From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #203 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 27 2009 Volume 17 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) [Jeremy Osner ] Surfer Ghost on V' Golden Beach [] Next stop, the Singularity [kevin studyvin ] Keyboards! [Terrence Marks ] The Silver Key (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Aerial Alphabet + (NR) [Rex ] Re: Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) [Rex ] Re: "Follow The Money" ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: "Follow The Money" ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Keyboards! [2fs ] Re: Next stop, the Singularity [vivien lyon ] I'm just making inquiries... [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #202 [James Dignan ] Re: Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) [Jeremy Osner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:37:59 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) Has Robyn Hitchcock ever (to your knowledge) covered this song? Seems like great things can be done within its structure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Z2GHgS2R0 Be sure to check out the solo starting about 2 minutes in for a nicely mood-enhancing couple of seconds.) J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:18:52 -0700 From: Subject: Surfer Ghost on V' Golden Beach Hello, Fegmaniax! I'm unlurking to ask about the recording of "Surfer Ghost" on "Bad Case of History." I've long thought this is one of Robyn's best songs -- and one of his best recordings, as well. Even though it had never had an official release, I always ranked it in his top ten songs, so I was very excited to see it finally on a CD somewhere. Last week I finally got "Luminous Groove," and I've been enjoying listening to the new mixes. In general, they sound either better than the previous releases or so similar that they don't distract me, which is all I really care about. But the mix of "Surfer Ghost" is considerably different from the one I am used to. The vocals have lost a lot of reverb (or delay, or whatever moody effect it was). I presume that was done because Mr. Hitchcock prefers them this way, and though I don't completely agree with him, I'm happy to have an official version at all. But I'm really puzzled by the obvious re-recording of one line in the last verse. Any ideas why one line -- "Arm in arm on Virginia Beach" -- should be so jarringly overdubbed "on V' Golden Beach"? Each time I listen to it, I really miss the odd harmonies that went with "Virginia." I've never heard him comment on this song at all. But the gatefold drawing calls attention to the change through the fellow's thought bubble, and actually the whole drawing might be of a beach, if those are sand castle towers. If anyone has heard him talk about this song, I'd like to know if there might be any significance to Virginia Beach, a reason to want to erase it from the song. Not complaining. I still think it's a beautiful recording and I'm very glad to have all the rarities, this one and "Ivy Alone" in particular. If only there were an mp3 of "Feelers Was Everywhere" out there somewhere -- that one's now my favorite unreleased track.

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I'm led to believe their keyboard player kept recording after the band broke up, but I'm not familiar with his solo work. And did Garth Hudson of The Band get mentioned? Terrence Marks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:01:53 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: The Silver Key (NR) - - Steve _______________ Consciousness occurs at the fundamental level of Planck scale geometry, normally in and around microtubules between our ears. But when brain coherence is lost, quantum information related to consciousness and the unconscious mind remain in the universe, distributed but still entangled. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:30:55 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Aerial Alphabet + (NR) > Miyazaki gushing You'll be happy to know that my stepdaughter's looking forward to Ponyo more than just about any summer movie... at the very least, it was neck and neck with Harry Potter. Pretty sure we'll hit Ponyo opening night. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:32:35 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Has Robyn Hitchcock ever (to your knowledge) covered this song? Seems like > great things can be done within its structure. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Z2GHgS2R0 Be sure to check out the solo > starting about 2 minutes in for a nicely mood-enhancing couple of seconds.) > I think the last time we discussed this song, it involved the fact, previously unknown to me, that the spodee was mother, and the odee was fucker. That's come in dead handy ever since. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:57:21 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" i previously posted a link demonstrating the ineffectiveness of vaccination. it looks as though you don't accept the statistics. that's certainly your right. but if your intent is to "defend the science of vaccination", don't you think you'd make a much more convincing case by saying *why* you don't accept them? that's not what i said; so why did you use quotes? that's not even an accurate paraphrase of what i said. what i suggested was that we should follow the money. it's not that the pharmaceuticals merely profit from vaccine sales. it's that they're profiting from *public dollars*. and that public entitites are largely responsible for the paranoia. and that big pharm employs a huge army of lobbyists inside the beltway. and that public "servants" (including donald h. rumsfeld) are stock-holders. are swine flu pandemic fears bullshit? yes, they are. they must be, because the germ theory itself is bullshit. (which any friend of logic can conclude in just a few moments' time, by noting that it fails koch's postulates.) is the CDC *intentionally* "ginning up" pandemic fears? that i don't know. i just haven't studied the issue closely enough. (i can say with certainty, for what it's worth, that the bush administration knew full well when it invaded that iraq did not have any