From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #98 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 31 2009 Volume 17 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Enz-yte [Rex ] Re: Dandelions, and unable to like [Tom Clark ] Re: more fodder [Terrence Marks ] Re: More Fodder [Terrence Marks ] Re:more and more fodder [Terrence Marks ] Interesting SCIENCE! about mondegreens [Tom Clark ] Re: what Vivien said [vivien lyon ] Re: what Vivien said [Rex ] Re: what Vivien said [Tom Clark ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [lep ] Re: more fodder [] Re: classical [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Colin Meloy explains Hazards Of Love [Sebastian Hagedorn ] REAP: Andy Hallet (the Host) ["craigie*" ] Re: Dukes reissues ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: what Vivien said ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Rachels Hochzeit [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Rachels Hochzeit [Jeremy Osner ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: more fodder [Rex ] Re: jeff beck , the OOO and the G Dead - beware strong opinions ! [Rex Subject: Re: Enz-yte On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > Hey don't look now > But there goes god > In his sexy pants > And his sausage dog > > Reasonable lyric, good tune. Conclusion: Miles is incorrect! And although God is still in the dog as I recalled, I agree: Steve is correct. There can be no doubting the celestial majesty of "Weather With You", can there? I loved that song for year before I found out that it was an actual sing-along-level *hit song* outside the US. And when I did find that out, it made me very, very happy. Like coming home. - -Rex > > > > - Steve > __________ > I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl > with a scythe. - John > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:26:25 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Dandelions, and unable to like On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >> but after that SuperBowl >> performance, geez...he might as well be Elton John at this point. > > Whaaa? I totally dug the Super Bowl performance. Live Elt at this > point is also synonymous with "phoning it in," and that performance > imo was very much the opposite of "phoned in." I wish "Glory Days" > hadn't been in the set, but he rocked it out, even if I wouldn't have > picked it. Really? He just seemed to be putting on the show for people, with no sincerity. Meh - I'll enjoy BTR for the rest of my life and not think about the other Bruce. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:29:22 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: more fodder > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:21 -0500 > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: a million feggish things > > Terrence: >>> as to music that we might not like........ >>> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and >>> that you wish you liked? >> >> Richard Thompson. Babbacombe Lee is my favorite Fairport Convention >> album. I've got a majority of his albums, and I'd like them > > Seems like there was supposed to be more to this thought. Was this > going to be about not liking Richard's voice? I adore it, and him, > but can see where it might be offputting. Still pissed that I missed > RT's show here this year (for financial reasons). Was hoping to > expose The Wife to his mighty playing. I don't think it's his voice. I like about as many songs on his albums with Linda as his solo albums; he always seems to hit about 30% for me. I'm not entirely sure why. A majority of most album just doesn't stay with me, no matter how many times I listen to. Pour Down Like Silver is, to me, Night Comes In, For Shame of Doing Wrong, and six other tracks I couldn't name or hum. And he's got this accordion. Maybe it's a bit too folky for me. I mean, I like folk-rock (Pentangle), folk-blues (Leadbelly), and folk-pop (The Kingston Trio); I just can't get in to pure folk. Miles says: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: >> > Light/White Heat is beyond me.> >> >> well, if that's your first and only exposure to the band, you're probably >> doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the other three records. > > The third, self-titled album isn't like WL/WH *at all.* I love the > whole catalog, but really, try that, or perhaps 1969 LIVE (my favorite > album ever) for a more representative VU experience... and you'll also > learn where the entire Luna catalog comes from. I recall trying to listen to some other Velvet Underground album once, and rating them somewhere between We the People and County Joe & The Fish (and definitely below the Jelly Bean Bandits)*. I don't remember which album it was. I may try again. I have the worst luck with good bands - if you recommend a band to me, I'll probably pick up the b-sides and remixes compilation by accident. Or the one after half the band left, that most fans disown. Or Preservation, Part 2. *: Yes, you probably think this is like telling people that I've heard the Beatles, but and think they're better than Chad & Jeremy, but just barely. Also, Viv says: > I was so musically naive at the time I didn't know "Pale and Precious" was a > Beach Boys pastiche. I only figured it out years later, upon hearing Pet > Sounds for the first time. Y'know, I still can't identify half of what theyr'e homaging. I think Pale & Precious is the only one I