From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #217 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 11 2009 Volume 17 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Oblique Strategies widgets for OS X? ["John B. Jones" ] Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas [kevin studyvin ] Re: Cortez the Killer [kevin studyvin ] Re: Cortez the Killer [kevin studyvin ] Re: Cortez the Killer [kevin studyvin ] RE: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Oblique Strategies widgets for OS X? [Tom Clark ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Miles Goosens ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Great Quail ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Bret ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Christopher Gross ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Tom Clark ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas [lep ] Translation Party [Tom Clark ] Re: Translation Party [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Randall Riebe ] Re: Translation Party [FSThomas ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Translation Party [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Translation Party [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Translation Party [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Translation Party [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Translation Party ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Translation Party [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Cortez the Killer [Tom Clark ] Re: Cortez the Killer [kevin studyvin ] Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer [James Dignan ] Dang ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] =?UTF-8?Q?NEW=20on=20DiME:Very=20Cellular=20Songs=20=E2=80=93=2 0The=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?Music=20of=20the=20Incredible=20String=20Band=20=20Barbi?= [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:05:19 -0700 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Oblique Strategies widgets for OS X? Odd question: Does anyone have Eno's Oblique Strategies widgets for OS X? I had them on my computer, but recently reformatted, only to find that they are no longer out there on the internet. Copyright issues maybe? I dunno. But anyhow, I'd love to have them back again. If you have them or know where I can find them, please advise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:26:55 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas Tom Clark wrote: >On Aug 8, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: >> With the exception of Raising Arizona, I can see no reason to force >> myself to watch anything with Nic Cage in it. > >I was about to say "Truer words have never been written" and then I >remembered the following: >Birdy >Wild At Heart >Red Rock West >Adaptation ...I'm more mixed with Cage -- I don't mind most of what I decide of his to see (for example, "Knowing" was pretty OK)...but I DEFINITELY recommend "The Weather Man" (also filmed here in Chicago) -- very low key, but of emotional and intellectual content that I identified with (even as a non-parent, long-time orphan, and non-public figure)... Michael "Uh, no interest AT ALL in 'Ghost Rider'..." 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Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391:: T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:12:53 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Tom Clark wrote: > > >On Aug 8, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > >> With the exception of Raising Arizona, I can see no reason to force > >> myself to watch anything with Nic Cage in it. > > > >I was about to say "Truer words have never been written" and then I > > >remembered the following: > > >Birdy > >Wild At Heart > >Red Rock West > >Adaptation > > > > ...I'm more mixed with Cage -- I don't mind most of what I decide of his to > see (for example, "Knowing" was pretty OK)...but I DEFINITELY recommend > "The > Weather Man" (also filmed here in Chicago) -- very low key, but of > emotional > and intellectual content that I identified with (even as a non-parent, > long-time orphan, and non-public figure)... > > > > > > Michael "Uh, no interest AT ALL in 'Ghost Rider'..." Sweeney > Skeleton. Riding a motorcycle. On fire. Res ipsa loquitur. Vigorously attempting to encourage a dead horse / KS np: Fripp & Summers, I Advance Masked ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:21:43 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Great Quail wrote: > Cortex the Killer is my favorite Neil Young song. But the lyrics are a > hoot: > > "Hate was just a legend > And war was never known > The people worked together > And they lifted many stones." > > Ha ha ha! He's talking about the AZTECS! Everyone knows they are the most > asshole Civ to find on your goddamn map. > > --Quail > Cortex the Killer sounds like some Marvel Comics bad guy back when Jack Kirby ruled the roost... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:33:19 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, lep wrote: > >> when did they take "cortez the killer" off of "decade"? > > I was thinking the same thing. Where is it not on Decade? I've got vinyl & CD versions and they both have the tune on there. & I've looked in various download venues and I see Cortez (or Cortex) the Killer every place I look. Maybe you're dealing with a Spanish source? > > >> my favourite neil young album is (big surprise here) "to-night's the night." > > Yup. Over all, probably. Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere is a strong contender too. > >> >> ditch "harvest moon" for "harvest." > > They actually work pretty well mixed together. > > -tc Harvest Moon's way too comfy. If Jack Nitzsche were still among us it would seriously bolster his charge that Neil had gone bourgeois. Wd far rather have the original with its inescapable whiff of genuine early-seventies dread and despair. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:51:49 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Great Quail wrote: > Cortex the Killer is my favorite Neil Young song. But the lyrics are a hoot: > > "Hate was just a legend > And war was never known > The people worked together > And they lifted many stones." > > Ha ha ha! He's talking about the AZTECS! Everyone knows they are the most > asshole Civ to find on your goddamn map. > > --Quail Well, he's never claimed to be an intellectual. Actually there's something vaguely Lovecraftian about that tune. It occurs to me that someone so inclined could probably stick that tune together with "Inca Queen" and "Like an Inca" and generate some sort of crazy-ass video project. Maybe if you could rope James Koehnline in on it - http://tinyurl.com/nbrbto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:05:13 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas Kevin S. wrote: >On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: Tom Clark wrote: >On Aug 8, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: >> With the exception of Raising Arizona, I can see no reason to force >> myself to watch anything with Nic Cage in it. > >I was about to say "Truer words have never been written" and then I >remembered the following: >Birdy >Wild At Heart >Red Rock West >Adaptation ...I'm more mixed with Cage -- I don't mind most of what I decide of his to see (for example, "Knowing" was pretty OK)...but I DEFINITELY recommend "The Weather Man" (also filmed here in Chicago) -- very low key, but of emotional and intellectual content that I identified with (even as a non-parent, long-time orphan, and non-public figure)... Michael "Uh, no interest AT ALL in 'Ghost Rider'..." Sweeney >Skeleton. Riding a motorcycle. On fire. Res ipsa loquitur. ...Hmm - wonder if they did that with effects? Michael "Next, yer gonna tell me that Tommy Cruise CAN'T really ride a helicopter bubble in a train tunnel...sheesh!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:21:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Oblique Strategies widgets for OS X? I think I still have it on one of my systems at work. I'll check tomorrow. - -tc On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:05 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > Odd question: Does anyone have Eno's Oblique Strategies widgets for > OS X? I > had them on my computer, but recently reformatted, only to find that > they > are no longer out there on the internet. Copyright issues maybe? I > dunno. > But anyhow, I'd love to have them back again. If you have them or > know where > I can find them, please advise. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:24:24 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer - --On 10. August 2009 00:51:49 -0700 kevin studyvin wrote: >> Ha ha ha! He's talking about the AZTECS! Everyone knows they are the most >> asshole Civ to find on your goddamn map. >> >> --Quail > > Well, he's never claimed to be an intellectual. I think The Quail was kidding and not referring to the *actual* Aztecs, but rather to the way they are programmed in Civilization :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:35:18 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas - --On 9. August 2009 11:41:01 -0700 Tom Clark wrote: > On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> I don't know Valley Girl and for the rest see my reply to Tom. > > Valley Girl is totally rad!! OK, I can imagine it ... unfortunately it's never been released on DVD in Europe. It did have a theatrical release in Germany however, and you may(?) find it interesting that it was called "The Girl And The Hot Dude" in German :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:50:05 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer Hallo Jeremy, - -- Am 9. August 2009 um 20:11:00 -0400 schrieb Jeremy Osner : > Sebastian fragt leise: >> Which records of his do you know so far, so that we can help you