may be that Schipper was born the same year I was, so I guess it's more reflective of my generation. The whole film takes place in one day and night in Hamburg, which might be of special interest to Jill. Perhaps you can get the DVD from Germany, if you don't already know it? All films by Schipper have remarkable scores. This one's is mainly by The Notwist, his second one's (A Friend Of Mine) was by Gravenhurst and the third one that just was released here (Sometime In August, an adaptation of Goethe's Elective Affinities) has Vic Chesnutt. I'll try to watch that one over the weekend. 9/10 - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:29:14 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: reap Les Paul, 94 James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #220 ********************************