got on first listen. Terrence ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:35:41 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: More Fodder > it's likely that this is a point of semantics. but it seems like a > tautology having to do with the meaning of liking something - if you > don't like something, why would you bother to *want* to like it? Me, I deal in volume. Most of what I cited, I really love something that's one degree removed from them. I mean, intellectually I understand that Richard Thompson is one of the greatest guitarists out there. If I enjoyed his albums as much as I enjoyed, say, Pentangle's first couple albums, or as much as some of FCs' later stuff, there'd be more great music for me to listen to. (If I enjoyed Bert Jansch's solo/dup career that much, it'd be good too). I like finding a single, enjoying it, and discovering five more albums that are just as good. I'm sure there's someone out there who really loves Klark Kent, but just can't get into The Police. The rest of it is, unfairly, wishing that things hadn't changed. That Jack Bruce's solo career was as good as Cream, for instance. It wasn't, but what is? Terrence Marks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:43:45 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re:more and more fodder > it's likely that this is a point of semantics. but it seems like a > tautology having to do with the meaning of liking something - if you > don't like something, why would you bother to *want* to like it? Me, I deal in volume. Most of what I cited, I really love something that's one degree removed from them. I mean, intellectually I understand that Richard Thompson is one of the greatest guitarists out there. If I enjoyed his albums as much as I enjoyed, say, Pentangle's albums, or as much as some of FCs' later stuff, there'd be more great music for me to listen to. (If I enjoyed Bert Jansch's solo/dup career that much, it'd be good too). I like finding a single, enjoying it, and discovering five more albums that are just as good. I'm sure there's someone out there who really loves Klark Kent, but just can't get into The Police. The rest of it is, unfairly, wishing that things hadn't changed. That Jack Bruce's solo career was as good as Cream, for instance. It wasn't, but what is? ============= Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:16:32 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more fodder Stewart C Russel wrote: > Terrence Marks wrote: > > > Fun Trick Noisemaker and Tone Soul Evolution are two of my favorite > > albums. "Discovery of a world inside the Moone" is when the good > > song/bad song ratio went way downhill for me; I think I gave Velocity > > of Sound one listen, then gave up. > > Your trough is my peak: Discovery's my favourite Apples album. Velocity > is awesome, but too short. > > So, all-important question: where are you on Her Wallpaper Reverie? Strawberryfire is right up there with What's the #? and Pine Away. I think I liked Questions and Answers; I always love Hilarie's songs. The rest of it (especially Benefits of Lying and Y2K) I could leave. So I suppose that it's about even with Discovery. I really, really like about 1/3rd of Discovery (20 Cases, Allright/Not Quite, Bird That You Can't See, and something else..). I dislike Submarine Dream and Stream Running Over. The rest of it just bounced right off me. I didn't hate that half of the album. I'd be listening to it and think "I wish I were listening to music right now". Then I'd remember that I was, if that makes any sense. Velocity of Sound just all bounced off me on the first listen. I remember seeing The Apples live before Discovery came out and I think I was singing along with Bird That You Can't See before the song was over. Mind you, when they were playing Heroes & Villains, I was singing the backing vocals to myself as loudly as I could. Terrence http://www.yousayitfirst.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:56:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Interesting SCIENCE! about mondegreens http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/03/27/1868546.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:09:22 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: what Vivien said I'm not proud of my broccoli-hating ways. It's just who I am. *cries bitterly* On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Rex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Miles Goosens >wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > > > Ooh, I forgot in my earlier postings to make a stand for broccoli. > > I've always liked broccoli, even when I was a little kid who by virtue > > simply of being a little kid was expected to hate broccoli. It is a > > tasty and noble vegetable, and if you don't want your serving, I'll > > gladly accept it. > > p.s.: also pro-asparagus and artichoke! > > > Check, check and check. I will also decloak as someone who never disliked > brussel sprouts. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:23:34 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: what Vivien said On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:09 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > I'm not proud of my broccoli-hating ways. It's just who I am. *cries > bitterly* > Maybe this will help, Buttercup. http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c392143a6ab101143cd07ec70029 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:23:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: what Vivien said On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > I've always liked broccoli, even when I was a little kid who by virtue > simply of being a little kid was expected to hate broccoli. It is a > tasty and noble vegetable, and if you don't want your serving, I'll > gladly accept it. > Yes! I was always on the fence about broccoli until we grew our our own. Holy....shit...fresh broccoli is like nothing in the world. > p.s.: also pro-asparagus and artichoke! Come visit me this fall. We'll drive down though Gilroy, Watsonville and Salinas - you can go pick artichokes, garlic, strawberries... yourself. That is, provided Arnold fights for farm water rights. Dire straights are ahead if we can't irrigate California... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:11:19 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned viv says: > And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, but > I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > vinyl, too. But which one??? "live at the witch trials." and it's not just my favourite fall album; i believe it's also their first. re: the fall on vinyl: i only really like the fall albums that i have on vinyl. when i used to bother to buy their cds, i would just end up listening to "perverted by language" instead. IMO, the fall is highly redundant. not that there's anything wrong with that - it just make me that much less likely to bother to change the record. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:43:58 -0400 From: Subject: Re: more fodder > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:21 -0500 > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: a million feggish things > > Terrence: >>> as to music that we might not like........ >>> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, >>> and that you wish you liked? >> >> Richard Thompson. I tried this route, too. I couldn't get past his resurgence in the early 90's to go back and check out the FC catalog, or older solo material. "Rumour & Sigh" is about as soulless as it gets for me. Which is a pity, because he's got a superb pen, great licks, and has a quality band. I seem to remember mentioning several years ago that Elvis Costello left me wanting as well. (I believe I said his voice was like someone huffing in a phonebooth outside of Euston Station, and Viv nearly killed me, as I recall.) This opinion has not changed. Ween. Except for "Ocean Man", which is brilliant. I suspect it's the Spongebob Movie that won me over there. My ongoing CD rip project has unearthed some long-forgotten treasures, though... - -The Wonder Stuff - -Vernon Reid - -Pulp - -Moose - -Yo La Tengo ..which is nice. As far as the "wish I liked" category, I guess it'd be what used to be called "Top 40" radio. That way, I'd have *something* to listen to in the car when I get tired of reporters interviewing reporters on NPR. The Macca discussion is interesting. His work is a tough pie to divide evenly. He's got such a long career that it's difficult for anyone in his position not to repeat himself. He takes himself too seriously and not seriously enough, depending on the work. He has a lot of self-consciousness that might be construed with "putting on airs", and it's held him back, kept him vamping on the keyboard like a music hall maestro. Lennon, who was probably even more self-conscious, but somehow managed to bluff himself and everyone else with it. Viv (sorry, I keep taking your name in vain) has been touching on the topic of creating art. One of the main facets that may not have been mentioned was there's a certain level of discomfort some people need in order to make their art. My ex-wife couldn't make anything unless she was in a right state, and it took her years to unlearn that habit. Macca has never shown the least bit of discomfort with himself, and he was able to create stuff that's very, well, if not predicatable, then reliable in a pop sense. My last guitar teacher said, "The one thing about McCartney is that you'll always end up more or less where you started, so even if there are some lumps and bumps in the way, you still trust him." Lennon's a different bag. He can do the reliable thing (the structure of Cold Turkey is all relative major/minor stuff, but it sounds much richer than it is) that used to make a nice single, but then he could tell everyone to fuck off (I'm assuming that's the heroin talking) and putting out something like Two Virgins, which should have been commercial suicide. I think in _The Beatles Anthology_ book, McCartney is a little disdainful of Lennon's (and to a lesser extent, Harrison's) attempts at experimental music, saying that he was the first to make music out of noises and studio tricks, and that encouraged Lennon. The thing is, McCartney never released that stuff. Lennon insisted on it. - -Doc This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:50:33 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: classical - -- Marc is rumored to have mumbled on 30. Mdrz 2009 21:44:01 -0400 regarding Re: classical: > That said, I'd pick Mozart pretty highly for opera. Exactly. He has all the catchiest melodies! The Magic Flute (not an opera, strictly speaking) and Don Giovanni are my favorites. I don't listen to a lot of classical music, but my parents do *exclusively*, plus they used to sing in a semi-professional choir (the choir singers weren't paid, but the soloists were, there were tours, records etc.). However, my father holds a disdain for all things symphonic. So mostly it's choral music and opera. Even though I don't share their musical taste directly, of course I've been influenced by what I heard growing up. And that was mostly Bach, Mozart, Monteverdi, Brahms, H"andel and Mahler. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:33 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Colin Meloy explains Hazards Of Love Interesting read. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:40:17 +1030 From: great white shark Subject: jeff beck , the OOO and the G Dead - beware strong opinions ! Since no one has responded to Mikes post re Jeff ( THE MASTER ) Beck I'll throw in my two pence worth and us oldies can read it and you young fuckers can piss on about the decemberists and other lesser talents to your hearts content . Had the rare experience of seeing Jeff recently as he toured oz for first time since 77 ( in fact we saw Beck, McLaughlin and the Who in the space of six weeks and all were phenomenally good , however one RH chose NOT to come to our town this time round so he can get fucked :-)) Beck is a monster and he confounds everyone by staying eternally young ( no doubt there's a portrait of him that is ageing spectacularly somewhere in a securely locked room ) and also by playing his arse off and making it look so sodding EASY , he moves me more than anyone when he plays slow stuff , such as Brush with the Blues and Good-bye Porkpie Hat , but he also blows off the top of my head with his heavy and fast numbers as well. His version of A Day In The Life is just unbelievable and I would postulate that there is NO ONE who can better him in his field ( or in his paddock for that matter ) . Having heard him play with Clapton recently he proceeded to piss all over young Eric from a great height and he made clappo look like a plodding amateur I will gladly fight a cyber duel with anyone who differs. The ooo confirmed my opinion that they are the greatest of the 60s rock bands . PERIOD . Zep are a bunch of fumbling brown hatters by comparison , average songs, average stage moves average solos which fail to move me etc, all others pale into comparison when one looks at the wealth of songs in the Townshend catalogue. I had given up on them in the 80s and for most of the 90s but now they are back on form . The fact that they can play for 130 minutes , sound superb , still cut it as anti heroes and not bore my jaded old mind once is a testament to their greatness and although they can't quite do the moves anymore , they make that jaded old hack jagger and his minions look like a bunch of Chelsea pensioners playing gin rummy . The Grateful Dead have been the subject of many a flame war on this list and it is only due to the absence of even Eb that the vitriol is not flowing copiously and mangled cyber bodies are not being hauled out of the feg halls to be disposed of by nameless minions . Suffice it to say, I hardly listen to the dead anymore , I , who had a thousand hours of live shows at one time !&8#%$!!!! BUT , let me say this oh Fegs, in their time , they broke more rules and took more chances than any other band of the era . Their vocals could be shit, whole shows could be shit , but when they were on song ........ sublime ! I had the opportunity to listen and watch their 1972 "Sunshine Daydream " movie a few years back , in shall we say , an "enhanced " frame of mind and the music took me to places I have never been before or since , this was because the dead were masters of ensemble playing , on form they could interact musically more completely and fulfillingly than any other band around and for this, they should be admired and remembered , as their myriad and lesser successors are not really capable of scaling such musical heights . Here endeth the somewhat virus inspired rant of Der Commander > g > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:46:26 +0100 > From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk > Subject: Jeff Beck on taking 5 years over a solo > > On the subject of taking years to make an album, I just read this > comment: > > http://www.goldminemag.com/article/ > Rock_Hall_Class_of_09_Who_Else_but_Jeff_Beck_Part_3/ > > ?The ?70s were the perfectionist times, where everybody did spend > months and months of time doing ridiculous amounts of tweaking and > preening the record, and it didn?t really appeal to me, that stuff,? > says Beck. ?We made Truth in two weeks, Beck-Ola in four days, and I > do miss that kind of schedule now. I loved it, because the hysterical > pressure is what?s lacking nowadays. > > Everybody?s in slippers and pipes, and they can take five years over > one guitar solo, and that?s not my cup of tea at all. If Little > Richard had done that with ?Lucille,? ?Lucille? wouldn?t have existed. > Or ?Hound Dog.? I know Elvis used to do 25 takes, but it was 25 takes > all in one day, not spread out over six months. I like the danger and > excitement elements, and that?s very hard to get.? > > - - Mike Godwin, 61 > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:21:06 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: aaaaaaaaaaugh! Agreed. This is both cruel AND unusual punishment. (and a model friend of mine was the pineapple in the original video... Go Rosie!) c* On 30/03/2009, James Dignan wrote: > > Isn't this against the Geneva Convention? > > > > James > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:13:18 