From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #142 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 12 2009 Volume 17 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Netflix [Rex ] Re: Speaking of movies [Tom Clark ] Re: Speaking of movies and other things [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Speaking of movies [lep ] Re: Speaking of movies [lep ] Unashamed self-plug. It's all about ME! [James Dignan ] tl;dr (with credits to Rex and Eddie) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] everyone's a critic [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: tl;dr (with credits to Rex and Eddie) [lep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:31:12 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Netflix On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:07 PM, 2fs wrote: > > God I'm typing craply toinght - and not caring. MORE BEER.) > "Craply" FTW. But it should be "MOAR BEER". Shouting lager lager lager lager... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:51:35 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Speaking of movies On May 11, 2009, at 7:59 PM, lep wrote: > i know a few hardcore alex cox fan, and "straight to hell" is always > talked about. It's in my Netflix queue because I haven't seen it since it hit VHS. I don't remember being too impressed with it despite the all star cast. Perhaps its humor was too subtle, or its drama too casual - who knows. One piece of movie madness. I saw "The Loved One" last weekend on a recommendation and it was one of the strangest mid 60's b&w english films with Robert Morse and John Gielgud that I've ever seen. Then driving to work this morning and listening to the Filmspotting guys talking about Rod Steiger's performance in "In The Heat Of The Night", all I could think about was Steiger in "The Loved One", playing an effeminate undertaker. Anybody else seen this? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:23:14 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Speaking of movies and other things On May 11, 2009, at 9:01 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Carrie Galbraith > wrote: >> Then there is the quirkly little "western" by Alex Cox : "Straight >> to Hell." > I *love* this movie. It was (seemingly, at least) unavailable for > years...and then I found a set of 4 DVDs (at, of all places, Best > Buy) with > this, Repo Man, and a handful of later things that varied from pretty > interesting (his version of a Borges story) to...interesting. > I love this film too and actually found it on DVD, not bundled. But hey, I really like Alex Cox. I mean Sid and Nancy? Gary Oldman's debut in film? Wow. Color me riveted. > On May 11, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >> On May 11, 2009, at 7:59 PM, lep wrote: >>> i know a few hardcore alex cox fan, and "straight to hell" is always >>> talked about. >> >> It's in my Netflix queue because I haven't seen it since it hit >> VHS. I don't remember being too impressed with it despite the all >> star cast. Perhaps its humor was too subtle, or its drama too >> casual - who knows. >> I think the VHS version was like the screen release (yes, I saw it on the big screen - ya gotta love the bay area). Cut all to hell with several scenes missing so as to make it incoherent. Much like, hmmm, Blade Runner or Pat Garret & Billy the Kid... Evil Hollywood film studio execs... On May 11, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Rex wrote: > This has reached a zenith in the new Star Trek-- where no lens > flare has > gone before, it's lots and lots of lens flare. I loved the movie, > actually, > but damn... lens flare is the new cowbell, apparently. While I doubt I'll actually see the Star Trek film, isn't the whole resurgence of the lens flare the brainchild of our *other* God: Joss Whedon? I've read it was intentional for both the lens flare and jerky/out-of-focus camera with Firefly. > On May 11, 2009, at 7:59 PM, lep wrote: >> this is a good "must see" list (sadly, i've not seem a few of them, >> and i don't know that i've even heard of "the sand pebbles.") >> The Sand Pebbles (1966) - directed by Robert Wise, with the greatest acting The King of Cool ever performed. A beautiful anti-war narrative. It was this film, not The Great Escape or The Getaway (*gasp* Peckinpah!), that made me revere Steve McQueen. Can anyone tell the semester is over? A little bit too much postage... - - c - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Let us develop a kind of dangerous unselfishness." Martin Luther King Jr. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 02:49:39 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: movies you love to hate Laura says: > Dean is my maiden name, but I use it as my middle name because I never > could stand my middle name. dean is a very cool name. > I actually changed it in memory of my dad, who passed away in 1999. that's very sweet. (when you said that, it occurred to me if i were in our situation, i would be kind of making a choice between my mom and my dad, since my middle name is my mother's first name, elizabeth.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 02:53:31 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Speaking of movies 2fs says: > The problem with me and film is that, uh, they take time. You can't watch > them faster. And I just don't have that much of it. then what the hell do you do to procrastinate? actually, i feel like movies take away from time i might otherwise spend reading. but i also think i'm kind of lying to myself when i think this. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:36:20 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Speaking of movies tc says: > One piece of movie madness. I saw "The Loved One" last weekend on a > recommendation and it was one of the strangest mid 60's b&w english films > with Robert Morse and John Gielgud that I've ever seen. (so how many strange mid 60's b&w english films with robert morse and john gielgud *are* there?) i've been cursing out my lame google/gmail skills for last 15 minutes when i should have been cursing my lame memory. i was thinking someone had put "the loved one" on one of the "top 10" lists that's been posted in the last few days, but that's not the case. where "the loved one" actually showed up was on the list which eddie recently referred to at: http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/1997-1/v05.n127 now eddie's the oracle, what with the wicked memory (or the wicked search skills), so for all i he can remember which fegs got it on the list 12 years. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:41:16 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Unashamed self-plug. It's all about ME! For those of you interested in such things, my latest solo art exhibition opens here in Dunedin on Friday. I know y'all can't get along to it, but there are pics of a lot of the paintingsthat are going into it at and James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:41:40 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: movies you love to hate Love your choices, Laura. Have you watched [REC]? It's possibly my all-time favourite, right up there with 28 Days and the Dawn remake. It's Spanish, with subtitles. They've recently Hollywood-remade it with Jennifer Carpeter, under the title Quarantine, but I'd stick with the original unless you really hate subtitles. My favourite horror films, besides [REC]: Dawn of the Dead (remake) Night of the Living Dead (original) The Descent 28 Days Later Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original) It's funny, it should be a longer list. I *love* horror movies, but to be honest, there's not a lot of them that I really end up thinking are excellent. I just love the good ones so much, it's worth it to me to keep looking for them. peace, Edward >----Original Message---- >From: ldgolias1@verizon.net >Date: 11/05/2009 1:41 >To: >Cc: >Subj: Re: movies you love to hate > > I agree with you an these movies. >They are all favorites of mine. >Also on my list are: > >The Exorcist >Rosemary's Baby >Halloween (the original) >28 Days Later >Night Of The Living Dead >Dawn Of The Dead (remake) >The Amityville Horror (remake) >Cat People (original) > >I also have a fondness for Bruce Campbell movies, even though they are >campy. >Some newer horror movies I enjoyed are The Haunting In Connecticut and >The Strangers, and Bug. >If I had to pick a favorite horror movie, I would have to say Halloween. >(original). > >Laura Dean Golias >ldgolias1@verizon.net > >May 10, 2009 06:50:54 PM, eleanore@tdl.com wrote: > > The Thing - by John Carpenter (well all the Carpender movies really) > Jaws (Speilberg) > Alien (Ridley Scott) > The Ring - american version > Get 50% off Norton Security 2009 only from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:27:29 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: Speaking of movies jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com said: >It occurs to me that I do not believe I've ever seen a Sam Peckinpah film. Surely you've seen 'Salad Days'! "I say! Anyone for tennis?" peace, Edward Get 50% off Norton Security 2009 only from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:54:02 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: Speaking of movies 2009/5/12 Carrie Galbraith > On May 11, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > > > Re. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid -- I watched that because of the > > soundtrack -- which I just loved -- but could not take the > > violence. The violence in that seemed so repetitious as to lose any > > meaning and become dull. (This was also how I responded to No > > Country for Old Men.) My favorite piece of the soundtrack is the > > harmonica riff that you hear whenever one of the characters (forgot > > who) appears. (And am I remembering right, that's the western that > > has a rich character who lives in a railroad car?) > Maybe you're thinking of Evil Roy Slade? and Sherrif Bing Bell. Ah, John Astin - will you ever stop channeling Gomez? I hope not. c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:15 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: tl;dr (with credits to Rex and Eddie) I'm pulling an Eddie here by merging all kinds of threads and mails ... I'm trying to keep the attributions straight, but I don't promise anything. - --On 10. Mai 2009 10:57:08 -0400 lep wrote: > Jeremy says: >> This thread of conversation is reminding me to ask whether you people >> (And especially You Softboy Girl!) have seen The Pervert's Guide to >> Cinema by Slavoj Zizek. A lot of fun, it is. > > no, i hadn't heard of this. but now i have to see it! Same here. >> My favorite (Sir Alfred) Hitchcocks are the psychological ones -- I love, >> love "Lifeboat" and "Rear Window" but only love "Vertigo". "The