From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #190 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, July 9 2009 Volume 17 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Well, I guess this leaves Henry Kissmyassinger as the undisputed most-mass-murderous living American ["Nectar A] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Well, I guess this leaves Henry Kissmyassinger as the undisputed most-mass-murderous living American [ke] Re: Movies: The Sand Pebbles [kevin studyvin ] out of the bubble [2fs ] Re: Movies: The Winslow Boy [Sebastian Hagedorn ] near REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: needed: 90 second songs conducive to movement [James Dignan ] Re: needed: 90 second songs conducive to movement [Rex ] Re: out of the bubble [kevin studyvin ] Re: REAP [2fs ] Other [kevin studyvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:32:32 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Well, I guess this leaves Henry Kissmyassinger as the undisputed most-mass-murderous living American you know, were it not for jeme's influence, my reaction to mcnamara's death would surely have been something to the tune of, "may the sumbitch roast in hell, forever and ever and ever!" now, obviously, there's no such thing as heaven nor hell; so it's kind of a self-limiting wish/curse in any case. but beyond that, and given jeme's influence, my reaction would be something more to the tune of: daniel ellsberg is a true american hero. indeed, the exposing of state secrets may be the finest public service that any state's citizen can undertake. robert mcnamara need not have pulled an ellsberg, though, to have had an influence upon the public consciousness. if he ever did realise that american foreign policy is, and has always been, morally reprehensible (and the world bank is an arm of u.s. foreign policy); that the indochina adventures were not a "mistake", but a crime of the greatest possible magnitude; he never admitted as much in public. moreover, in steadfastly refusing to apply his "lessons" to the bushwars in iraq and afghanistan, he yet again disserved the cause of justice. to the extent that villifying him could be helpful, then it would certainly be justified. but it's more likely that using his death as an opportunity to re-open discussion of these matters; and turning the mirror 'round that we might see the mcnamara/kissinger/rumsfeld inside us all; that progress might be achieved. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:45:45 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Rosalie Kunert, 86 (aka Rosie the Riveter) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:38:58 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Well, I guess this leaves Henry Kissmyassinger as the undisputed most-mass-murderous living American > to the extent that villifying him could be helpful, then it would certainly > be justified. but it's more likely that using his death as an opportunity > to re-open discussion of these matters; and turning the mirror 'round that > we might see the mcnamara/kissinger/rumsfeld inside us all; that progress > might be achieved. > Now there's a nice thought. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:35:41 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Movies: The Sand Pebbles On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > I watched "The Sand Pebbles" for the first time last night. This is one of > the movies that I put in my queue based on the recent top 10 lists here, but > that I had never even heard of before. The English title was definitely > unfamiliar to me. The German title (Kanonenboot am Yangtse-Kiang) I may have > read before, but I didn't associate it with anything. Plus, the movie was > categorised as "war movie", which isn't a genre I'm usually interested in. > > But I'm very happy to have watched it. I've never seen Steve McQueen as > good before. The pictures are gorgeous, so that even though I watched it on > BluRay, I really would like to watch it in a theater! It doesn#t make my > personal top 10 list, but it's a really impressive movie. > Steve McQueen was great no matter what he was in. The original Thomas Crown Affair showed up on cable the other day and it was a joy to see. Makes the remake look kind of sad, Rene Russo or not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:25:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: out of the bubble ...temporarily: I happened to read one of the approximately 7,359,478 articles on Michael Jackson a few minutes ago - and, uh, WTF is "blanket" as a name for a child? Also, this oddity: his dermatologist, Arnold Klein, asked whether he was the biological father of any of Jackson's children, replied: "To the best of my knowledge I am not the father of these children." "To the best of my knowledge"? What - he's not ruling out that aliens harvested his sperm in his sleep? This reminds me of W.'s "denial" cocaine usage...within a specified, unsolicited period of time. In both cases, any person actually innocent of the charges would simply say "no." Here, try it out: ask me if I'm the father of Michael Jackson's children. "No, I am not." Simple. Hell, ask me if I've ever used cocaine: "No, I haven't." See? Pretty simple when the answer is "no." All other answers are "yes," in other words. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:47:16 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: The Winslow Boy - -- Great Quail is rumored to have mumbled on 25. Juni 2009 09:40:15 -0400 regarding Re: Movies: The Winslow Boy: > David Mamet was also involved with "The Shield" for a while. He directed a > few episodes, one of which starred his wife: According to IMDb it was only one epsidoe, but thanks, I'd forgotten about that! I liked The Shield, so that's OK. I still don't get The Unit, though. Are there any fans here? >> Anyway, I also have a thing for Rebecca Pidgeon (aka Mrs. David Mamet), >> so there was ample motivation for me to watch The Winslow Boy. > > Ha ha ha! Oh wow, we could not be any more different! I think she is an > atrocious actress; performing every role with the same wooden lack of > empathy combined with an irritating, knowing smirk! Exactly! :) What you call "lack of empathy" I call "restraint". > Maybe this is the reason you didn't like Fitzcarraldo, which is one of my > favorite movies; I know the representative sample is currently only two > Fegs, but perhaps there is some kind of constant vis-`-vis Klaus Kinski > and Rebecca Pidgeon, like (KK)(RP)=k? I think Kinski is over-emoting. But while I didn't *like* Fitzcarraldo, I didn't *not* like it either, and M have to admit that it has made a much more lasting impression on me than many other movies that I ostensibly liked better. So there. BTW, I meant to write that The Sand Pebbles reminded me of Fitzcarraldo! Even the production was similar to a degree, i.e. the San Pablo was also constructed