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: REAP: Andy Hallet (the Host) gone to the great karaoke in the sky http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&q=Andy%20Hallett - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:54:09 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Dukes reissues David Stovall wrote: > > ... they wanted to return to the original vinyl covers. Yes, but they smashed "XTC as" into the logos. The originals didn't have that. Stewart (who wonders if his brother still has his original Dukes vinyls, or whether they were ones kited onto the lawn by the vengeful ex) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:00:05 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: what Vivien said Rex wrote: > > Check, check and check. I will also decloak as someone who never disliked > brussel sprouts. you freeeeeeeaaaaaaaaakk! Ack. Bleah. Little greenish balls of molten sick. Ralph. Huey. Urk. The only redeeming feature of the Brussels sprout is their lobability in a food fight. They have heft, aerodynamics, and a nice terminal splatch. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:31:49 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Rachels Hochzeit Positive German review that even mentions Robyn!! That's the first time in recent memory ... - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:03:43 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Rachels Hochzeit Mir ist interessant, da_ die \bersetzung der Filme bekommt den Title "Rachels Hochzeit" -- das Englisch "Rachel *Getting* Married" (nicht "Rachel's Marriage") betont die Aktivitdt von Rachel statt die Erscheinung der Hochzeit. Warum nicht "Rachel verheiratet sich"? J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Positive German review that even mentions Robyn!! That's the first time in > recent memory ... > > > -- > b . Sebastian Hagedorn > b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de > b ' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:05:47 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:11 PM, lep wrote: > viv says: > > And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, > but > > I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > > vinyl, too. But which one??? > > "live at the witch trials." and it's not just my favourite fall > album; i believe it's also their first. It is, but there are a boatload of releases preceding it in the form of singles and such. > > > re: the fall on vinyl: i only really like the fall albums that i have > on vinyl. when i used to bother to buy their cds, i would just end > up listening to "perverted by language" instead. IMO, the fall is > highly redundant. not that there's anything wrong with that - it just > make me that much less likely to bother to change the record. > They definitely change, and, to me at least, the records are far from interchangeable. The cliche (from Peel originally) is that they're always the same, always different. I'd render it more like "always comforting and yet always challenging", allowing that you get comfortable with them to begin with. In my case I'd liked and listened to then with varying degrees of devotion for more'n 20 years before my current full-scale mania took hold, I remember Lauren once asking why I didn't rate "Witch Trials" higher. The answer turned out to be that I'd forgotten how totally execrably mastered it was on CD. Side 2 was not only a vinyl rip, it was a terrible vinyl rip. I'm still looking for a reasonable price on the reissue. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:09:22 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: more fodder On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:43 PM, wrote: > > Ween. Word. Recently I stumbled across "The Stallion Part (forget which part)" and did find myself kind of marvelling at it, but when it was done, so was I. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:21:02 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: jeff beck , the OOO and the G Dead - beware strong opinions ! My thing with Beck is that there are really no songs to talk about unless he's a sideman. That's a fairly big barrier for me, and one I probably unfairly apply to guitar-based rock, particularly of the traditional variety, more stringently than I do to other musical forms. This is something I do because I'm an ass. > The ooo confirmed my opinion that they are the greatest of the 60s rock > bands . PERIOD . Zep are a bunch of fumbling brown hatters by comparison , > average songs, average stage moves average solos which fail to move me etc, Until recently I didn't like Zep at all; having rounded the bend, there are still things about them I don't love, but I almost completely forgive the stage BS because they, along with the Who (who are of course still better), pretty much invented the schtick, and I think I actually got tired of the internal cognitive dissonance of dissing them for the decades of lame-assery and imitation that followed. The current Who: was just talking to a friend about that one Who reunion (I know, which one) where Townshend's tinnitus supposedly confined him to acoustic guitar only or some such bollocks... what the hell ever happened with that? The Dead: I have no compulsion to listen to them, but I almost always enjoy hearing them. Couldn't say much more than that. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #98 *******************************