From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #163 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 5 2009 Volume 17 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: iTunes 8.2 [2fs ] Re: Note to Philly Fegs (0% RH) [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: iTunes 8.2 [FSThomas ] R.I.P. [Eleanore Adams ] Re: R.I.P. [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Robyn reminder (New Trains Movie) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] REAP [Capuchin ] Re: REAP ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: REAP ["Brian Huddell" ] Movies: Fitzcarraldo [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Movies: Fitzcarraldo [Jeremy Osner ] shiny shiny carbon fiber (nr) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Movies: Fitzcarraldo [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:18:40 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: iTunes 8.2 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:14 PM, FSThomas wrote: > 2fs wrote: > >> I just upgraded...and should I be worried that it's upgrading my library >> but >> doing so v-e-r-y slowly? (Keep in mind that my library is very large...) >> Previous upgrades of iTunes have not run into such slowness... Anyone else >> notice this? >> >> > I couldn't find anything definitive about just what's been done to upgrade > the library but did read a couple of articles that recommended backing up > the .itl file (the library database) prior to the install. For my stuff the > file is comparatively small at about 5.7K for a 135+GB library. > The updating of the library took less than a minute on my PC, but it's a > relatively dual processor with 4GB of RAM. There's also an additional slowness factor that the actual sound files are on an external drive. Anyway, everything worked out: once it finished doing whatever it was doing with the library, it worked fine. I played stuff, streamed stuff via Airport to the speakers, ripped stuff, retagged a few things - no problems. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:56:59 -0400 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Note to Philly Fegs (0% RH) On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:36 AM, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > Carrie wrote: >> Wasn't sure if I was coming here until the last minute but I arrived >> in Philly last night and am here until next Monday morning - at a >> conference Thursday - Sunday. Wondered if perhaps I could suggest an >> impromptu feg lunch on Thursday (my conference begins Thursday late >> afternoon). > > Today I am dashing up to New York to see my friend who's visiting > briefly from Seattle! > Otherwise I would totally be there. I'm working Friday and > Saturday, but maybe you'll be > able to make the Tower show - it would be lovely to see you! Though > having just done BEA > I can understand if you are just collapsing in your hotel that night. > > What is the conference, btw? > > cheers, > Jeanne Thanks Philly Fegs for trying to meet - I wasn't sure I was coming until just 2 days before I climbed on the plane (even though I am on a panel). And, *cringe* my priorities are all fucked up - we have this big dinner for the conference closing on Saturday night so I will not make the Tower show (she says, ducking). The conference is "The Hybrid Book" - solely related to my tiny little niche of the art world: Alas, another time! Be Seeing You, - - c ************************************** Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself. ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:07:37 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Any fegs in Albany? You oughta cross the river and check out this installation: http://robray.net/buckys-animal-spirit J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:17:47 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: iTunes 8.2 2fs wrote: > Anyway, everything worked out: once it finished doing whatever it was doing > with the library, it worked fine. I played stuff, streamed stuff via Airport > to the speakers, ripped stuff, retagged a few things - no problems Excellent. My Touch froze up last night after mucking with it and I thought, "here we go," but a re-start seemed all it required. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:36:31 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: R.I.P. R.I.P. David Carradine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:10:49 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: R.I.P. possibly a suicide my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 6/4/2009 10:39:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eleanore@tdl.com writes: R.I.P. David Carradine **************We found the real bHotel Californiab and the bSeinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:19:34 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Robyn reminder (New Trains Movie) Sundance channel : 90 minutes Friday/Saturday Midnight Monday 4:05 AM my blog is "Yer Blog" _http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/_ (http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/) _http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/_ (http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/) **************We found the real bHotel Californiab and the bSeinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve - -Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew00000007) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:15:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Capuchin Subject: REAP Dr. John Dauns -- my academic advisor, mentor, and friend. It's going to be a very different dissertation now. J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:35:35 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: REAP Capuchin wrote: > Dr. John Dauns -- my academic advisor, mentor, and friend. Sorry to hear that - though it's orders of magnitude less, I lost my undergrad dissertation advisor during my final year. Since he was the only person who knew the topic, I kinda drifted through my last year. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:57:46 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: REAP Jeme: > Dr. John Dauns -- my academic advisor, mentor, and friend. I'm really sorry to hear this, Jeme. I can imagine you feel professionally derailed in addition to having lost a friend. I googled him out of curiosity, since we lived in the same city. There's brief self-written bio here: http://tinyurl.com/qwbt73 . Over 40 years at Tulane, early childhood in occupied Latvia during WWII. He must have been a very interesting man. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:36:10 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Movies: Fitzcarraldo OK, so now I've seen my first Werner Herzog movie. I have a hard time deciding what I think of it. For the first 30 minutes or so I was quite annoyed, because what I saw on the screen didn't make any sense to me. I don't know people that behave the way the people in the film do, and I don't think I want to. But then something happened and I felt myself involuntarily drawn into the movie by the the gorgeous images and the atmosphere created by the Popol Vuh soundtrack, which I loved (I'd only heard *of* them until now). Still, when the film was over I wasn't really satisfied. So I started to watch again with the commentary track on, but that didn't make things better. Werner Herzog is very soft-spoken, every second sentence is about how he loves that particular actor or that particular location, and he has a quite noticeable Bavarian accent ... I can't properly articulate how I feel about the movie. I admire it in a certain way, I like certain aspects of it, but it doesn't really make sense to me why someone would want to make a movie like that, if you know what I mean. In a way to me it seemed like an impressive mountain: it's something to look at, but it doesn't have actual meaning. It's just there. I feel similarly about Kinski. Of course he has incredible presence on screen, of course he always seems right on the edge of insanity, but what does it actually mean? I don't think his portrayal of Fitzcarraldo helped make him a more well-rounded character that you can empathize with (which I always assume must be the ultimate goal). Instead you end up watching Kinski. One more thing: I'm not a huge opera fan, but I also don't hate it. What I do hate, however, is the overly pathos-filled way of singing that Caruso used. I never got what people heard in those old-school singers. It's so over the top. So here's what Jeremy and the Quail wrote about it just a few days ago: Jeremy: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Great Quail > wrote: >> Anyway, I think Herzog is supremely funny, even in movies like "Aguirre" > and >> "Fitzcarraldo," there's something very German about his enthusiastic > embrace >> of nihilism. > > Thank you, thank you! I was going to mention Herzog where I wrote "Marx > brothers" but then I thought wait, maybe other people do not find his work > as hilarious as I do... I don't get that on several levels: - - I was expecting a nihilistic movie, but that's not what it is, is it? I mean, OK, Fitzcarraldo's original plans fall through, but wouldn't you say that the depiction of the moving of the ship is actually a testament to what men can achieve when they set their mind to it? And isn't the opera performance on the ship at the end a celebration? - - I don't think the film is German at all. Herzog says in the commentary about a certain scene that his idea for it was: it must not be Teutonic, it has to be Bavarian. While I would not say that German=Teutonic, I can say with certainty that German is *not* equal to Bavarian!! - - What's supposed to be funny? There were a few moments that made me smile, but none that made me laugh. I still have Aguirre and Stroszek in my queue, and I'm looking forward to them, but I can't say that I expect to love them ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:51:48 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Movies: Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo is not by any means my favorite Herzog movie BUT: you absolutely have to watch the "making of Fitzcarraldo" movie which I think is on the same disk in the bonus materials section -- watching them put together the rig to pull that boat across the mountain was absolutely nerve-wracking and more affecting (I found) than anything in the movie itself. If you have not already returned the disk I would very much recommend watching this. Let us know what you think about Aguirre, that was IMO a far better movie. Certainly extremely nihilistic, I don't know how strongly "German" it is though... It is a lot like "Apocalypse Now" in certain ways. Another one well worth watching from this period is "Die grosse Ekstase des Bildschnitzers Steiner." I think of that one as being maybe the fundamental Herzog film. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > OK, so now I've seen my first Werner Herzog movie. I have a hard time > deciding what I think of it. For the first 30 minutes or so I was quite > annoyed, because what I saw on the screen didn't make any sense to me. I > don't know people that behave the way the people in the film do, and I don't > think I want to. But then something happened and I felt myself involuntarily > drawn into the movie by the the gorgeous images and the atmosphere created > by the Popol Vuh soundtrack, which I loved (I'd only heard *of* them until > now). > Still, when the film was over I wasn't really satisfied. So I started to > watch again with the commentary track on, but that didn't make things > better. Werner Herzog is very soft-spoken, every second sentence is about > how he loves that particular actor or that particular location, and he has a > quite noticeable Bavarian accent ... > > I can't properly articulate how I feel about the movie. I admire it in a > certain way, I like certain aspects of it, but it doesn't really make sense > to me why someone would want to make a movie like that, if you know what I > mean. In a way to me it seemed like an impressive mountain: it's something > to look at, but it doesn't have actual meaning. It's just there. I feel > similarly about Kinski. Of course he has incredible presence on screen, of > course he always seems right on the edge of insanity, but what does it > actually mean? I don't think his portrayal of Fitzcarraldo helped make him a > more well-rounded character that you can empathize with (which I always > assume must be the ultimate goal). Instead you end up watching Kinski. > > One more thing: I'm not a huge opera fan, but I also don't hate it. What I > do hate, however, is the overly pathos-filled way of singing that Caruso > used. I never got what people heard in those old-school singers. It's so > over the top. > > So here's what Jeremy and the Quail wrote about it just a few days ago: > > Jeremy: > >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Great Quail >> wrote: >> >>> Anyway, I think Herzog is supremely funny, even in movies like "Aguirre" >>> >> and >> >>> "Fitzcarraldo," there's something very German about his enthusiastic >>> >> embrace >> >>> of nihilism. >>> >> >> Thank you, thank you! I was going to mention Herzog where I wrote "Marx >> brothers" but then I thought wait, maybe other people do not find his work >> as hilarious as I do... >> > > I don't get that on several levels: > > - I was expecting a nihilistic movie, but that's not what it is, is it? I > mean, OK, Fitzcarraldo's original plans fall through, but wouldn't you say > that the depiction of the moving of the ship is actually a testament to what > men can achieve when they set their mind to it? And isn't the opera > performance on the ship at the end a celebration? > > - I don't think the film is German at all. Herzog says in the commentary > about a certain scene that his idea for it was: it must not be Teutonic, it > has to be Bavarian. While I would not say that German=Teutonic, I can say > with certainty that German is *not* equal to Bavarian!! > > - What's supposed to be funny? There were a few moments that made me smile, > but none that made me laugh. > > I still have Aguirre and Stroszek in my queue, and I'm looking forward to > them, but I can't say that I expect to love them ... > -- > Sebastian Hagedorn > Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany > http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ > "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:27:55 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: shiny shiny carbon fiber (nr) - - Steve _______________ Interaction with cosmic intelligence may be influenced by Penrose noncomputable Platonic wisdom embedded in Planck scale geometry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:41:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Movies: Fitzcarraldo - --On 4. Juni 2009 18:51:48 -0400 Jeremy Osner wrote: > Fitzcarraldo is not by any means my favorite Herzog movie BUT: you > absolutely have to watch the "making of Fitzcarraldo" movie which I think > is on the same disk in the bonus materials section Not on my copy. The release in Germany is done by Arthaus, and there were no extras except for the commentary track in German. > -- watching them put > together the rig to pull that boat across the mountain was absolutely > nerve-wracking and more affecting (I found) than anything in the movie > itself. If you have not already returned the disk I would very much > recommend watching this. I'm planning on watching "Mein liebster Feind" (My best fiend), which apparently covers some of that ground. > Let us know what you think about Aguirre, that was IMO a far better movie. > Certainly extremely nihilistic, I don't know how strongly "German" it is > though... It is a lot like "Apocalypse Now" in certain ways. I'll report on that once I get to it (might be a while). > Another one > well worth watching from this period is "Die grosse Ekstase des > Bildschnitzers Steiner." I think of that one as being maybe the > fundamental Herzog film. As weird as it is, that isn't even available on DVD in Germany ... strike that, I just found that it's a bonus feature on the "Fata Morgana" DVD. So I've added that to my queue as well. Thanks for the advice, Sebastian - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:23:34 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: Movies: Fitzcarraldo >> Fitzcarraldo is not by any means my favorite Herzog movie BUT: you >> absolutely have to watch the "making of Fitzcarraldo" movie which I think >> is on the same disk in the bonus materials section > > Not on my copy. The release in Germany is done by Arthaus, and there were no > extras except for the commentary track in German. I think you all are talking about Les Blank's documentary Burden of Dreams, which is available separately on Criterion in the US. Herzog is fucking awesome no matter how you slice it. - -- "In this horrible age of abuse and decay, it's good to know that somebody's looking okay" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #163 ********************************