From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #95 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 30 2009 Volume 17 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Eb-Stank [kevin studyvin ] a million feggish things [Miles Goosens ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Enz-yte [Miles Goosens ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Miles Goosens ] Re: a million feggish things [Rex ] Re: Eb-Stank [Miles Goosens ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Enzography [James Dignan ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] trying to like music [Jill Brand ] Re: Jeff Beck on taking 5 years over a solo, and Macca [James Dignan ] Re: more fodder [Miles Goosens ] Re: Enz-yte [Jeff Dwarf ] aaaaaaaaaaugh! [James Dignan ] Re: Swims with Jellyfish [Miles Goosens ] Re: Ride [Miles Goosens ] Re: trying to like music [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:31:22 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Eb-Stank > An interesting experiment would be to set up the alarm clock to wake you up > to this every morning for as long as you could take it. > > -tc > I'm just lookin' for my mainline... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: a million feggish things Well, it's either this threadclusterfuck, or a bunch of scattershot replies from me. Today, I feel like doing the all in one. Worth noting: One week till Robyn's Nashville gig, and still no announcement about it being Robyn Hitchcock's Jug Band Volunteer Jam IV. Keep your fingers crossed that it doesn't happen. Still haven't convinced anyone to go to the show with me. I'm 99% sure that this is Robyn's first visit to the historic Exit/In. He's always at the Bluebird when he's doing the solo thing, and the last two band shows were at the Belcourt Theatre. The one 'n' only Egyptians gig here was at the late 328 Performance Hall. Anyway, here's Jeff Norman: > That was weird...I wasn't paying attention to what iTunes was playing in > shuffle, and this song came on, all abstract guitar feedback and skronking > sounds, some vague hints of structure - and I thought to myself, oh, this > must be one of those SYR Sonic Youth thingies that I rarely listen to. My weird moment for Sonic Youthalikeness came one day in the last decade, when I switched the car radio to Radio Lightning (our very play-it-safe "adult alternative" station) and heard an instrumental passage of what I thought was a Sonic Youth song, and I was momentarily happy that I was hearing SY on commercial radio. Then Billy Corgan's voice shattered the moment. It was the Pumpkins' "1979." Jeremy: > Loved, without really undertanding it, "Bad Moon Rising" when a friend > loaned it to me in high school -- I listened to it many times. The > entire rest of their career (to date) has passed me by. That was my gateway to Sonic Youth, and since it was '85, it was the current album. I think you'd really like DAYDREAM NATION, which was my #1 of '88 until I heard Wire's A BELL IS A CUP ex post facto. I'm not as keen on SISTER as a lot of folks, but like EVOL and the "sellout" records (GOO and DIRTY) a lot. Looking in the CD cabinet, I see that I didn't replace EVOL after The Great CD Theft of '95, but did replace SISTER... weird. Terrence: >> as to music that we might not like........ >> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and >> that you wish you liked? > > Richard Thompson. Babbacombe Lee is my favorite Fairport Convention > album. I've got a majority of his albums, and I'd like them Seems like there was supposed to be more to this thought. Was this going to be about not liking Richard's voice? I adore it, and him, but can see where it might be offputting. Still pissed that I missed RT's show here this year (for financial reasons). Was hoping to expose The Wife to his mighty playing. One of the most things in the world besides the RT shows themselves is watching first-timers walk out of them, especially solo shows. That delirious, slack-jawed look of ecstasy is the dead giveaway. Oft-overheard: "There was just *one* guitarist?" Viv: > Yeah, wow! The Dukes of Stratosphere was one of the first albums someone > taped for me! I still have the multicolored cassette around here somewhere. > > I was so musically naive at the time I didn't know "Pale and Precious" was a > Beach Boys pastiche. I only figured it out years later, upon hearing Pet > Sounds for the first time. I'm enough of an XTC completist that I'll probably get this eventually - - it's another thing I didn't replace after The Great CD Theft of '95. However, it never really thrilled me like it did so many folks, maybe because I'm not a huge fan of the music that they're pastichin' on (ex: Beach Boys). Hm, maybe I will go to the one-thread-at-a-time replies now, because my method of assembly for this post is getting too labor-intensive. Is there a gmail plug-in that will let you "paste as quote" like Eudora did/does? If there's not, someone should make one. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:35:05 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rex wrote: > > Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". > > 'cept who has a turntable any longer? I do! I do! And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, but I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on vinyl, too. But which one??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:43:52 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned - -- vivien lyon is rumored to have mumbled on 30. Mdrz 2009 14:35:05 -0700 regarding Re: two bands recently mentioned: > Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > vinyl, too. But which one??? I still like "This Nation's Saving Grace" best, but that's probably because: - - it was my first one - - I don't know all that many I guess it should really be Rex's call ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:45:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rex wrote: >> > Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". >> >> 'cept who has a turntable any longer? > > > I do! I do! > > And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, but > I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > vinyl, too. But which one??? > The gut of my quantifier says "Bend Sinister", but what does everyone else think-- is that too "'80's specific"? Meanwhile, Eno on vinyl... nice. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:47:26 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Enz-yte The only Enz I've ever owned are WAIATA and the ANNIVERSARY live album. I like the Neil stuff on both, and only the Neil stuff. In fact, I did a little experiment where I deliberately left ANNIVERSARY's booklet in another room the first time I listened to it so I wouldn't know which Finn wrote what, and all the ones I liked were... surprise, Neil's. To me, this was the equivalent of the blind taste test, and Tim just wasn't to my taste. What I don't like about Tim: for lack of a better word, gimmickry. He tends toward cutsey, "aren't I clever" lyrical stuff that just makes me cringe. In fact, I blame him for the lyrics on CH's WOODFACE that I can't abide: "Chocolate Cake" and that damn song about God walking his weiner dog. Ugh. I'm not fond of his contributions to Manzanera's K-SCOPE either. "Six Months on a Leaky Boat" is a great song, I'll give him that, but I am pretty much done trying with Tim Finn. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:53:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, but > I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > vinyl, too. But which one??? I like I AM KURIOUS ORANJ more than most folks, but I don't think you can go wrong with WONDERFUL AND FRIGHTENING WORLD OF..., THIS NATION'S SAVING GRACE, or SHIFT-WORK. Or KURIOUS ORANJ. Actually, was 458489 A SIDES ever released on vinyl? I'd highly recommend that as an entry point. The day I woke up knowing I was ready to listen to the Fall, I went to the Great Escape and found 458489 A SIDES and 458489 B SIDES there used, bought them both, and spent the next year on a Rex-like Fall bender in the auto, switching between the three discs (B SIDES is a two-disc set). later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:54:00 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: a million feggish things On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > My weird moment for Sonic Youthalikeness came one day in the last > decade, when I switched the car radio to Radio Lightning (our very > play-it-safe "adult alternative" station) and heard an instrumental > passage of what I thought was a Sonic Youth song, and I was > momentarily happy that I was hearing SY on commercial radio. Then > Billy Corgan's voice shattered the moment. It was the Pumpkins' > "1979." Here's another one: play "The Sprawl" and then cue up "Weakest Shade of Blue" by the Pernice Brothers. For five seconds, you'll think the same song is starting up again, and then you'll quickly learn that it is decidedly not. SY is one of those bands where my favorite records are grouped in clusters, but those clusters are widely distributed throughout their career. Those kinds of artists make me happy. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:58:47 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Eb-Stank On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > Light/White Heat is beyond me.> > > well, if that's your first and only exposure to the band, you're probably > doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the other three records. The third, self-titled album isn't like WL/WH *at all.* I love the whole catalog, but really, try that, or perhaps 1969 LIVE (my favorite album ever) for a more representative VU experience... and you'll also learn where the entire Luna catalog comes from. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:00:10 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Rex wrote: > > The gut of my quantifier says "Bend Sinister", but what does everyone else > think-- is that too "'80's specific"? > It will also depend on what I can find at the stores. And by "stores," I mean "store." If I strike out at Jackpot, I might have a looksee at the monthly record swap. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:20:16 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Enzography Just realised I'd sent trhis solely to Viv when I thought I'd cc'd the list with it... >The Split Enz song I heard was "One Step Ahead," and it makes me >want to listen to more S.E. a good example of their later work. That was on Waiata. The thing I love about this song (and a lot of later Enz work) is the understated yet weird instrumentation - listen to the melody, then listen to the bass. They're in different keys. For CH fans, I'd probably rate the Enz albums as follows: Early stuff (Mental notes, Second thoughts, Beginning of the Enz). Quirky, Tim Finn/Phil Judd dominated. neil hadn't joined the band. Proggy - a bit like early Genesis. 2 stars for CH fans, plus a bonus third one if they like "Selling England by the pound". Dizrythmia, Frenzy - more pop influenced, but still proggy. A distinct lack of ability to finish a song, but some very catchy stuff ("Stuff and nonsense" is one of aTim's finest love songs, for instance, and Neil's "Give it a whirl" show signs of things to come. "I see red" was a big hit in NZ). First signs of Neil's emergence, but still Tim dominated. 3 stars. True Colours, Waiata/Corrobboree - new wave-ptinged, very poppy. Neil starts to take a leading role. First hits ("I got you" on True Colours made their name internationally). Waiata is more angular and slightly weirder, which is why I rate it the classic of the two, but True Colours remains very strong. The Enz at their most commercial, most focussed, and most effective. 4 stars. Time and Tide, Conflicting Emotions - more focuseed, more Neil's band than Tim's (Tim was slowly closing in on a nervous breakdown, which he comments on in one of the songs). Some definite hints at things to come for Crowded House, expecially songs like the sumptutos "Message to my girl". The Enz are turning into Crowded House at this point, but still with an influence of Tim. 4 stars. See Ya Round - more of an after thought. the band was disintegrating, and, despite a few good tracks, it doesn't hold together well (Split Enz's "Let it be"?) 2 and a half stars. There are some reasonable best of packages out there (e.g., "History never repeats"). Also worthy of note is "The Sound of trees", by Schnell fenster - a band made up of several ex-Enzers. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:20:40 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM, vivien lyon > wrote: > > And you know, I was going to buy a CD of Another Green World yesterday, > but > > I decided I only want it on vinyl. Maybe I should purchase The Fall on > > vinyl, too. But which one??? > > I like I AM KURIOUS ORANJ more than most folks, but I don't think you > can go wrong with WONDERFUL AND FRIGHTENING WORLD OF..., THIS NATION'S > SAVING GRACE, or SHIFT-WORK. Or KURIOUS ORANJ. I'm a big booster of "Kurious Oranj", but it has some properties that make it a bit of sidetrip, being a soundtrack and all. It's probably not quite correct to hear "Big New Prinz" before one hears "Hip Priest" (although I did, and, erm, look how I came out (?))... "Shift-Work" is hated by a fair contingent of Fall-fans for being too pop or something. I love it myself, although it has a more dated sound than yr average Fall LP. Notably, the two or three most snarly-Fall-like songs ("Idiot Joy Showland" and "Lotta Wind" and maybe another one, I forget) sound a little defanged, but if you switch them out for the contemporaneus Peel Session takes, you got yourself an ALBUM: the "pop songs" are fantastic. The outtakes from that period are also amazing-- "Arid Al's Dream" is an all-timer for me. > Actually, was 458489 A SIDES ever released on vinyl? I'd highly > recommend that as an entry point. I thought about that. And you're probably right. The albums from that period are so damned strong, though. I even love "The Frenz Experiment", it having been the first Fall record I ever owned. On vinyl! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: trying to like music softboygirl wrote: "this is less directed at jill's question, and more at the many answers. i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like music that they don't like. other than reasons of practicality i mean." That's easy for me to respond to. If I read great reviews and hear friends or even casual acquaintances rave about something and if these people give compellling arguments about why something is great, then I think there is something out there that will excite me. If it doesn't, I'm puzzled. For example, I'm a serious listener to a lot of "classical" music (note the small "c"); however, much of Mozart leaves me cold. It frustrates me no end. I want to "get" whatever the sages get out of Mozart, but often I feel like he was just cranking it out (except for his large masses and the Requiem). I want to like it. I'm the same with most jazz. I've gone to jazz clubs with people whose musical opinions I often share and watched them go into reveries while I've been bored to death. I want to be in that reverie, too. Believe me, it's not that I want to like it because it's cool. I just want to like it. I also want to like lemon desserts, but there is no hope for that. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:31:14 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Jeff Beck on taking 5 years over a solo, and Macca >Everybody?s in slippers and pipes, and they can take five years over >one guitar solo, and that?s not my cup of tea at all. If Little >Richard had done that with ?Lucille,? ?Lucille? wouldn?t have existed. >Or ?Hound Dog.? I know Elvis used to do 25 takes, but it was 25 takes >all in one day, not spread out over six months. I like the danger and >excitement elements, and that?s very hard to get.? "The Rutle's first LP was recorded in half an hour. the second one took even longer". On a tangentially related subject (McCartney), yeah - he's very unpredictable in his output. Mostly sounds like dross, but there are too many pearls in there to write it off. Lennon was a great regulating filter - he would tell Paul whenever anything he wrote sounded like bullshit, so most of it didn't get to disc (there are exceptions of course... no song should ever start with the word "Desmond"). Some of his songs are true classics, though. Songs like "Let me roll it", "Maybe I'm amazed", and "Coming up" have been mentioned, and I'd also mention "Every night", "Jet", and the heartbreakingly gentle elegy for John, "Here today". My (very quirky) personal favoirutes include much of the "London Town" album, notably the title track. It (along with the likes of "There Goes Rhymin' Simon", by Paul Simon) are some of my "warm aural bath" music, music I play when I'm tense and need to dissolve every muscle in my body into a childlike gentle happiness. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:34:47 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: The Fall > > Suggestions for the other? > >Dktr Faustus? >Totally Wired? "Totally wired" is the only Fall song I've ever managed to like. The rest sounds to me like going to a gig and having to stand next to some loud headcase who's decided to take a dislike to you. I just can't get it. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:35:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: more fodder Brian Huddell: >> The Who after Tommy (and I like Tommy, even though everyone else seems >> to hate it) > > Tommy is one of my favorite albums, just sayin'. I don't care much for the Who's version, but love the soundtrack to the Ken Russell movie. It helps to have different people than the Who singing the parts, especially if those people are Tina Turner, Elton John, etc. Rex: > Lord, yes. May I introduce you to King Crimson? I'm the more usual post-punk person for whom Crimson is the *only* acceptable prog-related item. I think I've said that before, so I'll just say THE GREAT DECEIVER and shut up. > I'm similarly... well, not really underwhelmed, but > not-as-whelmed-as-I-should be by Leonard Cohen. I know I have no mind. I like him in small doses, sort of like how, to me, three or four John Prine songs in a single setting sates my appetite for a good long while. Wish he would lose the Cohenettes. > And Morrissey. Moreover, even The Smiths. I've had all their records > forever, thinking that someday I'll get it, but if anything, they become > more irritating as their ubiquity and critical status increases. I know I > have no wit. As you say about disliking Dylan elsewhere in this message, it's totally understandable, even if I don't share that dislike. Hm, still don't have the new Mozzer... > Oh, and Springsteen. I know Miles will be disappointed I haven't corrected > this yet, but there it is. I know a lot of people equate this with the > Dylan "can't get past his voice" thing, but with me, I just don't know. I'm > not a huge fan of the vocal style, but I'm not totally against it by any > means. Well, I am disappointed, but then again, I haven't put together a nice "The REAL Springsteen" convincing CD to win you over yet. Part of that is that I haven't bothered digitizing the bootleg cassettes from whence some of my evidence would hail (blistering "Streets of Fire" from Winterland '78, a near-chorusless blues-from-Hell "Born in the USA" from the '95-'96 acoustic tour, etc.). Maybe I should do that crazy torrent thing like all the cool kids and obtain digital versions. I guess I also think of Springsteen as being versatile enough that a particular "vocal style" doesn't ring true for me, but I think I know what people are referring to, such as when he's really yelling it out on stuff like "Backstreets." I'm guessing, because the guy who sings "Stolen Car," "Girls in Their Summer Clothes," "Shut Out the Light," "Brilliant Disguise," and "If I Should Fall Behind" seems to be pretty well-rounded to me. Rex to me: >I knew about the > Byrds thing, but the Band? That's a surprise. People who like Springsteen > and not the Band must be nearly as rare as... well, people who like the Band > and not Springsteen. I initially tried the Band back in '80-'82 when I was discovering *everything* good in music, and while I was ok with them, I didn't love them. I like their work with Dylan a ton, but just wasn't grabbed by what I heard (mostly THE BAND; don't think I've ever owned MUSIC FROM BIG PINK). Then in the late '80s or early '90s, I read Greil Marcus' MYSTERY TRAIN, which had me super-hyped to try them again, because Marcus' able words make them sound not only like godhead, but my particular brand of godhead. The Rhino two-disc Band anthology had just been released, so I picked it up, and... ...and I really tried, again, at least four or five plays of the whole thing. That's when I decided that it wasn't gonna happen and it wasn't worth the time or money to keep trying. Don't know what it says about me that I like Digital Underground's SEX PACKETS (which is, apropos to another current Feg discussion, a sorta concept album) about umpteen times more than anything I've heard by the Band, but there ya go. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Enz-yte Miles Goosens wrote: > What I don't like about Tim: for lack of a better word, gimmickry. > He tends toward cutsey, "aren't I clever" lyrical stuff that just > makes me cringe. In fact, I blame him for the lyrics on CH's > WOODFACE that I can't abide: "Chocolate Cake" and that damn song > about God walking his weiner dog. Ugh. To be fair, it's God walking his SAUSAGE dog. He does do that sometimes -- and I do think that Neil is significantly more talently -- but he fails to do that frequently too. When Tim gets too cutesy though, it can be pretty dreadful (though I like both the Crowded House songs; "Haul Away" on the other hand...). "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:38:48 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: aaaaaaaaaaugh! Isn't this against the Geneva Convention? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:42:07 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Swims with Jellyfish On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > and Brian, needless to say. > > Oooh, forgot to mention Jellyfish among my "wish I got their appeal" bands! Nope, didn't take. I think I once owned a Roger Manning album I didn't completely hate. Jellyfish pushed some sort of "ick" switch for me that I'm not sure I can really describe accurately, but it was sort of like my first bite of Cincinnati chili, when mid-chew I realized *cinnamon* was involved. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:47:29 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Ride On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Rex wrote: > Yep. It's one of those things where once you mishear one word, it colors > your hearing of quite a few subsequent ones to suit you assumed meaning. > This is a very common occurrence with me, of which I can naturally think of > exactly zero other examples right now. This isn't quite the same thing, but I liked Peter Himmelman's "Woman With the Strength of 10,000 Men" a whole lot better the first few times I heard it, when I thought that the whole communication-difficulty thing was a metaphor. When I realized that the song was *literally* about a woman with a disability, I became far less interested in it. I also think the Fixx's "Red Skies at Night" would be more interesting if it had been what I initially heard it as, "Rich Guys That Died." And I intend to write "Rich Guys that Died" someday, since Cy Curnin didn't already do it for me. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:15:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: trying to like music On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > softboygirl wrote: > "this is less directed at jill's question, and more at the many > answers. i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like > music that they don't like. other than reasons of practicality i > mean." > > That's easy for me to respond to. If I read great reviews and hear friends > or even casual acquaintances rave about something and if these people give > compellling arguments about why something is great, then I think there is > something out there that will excite me. If it doesn't, I'm puzzled. *Exactly.* I was looking for the right words in a draft reply before I saw Jill's post right now, but now I can just point to that paragraph. That's what I mean too. It's even more puzzling to me (as set forth in a way-too-long blog entry here: http://tinyurl.com/46yleb for the masochists among you) that most of the pre-'94 friends/great reviews/buzz stuff connected with me, and most of the post-'94 stuff really hasn't. > For > example, I'm a serious listener to a lot of "classical" music (note the > small "c"); however, much of Mozart leaves me cold. It frustrates me no > end. I want to "get" whatever the sages get out of Mozart, but often I feel > like he was just cranking it out (except for his large masses and the > Requiem). I want to like it. While I can't claim to be a serious listener to classical, that's how most of Mozart has always struck me. I know that in AMADEUS, when Joseph II says "too many notes," we're all supposed to laugh at him for making such a facile criticism, but I think there's truth to it. Mozart seems showoffy to me. > I want to be in that reverie, too. Believe me, it's not that I want to like > it because it's cool. I just want to like it. Again, ditto. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #95 *******************************