From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #97 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 30 2009 Volume 17 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: two bands recently mentioned [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #95 [James Dignan ] Re: serious question (no music content whatsoever) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Swims with Jellyfish [2fs ] Re: more fodder [2fs ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: misinterpreted lyrics [2fs ] Re: trying to like music [2fs ] Re: misinterpreted lyrics [vivien lyon ] Re: more fodder [Rex ] Re: classical [Marc ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: Dukes reissues [David Stovall ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: Macca [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Macca [Poem Lover ] Re: what Vivien said [Miles Goosens ] Re: what Vivien said [Rex ] Re: more fodder [Terrence Marks ] Re: Enz-yte [Steve Schiavo ] Re: more fodder [Steve Schiavo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:15:13 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rex wrote: >>> > Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". >>> >>> 'cept who has a turntable any longer? >> >> >> I do! I do! >> >> And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, >> but I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on >> vinyl, too. But which one??? >> > > The gut of my quantifier says "Bend Sinister", but what does everyone else > think-- is that too "'80's specific"? > I'd kinda say so - that's the only album where they sound like one of those bands from Manchester that was trying to steal Peter Hook's bass sound. Anyone mention "How I Wrote 'Elastic Man'" yet? Or "Wings" (great riff on that one...)? Actually my first Fall album was _Extricate_. Not the best place to start - but still some fondness for a lot of that. Oh - and "No Bulbs"! And...[redacted as Jeff will probably just go on to list like twenty-seven of his favorite Fall songs, getting more and more obscure, until he expects that normal humans will go out and listen to "Noel's Chemical Effluence" forthwith] - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:15:39 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #95 >"The Rutle's first LP was recorded in half an hour. the second one >took even longer". I cannot... believe... I slipped up with that apostrophe. I need a kick up the semi-colon for that one. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:15:27 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: serious question (no music content whatsoever) If this was essential-oil based, all the MSDS I've seen for them say wipe up with paper rags. But that's not going to get rid of the smell. A pile of cat litter/baking soda left over the area? Dunno. If both surfaces are good wood, you could try something like Feed-n-Wax - - it's got a lot of orange oil, so the place may smell overly citrusy. Maybe talk to a wood restorer. I could ask on metafilter if you wish. Stewart (wonders if any other feg is on metafilter - I know Caroline's mr is.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:17:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Swims with Jellyfish On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Steve Schiavo > wrote: > > and Brian, needless to say. > > > > > > Oooh, forgot to mention Jellyfish among my "wish I got their appeal" > bands! Nope, didn't take. I think I once owned a Roger Manning album > I didn't completely hate. > > Jellyfish pushed some sort of "ick" switch for me... I think I first heard "The Ghost at Number One" (which is a great song) and bought the second album...I think I resisted buying the first one for a very long time because it has one of the worst album covers ever (like, if the Chili Peppers dressed up like Dr. Seuss circus clowns maybe). And over time, a lot of that stuff has felt more and more cloying to me. But I love Jason Falkner's solo material (and wish there was more of it). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:21:33 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: more fodder On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Rex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM, lep wrote: > > > I have "Nebraska" and a handful of others. I just haven't done the > "decicated listening" thing. > That should be "dessicated listening" I think. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:26:57 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned I could easily find this out by typing "The Fall" into Google and looking at the wikipedia entry, but... how many albums do they (or he) have? Oh, hang on.... Ah. Twenty-seven. That's a lot of albums. I am daunted. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Rex wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM, vivien lyon wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rex wrote: >>>> > Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". >>>> >>>> 'cept who has a turntable any longer? >>> >>> >>> I do! I do! >>> >>> And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, >>> but I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on >>> vinyl, too. But which one??? >>> >> >> The gut of my quantifier says "Bend Sinister", but what does everyone else >> think-- is that too "'80's specific"? >> > > I'd kinda say so - that's the only album where they sound like one of those > bands from Manchester that was trying to steal Peter Hook's bass sound. > > Anyone mention "How I Wrote 'Elastic Man'" yet? Or "Wings" (great riff on > that one...)? > > Actually my first Fall album was _Extricate_. Not the best place to start - > but still some fondness for a lot of that. > > Oh - and "No Bulbs"! And...[redacted as Jeff will probably just go on to > list like twenty-seven of his favorite Fall songs, getting more and more > obscure, until he expects that normal humans will go out and listen to > "Noel's Chemical Effluence" forthwith] > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:34:22 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: misinterpreted lyrics On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Rex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM, vivien lyon > wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Rex wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM, vivien lyon >wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> I used to think "Summer's Cauldron" on XTC's Skylarking was about > >>>> someone committing suicide, and being mostly content with their choice > to do > >>>> so. In my defense, and using this explanation/excuse for the second > time > >>>> today, I was a teenager at the time. Now that I'm an adult, I... still > like > >>>> to interpret it that way. It makes me the right amount of melancholy. > >>> > >>> > >> I... think I still thought that that's pretty much what it was about > until > >> you just now suggested otherwise. > > > > It's about someone lazing about in the summer sun, poetically declaiming > > that if they were to die, this would be the proper way to do it- drowning > in > > nature's beauty. Not actually about someone drowning themselves. Right? > > _Right_? Someone throw me a rope here. > It's entirely possible to read it both ways, of course. While I'd agree that the second reading is probably more to the point, given a lot of the direction of the metaphors, the first isn't ruled out or anything. And of course Mr. Partridge's most *notorious* double-metaphor'd song is "Pink Thing"... > > > I do think teenagers infer greater subtlety in a lot of things of the > adult > > world, because, while inexperienced, they actually aren't stupid and they > > have more flexible brains and though processes. They are, by necessity, > more > > creative than adults and see patterns and substance where such things > don't > > necessarily exist. It's kind of like tripping, all the time. No wonder > being > > a teenager was both so exhilarating and terrifying. > I think also that, because if they love a song, they'll spend hours and hours soaking it in, trying to decode its every nuance, they assume the songwriter thought about it just as intensely...when in many cases, that probably isn't the case. (Probably *should* be the case more often - one of my inconsistencies is that while I'm perfectly willing to ignore lyrics so long as they don't bug me, lyrics that strike me as lazy or cliched just bug the hell out of me. Like: pay some attention, willya?) They also tend to imagine that the song has a particular, specific meaning - few teenagers natively come to the notion that a good lyric might mean more than one thing, or might *mean* less specifically than they want - in a sort of one-to-one symbolic equation ("Dude! 'Mr. Mojo Risin' is an *anagram* for 'Jim Morrison'! So the whole song's really about him! Like...he's the LA Woman - or...he's LA!..." etc., making more sense if I could bothered to dig up the actual lyrics to "L.A. Woman" which I can't.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:36:08 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: trying to like music > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Stewart C. Russell >wrote: > > > Jill Brand wrote: > > > > > > I also want to like lemon desserts, but there is no hope for that. > > > > not even lemon bars? > > we can never be friends. > > > > Stewart > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM, vivien lyon wrote: Stewart, the correct response is pity, not anger. Poor Jill. *pats her on head* MOAR LEMON BARZ FOR TEH REST OF US!!!! