From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #214 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 7 2009 Volume 17 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: "Follow The Money" [Christopher Gross ] Re: WWEAD? (What Would Eb's Ass Do?) [kevin studyvin ] Metal Machine Music: Groaning Galactic Refrigerator [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Robyn in the PacNo [Tom Clark ] Re: "Follow The Money" [2fs ] Re: Robyn in the PacNo [vivien lyon ] Re: WWEAD? (What Would Eb's Ass Do?) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: new project? [James Dignan ] Re: The eighties will never die. [kevin studyvin ] Re: new project? [kevin studyvin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [lep ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 [lep ] REAP [Jeremy Osner ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [Great Quail ] Tentacule [Jeremy Osner ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [Christopher Gross ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [2fs ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [Bret ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [2fs ] REAP [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: REAP: John Hughes [kevin studyvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:20:41 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Budd Schulberg, 95 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > > it's way time-consuming. but i'll work on responses when i'm able... It *is* time-consuming, and probably time-wasting too, as no one involved is likely to change their mind. So I suppose the real question is, which one of us is going to wise up first? > because they fail to recognize that post polio syndrome occurs in people > who had previously contracted polio decades before and is NOT a new > infection. Thus the graph actually *supports* the idea that new polio > infections drastically declined after the vaccine was widespread!> > > the page discusses this: it tracks with the re-introduction of DDT into the > marketplace. Which doesn't affect my point. Before the vaccine, the graph is tracking polio cases. After the vaccine, the graph is tracking POST-polio, a syndrome experienced by people who first contracted polio decades earlier. Before the mid-50s, the graph shows lots of new infections; after the mid-50s, no new infections, only old ones having complications. So for some reason, DDT could only cause new infections before the vaccine became near-universal. In short, the graph as shown is completely compatible with the idea that the vaccine stopped new infections from occurring. > vaccine.> > > but the decline began *before* the introduction of the vaccine. There was a decline before the introduction of the vaccine because the outbreak circa 1951-53 was dying down, just as previous outbreaks died down. See all the spikes and troughs on the graph? The significant fact is that after ca. 1960, there are no more spikes. (As stated above, the spike of POST-polio syndrome does not represent new infections.) > check also > the graph at the bottom of the page, and note there the striking > correlation between DDT production and polio. coupling this with *every > one* of the other diseases, which were unambiguously either entirely or > almost entirely eradicated *before* the introduction of a vaccine; how is > the conclusion that vaccines are either ineffective or unnecessary anything > other than obvious? > > not asking this rhetorically. as i say, if somebody will explain to me how > it is that i may be misinterpreting the data, i'd be more than willing to > listen. First, I 'm rather skeptical about the data in those graphs being accurate to start with, or presented clearly and honestly. Admittedly more research is needed on that score. Second: many diseases (though not polio or smallpox) were fought with a combination of both sanitation and vaccination. Sanitation reduced the number of germs people were exposed to, then vaccines rendered people more resistant to the germs. The importance of one doesn't make the other unimportant. No one who believes in vaccines denies that other measures also helped; it's only the NH believers who (apparently) turn it into a simplistic choice between candidates for sole solution to all health problems. > < clockwork", prevent disease in all who take them; and drugs are supposed > to, "like clockwork", cure disease in all who eat them. no "generalities" > and "probabilities" here?>> > > > > i've already coneded the point with regards to drugs. i'd thought that > vaccines were a one-size-fits-all deal, both in terms of frequency and > dosage? if not, then, apologies. Not exactly. You're right that everyone might get the same dosage of a certain vaccine. But no one is claiming that all vaccines or drugs work for all people or that anything is "like clockwork." Probabilities are in fact the very heart of the matter. Which, IMHO, fits the messy real world of biology better than the totalizing claims of NH (or what little I've heard of NH). > but of course, this bolsters the more important point: the medical industry > has no fucking idea whatsoever how to "cure" or prevent disease. yet it > uses the population as its guinea pigs. thousands upon thousands of whom > are each year illed and killed using its products in the prescribed manner. > and they're laughing all the way to the fucking bank. > . Note that NONE of the drugs in that article are either vaccines or