WMD). but, when we follow the money, it certainly looks suspicious. it looks even more suspicious when we remember that it's not the first pandemic hoax (or, if you prefer, false alarm) -- not even the first time for the swine flu itself. but even if it's just ignorance on the CDC's part, we must strongly suspect willful ignorance, given the reources available to those who are charged with studying these issues, and setting public policy regarding them. see and . i also highly recommend t.c. fry's *Great AIDS Hoax*, for those who've not read it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:19:52 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "Follow The Money" Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > i previously posted a link demonstrating the ineffectiveness of > vaccination. All I saw was a chapter from a 1977 book by a chiropractor, and some risible stuff from Duesberg. What did I miss? > the germ theory itself is bullshit. (which any friend of logic can > conclude in just a few moments' time, by noting that it fails koch's > postulates.) They seem reasonable to me. Please explain why they are illogical. > see So, okay, Gilead develops Tamiflu while Rumsfeld was a director. This whole recent swine flu thing occurs after Rumsfeld's little chums are out of office. So this means ... that ABB's so called "generators" (also made while Rumsfeld was a director at ABB) in "wind turbines" are in fact devices for mixing in chemtrails to low level atmosphere in order to control the minds of the last free-thinking folk in the countryside. Aha! the truth will out! [I *love* globalresearch.ca, to which Eddie's first link points. One of the more (initially) reasoned anti-wind protesters started linking to it a lot, and the whole thing became LOL12FOOTLIZARDS. I will neither confirm, nor deny, that I rented an unmarked black helicopter to arrive at that public meeting.] > i also highly recommend t.c. fry's *Great AIDS Hoax*, for those who've not > read it. Would that be the same T C Fry who, through rigorous following of his own teachings, died at age 69 of malnourishment and ozone poisoning? While we're in the process of recommending books we're not qualified to comment upon, I greatly enjoyed Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science". He does his best to instill a respect for the scientific methods of medicine. He also manages to be amusing while doing so: But, y'know, I can entirely discount Eddie's opinion, because he doesn't like Frightened Rabbit. Anyone who dislikes Selkirk's rocking miserabilists is a bad seed. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:43:15 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Keyboards! On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Terrence Marks wrote: > I recommend Kerry Minnear, of Gentle Giant. > And did Garth Hudson of The Band get mentioned? > Dunno - but I like the work of both of these guys. Also on an early '80s thing, Andy McCluskey & Paul Humphreys from Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark. Everything through _Dazzle Ships_ is unquestionable, and _Junk Culture_ has many good moments. After that...rather scattered: they succumbed to using (or sounding like they were using) the same synth sounds everyone else was at the time, whereas their early stuff blends unusual synth textures with old-school analog electronics, mellotron, and acoustic drums. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:24:54 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Next stop, the Singularity So many ideas for stories sprang to mind as I read this. Too bad all of them have already been written.... On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:33 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Look out, there's a monster coming: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/science/26robot.html?_r=1&hp > > > Alternatively: > *http://tinyurl.com/kp7ele* > ** > Check out Rhino Rodney Slater trying to set his face on fire... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: I'm just making inquiries... A friend of mine asked, what do the bands Toad the Wet Sprocket and Heaven 17 have in common, in terms of their names? Both are named after fictitious bands (TtWS from Python, H17 from A Clockwork Orange). So: other (actual) bands named after fictitious bands? I proposed that in some ways, the touring and recording version of Spinal Tap should count... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:34:54 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #202 >Walking down to St Paul's tube station after the gig I found myself in an >horrendous nightmare of concrete walls and flyovers and spotted a plaque "it >was on this site that John Wesley felt his heart strangely warmed in 1738". I >must say, it strangely warmed mine... I love plaques like that-here in Dunedin we've got an unusual brass plaque commemorating a piece of graffiti which was scrawled on a wall and left for over 20 years (no ordinary graffiti - it was a very charming poem of lost love). Makes me smile whenever I see it. (for anyone interested, it's on the web at ) On the subject of tube stations, by the way, this shows that some people have far too much time on their hands - but it's fun, especially if you know london: James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:18:37 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Spo-dee-o-dee (wine, wine) Wikipedia thinks rather that "spo-dee-o-dee was a scat substitute for the original motherfucker" -- I take that to mean the original lyric was "drinkin wine, motherfucker" and when they went to record it, they came up with nonsense syllables to cover that. OTOH Wikipedia has no attribution for this factoid... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_McGhee Here is a copy of the original version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtfON5C7qgs J On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Rex says, > > I think the last time we discussed this song, it involved the fact, > previously > > unknown to me, that the spodee was mother, and the odee was fucker. > > Wow, seriously? That's excellent. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #203 ********************************