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:39:02 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: misinterpreted lyrics On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM, 2fs wrote: > And of course Mr. Partridge's most *notorious* double-metaphor'd song is > "Pink Thing"... > Guh! (and I don't mean that in a good way) I had forgotten about that song until just now. Thanks a lot, Jeff. > I think also that, because if they love a song, they'll spend hours and > hours soaking it in, trying to decode its every nuance, they assume the > songwriter thought about it just as intensely...when in many cases, that > probably isn't the case. (Probably *should* be the case more often - one of > my inconsistencies is that while I'm perfectly willing to ignore lyrics so > long as they don't bug me, lyrics that strike me as lazy or cliched just bug > the hell out of me. Like: pay some attention, willya?) They also tend to > imagine that the song has a particular, specific meaning - few teenagers > natively come to the notion that a good lyric might mean more than one > thing, or might *mean* less specifically than they want - in a sort of > one-to-one symbolic equation ("Dude! 'Mr. Mojo Risin' is an *anagram* for > 'Jim Morrison'! So the whole song's really about him! Like...he's the LA > Woman - or...he's LA!..." etc., making more sense if I could bothered to dig > up the actual lyrics to "L.A. Woman" which I can't.) > True that. But it's not just teenagers that do that... those of us with severe cases of arrested development do it up into our twenties. I, for instance was convinced that Queen Elvis was about Michael Stipe's homosexuality, and nothing else. Also, I tried really hard for a while to believe that Beautiful Queen was about the Queen of Venus in C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet trilogy. (See how I'm sneaking in R.H. references here?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:43:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: more fodder On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Rex wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM, lep wrote: >> >> >> I have "Nebraska" and a handful of others. I just haven't done the >> "decicated listening" thing. >> > > That should be "dessicated listening" I think. Urk. Hey, I posted a lot today... my typo ratio seems about average to me. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:44:01 -0400 From: Marc Subject: Re: classical James Dignan wrote: >> That's easy for me to respond to. If I read great reviews and hear >> friends or even casual acquaintances rave about something and if these >> people give compellling arguments about why something is great, then I >> think there is something out there that will excite me. If it doesn't, >> I'm puzzled. For example, I'm a serious listener to a lot of "classical" >> music (note the small "c"); however, much of Mozart leaves me cold. It >> frustrates me no end. I want to "get" whatever the sages get out of >> Mozart, but often I feel like he was just cranking it out (except for his > large masses and the Requiem). I want to like it. > > Ahhh Jill. At last I know I'm not alone. I like classical music a lot, > but have never understood the fuss over Mozart. Just don't get him at > all. Give me some late 19th century nationalists, though (Smetana, > perhaps, or Dvorak) and I'm happy. I'm with you, James, although more on Smetana than with Dvorak. But mostly, I go for the Russians, including Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky and the exile Stravinsky. I'll even go for a bit of Borodin or Prokofiev from time to time. If I'm going German, I'm going Brahms or Beethoven long before Mozart. That said, I'd pick Mozart pretty highly for opera. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:49:40 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > I could easily find this out by typing "The Fall" into Google and looking > at > the wikipedia entry, but... how many albums do they (or he) have? Oh, hang > on.... > > Ah. Twenty-seven. That's a lot of albums. I am daunted. > But it seems like there should be more. Almost unbelievable that they've averaged less than an LP a year. Although if you count comps and live records, they probably average more releases per year than, like, all other artists. Combined. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:51:45 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned Seems like the internets need correcting, Rex! Hop to! On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > >> I could easily find this out by typing "The Fall" into Google and looking >> at >> the wikipedia entry, but... how many albums do they (or he) have? Oh, hang >> on.... >> >> Ah. Twenty-seven. That's a lot of albums. I am daunted. >> > > But it seems like there should be more. Almost unbelievable that they've > averaged less than an LP a year. Although if you count comps and live > records, they probably average more releases per year than, like, all other > artists. Combined. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:57:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:15 PM, 2fs wrote: > tually my first Fall album was _Extricate_. Not the best place to start - > but still some fondness for a lot of that. > > Oh - and "No Bulbs"! And...[redacted as Jeff will probably just go on to > list like twenty-seven of his favorite Fall songs, getting more and more > obscure, until he expects that normal humans will go out and listen to > "Noel's Chemical Effluence" forthwith > That's a good one. Although I think I heard it about 25 times before I realized how horrifically it ends. It's not really that obscure anymore, though, having cropped up on three official releases at this point. For really obscure, you gotta go hunting for "Scareball", or, better yet, "Crackhouse". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:57:43 -0500 From: David Stovall Subject: Re: Dukes reissues > From: Stewart Russell > Was just behind you in the queue, oh silently nined one. > > This will be so awesome, but it's a shame they've changed the covers. I guess since this is (apparently) the first separate CD issues of the two (I thought I'd seen a standalone 25 O'Clock one once, but may be wrong), they wanted to return to the original vinyl covers. They'll suffer from the small size - especially the Psonic Psunspot one, but I do love those graphics. d9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:02:02 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > Seems like the internets need correcting, Rex! Hop to! Well, it just seems like there *should* be more, but I think that figure is correct, and surprisingly hard with which to quibble. "Slates" and "Room to Live" are both short, but too indispensable to dismiss as EPs. And I would like to pretend that "Are You Are Missing Winner" was never released, but I let it slide because it has a great title. And that really is the most important thing of all. - -Rex, uncloseted Scott Miller fan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:15:47 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Macca James wrote: >Some of his songs are true classics, though. Songs like "Let me roll it", "Maybe I'm amazed", and "Coming up" have been mentioned, and I'd also mention "Every night", ...Ooh, excellent call there -- "Every Night" is a bit of semi-undiscovered gem among all but dedicated Macca fans. I also like "Teddy Boy," "That Would Be Something," and "Junk" off of that first Macca record. I highly recommend the pop pastiches of the "Ram" record, as well... >My (very quirky) personal favoirutes include much of the "London Town" album ...And that -- along with "Ram" -- is also my fave Macca record -- incl. some strong adds from then-still-Wing Denny Laine. Ah, takes me back to that simpler (relatively) time of being 16... Of course, Your Michael Sweeney 16ness May (Uh, WILL) Vary, but...I think it's still a nice musical collection where even the lesser tracks (such as "Girlfriend," written with Michael Jackson in mind AND then covered by him on '79's "Off the Wall") are still pretty OK (as opposed to being completely sappy trash)... Michael "As I've pointed out before, I apparently parallelly missed SY's career and never got into them...and my Van Morrison appreciation is quite relative and merely by-the-song (but I'm so there for Dylan, Cohen, the Band, Sinatra, etc.)..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: Macca "Here Today" always makes me cry. - --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Michael Sweeney wrote: From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Macca To: "fegs" Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:15 AM James wrote: >Some of his songs are true classics, though. Songs like "Let me roll it", "Maybe I'm amazed", and "Coming up" have been mentioned, and I'd also mention "Every night", ....Ooh, excellent call there -- "Every Night" is a bit of semi-undiscovered gem among all but dedicated Macca fans. I also like "Teddy Boy," "That Would Be Something," and "Junk" off of that first Macca record. I highly recommend the pop pastiches of the "Ram" record, as well... >My (very quirky) personal favoirutes include much of the "London Town" album ....And that -- along with "Ram" -- is also my fave Macca record -- incl. some strong adds from then-still-Wing Denny Laine. Ah, takes me back to that simpler (relatively) time of being 16... Of course, Your Michael Sweeney 16ness May (Uh, WILL) Vary, but...I think it's still a nice musical collection where even the lesser tracks (such as "Girlfriend," written with Michael Jackson in mind AND then covered by him on '79's "Off the Wall") are still pretty OK (as opposed to being completely sappy trash)... Michael "As I've pointed out before, I apparently parallelly missed SY's career and never got into them...and my Van Morrison appreciation is quite relative and merely by-the-song (but I'm so there for Dylan, Cohen, the Band, Sinatra, etc.)..