From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #218 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 11 2009 Volume 17 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [lep ] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [kevin studyvin ] Re: Cortez the Killer ["Marc Holden" ] Censored albums from Spain ( Was: Cortez the Killer ) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [lep ] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Cortez the Killer [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Movies: The Sound of Music [lep ] new tunes [blatzman@aol.com] Re: Cortez the Killer [David Stovall ] Re: "Follow The Money" ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:57:40 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music Sebastian says: > And what did I think? Well, I'm a sucker for musicals :) I *love* "My Fair > Lady" and "Mary Poppins", so of course I enjoyed this one as well. There is > a lot I could criticize, but the positive outweighs the negative as far as > I'm concerned. Julie Andrews is wonderful, even though her affectations in > the current intros and commentaries make me cringe. i recently re-saw this while visiting my childhood best friend and her daughters, ages 9 and 11. it's kind of wretched, but i love the girls so we had much fun. BTW, i told them that my favourite song was "16 going on 17" (or whatever) and they said no, no, no, that the boyfriend was rather condescending in the song, and 17 isn't that much older than 16. but who cares what i think. what you're really wondering is what zizek thinks, so here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiTum8eQ51E BTW, i love this comment: "Zizek is a weak minded leftist gas bag who resents everything bourgeois." indeed. that's why he's my hero. as ever, lauren p.s. we're in the middle of the first real summer heat wave here. it's halfway through the night and it's still (allegedly) 82 degrees out (that's (82 - 32) * 5/9 for you non-US folks.) humid, too, so good lord, it feels like i'm in the middle of a damn tennessee williams play. well, without all the people yelling or (probably) having sex in the back orchard. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:06:49 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music > p.s. we're in the middle of the first real summer heat wave here. > it's halfway through the night and it's still (allegedly) 82 degrees > out (that's (82 - 32) * 5/9 for you non-US folks.) humid, too, so > good lord, it feels like i'm in the middle of a damn tennessee > williams play. well, without all the people yelling or (probably) > having sex in the back orchard. You have my deepest sympathy. (Our temps are blessedly back to normal, though we still haven't had a proper rain in like two months and the yard looks like straw. And some kind of burrowing spiders have moved into the back yard and are making webs in what passes for grass out there right now. A good rain would certainly help to chase those guys out of here.) I recommend hiding in the basement with a big fan and vast quantities of club soda, lime juice and ice - it saved us. Tangentially - I was following the wife around at a yard sale the other day and wound up acquiring (for $1 US) an antediluvian reel-to-reel tape machine which claims to be a Columbia C-690TR, with a nameplate bearing the old logo of Columbia Records, which appears to have been made by Sony, I'd say at a guess mid-1950s. It has no VU meter, only a light labeled LEVEL. It weighs roughly a ton and I'm pretty sure it predates the discovery of stereophonic sound. I can't find diddly online about this device. Ring any bells out there? It'd be sweet to get this critter running but I'm interested in finding manuals, parts, etc. You cannot beat those old tube machines for great sound. np Kronos Quartet, At the Grave Of Richard Wagner. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:29:11 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer Kevin asked: > Where is it not on Decade? I've got vinyl & CD > versions and they both have the tune on there. & I've > looked in various download venues and I see Cortez > (or Cortex) the Killer every place I look. Maybe you're > dealing with a Spanish source? Funny that you would suggest that. I have a Spanish issue of the Beatles' LP "Beatles Again" (Hey Jude) which leaves off "the Ballad of John and Yoko". Do the Spanish edit albums often? from Wikipedia: "Several other countries wound up with the original Beatles Again title, with Spain's perhaps being the most interesting-because "Ballad of John and Yoko" was clipped from the album, having been deemed offensive (either due to its reference to Christ, or to the fact of Lennon's referral of "Gibraltar near Spain", at a time when Spain's Franco administration was contending with the UK over the ownership of Gibraltar." Okay, time for sleep. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:03:48 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Censored albums from Spain ( Was: Cortez the Killer ) http://www.thewho.info/WhoAlbums.htm http://www.thewho.info/Quadrophenia.htm The Who's Quadrophenia: Spain - 1973 Polydor LP 1st pressing with censored book and "Dr. Jimmy" deleted. Note: catalog # in upper right corner, not present on 2nd pressing. Catalog # 24 06 114/115 Spain - 1973 Polydor LP (front cover) Catalog # 26 68 018 Spain - 1973 Polydor LP (partial back cover) "Dr Jimmy" is missing from track listing. 1st pressings delete this track and censor the pictures in the book. 2nd pressing includes "Dr Jimmy" (except on the cover) and the book is the standard cover. (2nd pressing pictured above) somewhere on the site is much more info - but i cannot find it right now my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:48:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marc.h@cox.net writes: Funny that you would suggest that. I have a Spanish issue of the Beatles' LP "Beatles Again" (Hey Jude) which leaves off "the Ballad of John and Yoko". Do the Spanish edit albums often? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:16:42 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music kevin says: > You have my deepest sympathy. (Our temps are blessedly back to > normal, though we still haven't had a proper rain in like two months > and the yard looks like straw. And some kind of burrowing spiders > have moved into the back yard and are making webs in what passes for > grass out there right now. A good rain would certainly help to chase > those guys out of here.) burrowing spiders? i'm imagining their being mole-sized. that's just...wrong. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:32:20 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:16 AM, lep wrote: > > burrowing spiders? i'm imagining their being mole-sized. that's > just...wrong. > Ole! (Just suddenly realizing, is RH picturing himself as aranero in the spiderly equivalent of a bullfight when he sings this chorus? Waving the red cape and all?) (Should be a tilde over than n in aranero but the ListServ is going to convert my message to funny characters if I do that.) J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:35:05 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music Look at the spider, return to his hole In the backyard like, a burrowing mole Ole! Tarantula... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:52:08 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music - --On 11. August 2009 01:57:40 -0400 lep wrote: > i recently re-saw this while visiting my childhood best friend and her > daughters, ages 9 and 11. it's kind of wretched, but i love the girls > so we had much fun. BTW, i told them that my favourite song was "16 > going on 17" (or whatever) and they said no, no, no, that the > boyfriend was rather condescending in the song, and 17 isn't that much > older than 16. They're right, don't you agree? > but who cares what i think. We do! > what you're really wondering is what > zizek thinks, so here you go: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiTum8eQ51E > > BTW, i love this comment: "Zizek is a weak minded leftist gas bag who > resents everything bourgeois." indeed. that's why he's my hero. Well, obviously most (all? What about the French ones like "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg"?) musicals are reactionary and bourgeois, that's why they're always a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I can't really say what I like so much about them. I can't help it. Anyway, I get Zizek's point, but it seems an exaggeration to claim that the film was so successful because its subtext is fascist :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:58:54 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > > Well, obviously most (all? What about the French ones like "The Umbrellas > of Cherbourg"?) musicals are reactionary and bourgeois, that's why they're > always a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. This reminds me! Has anyone heard any news of RH's rumored production of "Magnum Force: the Musical"? (Also, What about Brecht's "Three-Penny Opera"? Exception that proves the rule? Demi's musicals are certainly reactionary and bourgeois, though in a pretty self-conscious, sarcastic way.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:06:40 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music - --On 11. August 2009 10:58:54 -0400 Jeremy Osner wrote: > This reminds me! Has anyone heard any news of RH's rumored production of > "Magnum Force: the Musical"? I'd decided for myself that it a prank he played on the journalists. But what do I know? > (Also, What about Brecht's "Three-Penny > Opera"? Exception that proves the rule? I wouldn't call those musicals, although I guess you could. I'm not sure if there's a fixed set of criteria that let's you distinguish between operas and musicals. Note that there's also the operetta ... - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:08:37 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Sondheim to the rescue "I really think that when something plays Broadway it's a musical, and when it plays in an opera house it's opera. That's it. It's the terrain, the countryside, the expectations of the audience that make it one thing or another." - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:15:08 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer you may also be interested in this : S.E. Asia/Malaysia/Hong Kong Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band This album was issued in the Far East apparently without the perceived drug-related songs (With A Little Help From My Friends, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, A Day In The Life) and replaced them with the songs denoted with b . Side 1 Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band The Fool On The Hill b Baby You're A Rich Man b Getting Better Fixing A Hole She's Leaving Home Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite Side 2 Within You Without You When I'm Sixty Four Lovely Rita Good Morning, Good Morning Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) I'm The Walrus (sic) b http://www.beatlesagain.com/btworldlp.html my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:48:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marc.h@cox.net writes: Funny that you would suggest that. I have a Spanish issue of the Beatles' LP "Beatles Again" (Hey Jude) which leaves off "the Ballad of John and Yoko". Do the Spanish edit albums often? from Wikipedia: "Several other countries wound up with the original Beatles Again title, with Spain's perhaps being the most interesting-because "Ballad of John and Yoko" was clipped from the album, having been deemed offensive (either due to its reference to Christ, or to the fact of Lennon's referral of "Gibraltar near Spain", at a time when Spain's Franco administration was contending with the UK over the ownership of Gibraltar." Okay, time for sleep. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:36:23 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Movies: The Sound of Music Sebastian says: > --On 11. August 2009 01:57:40 -0400 lep wrote: > >> i recently re-saw this while visiting my childhood best friend and her >> daughters, ages 9 and 11. it's kind of wretched, but i love the girls >> so we had much fun. BTW, i told them that my favourite song was "16 >> going on 17" (or whatever) and they said no, no, no, that the >> boyfriend was rather condescending in the song, and 17 isn't that much >> older than 16. > > They're right, don't you agree? yes, indeed. but their points are much why i like the song. the song is naive, a bit arrogant, and a bit sweet, which is perfect for the ages of the two characters. >> what you're really wondering is what >> zizek thinks, so here you go: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiTum8eQ51E >> >> BTW, i love this comment: "Zizek is a weak minded leftist gas bag who >> resents everything bourgeois." indeed. that's why he's my hero. > > Well, obviously most (all? What about the French ones like "The Umbrellas of > Cherbourg"?) musicals are reactionary and bourgeois, good point... > that's why they're > always a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I can't really say what I like so > much about them. I can't help it. any time i like a musical, i feel the same way. maybe they work less like plays or movies, and more like viruses. Anyway, I get Zizek's point, but it seems > an exaggeration to claim that the film was so successful because its subtext > is fascist :) everything zizek says seems to me to be both an exaggeration of the truth, and the truth itself (yes, i know that sentence makes no sense.) that's much of why i find him so him amusing and interesting - -- he's both ridiculous and wise. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:44:44 -0400 From: blatzman@aol.com Subject: new tunes Greetings Fegs! At last, I have a few new mixes I'd like to share. You've all always been so nice about listening to my music, and I welcome any comments! Please check out the new tunes at either myspace or facebook: Myspace www.myspace.com/davesantosmusic or, facebook www.facebook.com/pages/There-Goes-Bill/156930015504?ref=nf#/pages/There-Goes-Bill/156930015504?v=app_2405167945&viewas=1208144027&ref=nf Thanks much everyone!!!!! Blatzy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:19:22 -0400 From: David Stovall Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer somebody whose name was lost to a quick cheap cut and paste into this reply, said: >As other Fegs have concentrated on the 70s, let me offer some more recent suggestions. My first ever Neil Young CD was Freedom. It's hit & miss, but it's a good showcase for the diversity of styles Neil adapt, plus it has a few songs for eternity. Most of all I'm refering to "Rockin' In The Free World", but also to "Crime In The City" and "Eldorado". ... Crime in the City (Sixty to Zero, part 1) is great on the album, but way before Freedom was released (heh - that sounds redundant), Neil was doing the full version live. On the Ten Men Workin' tour (in 1988, for This Note's for You), it went on for a majestic twenty minutes, maybe more. I must have scoured every Neil release that I - and my college radio station - owned trying to find that damn song, only to find out months (or a year and some) later that it hadn't even been released. This was when I laid the needle down on the Freedom version _during my own radio show_ on the strength and progginess of the song title with the parenthetical subtitle and all. I've since acquired more than a handful of live recordings of that tour (including the show I saw, in Indianapolis), and that epic CitS(60-0,pt1) is as great as I remembered it. My other Neil recommendation: Ragged Glory (w/Crazy Horse) Just a damn meaty bunch of songs in a thick distortion sauce. Country Home isn't one of his most well-known tracks, but I freakin' love that guitar hook, and the lyrics are droll in a very Neil way. Play it loud. ("Crank "Live Rust" 'til the neighbors bleed,...") Oh, back on Cortez: I recently uploaded a Mike Keneally video where he covers that song very satisfyingly. It's still here on Dime: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=253504&hit=1 ...and the same track probably shows up on Youtube somewhere in lower quality. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:22:42 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" no, i agree with you that the system is at fault. this is why i had claimed before that any drug co. (or hospital, for that matter) CEO what got religion and decided to help society would very soon be collecting unemployment. <> i didn't say the correlation *proves* causation. but, knowing that these substances cause paralysis, the correlation certainly gives one grounds to suspect causation. <> my mistake. the graph shows not only DDT, but also "DDT-like" chemicals BHC, Arsenic, and Lead. <> you're not parsing correctly. possibly my fault; so allow me to rephrase. we know that for all other diseases, rapid declines began long before the introduction of vaccines. polio is the only case where it's even a close call. so, knowing that this is the only case where it's a close call, knowing that rapid decline began before vaccination even in