along? > > Funny you should ask -- I've always thought of NY as an artist I was kind > of familiar with but I think the only records of his I really know are > Rust Never Sleeps and Decade. Oh and probably After the Gold Rush. I have > heard a bunch of tracks, as well, off Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere and > Harvest Moon. As other Fegs have concentrated on the 70s, let me offer some more recent suggestions. My first ever Neil Young CD was Freedom. It's hit & miss, but it's a good showcase for the diversity of styles Neil adapt, plus it has a few songs for eternity. Most of all I'm refering to "Rockin' In The Free World", but also to "Crime In The City" and "Eldorado". If you're into Pearl Jam at all, you should check out "Mirror Ball". It's not consistently great, but I love the band's sound (really perhaps my favorite of all bands Neil has played with) and there are great tracks on it. My favorite is "I'm The Ocean". - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:00:39 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer Lep ast, > when did they take "cortez the killer" off of decade? Oops, so "really know" means "listened to a lot in high school but have forgotten select tracks off of." You know what lyrics scan nicely to the tune of "Cortez the Killer"? "The Man Who Invented Himself", is what. Try it out. But be careful or you may be able to think of nothing else. J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:17:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:21 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Great Quail wrote: > >> Cortex the Killer is my favorite Neil Young song. > > Cortex the Killer sounds like some Marvel Comics bad guy back when Jack > Kirby ruled the roost... "Cortex the Killer" sounds like this: http://mog.com/music/Loud_Family/Days_for_Days/Cortex_the_Killer (Couldn't find an mp3 of the full song on short notice.) I'm surprised someone didn't beat me to mentioning that. Or maybe I'm overlooking where someone did. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:46:09 -0400 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer Sebastian writes, > I think The Quail was kidding and not referring to the *actual* Aztecs, but > rather to the way they are programmed in Civilization :) Oh, no, no. I was referring to both. The Aztecs were a pretty ruthless and violent civilization. I think it's funny that Neil Young romanticizes them with, "Hate was just a legend/And war was never known." Not a stanza I'd associate with the Aztecs. Or the Incans, for that matter. Not even the Mayans. (Maybe, just maybe the Czechs.) Now, don't get me wrong. I think that the aboriginal Americans should have consistently burned and destroyed every European ship that touched their shore, and then murdered every last man, woman, and child found on those ships. May not have changed anything in the long run, but still, who knows? Maybe there wouldn't be all these native Peruvian-looking guys playing pan flutes on the subway and delivering phoned-in burritos to my lily white ass. So, sure, Cortez, not a great guy, right. But that doesn't make the Aztecs the good guys, living in some prelapsarian state of bliss. In fact, one of the reason the Spanish were so relatively easy able to conquer them was that the neighboring cultures largely hated the Aztecs, and the Europeans could play them against each other. Kevin writes, > It occurs to me that > someone so inclined could probably stick that tune together with "Inca > Queen" and "Like an Inca" and generate some sort of crazy-ass video > project. Let's not forget Zappa's "Inca Roads." http://www.mp3lyrics.org/f/frank-zappa/inca/ - --Quailzecoatl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:08:08 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer someone said: > ditch "harvest moon" for "harvest." > > xo solid advice, no doubt. I'll admit my love for Young right here, a great songwriter, brilliant guitar player, and excellent presence on stage and in the studio. - -b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:16:59 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer - --On 9. August 2009 14:24:21 -0700 Carrie Galbraith wrote: >>> Archives are out, I'm on a major binge. Say what you will, Neil >>> Young is God. >>> > > I thought Robyn Hitchcock was God... > Who says you can have only one God? :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer The Aztecs can be nasty, but nothing they do has the emotional impact of getting your cities nuked by Mohandas K. Gandhi. > So, sure, Cortez, not a great guy, right. But that doesn't make the Aztecs > the good guys, living in some prelapsarian state of bliss. Isn't it just the same old story of a Westerner projecting whatever fantasies he wants onto a foreign culture he doesn't understand? Extra credit (10 pts): Discuss in relation to Edward Said's _Orientalism_. - --Chris ps: Actually it's *two* cultures he doesn't understand: the Aztecs, and the past. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:59:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > If you're into Pearl Jam at all, you should check out "Mirror Ball". > It's not consistently great, but I love the band's sound (really > perhaps my favorite of all bands Neil has played with) and there are > great tracks on it. My favorite is "I'm The Ocean". yup yup - good one. I'm surprised nobody has brought up the distinction between Neil Young albums and Neil Young & Crazy Horse albums. I'll alway buy a NY&CH album, but I have to closely evaluate a NY release before committing. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:18:45 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > > I'm surprised nobody has brought up the distinction between Neil Young > albums and Neil Young & Crazy Horse albums. I'll alway buy a NY&CH album, > but I have to closely evaluate a NY release before committing. > > Is there still a Neil Young and Crazy Horse? I thought this entity was an inhabitant of the past. Aren't all new albums by Neil Young "Neil Young releases"? J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:39:00 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Movies: Leaving Las Vegas Sebastian says: > --On 9. August 2009 11:41:01 -0700 Tom Clark wrote: > >> On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >>> I don't know Valley Girl and for the rest see my reply to Tom. >> >> Valley Girl is totally rad!! > > OK, I can imagine it ... unfortunately it's never been released on DVD in > Europe. It did have a theatrical release in Germany however, and you may(?) > find it interesting that it was called "The Girl And The Hot Dude" in German > :) to be honest, that might be a "fortunately" rather than "unfortunately". as much as i profess my love of "valley girl", i wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those movies that only works 20 years ago. "the girl and the hot dude" -- seriously? if that's the best they could do, i'm surprised the title wasn't already taken. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:52:21 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Translation Party http://translationparty.com/ Converts: My favourite buildings are all falling down. Seems like I dwell in a different town. But why should I bother with painting them brown when they'll all be pulled down in the end? To: Lost some of my favorite buildings. I like living in another town. Why, I Brown & drop, the last photo. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:58:13 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Translation Party I had heard of this but not checked it out yet. Seems like it might be fun to see how subtle differences in word order/choice of prepositions/etc. propagate out. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > http://translationparty.com/ > > Converts: > My favourite buildings are all falling down. > Seems like I dwell in a different town. > But why should I bother with painting them brown when they'll all be pulled > down in the end? > > To: > Lost some of my favorite buildings. > I like living in another town. > Why, I Brown & drop, the last photo. > > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Randall Riebe Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer sn't it just the same old story of a Westerner projecting whatever fantasies he wants onto a foreign culture he doesn't understand? Extra credit (10 pts): Discuss in relation to Edward Said's _Orientalism_. yes, ps: Actually it's *two* cultures he doesn't understand: the Aztecs, and the past. and yes Vince (who would have been an Aztec but didn't feel like walking any further. That land bridge is a BITCH) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:10:58 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Translation Party Tom Clark wrote: > http://translationparty.com/ > > Converts: > My favourite buildings are all falling down. > Seems like I dwell in a different town. > But why should I bother with painting them brown when they'll all be > pulled down in the end? > > To: > Lost some of my favorite buildings. > I like living in another town. > Why, I Brown & drop, the last photo. Ah, fun stuff. In: /Satellites and stags I'm growing Betsy in a bag And she don't mind As long as things are round/ Out: /Satellite Stags I have developed a bag of Betsy She's not concerned about A round-up / Done one line at a time. Doing the whole at once is mildly more entertaining: /I was round at her bag of satellite growth and Betsy, I do not care stags/ - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:20:37 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer >(who would have been an Aztec but didn't feel like walking any further.) But, but it's only two steps! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:27:29 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Translation Party - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 10. August 2009 10:52:21 -0700 regarding Translation Party: > http://translationparty.com/ Sometimes I wish I was a pretty girl -> Sometimes I have a daughter I guess it would be even more fun if you understood Japanese. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:33:19 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Translation Party - -- Sebastian Hagedorn is rumored to have mumbled on 10. August 2009 20:27:29 +0200 regarding Re: Translation Party: > -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 10. August > 2009 10:52:21 -0700 regarding Translation Party: > >> http://translationparty.com/ > > Sometimes I wish I was a pretty girl -> Sometimes I have a daughter > > I guess it would be even more fun if you understood Japanese. My favorite so far (and I'll stop now, promise!): Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords -> Everyone is really Senate - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:43:26 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Translation Party The ragman draws circles up and down the block ===> Clothing stores, used to divide the world of the block ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:44:41 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Translation Party (Actually one of the intermediate steps is a little more fun: "The clothing store that used to divide the world of the block") On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > The ragman draws circles up and down the block ===> Clothing stores, used > to divide the world of the block ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:47:34 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Translation Party In: /When I hear the word "Democracy" I reach for my headphones/ Out: /My word "democracy", I reach the ear headphones/ In: /When I hear the word "Security" I reach for my shotgun/ Out: /My word, "me" is to a ring of security shotgun/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:54:34 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Translation Party But, awesome: If you ask for "Well the ragman draws circles up and down the block", Translation Party chews on it for a while and reports, "It is doubtful that this phrase will ever reach equilibrium." Comes up with some nice mots along the way, e.g. "Is a world of good used clothing store a block partitioning?" On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > (Actually one of the intermediate steps is a little more fun: "The clothing > store that used to divide the world of the block") > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> The ragman draws circles up and down the block ===> Clothing stores, used >> to divide the world of the block ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:54:58 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > >> >> I'm surprised nobody has brought up the distinction between Neil >> Young >> albums and Neil Young & Crazy Horse albums. I'll alway buy a NY&CH >> album, >> but I have to closely evaluate a NY release before committing. >> >> Is there still a Neil Young and Crazy Horse? I thought this entity >> was an > inhabitant of the past. Aren't all new albums by Neil Young "Neil > Young > releases"? > Show how out of touch I am - the last Crazy Horse studio album was in 1996! I guess that explains why I haven't bought one of his albums in a while. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:29:38 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Tom Clark wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm surprised nobody has brought up the distinction between Neil Young >>> albums and Neil Young & Crazy Horse albums. I'll alway buy a NY&CH >>> album, >>> but I have to closely evaluate a NY release before committing. >>> >>> Is there still a Neil Young and Crazy Horse? I thought this entity was an >> >> inhabitant of the past. Aren't all new albums by Neil Young "Neil Young >> releases"? >> > > Show how out of touch I am - the last Crazy Horse studio album was in 1996! > I guess that explains why I haven't bought one of his albums in a while. Are we not counting Greendale? Though in the interests of full disclosure, I haven't bothered to check that one out yet - the last new title of Neil's I went for was Chrome Dreams II and before that Living With War, and before that it was Year Of the Horse. Mostly I found Silver & Gold enough of a snoozefest that I've been kind of wary of subsequent projects. But line me up with the crowd who wants more of the Horse... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:42:53 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Subject: Re: Cortez the Killer There';s also a good cover of Cortez the Killer on The Church's covers album, "Box of Birds". Good album , with some very strange (i.e., good, unexpected) choices for covers - their version of the monkeees' "Porpoise Song" is great, for instance. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:02:53 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Dang new levon helm is *excellent*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:45:12 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?NEW=20on=20DiME:Very=20Cellular=20Songs=20=E2=80=93=2 0The=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?Music=20of=20the=20Incredible=20String=20Band=20=20Barbi?= http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=261603 Very Cellular Songs b The Music of the Incredible String Band Barbican, London Sunday 19th July 2009 The performers: Mike Heron Cliver Palmer Georgia Seddon Dr Strangely Strange (Tim Goulding, Ivan Pawle, Tim Booth, Joe Thoma) Trembling Bells (Lavinia Blackwell, Alex Nielson, Ben Reynolds, Simon Shaw, Hanna) Scritti Politti (Green Gartside & Rhodri Marsden) Robyn Hitchcock (who doubled as overall bandleader where needed) Richard Thompson Kami (Camilla) Thompson Alasdair Roberts Abigail Washburn Bernard O'Neill (bassist, standing in for Danny Thompson, who had a family crisis) Alistair Caplin. Georgia and Dr Strangely Strange did a free set each in the foyer beforehand. Set01. Georgia Seddon: 01. Shackled and Bound 02. Revive 03. Snow 04. A Leaf Must Fall 05. My Song 06. Alice is a Long Time Gone 07. Moment 08. We are the Stars Set02. Dr Strangely Strange: (1-5 as the four-piece, 6-8 with Joe Fawcett on bass & Paul Dufour on drums): 01. Intro 02. Invisible Kid 03. Horse of a Different Hue 04. Strangely Strange but Oddly Normal 05. Donnybrook Fair 06. Piece of Cod 07. Sign on my Mind 08. We Were Young Set03. The main show. First half: 01. When the Music Starts to Play - full cast 02. Joe Boyd introduction 03. Way Back in the 1960s - Hitchcock (guitar, lead vocal), R Thompson (guitar vocal), O'Neill (bass) 04. Painting Box - K Thompson (vocal), R Thompson (guitar), O'Neill (bass) 05. Swift as the Wind - Washburn (kid vocal & banjo) & Hitchcock (parent vocal & guitar), O'Neill (bass, bowed) 06. Empty Pocket Blues - Palmer (lead vocal, guitar), Heron (guitar, vocal), + Tim Goulding (whistle) 07. My Name is Death - Roberts (guitar, vocal), O'Neill (bass) 08. Dust Be Diamonds - Gartside (guitar, vocal) & K Thompson (electric guitar, vocal), Marsden (keyboard) 09. October Song - R Thompson (guitar, vocal) 10. Mike Heron Chats 11. Chinese White - Heron (guitar, lead vocal), Seddon (keyboard, vocal), Hitchcock (guitar, vocal), + Joe Thoma from the Strangelies on fiddle 12. Air - Dr Strangely Strange with Green Gartside 13. Greatest Friend - Trembling Bells 14. Feast of Stephen - Heron (guitar, lead vocal), Hitchcock (guitar, vocal), Seddon (keyboard, vocal), Washburn (vocal), R Thompson (guitar), O'Neill (bass), Caplin (fiddle) + lead singer & drummer from TB Set04. The main show. Second half: 01. Joe Boyd introduction 02. The Circle is Unbroken - Heron (keyboard, lead vocal), Seddon (keyboard, vocal), Caplin (fiddle) 03. "A tune from my grandparents' time" (= the N-tune) - Palmer (banjo) 04. Good as Gone - Washburn (banjo, vocal) 05. Cold Days of February - Trembling Bells 06. Cousin Caterpillar - Dr Strangely Strange (Ivan Pawle on lead vocal) with Trembling Bells, R Thompson (guitar) 07. First Girl Loved - Hitchcock (guitar, lead vocal), R Thompson (guitar vocal), O'Neill (bass) 08. God Dog - Gartside (lead vocal), Marsden (keyboard, playing what sounded like the actual Dolly Collins arrangement), K Thompson (vocal), drummer from TB 09. Maya - Roberts (lead vocal on verses, guitar), Hitchcock (guitar, lead vocal on chorus), Washburn (vocal & banjo on chorus) 10. Log Cabin Home in the Sky - R Thompson (lead vocal, guitar), Washburn (banjo, vocal), Caplin (fiddle), Thoma (fiddle), O'Neill (bass) 11. A Very Cellular Song - full company led by Seddon (organ) & Hitchcock (conducting, guitar), with vocals in turn from Roberts ("Winter was cold..."), Washburn ("Lay down..."), TB lead singer ("Who would lose...), Seddon ("Who would come..."), Hitchcock ("Nebulous nearnesses..."), Gartside ("Who would mouse..."), K Thompson ("Who would skip..."), Palmer ("Amoebas..."), Heron (the rest); Washburn square-danced through the finale, and Rose Simpson slipped on stage to join the Strangelies (but didn't appear to sing). Clive seemed to be playing sitar. Encores: 12. Nightfall - Hitchcock (guitar, vocal) 13. Everything's Fine Right Now - Heron & company, with a verse from Roberts (and a bit where someone else was supposed to come in on "you don't have to sing" but missed their cue). Rose did join in the chorus, albeit a long way from the mike. With thanks to Nick L. for the detailed information given above. Recording details: Taper: BlackBoB Location: front row, slightly right of centre Taping Gear: Zoom H2, rear internal mics, gain set at low, 16bit/44.1kHz mode Transfer: Zoom H2>USB cable>PC>Cdwave>Flac8(TLH) Audio enhancement applied by Neuthorduo. Some editing of the applause was necessary to the last set to enable it to fit onto an 80 minute CDR. Please support the artists by purchasing their recordings and going to their gigs. my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #217 ********************************