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fegmaniax-digest         Friday, July 31 2009         Volume 17 : Number 207



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Cracking cheese, Gromit!          [James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>]
  REAP                                    [Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com>]
  Re: "Follow The Money"                 [Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwu.edu>]
  Re: Cracking cheese, Gromit!                [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Join my Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football league         [munki1972@yahoo.com]
  Re: Join my Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football league  ["Stewart C. Russell" <]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #206    ["Bri N" <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com>]
  Blu-ray                                 [Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com>]
  Re: Blu-ray                                      [Bret <bretley@gmail.com>]
  Re: Blu-ray                                   [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: Blu-ray                          [kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #206        [kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>]
  Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@sp]
  Re: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre  [Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmai]
  Re: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedor]

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:10:26 +1200
From: James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>
Subject: Cracking cheese, Gromit!

All the news that's pit to frint:

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/8175347.stm>

James
- -- 
    James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand  <http://www.grutness.co.nz>
    -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
    =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
    -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
    .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:25:41 -0400
From: Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com>
Subject: REAP

http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com/2009/07/war-isnt-worth-one-life.html

REAP Harry Patch, last living WWI vet to have seen trench combat; he said he
believed that war is not worth one life; that "War is a calculated and
condoned slaughter of human beings" -- here he is at 109 years old,
revisiting Passchendaele: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7peTBVprtY

J

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:26:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Follow The Money"

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote:

> <As I understand it that's true of some diseases, such as cholera, but NOT
> diptheria, whooping cough or polio.>
>
> that's not at all what i'm seeing.  maybe you could explain how you think
> it is that i'm mis-reading these graphs?  or point to some more up-to-date
> ones?

I missed the graphs the first time around. Could you point me to them 
again?  Assuming you're still posting on this topic.  While too lazy to 
trawl the archives to find every link you posted earlier, I'm definitely 
interested in seeing what these graphs say, and what sources back them up. 
Everything I've ever read or heard about these diseases, especially polio, 
agrees that the major reductions in these diseases came after vaccines or 
antibiotics were introduced.

> <So what exactly are these postulates that germ theory fails to satisfy?>
>
> <URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates>.

Koch's postulates are just guidelines to determining if a particular germ 
causes a particular disease.  They are NOT the proof behind germ theory. 
(As the source you cite makes clear.)  If a germ fails Koch's postulates, 
then at most that proves that that germ doesn't cause that disease, not 
that germ theory itself is wrong.

> yes, that's right: break the laws of nature, and consequences will ensue.
> as much as we may want to blame the booger man, or the evil germs, we're
> responsible for our own health.

You think germ theory somehow undermines the idea that we're responsible 
for our own health?  Not at all.

> <That's why I've never lived in a country without socialized medicine,
> Eddie. You might as well move to Kano, where they believe that vaccinations
> are western control conspiracies, and now the Kano strain of polio is
> endemic in many countries religiously connected with Nigeria.>
>
> you know as well as i that the issue in the third world is malnutrition and
> inability to access clean water.

If that's the only issue, and vaccines are irrelevant or harmful, then 
isn't it a remarkable coincidence that polio just happened to pick up in 
the areas where vaccination rates went down, and not in other, equally or 
more impoverished and malnourished areas?

> <(I mean, c'mon: *polio*. We fucken kicked that one in the 1950s: gleaming
> iron lungs are so passe.>
>
> yes, we did.  long before the vaccine arrived.

Again, I'm still looking forward to seeing those graphs.  Everything I've 
ever read up til now says that the biggest polio outbreak in US history 
happened in the early 1950s, shortly before the vaccine came out.

> the formulators set about attempting to satisfy the postulates empirically,
> but were unable to do so.  so, they weakened the theory...then virus theory
> was introduced...then immune theory...  now, as i say, we're told that the
> subject must be "susceptible".  so, there's your moving of the goalpoasts,
> for ya.

Your "moving goalposts" are refinements of the theory, and I'd be 
suspicious of a theory that *wasn't* massively refined over the past 150 
years, especially in a field as wonderfully complicated as biology.  And 
again, Koch's postulates are just a tool that was used in studying germs, 
NOT NOT NOT the proof underlining germ theory.

> luckily enough, though, with each iteration, the solution was always the
> same: eat more of our drugs, and/or have more of our surgeries.

Really, if the drug manufacturers and for-profit doctors were just making 
all this shit up, vaccines would be a pretty pointless trick for them to 
pull.  Aside from the annual flu vaccine, usually one or two relatively 
cheap shots are supposed to last the patient for years, even life.  If you 
really want to vaccuum the patient's bank account, the way to go is to 
develop expensive treatments that must be taken continuously for life, a 
la hypertension drugs.  But I guess the people smart enough to manipulate 
the entire course of modern science for the past six generations were too 
dumb to think of that.

Need I add that not all medical research is controlled by the 
corporations, and when germ theory was first developed NONE of it was?

> in other words: germs cause disease...except when they don't.

You could just as easily say "Heavy rains cause flooding ... except when 
they don't."  What is this meant to prove?

> in cases of acute disease, try it for yourself next time you take ill.
> rather than eating drugs, eating *nothing*, drink only purified water.
> stay in bed and rest, near an open window.  note how quickly the symptoms
> disappear, and compare to the times you've eaten drugs.

This experiment has already been done millions of times by people who died 
of diseases and infections before vaccines and antibiotics were invented, 
or lived after taking vaccines and antibiotics.  (I'll grant you that 
over-the-counter cold remedies are often ineffective; but note that these 
are neither vaccines nor antibiotics, just drugs intended to reduce 
symptoms like sinus inflamation.)