specifically for the film, filming in Taiwan and Hong Kong offered some hardships etc. I guess the Amazon in the late 70s was less developed than Taiwan was in the mid-60s, but still ... >> And I enjoyed >> it a lot. It's not a masterpiece, but it was highly entertaining. > > And I actually thought that"The Winslow Boy" was such a breathtakingly > boring movie, it's become a personal byword for dullness in my own > cimematic vocabulary Strange, I don't get that at all. > -- "Well, Howard's End and The English Patient were > pretty bad, but at least they were no Winslow Boy!" OK, now you're talking crazy! I never saw The English Patient, but Howard's End was fantastic (although I liked The Remains Of The Day better - I always think of these two movies as a pair)! I also loved the novel - not as good as Passage To India, but very good. Don't tell me you don't like E.M. Forster! > But to be honest, I > generally find Mamet to be pretentious and dull. Pretentious I can see, and perhaps even agree, but dull? I've not yet seen every movie he's made, but with the exception of "Heist" I didn't find any of them dull in the least. Go figure. > I say this not to deliberately tweak your non-Bavarian nose, but because > it's yet another example of the broad wingspan of the Venn diagram that is > Fegmaniax! I've taken it in that spirit. :) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:52:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: The Winslow Boy - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 25. Juni 2009 13:01:40 -0400 regarding Re: Movies: The Winslow Boy: > just two or three nights ago, i (re-)watched "the spanish prisoner" > which is david mamet's and stars rebecca pidgeon (who i didn't know > was married to mamet - i'm quite unfamiliar with her with her in > general.) That's the first one I saw her in. As you can guess I loved it. It's probably my favorite by Mamet. > the movie wasn't as puzzle-y as i had found it when i saw it in the > theatre, but i was fairly entertained by it. I haven't seen it in a while. Maybe I wouldn't enjoy it as much upon re-watching it, either? > although now that i > think about it, it's more of a construction than a movie (this isn't > exactly a criticism of the movie, but it isn't exactly not.) i'm sure > this quality is, in part, due to steve martin's being in the movie. > steve martin is one of those people who generally just doesn't work > for me as a dramatic actor - not because he's bad (which he may or may > not be, it's difficult for me to even judge), but because there's > always this element of over-awareness when watching him in a movie -- > it seems whenever he's in a drama, i never quite forget that he's > steve martin. and while i can't really say that being steve martin is > his fault, perhaps it would be better if he just skipped the > renaissance man thing. I know what you mean, and I agree with the observation, but not with the conclusion you draw. If anything he should play *more* such roles, so that we, the audience, get used to it. The only other dramatic role I remember without checking is Shopgirl ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:58:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: The Sand Pebbles - -- kevin studyvin is rumored to have mumbled on 8. Juli 2009 11:35:41 -0700 regarding Re: Movies: The Sand Pebbles: > Steve McQueen was great no matter what he was in. The original Thomas > Crown Affair showed up on cable the other day and it was a joy to see. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. > Makes the remake look kind of sad, Rene Russo or not. I was bored to tears by the remake. 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And was concerned that the latter possibility seemed as viable as it did. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:00:34 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: needed: 90 second songs conducive to movement On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM, wrote: > Residents Commercial Album > there's 40 right there > unless you already used those > Got it. But actual commercials would work. Soundbites are great! Dialogue fragments are a go! Etc. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: needed: 90 second songs conducive to movement On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM, wrote: > >> Residents Commercial Album >> there's 40 right there >> unless you already used those >> > > Got it. > > But actual commercials would work. Soundbites are great! Dialogue > fragments are a go! Etc. > Oh god, what a self-centered ass I must appear. Though this was about my need for 600 new artists. I'll be crawling off to dwindle away now, thanks. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:10:16 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: REAP 2009/7/8 Poem Lover > Oscar Mayer, 95 > Who gets custody of the Wienermobile? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:17:50 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: out of the bubble On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > > > Also, this oddity: his dermatologist, Arnold Klein, asked whether he was > > the > > biological father of any of Jackson's children, replied: "To the best of > my > > knowledge I am not the father of these children." > > > I just saw this, in a freakish instance of being in front of a television > tuned to a broadcast network, and it was REALLY weird. > > I wondered if it seemed weird to everybody, or if culture has just gotten > that much more fucked up over the last few weeks. And was concerned that > the latter possibility seemed as viable as it did. > Well, it's exactly the kind of language I'd expect an attorney to use, but it seems that everybody in "the professions" is adopting that kind of pathetic, bullshit risk-averse language...never, ever say anything that anyone anywhere could conceivably construe as an admission of anything, ever, under any circumstances period. Like so much of the cancerous abuse of language in the culture this seems to date to the Reagan administration. Kind of like Ronnie's use of the royal we, which has seeped down to just about every level these days too...man, I miss Nixon. Speaking of which: http://nonadventures.com/ Wonderella kicks butt. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: REAP On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:10 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > 2009/7/8 Poem Lover > > > Oscar Mayer, 95 > > > > Who gets custody of the Wienermobile? We know for sure his ex-wife doesn't want it. Thank you - I'll be here all week. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:20:16 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Other To quote Billville's Dr. Infiermo, "We're doomed." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/science/10survey.html?_r=1&hp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #190 ********************************