From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #191 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 10 2009 Volume 17 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: out of the bubble [Miles Goosens ] Re: Other [Tom Clark ] Re: REAP [Michael Sweeney ] Re: out of the bubble [2fs ] Re: REAP [kevin studyvin ] Re: out of the bubble [kevin studyvin ] RE: REAP [Michael Sweeney ] Re: out of the bubble [James Dignan ] Re: out of the bubble [2fs ] Re: out of the bubble [Rex ] Re: REAP [Steve Schiavo ] robyn on the tracks [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) [kevin studyvin ] Re: Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) ["Stewart C. Russell" <] Re: out of the bubble ["edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:55:27 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: >...man, I miss Nixon. One of my most oft-repeated phrases since 2003 has been that if Nixon had invaded Iraq, he would have made sure that evidence of WMDs was gonna be there, even if he would have had to send Liddy and a team of Cubans there to plant it. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:17:14 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Other On Jul 9, 2009, at 10:20 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > To quote Billville's Dr. Infiermo, "We're doomed." > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/science/10survey.html?_r=1&hp It's Idiocracy. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:57:34 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: REAP kevin studyvin wrote: >Poem Lover > >> Oscar Mayer, 95 >> > >Who gets custody of the Wienermobile? ...I actually saw a (the?) Wienermobile at a gas station just northwest of downtown Chicago about 3 weeks ago (LaSalle and Ontario, for curious locals). I just turned a corner and -- wha!? -- there it was, getting filled up ("Do you want Dijon or non-Dijon in that?") Michael "We still refer to it as 'the Wiener Wagon'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:53:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > >...man, I miss Nixon. > > One of my most oft-repeated phrases since 2003 has been that if Nixon > had invaded Iraq, he would have made sure that evidence of WMDs was > gonna be there, even if he would have had to send Liddy and a team of > Cubans there to plant it. Which - not that it's particularly needed - relates to one of the chief items of evidence against 9/11 "truthers'" conspiracy-theorizing: clearly, the objective would have been to create an evidentiary trail leading straight to Iraq, thereby "justifying" the US invasion thereof... It is, of course, absurd to imagine simultaneously the utter incompetence of failing to plant such evidence with the utter supercompetence of pulling off, in utter secrecy, such an enormous crime. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:41:09 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > kevin studyvin wrote: > > > >Poem Lover > > > >> Oscar Mayer, 95 > >> > > > >Who gets custody of the Wienermobile? > > ...I actually saw a (the?) Wienermobile at a gas station just northwest of > downtown Chicago about 3 weeks ago (LaSalle and Ontario, for curious > locals). > I just turned a corner and -- wha!? -- there it was, getting filled up ("Do > you want Dijon or non-Dijon in that?") > > > > > Michael "We still refer to it as 'the Wiener Wagon'" Sweeney > Well, back in *my* day it was the Wienermobile. It was doing some kind of promotional thing in the parking lot of a supermarket in Lancaster (CA, not PA) back around 1962 or 3, and I got an actual Wienermobile whistle, which produced a shrill, high-pitched blast so annoying that my dad threw it out the car window on the way home. Good times... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:59:04 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Miles Goosens >wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM, kevin studyvin > > wrote: > > >...man, I miss Nixon. > > > > One of my most oft-repeated phrases since 2003 has been that if Nixon > > had invaded Iraq, he would have made sure that evidence of WMDs was > > gonna be there, even if he would have had to send Liddy and a team of > > Cubans there to plant it. > > > Which - not that it's particularly needed - relates to one of the chief > items of evidence against 9/11 "truthers'" conspiracy-theorizing: clearly, > the objective would have been to create an evidentiary trail leading > straight to Iraq, thereby "justifying" the US invasion thereof... It is, of > course, absurd to imagine simultaneously the utter incompetence of failing > to plant such evidence with the utter supercompetence of pulling off, in > utter secrecy, such an enormous crime. > Man, that stuff really burns me - the idea that anybody in or around the Cheney/Bush crew would be competent to do something that horrible, and that huge, and *keep it a secret*. (Except, of course, for the intrepid truthseekers out there on the Internet.) One of my brothers has gotten sucked into that pile of crap - he refers to it as "a false flag operation" carried out for the benefit of, and with the assistance of, the Israeli intelligence apparatus. We've had a couple of near-to-throwing-punches arguments about that idiocy and he doesn't raise the topic around me any more, thank Gawd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:39:32 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: REAP I actually have one of those whistles on a shelf here somewhere -- but a modern one (gathered sometime and somewhere that I cannot recall...but very likely related / connected to our young niece, who we used to watch a lot when she was little)...and I almost even mentioned it in my post...lol... MLS Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:41:09 -0700 Subject: Re: REAP From: kstudyvin@gmail.com To: m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: kevin studyvin wrote: >Poem Lover > >> Oscar Mayer, 95 >> > >Who gets custody of the Wienermobile? ...I actually saw a (the?) Wienermobile at a gas station just northwest of downtown Chicago about 3 weeks ago (LaSalle and Ontario, for curious locals). I just turned a corner and -- wha!? -- there it was, getting filled up ("Do you want Dijon or non-Dijon in that?") Michael "We still refer to it as 'the Wiener Wagon'" Sweeney Well, back in *my* day it was the Wienermobile. It was doing some kind of promotional thing in the parking lot of a supermarket in Lancaster (CA, not PA) back around 1962 or 3, and I got an actual Wienermobile