From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #94 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 30 2009 Volume 17 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Subject: more fodder [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Subject: more fodder [2fs ] Re: Dukes reissues [David Stovall ] Free Dylan [FSThomas ] Jeff Beck on taking 5 years over a solo [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] REAP [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Dukes reissues [Stewart Russell ] Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art [vivien lyon ] RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art [Michael Sweeney ] Kim Deal on Wait Wait [Jeff Dwarf ] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Subject: McCartney fodder [Rex ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: Free Dylan [Rex ] Re: Dukes reissues [Rex ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [2fs ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: Free Dylan [FSThomas ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Jeremy Osner ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Miles Goosens ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Stewart Russell ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Jeremy Osner ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: Free Dylan [Rex ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Rex ] Re: Subject: more fodder [kevin studyvin ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:30:11 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder I always thought that you really only need to ownB a couple of studio albums by the Grateful Dead unless you are a true fan. American Beauty and Workingman's Dead and and if you want to addB a third one then maybe In The Dark.B I never gave much attantion to their live albums. Michael B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Golias" To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:19:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder The Grateful Dead. I really did try to get into them. I do like a few of their songs, but I never understood all the hype surrounding them. Hype really turns me off. I really wanted to like "Raising Sand" (Plant/Krause), but I was dissapointed with it and never quite got over it. It could have been so much better. I really did want to like it, because I adore Robert Plant and really like Alison Krauss. Paul McCartney solo. I just have never cared for him, although I've always like the Beatles. John Lennon was always my favorite Beatle and his solo stuff was SO much better than anything Paul ever did solo. I do have to admit, that although I never really cared for Wings as a band, I still like several of their songs. But as far as going out and buying any Wings CDs, it just ain't gonna happen. Back to lurk mode, Laura Golias ldgolias1@verizon.net >> as to music that we might not like........ >> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and >> that you wish you liked? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:10:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:30 AM, wrote: > I always thought that you really only need to ownB a couple of studio > albums > by the Grateful Dead unless you are a true fan. > > American Beauty and Workingman's Dead and and if you want to addB a third > one > then maybe In The Dark.B I never gave much attantion to their live albums. Yeah, but those two - fine as they are - are pretty unrepresentative. That's sorta the "folk-rock" Dead. For more psych stuff, try _Anthem of the Sun_ or _Aoxomoxoa_ - for live stuff try the _Live Dead_ set from, uh, '68(?) or _Europe '72_. I don't think that much of _In the Dark_ - can't stand Brent Mydland's muppet-esque yowling. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:46:18 -0400 From: David Stovall Subject: Re: Dukes reissues > From: Steve Schiavo > Subject: Dukes reissues > > Ohholycrap-thanksfortheheadsupgonnagoorderthosenow-theredone!!!1!1!!!1one FYI, for any other American Dukes-o-philes, these are remasters and there are a total of 15 bonus tracks and new liner notes, and if you pre-order both reissue discs, you get a set of Dukes badges thown in free. The total including shipping came to #22.88 (UK Sterling), which is apparently 32 dollars and 41 cents US, which doesn't seem all that bad at all. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:51:22 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Free Dylan Today (?) only on Dylan's site, "Beyond Here Lies Nothin'". http://www.bobdylan.com/ Sounds like they've intentionally blown out the quality a bit (seems LOUD). - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:46:26 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Jeff Beck on taking 5 years over a solo On the subject of taking years to make an album, I just read this comment: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/Rock_Hall_Class_of_09_Who_Else_but_Jeff_Beck_Part_3/ ?The ?70s were the perfectionist times, where everybody did spend months and months of time doing ridiculous amounts of tweaking and preening the record, and it didn?t really appeal to me, that stuff,? says Beck. ?We made Truth in two weeks, Beck-Ola in four days, and I do miss that kind of schedule now. I loved it, because the hysterical pressure is what?s lacking nowadays. Everybody?s in slippers and pipes, and they can take five years over one guitar solo, and that?s not my cup of tea at all. If Little Richard had done that with ?Lucille,? ?Lucille? wouldn?t have existed. Or ?Hound Dog.? I know Elvis used to do 25 takes, but it was 25 takes all in one day, not spread out over six months. I like the danger and excitement elements, and that?s very hard to get.? - - Mike Godwin, 61 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:42:58 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: REAP Photographer Helen Levitt. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/03/helen_levitt_19.php http://phomul.canalblog.com/archives/levitt__helen/index.html J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:19:29 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Dukes reissues 2009/3/30 David Stovall : > > Ohholycrap-thanksfortheheadsupgonnagoorderthosenow-theredone!!!1!1!!!1one Was just behind you in the queue, oh silently nined one. This will be so awesome, but it's a shame they've changed the covers. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:44:47 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art That's a great image. I would love to read one of those letters. Unrequited and the things it makes people do is one of my passions. What's sad is that she probably thought "Oh god, another one of those crazy cut-up letters, why does he do this?" When you'd rather be slaying dragons for her or some such thing, only there aren't any dragons, there's just your feelings and some paper and some chemicals to help you through the mess. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...Reminds me of the long, drunken (and wasted) impassioned letters I used > to > type back then to the distant female friend I was crazy about. The morning > after the sipping, sniffing, and keyboard-pounding (all with big ol' cup > headphones clamped onto my head, pumping VU, "Toys in the Attic," and > "Sandinista!" into my swollen brain), I would take scissors and actually > cut > up the originals, editing out the stuff that was too "out there" (i.e. > admitting my misguided, unrequited love for her...or copping to whatever > illegal I was ingesting)...and then I'd paste the semi-sanitized > remaining-passage chunks onto another piece of paper and mail those to her. > Always wondered what the hell she thought was the deal with me sending her > those -- semi-William S. Burroughs cut-up crap? Oh well... > > > > MLS > > > > craigie* wrote: > > >oh, it *definitely* typing... > > > >some days iot didn't even make much sense, either, until it had been > viciously edited. > > > >And I did use scissors. > > > >c* > > > >although I didn't run with them. That would be silly. > > > > > >On 30/03/2009, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > craigie* wrote: > > > >my first book took five days. And was written in classic 'beat' fashion > being fuelled by amphetamines and vodka... > > ...after I had written: > > >My first novel took me 30 days to write... > > > ...I always think of -- but don't agree with -- the sneering quote from > Capote > (IIRC) when told about Kerouac's non-stop composing method (on the long, > seemingly never-ending roll of paper): "That's not writing -- that's > typing..." (Also, I always think of it as "Capote sniffed" as the manner > of > how he said it...) > > > Michael "Uh, I 'typed' plenty, back in my over-indulging days..." Sweeney > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet > Explorer 8. > > http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 > 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:48:26 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > (Also, I always think of it as "Capote sniffed" as the manner of > how he said it...) > I'm always trying to "sniff" things, but it only ever makes me sound like I'm trying to stifle a sneeze. My first "novel" took a few weeks to write, and was an unrepentant knock-off of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Hey, I was 16. I have vivid, complex ideas for novels all the time, but I never complete them. Maybe I should write short stories instead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:51:44 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Dukes reissues Yeah, wow! The Dukes of Stratosphere was one of the first albums someone taped for me! I still have the multicolored cassette around here somewhere. I was so musically naive at the time I didn't know "Pale and Precious" was a Beach Boys pastiche. I only figured it out years later, upon hearing Pet Sounds for the first time. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > 2009/3/30 David Stovall : > > > > Ohholycrap-thanksfortheheadsupgonnagoorderthosenow-theredone!!!1!1!!!1one > > Was just behind you in the queue, oh silently nined one. > > This will be so awesome, but it's a shame they've changed the covers. > > Stewart > > -- > http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:09:09 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art ...I think you are exactly right -- that's gotta be EXACTLY what she thought at the 21-, 22-, 23-yr-old time...and, even though she and our at-angles-relationship were the centerpiece to that first novel, I had (sorta, I guess) forgotten about the cut-up letters, and didn't mention them...however, the extra-long (up to 50 pages at a time) notes I used to send her DID function in quite prominently (IIRC, two of the late chapters -- reflecting hope, then turning to disgust -- were titled something like "Sending 10,000 Words Off Into the Blue" and "Throwing 10,000 Words Down a Hole"). ...And, BTW, gawd, I sure wish I had a copy of one or two of those letters I sent her back then (the cut-up OR 50-pg ones)...sigh... MLS Viv wrote: >That's a great image. I would love to read one of those letters. Unrequited and the things it makes people do is one of my >passions. > >What's sad is that she probably thought "Oh god, another one of those crazy cut-up letters, why does he do this?" When you'd >rather be slaying dragons for her or some such thing, only there aren't any dragons, there's just your feelings and some paper >and some chemicals to help you through the mess. > > >On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: ...Reminds me of the long, drunken (and wasted) impassioned letters I used to type back then to the distant female friend I was crazy about. The morning after the sipping, sniffing, and keyboard-pounding (all with big ol' cup headphones clamped onto my head, pumping VU, "Toys in the Attic," and "Sandinista!" into my swollen brain), I would take scissors and actually cut up the originals, editing out the stuff that was too "out there" (i.e. admitting my misguided, unrequited love for her...or copping to whatever illegal I was ingesting)...and then I'd paste the semi-sanitized remaining-passage chunks onto another piece of paper and mail those to her. Always wondered what the hell she thought was the deal with me sending her those -- semi-William S. Burroughs cut-up crap? Oh well... _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:59:17 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Capt. Beefheart's 10 commandments Here: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2009/03/captain-beefhearts-10-commandments-of-guitar-playing.html 1. Listen to the birds. 2. Your guitar is not really a guitar Your guitar is a divining rod. 3. Practice in front of a bush 4. Walk with the devil 5. If you're guilty of thinking, you're out 6. Never point your guitar at anyone 7. Always carry a church key 8. Don't wipe the sweat off your instrument 9. Keep your guitar in a dark place 10. You gotta have a hood for your engine If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Kim Deal on Wait Wait http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35 "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:40:48 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/03/30/arts/international-film-jarre.html?r ef=arts my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:57:20 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Subject: McCartney fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:24 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > Ayup, McCartney's cutesy side is monstrously offputting, but the good stuff >> has plenty to offer. "Let Me Roll It," for example. >> > > This and the companion "Coming Up" might cover the needed territory. Kevin > points out the cover by Robyn. > Which is ace, and also the first version of the song I ever heard. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:07:18 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > > > I'd say yes, even though I'm not as big a fan as Rex, by any means. My > first ever encounter with The Fall was when I bought a record based on a > review in my favorite music magazine (Spex) - that was way back when you > basically had no other choice to get new music than to buy the cat in the > bag. (Theoretically I could've asked to listen to it in the store, but I > never did that). So the record was "This Nation's Saving Grace". Me and a > friend had both bought new records and listened to them together, and I > remember how upset I was to have wasted so much money on that unlistenable > crap ;-) IIRC my friend got a Woodentops record - anybody remember *them*? > Anyway, that was more than 20 years ago and I've grown to like that record > and some others by The Fall very much. Still I don't listen to them very > often and I find Rex's current trip of "All Fall, all the time" > unfathomable. I don't necessarily recommend it with The Fall per se, but spending an exclusive year with one artist's output is something I think a lot of people would find rewarding. If you can turn off your need to hear "new" music for a while, that is. It's definitely an experiment... my goal was to try out being an more avid follower/examiner of an artist than I have since my first days of musical obsessiveness (although even then, I never listened exclusively to anyone, even Robyn, for this long a stretch). I could go into it further, but most likely the general reaction would be "get a blog", and I'd have to respond, "But then I'll know for sure that nobody's reading anything I write, and this way I can at least pretend". And I've been trying to forestall that exchange for years now. Erm, anyway, no, The Fall is decidedly not for everyone. In fact, you can probably tell within two songs or less if you have any interest at all. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:15:28 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Free Dylan On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:51 AM, FSThomas wrote: > Today (?) only on Dylan's site, "Beyond Here Lies Nothin'". > > http://www.bobdylan.com/ > > Sounds like they've intentionally blown out the quality a bit (seems LOUD). > Welcome to 2009. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:21:51 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Dukes reissues On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:51 AM, vivien lyon wrote: > Yeah, wow! The Dukes of Stratosphere was one of the first albums someone > taped for me! I still have the multicolored cassette around here somewhere. > > I was so musically naive at the time I didn't know "Pale and Precious" was > a > Beach Boys pastiche. I only figured it out years later, upon hearing Pet > Sounds for the first time. That's awesome. More and more I find that musical naivete is underrated, as long as you remain engaged enough to follow the roots someday. My stepdaughter's going through a big Bowie (and to a lesser extent Beatles) phase. It's funny how she looks at both catalogs as if they all came out at the same time. Like Bowie just did one big tour where he had a lot of costume changes. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:27:03 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Rex wrote: > > > > Erm, anyway, no, The Fall is decidedly not for everyone. In fact, you can > probably tell within two songs or less if you have any interest at all. > I nominate one of those two songs as "Cruiser's Creek." Suggestions for the other? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:27:56 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Rex wrote: > I don't necessarily recommend it with The Fall per se, but spending an > exclusive year with one artist's output is something I think a lot of > people > would find rewarding. If you can turn off your need to hear "new" music > for > a while, that is. It's definitely an experiment... my goal was to try > out being an more avid follower/examiner of an artist than I have since my > first days of musical obsessiveness (although even then, I never listened > exclusively to anyone, even Robyn, for this long a stretch). I did listen to Robyn's music nearly exclusively for over a year. And before that, I had been listening to only Elvis Costello's music for about 9 months. I haven't done the exclusive thing for awhile, and it only happens for me with artists that I have an (arguably) unhealthy obsession with. Erm, anyway, no, The Fall is decidedly not for everyone. In fact, you > canprobably tell within two songs or less if you have any interest at all. > I am going to give it a try. Will report back, 15:00 hrs. V. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:24:19 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Free Dylan Rex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:51 AM, FSThomas wrote: > >> Sounds like they've intentionally blown out the quality a bit (seems LOUD). >> >> > Welcome to 2009. > > -Rex But is that the way it's going to be mastered when the disc is released (next week?) or just an intentionally trashed freebie to get people to buy the actual? I'm hoping for the latter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:40:11 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned > Suggestions for the other? No Xmas for John Quays If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Joe Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:46:59 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Rex wrote: > Erm, anyway, no, The Fall is decidedly not for everyone. In fact, you can > probably tell within two songs or less if you have any interest at all. I had listened to way more than two songs by the Fall and thought I had no interest at all. I even owned THE WONDERFUL AND FRIGHTENING WORLD OF THE FALL, which I now think is one of their best, and *hated* it. I'll bet I heard at least a couple of dozen Fall songs from 1984-1997, but... then it all it changed. I credit Wire. Nevertheless, looking forward to Viv's response. I usually recommend from the Brix era, which "Cruisers Creek" hails from, but I'd put in a vote for the massive throb of "Dr. Buck's Letter" as the second one. "Living Too Late" is another candidate, but the vocal, urm, breakdown might be too much. In fact, that part is why I hated it, and is in part why I now love it. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:41:33 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned 2009/3/30 2fs : > > Suggestions for the other? Dktr Faustus? Totally Wired? - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:48:43 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned Done and done. Well, _not_ done, because I haven't listened to them yet. But with the magic of iTunes, I will soon have listened to 30 seconds of each. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > Suggestions for the other? > > No Xmas for John Quays > > If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the > essential words. -- Joe Saramago > http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:52:57 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > Suggestions for the other? > > No Xmas for John Quays Late period curveball: "Dr. Buck's Letter". "The Classical" is probably a big pivot point for "no" or "moar". Hmmm. I'm kind of oddly... scared now. I've gotten too invested in The Fall, and I like Viv... I think this is how Sweeney felt when I dared to try "Tusk". Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:55:40 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rex wrote: > Maybe I should've said "one LP" instead of "two songs". 'cept who has a turntable any longer? If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:57:12 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned Okay. First impression: not my thing. Second impression: great song titles. Third impression: No Xmas for John Quays has a bit of a Soft Boys feel. Preliminary conclusion: too soon to say, appetite whetted mildly by this musical amuse bouche, but needing further guidance. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:48 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > Done and done. Well, _not_ done, because I haven't listened to them yet. > But with the magic of iTunes, I will soon have listened to 30 seconds of > each. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> > Suggestions for the other? >> >> No Xmas for John Quays >> >> If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the >> essential words. -- Joe Saramago >> http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:00:00 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Free Dylan On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:24 PM, FSThomas wrote: > > > But is that the way it's going to be mastered when the disc is released > (next week?) or just an intentionally trashed freebie to get people to > buy the actual? > > I'm hoping for the latter. Yeah, me too, but industry trends make it unfortunately at least *possible* that that's the mastering on the thing. I knew what I thought was a pretty good deal about the "loudness wars" already, but a few weeks ago I found myself in a recording studio, and the engineer demonstrated it a controlled setting that left no room for "huh, it doesn't sound that bad in my car" or "that's just the shitty compression on your mp3". It's quite real. What still boggles my mind is how there's a school of thought, much less a *consensus*, that people will like a song better than another song because ITS LOUDER THAN HELL AND MORE COMPRESSED AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!. But that's where we are. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:03:07 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > Nevertheless, looking forward to Viv's response. I usually recommend > from the Brix era, which "Cruisers Creek" hails from, but I'd put in a > vote for the massive throb of "Dr. Buck's Letter" as the second one. > Wow, was that two completely independent recommendations for "Dr. Buck's Letter", or are we just truly in the Realm of the Essence of Tong? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:13:46 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder Europe 72 is an indispensable document of that band at their peak, and it should be noted that at least half of it is material that debuted with that set. I wouldn't want to be without Wake Of the Flood either. Or Weir's Ace, which is simply a Dead album with all the material written and sung by Bob Weir (and some nice Tex-Mex grooves). Garcia's Reflections set is accessible to general audiences and has some really pretty tunes on it in a N'orleans sort of mode. And yes, if you're looking for the earlier, trip-o-tronic material Live Dead is the place to go. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:10 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:30 AM, wrote: > > > I always thought that you really only need to ownB a couple of studio > > albums > > by the Grateful Dead unless you are a true fan. > > > > American Beauty and Workingman's Dead and and if you want to addB a third > > one > > then maybe In The Dark.B I never gave much attantion to their live > albums. > > > Yeah, but those two - fine as they are - are pretty unrepresentative. > That's > sorta the "folk-rock" Dead. For more psych stuff, try _Anthem of the Sun_ > or > _Aoxomoxoa_ - for live stuff try the _Live Dead_ set from, uh, '68(?) or > _Europe '72_. > > I don't think that much of _In the Dark_ - can't stand Brent Mydland's > muppet-esque yowling. First (and so far only) time I heard "Tons Of Steel" I knew this was a singer who had no appeal for me in any way whatever. > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:15:24 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Rex wrote: > Wow, was that two completely independent recommendations for "Dr. Buck's > Letter", or are we just truly in the Realm of the Essence of Tong? Definitely a Tongfroid moment. One of my favorite things about "Dr. Buck's Letter" is the part where MES is enumerating the things that he cannot leave the house without, and he forgets to say "two" in front of "music, cassettes." So then when he says "three: palm pilot," it makes it sound like he always leaves the house with three Palm Pilots. later, Miles np: Prince, LOTUSFLOW3R (first spin) - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #94 *******************************