- --Chris

______________________________________________________________________
Christopher Gross             On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.
chrisg@gwu.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:28:16 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cracking cheese, Gromit!

SOMEBODY SOUND THE CHEESE ALARM!

It had to be done.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:10 PM, James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>wrote:

> All the news that's pit to frint:
>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/8175347.stm>
>
> James
> --
>   James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand  <http://www.grutness.co.nz>
>   -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
>   =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
>   -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
>   .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=
>



- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.wordpress.com

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Date: 30 Jul 2009 07:51:22 -0700
From: munki1972@yahoo.com
Subject: Join my Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football league

Hey fegmaniax@smoe.org,

You have been invited to join some goddamn mammal's custom league in
Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football, Sunday Groovers.

In order to join the league, just go to http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1,
click the "Sign Up Now" or "Get Another Team" button and
follow the links to "Join a Custom League". When prompted,
enter the League ID# and password below.

League ID#: 98003
Password: BlackSnake

We will send you a confirmation with further details once
you have completed the registration process.

- --------------------------------------------------------
Note from some goddamn mammal:
Be a Sunday Groover!!!
- --------------------------------------------------------

- --Fantasy Football Commissioner
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:17:41 -0400
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Join my Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football league

munki1972@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> You have been invited to join some goddamn mammal's custom league in
> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football, Sunday Groovers.

Your ball is the wrong shape. The ball shall be spherical, as the Rules say.

 Stewart

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:24:20 -0700
From: "Bri N" <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #206

I loved Dave Formula's work on the 1st Visage album. Have you heard it? Worth getting. The album is the perfect blend of synth and organic. 

- -Nuppy

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:02:11 -0400
From: jeffb@plannedbrokerage.com
Subject: Re: hot synths!

Has anybody mentioned Dave Formula from Magazine?  Just received the  
live CD/DVD in mail yesterday, and they still crank the angst!

Missing John McGeoch though. :(  Still, Dave Formula crosses the  
bridge between prog and new wave, IMHO.

I understand he is promoting a new (only) solo release.

Jeff B.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:57:48 -0400
From: Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com>
Subject: Blu-ray

http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/020015.html

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:35:06 -0500
From: Bret <bretley@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blu-ray

Brilliant, but do people still *buy* porn?

On 7/30/09, Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/020015.html
>

- -- 
Sent from my mobile device

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:44:53 -0400
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blu-ray

Jeremy <anacreon@gmail.com> says:
> http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/020015.html

yay, i have a new catch phrase:  "Fuck you. I have tenure."

and it's so good that i don't even care that it's a lie.

xo

- -- 
"people with opinions just go around bothering one another."  -- the buddha

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:47:29 -0700
From: kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blu-ray

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/020015.html
>


I have so found a new favorite site!

"I can keep my midget in your closet whenever I damn please"...now that's
quality humor.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:09:05 -0700
From: kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #206

I'd forgotten about that one.  It really is nice.  "Fade To Grey" was glued
in my head for most of the eighties...and now it's back again.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bri N <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com>wrote:

> I loved Dave Formula's work on the 1st Visage album. Have you heard it?
> Worth getting. The album is the perfect blend of synth and organic.
>
> -Nuppy
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:02:11 -0400
> From: jeffb@plannedbrokerage.com
> Subject: Re: hot synths!
>
> Has anybody mentioned Dave Formula from Magazine?  Just received the
> live CD/DVD in mail yesterday, and they still crank the angst!
>
> Missing John McGeoch though. :(  Still, Dave Formula crosses the
> bridge between prog and new wave, IMHO.
>
> I understand he is promoting a new (only) solo release.
>
> Jeff B.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:34:26 +0200
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

I was under the impression that I'd seen it before, but if I really had my 
mind has been playing tricks on me. I was completely convinced that all 
three died at the end after fighting each other for the gold. I even had 
images in my mind that I couldn't find in the actual film. Maybe I'm 
confusing it with another movie? Anyway, I liked the real ending better 
than the one I remembered. It's such a classic that nothing else has to be 
said about it. But in my mind the similarly themed "The Killing" and most 
of all "The Wages of Fear" are even better movies - at least in my faulty 
memory :)
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/
"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:04:35 -0400
From: Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

Have you seen "A Touch of Evil"?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn <
Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:

> I was under the impression that I'd seen it before, but if I really had my
> mind has been playing tricks on me. I was completely convinced that all
> three died at the end after fighting each other for the gold. I even had
> images in my mind that I couldn't find in the actual film. Maybe I'm
> confusing it with another movie? Anyway, I liked the real ending better than
> the one I remembered. It's such a classic that nothing else has to be said
> about it. But in my mind the similarly themed "The Killing" and most of all
> "The Wages of Fear" are even better movies - at least in my faulty memory :)
> --
> Sebastian Hagedorn
> Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
> http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ <http://www.uni-koeln.de/%7Ea0620/>
> "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:56:35 +0200
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

- -- Jeremy Osner <anacreon@gmail.com> is rumored to have mumbled on 30. Juli 
2009 21:04:35 -0400 regarding Re: Movies: The Treasure of the Sierra Madre:

> Have you seen "A Touch of Evil"?

Yes, but not recently and as we know my memory is spotty. I have to admit 
that I fail to see the connection at this time. Maybe that's because I just 
woke up. How would you say it relates to the other films I mentioned?
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/
"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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