antibiotics, the types of drugs we've been talking about. I'll readily agree that there is corruption at work, and that big pharma sells lots of unnecessary or even harmful drugs along with the good ones. That does not invalidate the very concept of medicine, any more than the Twinkie invalidates the concept of food. BTW, germ theory is also accepted by biologists who study wild animals and plants. Are they too brainwashed by the pharma corporations, who have no financial interest in their researches? > They are an application of germ theory, not its proof. If, *IF* the > application fails> > > but why do you say "If, *IF*"? has it ever *not* failed? Yes, that's my understanding. Marc just posted on this so I'll defer to him. In general, I don't see why NH even has to deny the possibility of germs causing disease. It's kind of like denying that falls or fires or angry bears can hurt people even if they live healthy lives. Wouldn't it make more sense to say that, sure, germs exist, as scientists universally agree; but leading a healthy life will increase your germ resistance as well as protect you from non-germy diseases? But then, lots of things don't make sense to me. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:12:11 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: WWEAD? (What Would Eb's Ass Do?) > Oops - I'm gushing. Must be due to my head being deep in film books > right now for an essay I am trying to write. I am dreaming film these > days... > But would you rather be doing that, or vice versa? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:47:55 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: The eighties will never die. On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > The eighties will never die. Unfortunately. Our local PBS station showed the American Masters about Neil Young last night. I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that he liked lots of eighties music. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:58:22 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Metal Machine Music: Groaning Galactic Refrigerator http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/Article/Metal-Machine-Music-Groaning-Gal actic-Refrigerator.html?utm_source=CD&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=YYMMDD my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:50:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn in the PacNo On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John B. Jones wrote: > Hey fegs - > > I know there are some plans in the works for various fegs to travel > to the > October 8th Portland gig. > > Unfortunately I'll be in Boston that night, but I come home the next > day. > > Just wondering if these travelling fegs might be thinking of also > taking in > the Seattle show on the 10th?? Cuz that's something I'd like to be a > part > of. > > Let me know! Our plane tix are for Portland only (10/8-10/11) so we're unable to make the Seattle gig. Perhaps dinner on Friday the 9th? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:26:32 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: > It's kind of like denying that falls or fires or angry bears can hurt > people even if they live healthy lives. I am strong! I am invincible! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:38:47 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Robyn in the PacNo May I suggest a sushi dinner at Saburo's and some after-dinner entertainment and beverages at The Woods? I'm making inquiries about getting Robyn here for a late-night secret show, hopefully that'll pan out. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John B. Jones wrote: > > Hey fegs - >> >> I know there are some plans in the works for various fegs to travel to the >> October 8th Portland gig. >> >> Unfortunately I'll be in Boston that night, but I come home the next day. >> >> Just wondering if these travelling fegs might be thinking of also taking >> in >> the Seattle show on the 10th?? Cuz that's something I'd like to be a part >> of. >> >> Let me know! >> > > Our plane tix are for Portland only (10/8-10/11) so we're unable to make > the Seattle gig. Perhaps dinner on Friday the 9th? > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:38:38 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: WWEAD? (What Would Eb's Ass Do?) - -- Carrie Galbraith is rumored to have mumbled on 6. August 2009 15:07:06 -0700 regarding Re: WWEAD? (What Would Eb's Ass Do?): > We are talking the original "Wages of Fear" right? The french production > with Yves Montand? Yup. > The remake was OK I didn't even know about the remake until a few days ago. > but the original - stunning! The > scene where he's sitting in the cab of one of the trucks and is rolling a > cigarette - it's pure cinema. I saw it first as a 16 mm projection, I believe, at a screening by the local church when I was a teen. I'm not baptized, but back then I loved all social activities, so I was a member of both the Catholic and the protestant youth groups :) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:07:19 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 >James >grutness@slingshot.co.nz> says: >> FWIW, There are several Eno ambient albums designed to be looped- If you set >> up two compatible albums with slightly different lengths to each repeat >> continuously on a different CD player/computer/whatever and play them >> simultaneously, you will get a close to endless series of variations on a >> theme. (two very quiet ones work best, in fact it's the best use for things >> like "Neroli" and "Thursday afternoon" which are a bit bland otherwise) > >interesting; i hadn't heard that was eno's design for some of his >work. "thursday afternoon" is one of my favourite eno albums, but it >just gets played by itself. > >i like bland things. Some of Eno's albums were originally for art installations. he'd set them up in multiple copies on multiple players, each offsaet by a random amount, so that as you walked around the installation you'd get different overlaid tracks in different parts of the art space. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:07:02 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: new project? >So there's always been at least a hint of proggishness to Robyn's work (some >of the spacy instrumentals circa Invisible, things like "You'll Have to Go >Sideways" in 7/4, etc.) - but now comes news he's doing a full-on prog >collaboration, with Bill Bruford. > >It'll be called "Gradually Going Tomato." If this is kosher, then I am doubly happy. Not just more Hitchcock, but it means that Bruford's been lured out of retirement! Yippee! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:52:19 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: The eighties will never die. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > The eighties will never die. Unfortunately. >> > > > Our local PBS station showed the American Masters about Neil Young last > night. I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that he liked lots of eighties > music. > Yeah, but he's, you know, insane. Or maybe it's Asperger's or something. In the interest of full disclosure, I actually liked both Life and Landing On Water, and some of Trans (mostly "Inca Queen"). And there was an Austin City Limits with the Old Ways band that's just wonderful. I have it on an ancient VHS tape somewhere - should try to find that one of these days. Letterman will be repeating the Joaquin Phoenix show tomorrow, which is kool because I still haven't seen it. On the other hand Zooey Deschanel is on Ferguson's show tonite and I can't see it since I can't stay awake any more... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:56:28 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: new project? On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM, James Dignan wrote: > So there's always been at least a hint of proggishness to Robyn's work >> (some >> of the spacy instrumentals circa Invisible, things like "You'll Have to Go >> Sideways" in 7/4, etc.) - but now comes news he's doing a full-on prog >> collaboration, with Bill Bruford. >> >> It'll be called "Gradually Going Tomato." >> > > If this is kosher, then I am doubly happy. Not just more Hitchcock, but it > means that Bruford's been lured out of retirement! Yippee! > > James > <> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:01:42 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM, James Dignan wrote: > James >grutness@slingshot.co.nz> says: >> >>> FWIW, There are several Eno ambient albums designed to be looped- If you >>> set >>> up two compatible albums with slightly different lengths to each repeat >>> continuously on a different CD player/computer/whatever and play them >>> simultaneously, you will get a close to endless series of variations on >>> a >>> theme. (two very quiet ones work best, in fact it's the best use for >>> things >>> like "Neroli" and "Thursday afternoon" which are a bit bland otherwise) >>> >> >> interesting; i hadn't heard that was eno's design for some of his >> work. "thursday afternoon" is one of my favourite eno albums, but it >> just gets played by itself. >> >> i like bland things. >> > > Some of Eno's albums were originally for art installations. he'd set them > up in multiple copies on multiple players, each offsaet by a random amount, > so that as you walked around the installation you'd get different overlaid > tracks in different parts of the art space. > > James > I've discovered that you can do that with our local PBS station - you can get the normal signal on the radio, then the repeat carried by our local cable company, and then the live stream from their site. They're all out of synch by a second or two. Creates just enough cognitive dissonance to give me the giggles, but it drives my wife nuts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:07:19 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes Jason says: > wow, i was just reading about this documentary this morning: > http://www.dontyouforgetaboutmethemovie.com/ i just last weekend rented, and even watched, "the breakfast club." i still loved it, but, granted, i'm not all that mature. i'm still more allison (ally sheedy) than claire (molly ringwald). although ty's brother bryan has a theory that everyone dances in the style of one of the characters in "the breakfast club" and, as far as that goes, i go in the claire pigeon hole. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:11:09 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 kevin says: > I've discovered that you can do that with our local PBS station - you can > get the normal signal on the radio, then the repeat carried by our local > cable company, and then the live stream from their site. They're all out of > synch by a second or two. Creates just enough cognitive dissonance to give > me the giggles, but it drives my wife nuts. now this is Art. xo p.s. i'm being serious. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:23:31 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: REAP Xyris Software -- the company at which I worked my first full-time computer programming job -- has shut its doors after 8 years or so of hanging on by a thumbnail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:22:29 -0400 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes Kevin writes, > The eighties will never die. Unfortunately. Oh, easy there, chief. While they may have been rough on hairstyles and women's fashion, the 1980s were a very good decade, musically speaking, for Fegmania. Let's not write off a decade that brought us some amazing albums from Robyn, XTC, REM, the Smiths, the Talking Heads, et al. Punk and American hardcore were also worth a few legwarmers, too, from the late Clash to the Dead Kennedys. We had Iron Maiden, Slayer, Metallica, and Megadeth, too. The flowering of industrial music from Neubauten to Laibach. And speaking as a prog rock enthusiast -- aside from two great Rush albums, the entire European "Rock In Opposition" movement flourished in the 1980s: Univers Zero, Etron Fou Leloublan, Art Zoyd, etc. And some great films, too, from the likes of David Lynch, Wim Wenders, Peter Greenaway, Martin Scorsese... Ok. I will admit. I also like day-glo colors. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:11:23 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Tentacule John Holbo designed a font for his story about Squid and Owl: http://examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2009/08/squid-owl-fun-font-facts.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:50:53 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #212 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:11 AM, lep wrote: > kevin says: > > I've discovered that you can do that with our local PBS station - you can > > get the normal signal on the radio, then the repeat carried by our local > > cable company, and then the live stream from their site. They're all out > of > > synch by a second or two. Creates just enough cognitive dissonance to > give > > me the giggles, but it drives my wife nuts. > > now this is Art. > > xo > > p.s. i'm being serious. > Ya think I could get a grant to pursue my research in this exciting new field of cultural production? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:59:51 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Great Quail wrote: > Kevin writes, > > > The eighties will never die. Unfortunately. > > Oh, easy there, chief. While they may have been rough on hairstyles and > women's fashion, the 1980s were a very good decade, musically speaking, for > Fegmania. > > Let's not write off a decade that brought us some amazing albums from > Robyn, > XTC, REM, the Smiths, the Talking Heads, et al. Punk and American hardcore > were also worth a few legwarmers, too, from the late Clash to the Dead > Kennedys. We had Iron Maiden, Slayer, Metallica, and Megadeth, too. The > flowering of industrial music from Neubauten to Laibach. And speaking as a > prog rock enthusiast -- aside from two great Rush albums, the entire > European "Rock In Opposition" movement flourished in the 1980s: Univers > Zero, Etrosicn Fou Leloublan, Art Zoyd, etc. > > And some great films, too, from the likes of David Lynch, Wim Wenders, > Peter > Greenaway, Martin Scorsese... > > Ok. I will admit. I also like day-glo colors. > I'll give you the Greenaway (what happened to that guy?), film in general, and lots of music (let's not forget X and the Banshees and my beloved Psychedelic Furs). On the other hand you get Reagan/Bush and the birth of contemporary America with Reagan's systematic dismantling of the social support structure constructed by the New Dealers under Roosevelt as part of a general assault on on the middle class and working class Americans. The orgy of mergers & acquisitions that did away with Artemis only knows how many jobs. The beginning of corporate offshoring, also as part of the assault in working people. And the wave of bank failures (remember Silverado? How come nobody ever mentions Neil Bush any more?) and blah blah blah... Also, as you mentioned, a lot of bad hair and worse clothes. And let's not forget those terrible synth patches, and the orgy of gated drums bequeathed us by Phil Collins. And the creative decline of my man Frank Zappa. And we must never forget the horror that was Miami Vice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:43:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, kevin studyvin wrote: > And we must never forget the horror that was Miami Vice. But without Miami Vice, there would be no Grand Theft Auto - Vice City! There's always a silver lining. As it happens, I was outside just an hour or so ago and saw a guy (not a student) wearing a Miami Vice t-shirt. - --Chris np: Lamb of God, _Ashes of the Wake_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:50:46 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > Also, as you mentioned, a lot of bad hair and worse clothes. And let's not > forget those terrible synth patches, and the orgy of gated drums bequeathed > us by Phil Collins. > Much as I'd love to blame Collins for any and everything, that sound showed up earlier than Collins' work (although he and Steve Lillywhite & Hugh Padgham did much to popularize it). Arguably, it first showed up in..."Sound and Vision" by David Bowie. Of course, there are those who'd point to most of Bowie's '80s as another sign of the decade's bankruptcy... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:02:49 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes Someone said: > Oh, easy there, chief. While they may have been rough on hairstyles and > women's fashion, the 1980s were a very good decade, musically speaking, for > Fegmania. > > Let's not write off a decade that brought us some amazing albums from > Robyn, > XTC, REM, the Smiths, the Talking Heads, et al. Punk and American hardcore > were also worth a few legwarmers, too, from the late Clash to the Dead > Kennedys. We had Iron Maiden, Slayer, Metallica, and Megadeth, too. The > flowering of industrial music from Neubauten to Laibach. And speaking as a > prog rock enthusiast -- aside from two great Rush albums, the entire > European "Rock In Opposition" movement flourished in the 1980s: Univers > Zero, Etron Fou Leloublan, Art Zoyd, etc. Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Pixies, TMBG, Pixies, The 'Mats, Pixies, Some record called 'Underwater Moonlight, I'm your Man, Violent Femmes, Pixies, Husker Du, Minutemen, Pixies, Joy Division, Tom Waits, Sonic Youth.... Not to mention the Pixies. - -b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:27:36 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Aug 7, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Bret wrote: > Someone said: > > >> Oh, easy there, chief. While they may have been rough on >> hairstyles and >> women's fashion, the 1980s were a very good decade, musically >> speaking, for >> Fegmania. >> >> Let's not write off a decade that brought us some amazing albums from >> Robyn, >> XTC, REM, the Smiths, the Talking Heads, et al. Punk and American >> hardcore >> were also worth a few legwarmers, too, from the late Clash to the >> Dead >> Kennedys. We had Iron Maiden, Slayer, Metallica, and Megadeth, >> too. The >> flowering of industrial music from Neubauten to Laibach. And >> speaking as a >> prog rock enthusiast -- aside from two great Rush albums, the entire >> European "Rock In Opposition" movement flourished in the 1980s: >> Univers >> Zero, Etron Fou Leloublan, Art Zoyd, etc. > > > > > Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Pixies, TMBG, Pixies, The 'Mats, Pixies, > Some > record called 'Underwater Moonlight, I'm your Man, Violent Femmes, > Pixies, > Husker Du, Minutemen, Pixies, Joy Division, Tom Waits, Sonic Youth.... > > > Not to mention the Pixies. > Seems to me I got myself through the overly angst ridden art school years that dominated that decade with little sleep and headphones while in the studio. I am still fond of Robyn, U2, Nick Cave, Dead Can Dance, Joy Division, Skinny Puppy and Blade Runner. And yes, the Pixies. Of course long heavy coats, army surplus boots and hair short on one side and long on the other with a perpetual bad attitude - that was just art school, right? - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:03:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Bret wrote: > > Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Pixies, TMBG, Pixies, The 'Mats, Pixies, Some > record called 'Underwater Moonlight, I'm your Man, Violent Femmes, Pixies, > Husker Du, Minutemen, Pixies, Joy Division, Tom Waits, Sonic Youth.... I approve of this list...except I never did get the appeal of Jane's Addiction (beyond, that is, their obvious appeal to angsty teens who thought heroin was cool). Perry Farrell's voice sounded like a chihuahua with his tail caught in a deep fryer, and though I'll acknowledge Dave Navarro knew his way around a guitar neck, there was always something a little facile about his stuff. Maybe I got the feeling he was able to practice guitar endless hours only because he was staring longingly at himself in the mirror the whole time. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:05:56 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: REAP Willy De Ville, 55 or 58 - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:10:05 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP: John Hughes On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Bret wrote: > > > > > Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Pixies, TMBG, Pixies, The 'Mats, Pixies, Some > > record called 'Underwater Moonlight, I'm your Man, Violent Femmes, > Pixies, > > Husker Du, Minutemen, Pixies, Joy Division, Tom Waits, Sonic Youth.... > > > I approve of this list...except I never did get the appeal of Jane's > Addiction (beyond, that is, their obvious appeal to angsty teens who > thought > heroin was cool). Perry Farrell's voice sounded like a chihuahua with his > tail caught in a deep fryer, and though I'll acknowledge Dave Navarro knew > his way around a guitar neck, there was always something a little facile > about his stuff. Maybe I got the feeling he was able to practice guitar > endless hours only because he was staring longingly at himself in the > mirror > the whole time. > But why speak of the Janes in the past tense when they're up & running again with the original lineup intact (at least until Perry has another flare-up of his problem with gigantism of the ego)? Naw, I always loved those boys in spite of their obnoxiousness - if not because of it. Possibly because "Jane Says" reminds me forcefully of an old girlfriend. As to the question of heroin's irresistible coolness, there's been at least one generation of Keith Richards fans who had the same problem. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #214 ********************************