this case, and seeing the correlation between production of DDT and -like chemicals, which are known to cause paralysis, and polio, doesn't it make more sense to suspect the latter as a cause, even in this one close-call case? hey, *you're* the one that listed all the warnings and side-effects of the meds you're currently taking. if the body manages to survive the onslaught of drugs, well, great. but fasting heals the disease without any risk of side-effects, and in close to 100% of cases (exceptions would be when organ damage is too extensive before fasting is begun -- cases in which the medical answer would be to remove surgically remove the organ, in other words). not to mention that living health-fully prevents the disease from occurring in the first place. knowing that, one has the right to *choose* to live health-fully or not. but, it should be common knowledge. you know as well as i do that they *did not* isolate the virus. they ground up the spinal cord of a human victim, mixed it with water, and injected large quantitites *directly into the monkeys' brains*. when this succeeded in paralysing and killing the poor fuckers, they called it good. well, let's have some citations. as we can see from the above, we'll need to have a look at what they *did* to know whether what they *concluded* had validity. <> you misunderstand. the analgous scenario would be that scientists were able to predict *when somebody would be exposed*. that's not what i'm saying, as you'll note from re-reading what i've written. look, *you're* the one the claims to know that exposure causes disease, even though this hasn't been demonstrated. claiming that exposure causes symptoms, but that it's not a black and white issue, but rather a matter of statistics; or that it causes symptoms unless there are "confounding factors"; or that it causes symptoms, but that there are uncertainties and probabilities; is not science, it's fucking balderdash. again, this is just logic. <> we know that some people who are exposed get sick, and some don't. we know that people get sick *without* having been exposed. we know that people who live healthfully never get sick, whether having been exposed or not. what's the evidence that "demnostrates that it is fact"? well, in the real world, those who live health-fully never get sick. and in those few societies that live health-fully, life expectancy is well past 100 -- and the people live *fully active lives* until the end of their days. this is a theoretically dubious proposition, too (at least to my way of thinking). an organism which tends to sickness is not one that is going to be evolutionarily successful. the hunza were not only living well past 100, they were *reproducing* into their 90s. i guess you've heard of carrel's chicken-heart experiment? he kept chicken-heart tissue alive for thirty-two years in a bath of water, changing out the water twice a day. it only died when an assistant forgot to change the water. <> uh, because *you're* the one who claimed that money has no effect upon policy. if you find yourself unable to support this position, then rather than getting all belligerent you ought to retract the assertion. i don't think those are *only* post-polio cases. according to wiki, post-polio affects about 30%-50% of survivors; yet that spike shows as many or more total cases as the 1950s spike. those spikes also correspond with increases in "DDT-like" chemcial production. but the spikes began with the beginning of the pesticide era. which also corresponds with the decline in production of the chemicals. they're sourced from official statistics. no -- the diseases were either entirely or almost entirely eradicated *before* the introductions of the vaccines. for what it's worth, the great majority of those opposed to vaccination accept the germ theory. don't know what you mean by "toalizing claims". if you're willing to clarify, i'll respond to this point. i agree that *that* doesn't invalidate the concept. i don't expect that they are, nor that you are. but it doesn't change the fact that the drug pushers make enormous profits, and are also very closely tied in with policy-makers. are they as aware of the dangers of their product as are the tobacco lords of theirs? are they aware of the ineffectiveness of their product? do they themselves accept the germ theory? don't know. but i don't think it's relevant. the point is that they don't *care* one way or the other. their job is to make profits, and they'll do what they can to see that they do. the best way to do that is, and always has been, to go running to the state. well, why not say that mishaps and animal encounters cause disease; and that germs cause injury? why not say that germs cause volcanic eruptions and the aurora borealis? why not say that the moon is made of cheese? the point of science is supposed to be to enhance our body of knowledge. not sure if it's your understanding that NH denies the *existence* of germs - -- this is most definitely *not* the case. the contention is that bechamp was right, and pasteur was wrong: that bacteria mutate to suit the needs of the environment (and, of course, that their population is a function of their food supply). that germs no more cause disease than flies cause dogshit. again, see for a treatment of the bechamp/pasteur debate i'll tell you what doesn't make sense to me. given that germs are claimed to cause disease, but *only* in susceptible subjects, why the mad propaganda fear-mongering over the latest killer-germ-du-jour? why not health *education*? why are governments spending billions of dollars on vaccines, rather than health *education*? well, it *does* make sense if one follows the money... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #218 ********************************