Birds" >> and "Psycho" didn't really do much for me but I'm sure I'll give them >> another try. "North by Northwest" is sort of in its own category -- >> Hitchcock parodied himself a lot but never (I think) as overtly as here. > > i think "vertigo" is actually one of his most psychological - that's > why i love it so much. i especially love the doubling in it - or > whatever you call in how events and people repeat themselves in > variations. plus, it's just cool to watch stewart play such a dark > character. I agree completely. The end is so terrible (in a good way) that I always have to brace myself for it. > and "north by northwest" i love because it's just so much fun (you're > dead on about its being in its own category.) It's probably the movie I've seen the most often, because my father also loves it. (His other classic favorite is Arsenic & Old Lace) > i haven't seen cronenerg's more gory movies. but i do love "exitenz" > and especially "dead ringers". "naked lunch" not so much, but i > should watch it again. I've seen a few of his earlier films on cable a long time ago (Rabid, Scanners, Videodrome), but that may have been cut versions. I really liked Dead Ringers, but all my female aquaintances hated it, IIRC. I was disappointed by eXistenZ. It didn't seem all that original to me. - --On 10. Mai 2009 17:57:27 -0400 lep wrote: > again, this is well put. personally, i tend to shut down with certain > imagery, and that can't be a much of good thing as far as viewer > involvement. then again, some people tend to shut down with certain > ideas, so i guess it all depends on what you're looking for. What exactly do you mean when you say "shut down"? Not let yourself be affected as much? I do that all the time. I don't know how you could survive a Lars von Trier movie otherwise. I've never really thought about what that entails. Is it a defect of a movie if it requires a certain detachment for the viewer to be able to stand it? Or should I let myself suffer more than I do to earn some kind of catharsis? > what you wrote is actually a better description than i could have > given for my problem with "requiem for a dream." it's like > aronofsky's just bitch-slapping the viewer instead of giving him the > space to think or imagine. not much of a way to tell the story, IMO. I like that movie, although I don't love it. It's the only Aronofsky I've seen so far, so I don't know if all his movies work like that. I get what you mean, but I think both modes, i.e. bitch-slapping and a more subtle approach, can be valid. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other. [Dean] > (if i had gotten the name, i would > > have annoyed everyone i know by insisting they call me "dean", i'm > > sure by the age of 18.) > > And then you could've set up a toll-free number and gone on to become > huge > in the reaper business! Was that just too dumb or did nobody get it? - --On 11. Mai 2009 13:15:48 -0700 Carrie Galbraith wrote: > On May 11, 2009, at 6:11 AM, lep wrote: > >> Jeremy wrote: >> speaking of peckinpah, i have a small fascination with "straw dogs" >> but not enough to actually see it (i'm not sure which freaks me out >> more: the "thin veil of civilization" or "mathematician loses it.") I'm not sure if I understand that sentence. Do you have the "small fascination" without *ever* having seen it, or dou you mean it's not enough to see it *again*? > Straw Dogs is the one Peckinpah film I couldn't watch (well, along > with the Osterman Weekend). And I'm a fan of his work as well as of > Dustin Hoffman. But I can't stand a lot of tension in film. And the > tension - leading up to what was going to be a bad conclusion - made > me get up and leave the theater. I've had this same experience with > other films (Dead Calm comes to mind) as well as the TV show 24. I > can't watch it. Well, I watched "Straw Dogs" for the first time last night. It certainly takes a lot out of you. I really like shows like 24, so the tension is not an issue, but it poses lots of uncomfortable questions. It reminded me of Deliverance (which came out only one year later, as I just noticed), and the Henry Niles character is similar to Of Mice & Men's Lennie. I'm looking forward to the commentary tracks. > The guy was a notorious drunk but his films were bleeding edge. The > WIld Bunch made people leave the theaters to throw up because no one, > ever, had filmed violence that way. Tarantino may think he has the > patent on violence in films but Peckinpah... For the scene of the > massacre in the beginning of WB, he had 5 cameras rolling all > shooting at different speeds. Never been done before. Wow, I guess I'm looking forward to that then ;-) (It's in my queue). Somehow I always thought Soldie Blue (which I haven't seen) was by Peckinpah, because it's also supposed to be ultra-violent. has anybody seen that? How does it compare? > IMHO - Tarantino films are about glorifying violence, Fortunately not all of them. I don't like Pulp Fiction, because it felt like what you describe, and I don't really "get" Kill Bill, but Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown are different, IMO. Reservoir Dogs may be the most violent in a way, but to me there it wasn't just self-serving but actually contributed to the story. > Peckinpah uses > violence as intrinsic to the story, needed to further the narrative. > That is why I can take it in a Peckinpah film and can't stand > Tarantino's movies. They are