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:47:56 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: what Vivien said On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Vivien's description of the "why don't I get this?" phenomenon explains what > I meant to say: > > "That's one of my biggest "gee-I-don't-get-the-appeal-I-must-be-an-idiot" > bands ever. And considering the recently published book of short stories > inspired by their songs (a lot like... fan fiction?), I wish more than ever > that I understood what the fuss was about. It's kind of like wishing I liked > broccoli. I know it's good for me, but I don't really want to eat it." Ooh, I forgot in my earlier postings to make a stand for broccoli. I've always liked broccoli, even when I was a little kid who by virtue simply of being a little kid was expected to hate broccoli. It is a tasty and noble vegetable, and if you don't want your serving, I'll gladly accept it. later, Miles p.s.: also pro-asparagus and artichoke! - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:13:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: what Vivien said On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > Ooh, I forgot in my earlier postings to make a stand for broccoli. > I've always liked broccoli, even when I was a little kid who by virtue > simply of being a little kid was expected to hate broccoli. It is a > tasty and noble vegetable, and if you don't want your serving, I'll > gladly accept it. > p.s.: also pro-asparagus and artichoke! Check, check and check. I will also decloak as someone who never disliked brussel sprouts. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:15:12 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: more fodder > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:21 -0500 > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: a million feggish things > > Terrence: >>> as to music that we might not like........ >>> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and >>> that you wish you liked? >> >> Richard Thompson. Babbacombe Lee is my favorite Fairport Convention >> album. I've got a majority of his albums, and I'd like them > > Seems like there was supposed to be more to this thought. Was this > going to be about not liking Richard's voice? I adore it, and him, > but can see where it might be offputting. Still pissed that I missed > RT's show here this year (for financial reasons). Was hoping to > expose The Wife to his mighty playing. I don't think it's his voice. I like about as many songs on his albums with Linda as his solo albums; he always seems to hit about 30% for me. I'm not entirely sure why. A majority of most album just doesn't stay with me, no matter how many times I listen to. Pour Down Like Silver is, to me, Night Comes In, For Shame of Doing Wrong, and six other tracks I couldn't name or hum. And he's got this accordion. Maybe it's a bit too folky for me. I mean, I like folk-rock (Pentangle), folk-blues (Leadbelly), and folk-pop (The Kingston Trio); I just can't get in to pure folk. Miles says: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: >> > Light/White Heat is beyond me.> >> >> well, if that's your first and only exposure to the band, you're probably >> doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the other three records. > > The third, self-titled album isn't like WL/WH *at all.* I love the > whole catalog, but really, try that, or perhaps 1969 LIVE (my favorite > album ever) for a more representative VU experience... and you'll also > learn where the entire Luna catalog comes from. I recall trying to listen to some other Velvet Underground album once, and rating them somewhere between We the People and County Joe & The Fish (and definitely below the Jelly Bean Bandits)*. I don't remember which album it was. I may try again. I have the worst luck with good bands - if you recommend a band to me, I'll probably pick up the b-sides and remixes compilation by accident. Or the one after half the band left, that most fans disown. Or Preservation, Part 2. *: Yes, you probably think this is like telling people that I've heard the Beatles, but and think they're better than Chad & Jeremy, but just barely. Also, Viv says: > I was so musically naive at the time I didn't know "Pale and Precious" was a > Beach Boys pastiche. I only figured it out years later, upon hearing Pet > Sounds for the first time. Y'know, I still can't identify half of what theyr'e homaging. I think Pale & Precious is the only one I got on first listen. Terrence ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:22:56 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Enz-yte On Mar 30, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > What I don't like about Tim: for lack of a better word, gimmickry. > He tends toward cutsey, "aren't I clever" lyrical stuff that just > makes me cringe. In fact, I blame him for the lyrics on CH's WOODFACE > that I can't abide: "Chocolate Cake" and