From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #123 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 21 2009 Volume 17 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:FZ, but the subject's changed... [James Dignan ] Re: My name is "Eb", and I am probably the best woodsman in Belize [Rex <] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [Jeremy Osner ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [Rex ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [Tom Clark ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [Jeff Dwarf ] Saturn pics (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [lep ] Re: Saturn pics (NR) [Tom Clark ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [kevin studyvin ] Re: They're everywhere! [Tom Clark ] Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... [James Dignan Subject: Re:FZ, but the subject's changed... > That is quite possibly the saddest piece of music ever recorded...even > if it is not in D minor. :) The saddest piece ever recorded is in a major key! If you can sit through "Puff the magic dragon" without getting even vaguely teary-eyed, you have no soul. James (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is the saddest piece ever recorded?) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:00:35 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am probably the best woodsman in Belize On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:18 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Agreed that this would indeed be a peak of awesomosity. Stipe could add > vocals to other tracks - and he does play a bit of rhythm guitar, maybe he > could fill in bits here and there, add some tambourine, etc. Or he could > take a break periodically. The one thing V3 lacks (as I implied in my "Sean > Nelson for V4" post) is someone to do the third vocal parts that a lot of > Robyn's songs, particularly the SB and RH&E songs, end up missing in the V3 > format. Mr. Nelson did the whole set with the V3 the last time I saw them, and he is missed on the recordings from this tour. What's amazing is how Scott does such wildly different harmonies from song to song... he really knows his stuff, and he has the unenviable task of deciding which part of the 3-part harmony is salient to each song, and then he damn does it! Maybe Robyn gives him some direction, but his versatility stands on its own merits. - -Rex > Unless someone wants to give Mr. Buck a mic (I'm guessing the man > does not sing, at all.) > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:20:11 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, James Dignan wrote: > That is quite possibly the saddest piece of music ever recorded...even >> if it is not in D minor. :) >> > > The saddest piece ever recorded is in a major key! If you can sit through > "Puff the magic dragon" without getting even vaguely teary-eyed, you have no > soul. > > James (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is the > saddest piece ever recorded?) > Possibly due to the historical moment when it was released and the dipshit controversy which grew around it, I can't hear it without laughing but mostly I can't handle PP&M at all anyway. The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as performed by Neil Young. Or maybe "I Wish I Was Your Mother" by Ian Hunter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:28 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am probably the best woodsman in Belize I'm pretty sure I have an off-air recording of a KEXP benefit they did a while back, which I think is still up at the Triple Door site, where RH introduces the band as "the Venus 3 plus one" on account of Sean being with them that afternoon. It's a pretty nice set, including a Robyn rap about the sexual effect on hamsters of the sound of tuning guitars. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Rex wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:18 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > > Agreed that this would indeed be a peak of awesomosity. Stipe could add > > vocals to other tracks - and he does play a bit of rhythm guitar, maybe > he > > could fill in bits here and there, add some tambourine, etc. Or he could > > take a break periodically. The one thing V3 lacks (as I implied in my > "Sean > > Nelson for V4" post) is someone to do the third vocal parts that a lot of > > Robyn's songs, particularly the SB and RH&E songs, end up missing in the > V3 > > format. > > > Mr. Nelson did the whole set with the V3 the last time I saw them, and he > is > missed on the recordings from this tour. What's amazing is how Scott does > such wildly different harmonies from song to song... he really knows his > stuff, and he has the unenviable task of deciding which part of the 3-part > harmony is salient to each song, and then he damn does it! Maybe Robyn > gives him some direction, but his versatility stands on its own merits. > > -Rex > > > > > Unless someone wants to give Mr. Buck a mic (I'm guessing the man > > does not sing, at all.) > > > > -- > > > > ...Jeff Norman > > > > The Architectural Dance Society > > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:25:40 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, James Dignan wrote: > >> That is quite possibly the saddest piece of music ever recorded...even >>> if it is not in D minor. :) >>> >> >> The saddest piece ever recorded is in a major key! If you can sit through >> "Puff the magic dragon" without getting even vaguely teary-eyed, you have no >> soul. >> >> James (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is >> the saddest piece ever recorded?) >> > > Possibly due to the historical moment when it was released and the dipshit > controversy which grew around it, I can't hear it without laughing but > mostly I can't handle PP&M at all anyway. > > The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as > performed by Neil Young. Or maybe "I Wish I Was Your Mother" by Ian Hunter. > Also, Fairport's "Farewell Farewell." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:29:47 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am probably the best woodsman in Belize eddie says: > by the way, is he singing "myth america", or > "miss america" (with a bit of a lisp)? see, i don't want to look it up, > 'cause i kinda like not knowing (but wouldn't mind hearing others' theories > about why it must be one or the other). *thank you* for that. it's kind of been driving me insane(r). i definitely don't think he's saying "miss america" since that's been the source of the crazy-making -- i know it's *not* "miss america" but that's the only thing i could pull out of it because it sounds(?) so much like what he's saying. and there is something very weird (i.e. very interesting) about it, because as i wrote "sounds", i knew it was kind of the wrong word. maybe it's the wrong word because i don't think it's accidental. at any rate, armed with "What I Learned on fegList To-day", i can now form a theory. which is: he's fucking with us. > "Sixteen Years": his voice sounds better here than it has since...maybe > even *before* *Elixir*. how'd that happen? i never have *any* clue what you're talking with regard to robyn's voice. i don't doubt what you say it about it; i just never notice it. like when he had the crack cocaine voice**, he sounded just as always to me. ** N.B. i know that's not what you called it, but that's what i named it (ISTR that it was not robyn with the crack, but the guy who liked the album?) i find these kind of differences in people really interesting (although i guess the people differing have to be at least somewhat interesting, or maybe just polite, because otherwise it's a bunch of yelling. which is what make "curb your enthusiasm" so great, but makes the general public so unbearable.) i guess i attribute it to what one pays attention to, and so, in some sense, there's something kind of arbitrary to it. and then if you generalize on that (and, really, how could you *not*?), it ends up that reality is not much different. i mean, from the idea; i fully accept that reality is different than robyn's vocalization history. the point being that there's something arbitrary about reality. the thought of it, of course is what i mean. and this isn't exactly a new concept - it's just that i like how easily i get to the idea from i.e. the fact that i have no idea what eddie's talking about. (that paragraph makes me miss ken.) (i seem to write a lot of things that i'm pretty certain that only ken would enjoy reading. which probably just goes to show my lack of interest in editing anything i post on here.) > overall, i'm just flabbergasted by how much i love this album. reading that made me a bit happy. > well, i guess this doesn't leave much for stipey to do during robyn's > songs, excepting of course the obvious vocal duties in "Dark Green Energy", > "She Doesn't Exist", and "Uncorrected Personality Traits" MAKE IT STOP!!1!!!!!!!!!!! xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:38:44 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... - -- kevin studyvin is rumored to have mumbled on 20. April 2009 17:20:11 -0700 regarding Re: FZ, but the subject's changed...: > > The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as > performed by Neil Young. I love that song (and he plays a great version in the Heart Of Gold movie), but to me that's more melancholic than sad. Really sad songs are How Soon Is Now or The Chalet Lines by Belle & Sebastian, just as examples. I'd have to think too hard to choose one specific song. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:51:33 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... Rainbow Connection. Makes me cry every time. I don't know why. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:25 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, James Dignan >wrote: > > > >> That is quite possibly the saddest piece of music ever recorded...even > >>> if it is not in D minor. :) > >>> > >> > >> The saddest piece ever recorded is in a major key! If you can sit > through > >> "Puff the magic dragon" without getting even vaguely teary-eyed, you > have no > >> soul. > >> > >> James (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is > >> the saddest piece ever recorded?) > >> > > > > Possibly due to the historical moment when it was released and the > dipshit > > controversy which grew around it, I can't hear it without laughing but > > mostly I can't handle PP&M at all anyway. > > > > The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as > > performed by Neil Young. Or maybe "I Wish I Was Your Mother" by Ian > Hunter. > > > > Also, Fairport's "Farewell Farewell." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:04:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I am probably the best woodsman in Belize On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > I'm pretty sure I have an off-air recording of a KEXP benefit they did a > while back, which I think is still up at the Triple Door site, where RH > introduces the band as "the Venus 3 plus one" on account of Sean being with > them that afternoon. It's a pretty nice set, including a Robyn rap about > the sexual effect on hamsters of the sound of tuning guitars. That was a recurring theme of that tour's banter. And we liked it. Fegmania: it's a good life/ - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:16 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... The most reliable tear-jerker I can think of, is "Two Soldiers" as performed by Bob Dylan. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:17:11 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > That is quite possibly the saddest piece of music ever recorded...even > >> if it is not in D minor. :) > >> > > > > The saddest piece ever recorded is in a major key! If you can sit through > > "Puff the magic dragon" without getting even vaguely teary-eyed, you have > no > > soul. > > > > James (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is > the > > saddest piece ever recorded?) > > > > Possibly due to the historical moment when it was released and the dipshit > controversy which grew around it, I can't hear it without laughing but > mostly I can't handle PP&M at all anyway. My dad founded too much of his performing career on a... erm... dirty, I guess, version of that song for me to ever even hear it, at all. Even when it's being played, with me right there. > > > The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as > performed by Neil Young. I'm awfully partial to the original version, as much as I love Neil's. For some reason Ian & Sylvia just sit well with me, however many reasons might be cited for them not to. - -Rex > Or maybe "I Wish I Was Your Mother" by Ian Hunter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:34:12 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:54 PM, James Dignan wrote: > (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is > the saddest piece ever recorded?) I can't think of anything in particular from a melody standpoint, but "Our Town" by Iris Dement just slays me every time. And of course 4'33" terrifies me... Speaking of Watermelon in Easter Hay, the first time I saw Dweezil's ZPZ show someone requested that and he said "It's too soon. Maybe someday..." So I guess it holds a special sadness for Dweezil too. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... James Dignan wrote: > (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do > YOU think is the saddest piece ever recorded?) R.E.M. "Find the River" "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:05:00 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Saturn pics (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:10:41 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... James says: > (sensing a potential thread about to start...what do YOU think is the > saddest piece ever recorded?) it would take me way long to come up with the answer that felt anything like the actual truth, but i did think about it for a while. i'm going with "pale blue eyes". NO COVERS. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:31:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Saturn pics (NR) On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > Wow. "[It] must be lonely, out there on the rim of space..." - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:52:59 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... > The saddest tune I know is Ian Tyson's "Four Strong Winds," mostly as >> performed by Neil Young. > > > I'm awfully partial to the original version, as much as I love Neil's. For > some reason Ian & Sylvia just sit well with me, however many reasons might > be cited for them not to. > What's not to like? I love that stuff. "When I Was a Cowboy" is a classic. > > -Rex > >> Or maybe "I Wish I Was Your Mother" by Ian Hunter. > > Oh, I forgot I'm a sucker for Patti Smith's "Pissin' In a River." And "Blues In D" from the first McGarrigle Sisters LP. "One More Cup Of Coffee" seriously used to put the screws to my little broken heart too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:26:20 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: They're everywhere! Note the name of the Minnesota Public Radio guy who responded to me... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: Jeff gmail - ----- Original message ----- From: "Wells, Michael" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:42:45 -0500 Subject: FW: Not a solo album Jeff - Thanks for the note. I've updated the session page to reflect the inclusion of The Venus 3. Michael Wells Managing Editor Digital Media, Music ------------------------------ *From:* Jeff Norman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:20 AM *Subject:* FormBuilder: Not a solo album *Form: *Your Voice Commentaries *Referring URL: * http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/04/20/robyn_hitchcock/ Contact Information Q: Your commentary title: A: Not a solo album Q: Submit a commentary: A: The article accompanying the stream of Robyn Hitchcock's performance refers to _Goodnight Oslo_ as Hitchcock's latest solo album. It is not. It is billed, as was his last album, to Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3. And anyone listening to the album will become aware that it is, in fact, the work of a band: the contributions of the Venus 3 (Peter Buck of R.E.M., Scott McCaughey of the Young Fresh Fellows, and Bill Rieflin of R.E.M.'s touring band) are essential to the sound and feel of the album. Q: May Minnesota Public Radio send you e-mail regarding its programs or Web sites? A: No ) 2009 American Public Media - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:03:08 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: They're everywhere! On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:26 PM, 2fs wrote: > Note the name of the Minnesota Public Radio guy who responded to me... > > ----- Original message ----- > From: "Wells, Michael" > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:42:45 -0500 > Subject: FW: Not a solo album > > Jeff - > Thanks for the note. I've updated the session page to reflect the > inclusion > of The Venus 3. > > Michael Wells > Managing Editor Digital Media, Music That dude gets a lot of work done from airports. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:52 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: FZ, but the subject's changed... >Oh, I forgot I'm a sucker for Patti Smith's "Pissin' In a River." >And "Blues In D" from the first McGarrigle Sisters LP. "One More >Cup Of Coffee" seriously used to put the screws to my little broken >heart too. If you want a sad, sad McGarrigles song, try "I eat dinner". James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #123 ********************************