all surface. There's no there, there. Have you seen the ones I mention or is that based on Pulp Fiction alone? Because I agree on that, but for the others I feel it's like with Peckinpah. - --On 11. Mai 2009 19:27:21 -0700 Carrie Galbraith wrote: > I forgot to mention my love of Altman films. I say this because > talking about Peckinpah westerns makes me think of McCabe & Mrs. > Miller - a film I quite like Me too. I haven't seen enough Altman, but what I know has been rather hit & miss. I liked The Player, but I didn't like Short Cuts, because it seemed too cynical to me. The brutal ending just didn't make any sense to me. I hated Kansas City. I liked Cookie's Fortune and I really liked Gosford Park. > As for classics - these could be termed "must see": > Touch of Evil > Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast > Metropolis > The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari > Amercord > La Strada > Aus Revoir Les Enfants > The 39 Steps > The Sand Pebbles > Midnight Cowboy > Five Easy Pieces > Last Tango in Paris (I LIKED this film!) > Walkabout > Don't Look Now (I agree Lauren, and it makes me homesick for Venice!) I know most of them, and I love quite a few, but I didn't like Last Tango. Perhaps I was too young. - --On 11. Mai 2009 22:59:18 -0400 lep wrote: > i know a few hardcore alex cox fan, and "straight to hell" is always > talked about. my brother-in-law, in particular, loves that movie (not > surprisingly, he's a joe strummer fan as well.) I'd never heard of either and the film has a phenomenally low IMDb score: 5.3! - --On 12. Mai 2009 03:36:20 -0400 lep wrote: > i was thinking someone had put "the loved one" on one of the "top 10" > lists that's been posted in the last few days, but that's not the > case. where "the loved one" actually showed up was on the list which > eddie recently referred to at: > http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/1997-1/v05.n127 > now eddie's the oracle, what with the wicked memory (or the wicked > search skills), so for all i he can remember which fegs got it on the > list 12 years. Looking at that list I had no memory of it. Then I checked my personal Fegmaniax archive (only selected messages) and found that there is a hole between then end of 1996 and the beginning of 2000. So did I somehow manage to delete part of my archive or did I actually unsubscribe for three years? Who would remember if I don't ... :-) My first message, btw, was on June 15, 1993 ... - --On 12. Mai 2009 02:53:31 -0400 lep wrote: > actually, i feel like movies take away from time i might otherwise > spend reading. but i also think i'm kind of lying to myself when i > think this. I know the feeling :-) - --On 11. Mai 2009 22:23:14 -0700 Carrie Galbraith wrote: > I love this film too and actually found it on DVD, not bundled. But > hey, I really like Alex Cox. Hm, based on all the love I suppose I should check it out after all. Easier said than done, though. Many movies aren't out on DVD here. I order from the UK a lot, but then of course I have to buy them and can't rent ... not a problem when I'm confident I'm going to like the movie, but in this instance I'm not so sure. > The Sand Pebbles (1966) - directed by Robert Wise, with the greatest > acting The King of Cool ever performed. A beautiful anti-war > narrative. It was this film, not The Great Escape or The Getaway > (*gasp* Peckinpah!), that made me revere Steve McQueen. Straight to my queue. The German title is "Kanonenboot am Yangtse-Kiang" in case you were wondering ;-) - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:05:37 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: topher, yay! (100% dollhouse) - --On 9. Mai 2009 18:26:27 -0400 lep wrote: > (and is it me, or does ms. dushku play basically the same character > every time she gets an imprint? That's the common criticism on the Internet. Many people feel that both Dichen Lachman and Amy Acker would've made better lead actresses. The story behind the story is that Eliza Dushku already had a development deal with Fox when Joss came up with the idea for Dollhouse. I don't think she's as bad an actress as many people claim, and I think it's part of the writers' job to write to her strengths. >> I don't believe there will be >> another season, but I'm looking forward to the DVD set (I might even >> spring for the BluRay edition), just to see the extra episode that Fox >> won't show. > > i hadn't heard about the extra episode. where does it fit in the series? After "Omega". It's supposed to "change everything", whatever that means. > i must not understand something about television politics because even > if fox drops the show, it makes no sense to me than sci-fi wouldn't > pick it up. From what I heard it's just too expensive to produce! The different networks have very different budgets. I don't know any hard numbers, but BSG probably cost less than half per episode of what Dollhouse costs. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:40:32 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: topher, yay! (100% dollhouse) craigie* says: > (and - in an aside - I finally met a girl who fulfils the criteria below. > Including the black vinyl! Now I just have tio figure out how to make her > mine alone! Bwahahahaha!) well, first things first: you've got the english accent - your evil plan can practically write itself. although, hmm, i guess if she's english, too, it doesn't doesn't work quite as well. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:11:53 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: everyone's a critic http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=roby n+hitchcock&ty=0&x=44&y=12 my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:14 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: tl;dr (with credits to Rex and Eddie) Sebastian says: > --On 10. Mai 2009 17:57:27 -0400 lep wrote: > >> again, this is well put. personally, i tend to shut down with certain >> imagery, and that can't be a much of good thing as far as viewer >> involvement. then again, some people tend to shut down with certain >> ideas, so i guess it all depends on what you're looking for. > > What exactly do you mean when you say "shut down"? Not let yourself be > affected as much? well, one thing i do is actually shut my eyes, but even if i don't do that, i may as well - i just stop seeing the movie, really (until i can tell the scene changes.) i also do things like tap my foot or my hand (sometimes against the arm of movie companion (i.e. hand, not foot.)) > I do that all the time. I don't know how you could survive > a Lars von Trier movie otherwise. another good example of about my limit. i haven't seen all his movies, but the one i'm thinking of is "breaking the waves" and ISTR it was the one scene in particular. > I've never really thought about what that > entails. Is it a defect of a movie if it requires a certain detachment for > the viewer to be able to stand it? i think it depends. i'm fine with e.g. the way tarantino keeps the viewer detached because it's part of his style. i think the way he uses violence is integrated with just how he is a director and how he tells the story. although any example i give in this direction will kind of by definition be a movie that has a level of violence (or bitch-slapping, whatever) that i'm okay with. and tarantino i'm generally fine with - the "resevoir dogs" scene is a particular stand out (probably because it's drawn out.) > Or should I let myself suffer more than I > do to earn some kind of catharsis? god, no. i mean, unless that's your thing. >> what you wrote is actually a better description than i could have >> given for my problem with "requiem for a dream." it's like >> aronofsky's just bitch-slapping the viewer instead of giving him the >> space to think or imagine. not much of a way to tell the story, IMO. > > I like that movie, although I don't love it. It's the only Aronofsky I've > seen so far, so I don't know if all his movies work like that. I get what > you mean, but I think both modes, i.e. bitch-slapping and a more subtle > approach, can be valid. I don't think one is necessarily better than the > other. it just was too much for me. it's like "drugs suck, and people are evil." tell me something i don't know. and i like "drugs suck" movies (e.g. i drove into the city to see "requiem for a dream " the day after it was released.) > [Dean] >> >> (if i had gotten the name, i would >> > have annoyed everyone i know by insisting they call me "dean", i'm >> > sure by the age of 18.) >> >> And then you could've set up a toll-free number and gone on to become >> huge >> in the reaper business! > > Was that just too dumb or did nobody get it? well no, not too dumb, and yes, got it (but didn't say anything.) and i noticed that i never connected the dots between the two "dean"s before. (i considered saying robyn's name play in his songs is often lost on me. although i adore his talking about "martha" in "storefront hitchcock" - specifically, i love how he gets to the point where he says that calling her by a single name is "almost insulting.") >>> Jeremy wrote: >>> speaking of peckinpah, i have a small fascination with "straw dogs" >>> but not enough to actually see it (i'm not sure which freaks me out >>> more: the "thin veil of civilization" or "mathematician loses it.") > > I'm not sure if I understand that sentence. Do you have the "small > fascination" without *ever* having seen it, or dou you mean it's not enough > to see it *again*? no, i haven't seen it. i'm not sure where i've read about it, but i probably first became aware of the movie about 10 or 15 years ago. ISTR that uncut magazine had a big fascination with it. as far as the "small fascination" part - well, my myers-briggs description has me paint-by-numbers: "The deep commitment of INFPs to the positive and the good causes them to be alert to the negative and the evil, which can take the form of a fascination with the profane. Thus INFPs may live a paradox, drawn toward purity and unity but looking over the shoulder toward the sullied and desecrated." the only reason i haven't seen it is, from what i read, it's violent in a way that sounds like it would be better if i just skipped it. >> Straw Dogs is the one Peckinpah film I couldn't watch (well, along >> with the Osterman Weekend). And I'm a fan of his work as well as of >> Dustin Hoffman. But I can't stand a lot of tension in film. And the >> tension - leading up to what was going to be a bad conclusion - made >> me get up and leave the theater. I've had this same experience with >> other films (Dead Calm comes to mind) as well as the TV show 24. I >> can't watch it. i think i like a lot of tension, as long as the violence isn't an issue. although it can be a bit exhausting. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #142 ********************************