that damn song about God > walking his weiner dog. Ugh. What'll I tell him When he comes to me for absolution Wouldn't you know it Hope I don't make a bad decision 'cos I'd like to believe That there is a god Why sinful angels Suffer for love I'd like to believe In the terrible truth In the beautiful lie Like to know you But in this town I can't get arrested If you know me Why don't you tell me what I'm thinking Hey don't look now But there goes god In his sexy pants And his sausage dog And he can't stand Beelzebub 'cos he looks so good in black, in black Hey don't look now But there goes god In his sexy pants And his sausage dog And he can't stand Beelzebub 'cos he looks so good in black, in black And there goes God And there goes God Over the bridge And there goes God He doesn't know the way home Reasonable lyric, good tune. Conclusion: Miles is incorrect! - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:54:08 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: more fodder On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Terrence Marks wrote: > Y'know, I still can't identify half of what theyr'e homaging. I think > Pale & Precious is the only one I got on first listen. Stolen from Chalkhills - Andy:  Vanishing Girl was steered towards The Hollies a lot. They had two lead singers at the same time, so both Colin and I sang the same so that the voices got smashed into this amorphous Hollies mess. Andy:  Have You Seen Jackie was written for 25 O'Clock; it was called Have You Seen Sydney, a direct reference to our Syd. It's got smatterings of everything - the character and story are part Keith West/Teenage Opera/Mark Wirtz . . . the kids, the is he a boy is he a girl, the if you see him leave him alone bits . . . Andy:  Little Lighthouse was a track that we started to record for Skylarking. Todd (Rungren, producer) got bored with it, so I thought The Dukes could do it. The Dukes made it sound like a lot of bands that imitated the Stones. Andy:  You're A Good Man Albert Brown is pub psychedelia; an attempt to be anyone who ever did a pub single . . . it's the sound of the pub on the corner of Carnaby Street. Dave: The Wah-Wah and Sceptre! Andy: There'd be a Chelsea Pensioner sitting outside  Steve Marriot's grandad! Jimi Hendrix would be popping in between sets at The Marquee for half pints . . . it's like Oscar's Over The Wall We Go, Whistling Jack Smith's I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman, The Universal, a couple of Bonzos things. Andy:  Collideascope is Lennon  except that the chords were picked because they sound like The Move's Blackberry Way  it's The Move stealing from The Beatles. I had the lyrics for it in 1978 but didn't use them because I thought they were too psychedelic. The sound effects are from the film Nearest And Dearest with Jimmy Jewell and Hilda Baker . . . and there's a scream from the BBC sound effects library. Andy:  You're My Drug is meant to be a mixture of Monterey by The Animals and So You Want To Be A Rock And Roll Star. Monterey is a favourite joke  I dunno what Califonians thought of Eric Burdon. He was a Newcastle dwarf, a gnarled Geordie mystic! It was an XTC song, but it was too much like the Byrds; the chord change is so West Coast. So we thought let The Dukes do it like The Byrds! Andy:  Shiny Cage was brought up by Colin for The Big Express originally, but we said no because it was too stupidly Beatley - it was everything from Revolver all smashed into one song. Epiphone guitar stabs, tabla playing, backward guitar, a dissonant but melodic George Harrison guitar solo . . . George Martin would probably have thought it up and played it on the piano and Harrison would have had to learn it. It was again an attempt to forge an era and an area but smash it and condense it all into one track. Andy:  Brainiacs Daughter was a conscious attempt to write as if McCartney had tried to come up with a track around the time of Sgt. Pepper or Yellow Submarine - 1967/68 - so all the ingredients were picked to sound like McCartney. Banana fingers piano, descending chord changes, falsetto vocals, nonsensical lyrics . . . it's got the lot! We tried to make a McCartney psychedelic soup. People thought it was the Bonzos by the time we'd finished it. Dave: Or Thunderclap Newman! Andy: Colin wrote The Affiliated for our next album but wanted to do it quick before we got bored with it, so changed the character of it to be slightly more Ray Davies. The middle section was an attempt to be like Unit 4+2's Concrete And Clay; percussion, acoustic guitars, a slightly latin feel. Andy:  Pale And Precious is pretty obvious (A fine Beach Boys pastiche); that was the most difficult one to do. It's the best melody - the surf bit was a bit stupid - but the chords are churchy and Bach and all the stuff that Brian Wilson was into at the time. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #97 *******************************