whistle, which produced a shrill, high-pitched blast so annoying that my dad threw it out the car window on the way home. Good times... _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:04:03 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: out of the bubble > > Also, this oddity: his dermatologist, Arnold Klein, asked whether >he was the > > biological father of any of Jackson's children, replied: "To the best of my > > knowledge I am not the father of these children." > > I just saw this, in a freakish instance of being in front of a television > tuned to a broadcast network, and it was REALLY weird. > > I wondered if it seemed weird to everybody, or if culture has just gotten > that much more fucked up over the last few weeks. And was concerned that > the latter possibility seemed as viable as it did. Sounds to me exactly the sort of answer anyone might give - dripping with sarcasm - when asked a stupid question by a press moron. "Mr Obama, sir - which way did you vote in the election?" "Can't say I recall for sure.... probably Democrat, if I remember correctly." James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:16:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:04 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > Also, this oddity: his dermatologist, Arnold Klein, asked whether he was >> the >> > biological father of any of Jackson's children, replied: "To the best >> of my >> > knowledge I am not the father of these children." >> >> I just saw this, in a freakish instance of being in front of a television >> tuned to a broadcast network, and it was REALLY weird. >> > > Sounds to me exactly the sort of answer anyone might give - dripping with > sarcasm - when asked a stupid question by a press moron. "Mr Obama, sir - > which way did you vote in the election?" "Can't say I recall for sure.... > probably Democrat, if I remember correctly." I didn't see it - although I could call up a video if I wanted to - but Rex, apparently, did: I suppose sarcasm might be viable, but only if it's truly a "stupid question." And given that rumors of Klein as sperm donor have been circulating for years, it isn't a stupid question: it may be impertinent or inappropriate in the immediate aftermath of Jackson's death - but not stupid in the sense of having an obvious answer. Let's imagine Klein is biologically the father. He has a couple of options: acknowledge it ("yes"), refuse to answer the question on grounds of impertinence and/or inappropriateness (saying exactly that; acting indignant), lying outright ("no"), or prevaricating (what he actually said). (There may be more...) Let's imagine Klein is not biologically the father. The first option is, of course, ruled out (unless for some perverse reason he *wanted* people to think he's the father when he's not). The second option is fully viable. The third option (lying about the truth) is, of course, same here as the first option - and "no" is simply telling the truth. But the fourth option - prevaricating, the words he actually did say - make little sense in this case. He doesn't even have the Bush Excuse* here - I mean, I suppose he might have been really drunk one night and someone said, c'mon - just donate a little sperm in this test-tube here, and then he didn't remember...but that seems likely only as a result of extreme weirdness in the Improbability Drive (and would probably also involve the manifestation of an intelligent bologna-and-mustard sandwich who also has an excellent putting game). * At one point, asked about the cocaine issue, W. actually said something to the effect that he just didn't remember. That would be possible, of course, if W. were the kind of guy who'd snort, shoot, smoke, swallow, or otherwise ingest anything anyone offered him - which, come to think of it, is entirely possible. So maybe W. wasn't lying when he initially claimed he didn't know whether he'd used coke. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:47:29 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:16 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:04 PM, James Dignan >wrote: > > > > Also, this oddity: his dermatologist, Arnold Klein, asked whether he > was > >> the > >> > biological father of any of Jackson's children, replied: "To the best > >> of my > >> > knowledge I am not the father of these children." > >> > >> I just saw this, in a freakish instance of being in front of a > television > >> tuned to a broadcast network, and it was REALLY weird. > >> > > > > Sounds to me exactly the sort of answer anyone might give - dripping with > > sarcasm - when asked a stupid question by a press moron. "Mr Obama, sir - > > which way did you vote in the election?" "Can't say I recall for sure.... > > probably Democrat, if I remember correctly." > > > I didn't see it - although I could call up a video if I wanted to - but > Rex, > apparently, did: I suppose sarcasm might be viable, but only if it's truly > a > "stupid question." It was an interview with Larry King; both parties were sort of frantic and incoherent; Klein was sort of on the spot and spinning like crazy and not sarcastic at all... but I must admit I tuned it halfway through it and really couldn't tell what the hell was going on, other than the ticker at the bottom kept updating itself with whatever had just been said, as if it were the key point of the whole discussion. Just plain weird, really. Perhaps I'll go listen to The Fall now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:07:57 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: REAP On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...I actually saw a (the?) Wienermobile at a gas station just > northwest of > downtown Chicago about 3 weeks ago (LaSalle and Ontario, for curious > locals). > I just turned a corner and -- wha!? -- there it was, getting filled > up ("Do > you want Dijon or non-Dijon in that?") - - Steve __________ Mojo: If push comes to shove, what is your all-time favourite album? Harry Shearer: Right now it would be Apple Venus by XTC. Every fucking song on that record is a killer, and I just think it's Beatles-esque in the best sense of the term. We'll never see it live, which I both treasure and bemoan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:55:35 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: robyn on the tracks http://carnivalsaloon.blogspot.com/2009/07/alternative-blood-on-tracks.html my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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It's all well and good for the government to ask GM to build more fuel efficient cars, but those sorts of cars have much smaller margins than the muscle cars or trucks, and GM has a better reputation (and comparative advantage against the Japanese) in these sorts of cars than in the more politically correct models. In fact, I would think without CAFE GM would have stopped trying to make a go at perennial losers like the Geo Metro and guaranteed-to-be-losers-at-launch cars like the Volt, and focused their efforts entirely on these sorts of cars where they could make a serious buck and keep their workers working. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:25:58 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: robyn on the tracks On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM, wrote: > http://carnivalsaloon.blogspot.com/2009/07/alternative-blood-on-tracks.html > Neato! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:01:20 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) Marc wrote: > > GM has a better reputation .... Ahaha! You make a good funny. This is the kind of car that makes the rest of the world go WTFAMERICA? I see these being bought mostly on credit by those who shouldn't. Stewart (sitting by the Severn in Worcester) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:38:18 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: out of the bubble outdoorminer@gmail.com said: >One of my most oft-repeated phrases since 2003 has been that if Nixon >had invaded Iraq, he would have made sure that evidence of WMDs was >gonna be there, even if he would have had to send Liddy and a team of >Cubans there to plant it. During the lead up to the Iraq invasion, one of the political impersonator type TV shows over here showed supposed candid footage of Bush talking to Condoleeza Rice in the oval office, with Bush saying, "What do you mean Blix hasn't found any WMD yet? Don't the Iraqis *want* this war? Didn't they take some of their own?" peace, Edward Value your online security: Get 50% off Norton Security 2009 - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc _______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Marc wrote: >> ...if the essence of comedy is timing, what would you call this? >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/business/10auto.html?em > > Possibly very smart. It's all well and good for the government to ask GM to > build more fuel efficient cars, but those sorts of cars have much smaller > margins than the muscle cars or trucks, and GM has a better reputation (and > comparative advantage against the Japanese) in these sorts of cars than in > the more politically correct models. Of course the market for those high-margin, low-efficiency vehicles is likely to dwindle over time, as fuel costs will tend to increase. So the logical outcome of this strategy is that GM will become a small, specialty manufacturer serving a niche market, kinda like a declasse Ferrari. I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what GM's management plans. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:52:01 -0400 From: Marc Subject: Re: Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) Christopher Gross wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Marc wrote: > >>> ...if the essence of comedy is timing, what would you call this? >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/business/10auto.html?em >> >> Possibly very smart. It's all well and good for the government to ask >> GM to build more fuel efficient cars, but those sorts of cars have >> much smaller margins than the muscle cars or trucks, and GM has a >> better reputation (and comparative advantage against the Japanese) in >> these sorts of cars than in the more politically correct models. > > Of course the market for those high-margin, low-efficiency vehicles is > likely to dwindle over time, as fuel costs will tend to increase. So > the logical outcome of this strategy is that GM will become a small, > specialty manufacturer serving a niche market, kinda like a declasse > Ferrari. I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what GM's > management plans. > Which is exactly what the Feds seem to be fighting against with their bailout. But it is probably a better way for GM to go instead of trying to preserve more of their bloated past than can be sustained. Still, they would have been in far better shape if they could have started that conversion years ago, but CAFE prevented them from doing so. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:08:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Toward a new definition of "clueless" (0%Hck) On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Marc wrote: > kevin studyvin wrote: > >> ...if the essence of comedy is timing, what would you call this? >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/business/10auto.html?em >> >> > Possibly very smart. It's all well and good for the government to ask GM to > build more fuel efficient cars, but those sorts of cars have much smaller > margins than the muscle cars or trucks, and GM has a better reputation (and > comparative advantage against the Japanese) in these sorts of cars than in > the more politically correct models. That's probably true. But such cars (and your Hummeresque behemoths) gobble up more fuel and resources, tend to exacerbate certain drivers' more obnoxious tendencies (a/k/a "two-inch dickmobiles"), and (in the case of enormo-pigwagons) make traffic worse by taking up more space, decreasing sight distance for everyone else, and wearing roads more quickly. In other words, this is why the market sucks for the environment. Then again, all forms are transportation are subsidized in various ways - none of them are truly market-driven. So in this case we have the worst aspects of subsidization (i.e., the favoring of highways over other transport modes; the power of Big Oil) and the worst aspects of the market (people making dumb-ass decisions that ultimately harm themselves and others)... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:15:34 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Recommended . especially for those (see e.g. ) who had contended, prior to the plebiscite, that, if elected, a democrat would bug us out of iraq. after reading, repeat after me: "i shall never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever again vote for a motherfucking democrat for u.s. president." ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #191 ********************************