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fegmaniax-digest        Monday, March 30 2009        Volume 17 : Number 093



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Eb-Stank                           ["Nectar At Any Cost!" <etews@inwa.net>]
  Re: Enz                               [vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com>]
  Re: feglist arguments/INFJs/California  [Caroline Smith <caroline@redchoco]
  Re: Enz                                     [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: more fodder                   [James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91                           [HSatterfld@aol.com]
  Re: more fodder                                        [HSatterfld@aol.com]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91                [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  RE: Enz                                ["Brian Huddell" <bhuddell@cox.net>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91      ["Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@gmail.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91                [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: two bands recently mentioned          [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91                   [Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>]
  Dukes reissues                       [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: Enz                                   [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91              [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: Eb-Stank                                   [Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>]
  Re: Subject: McCartney fodder        [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: Subject: more fodder                      [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: two bands recently mentioned      [vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com>]
  Re: Subject: more fodder             [kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>]
  Re: two bands recently mentioned  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni]
  Re: Subject: more fodder                 [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  [none]                                   [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create  (semi-)art  ["craigie*" <craigie@gmai]
  RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art  [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail]
  Re: Subject: more fodder                    [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create  (semi-)art  ["craigie*" <craigie@gmai]
  RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art  [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail]

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:33:53 -0700
From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" <etews@inwa.net>
Subject: Eb-Stank

<But "In the Wee Small Hours" (1955) and "(Sings for) Only the Lonely"
(1958)>

thanks for the tip.  have downloaded these, and will have a listen.  i've
always loved his voice; but found that i could only take him in small
doses.


<I don't think NMH sucks...but it's also rather weird to me how iconic that
album has become. I mean, when it came out, yeah, it got good reviews...but
somehow, in the intervening years, it's come to be like indie rock's Sgt.
Pepper or something. Don't know how that happened.>

well, i think it's fair to say that it received great (not merely good)
reviews.  at any rate, i think it happened because it's merited.  not to
say that it's the greatest indie album ever released, necessarily...but
then, neither is *Dark Side Of The Moon* (a better analogy, i think, if you
mean something like: multi-generational zeitgeist-grabber) the greatest
album ever released.

as it happens i was just listening the other day to the new merge
20th-anniversary covers disc, which features apples in stereo covering
"King Of Carrot Flowers"; which cover only made me want to go back and
listen to the original.  the doing of which *really* took me back to the
spring of '98.  listened to that album non-fucking-stop for a good long
while; and used to get *so* depressed when it ended, even though i know i
was going to immediately begin to listen to it again.


<Is there anyone here who doesn't have a love/hate relationship with the
list?

Just wondering.>

i love this board unreservedly.


<The Velvet Underground.  How anybody can get all the way through White
Light/White Heat is beyond me.>

well, if that's your first and only exposure to the band, you're probably
doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the other three records.


<There've been far too many mornings when "Sister Ray" was the only thing
that could motivate me to even breathe, let alone go to work>

that, right there, has got to be the most bitchinest sentence in the
history of the english language.  doesn't it?


<So I think "I wish I liked Artist X" equates closely to "Artist X is
someone whose music I just don't get yet but whom I'm not entirely willing
to give up utterly on.">

but "i haven't given up on them" is just as easy to say and/or type than "i
wish i liked them"...


speaking of misheard lyrics; i'd always heard diamond-dave singing "etch a
sketch / etch a sketch" in "Little Guitars".  i always figured that it
couldn't be *correct*, mind, but couldn't figure out what it might actually
be that he was singing.  always kind of knew that one day i would get
around to looking it up; and have finally done so.  turns out that one of
the lyrics sites (happened to be the first one i looked at) *does* list
"etch a sketch"...but, alas, all the rest list "catch as catch".

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:45:52 -0700
From: vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Enz

The Split Enz song I heard was "One Step Ahead," and it makes me want to
listen to more S.E.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:58 PM, James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM, James Dignan <<mailto:
>> grutness@slingshot.co.nz>grutness@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> (PS-alologies for the typos - I'm typoing in near darkness and can't see
>> the keyvoard)
>>
>>
>> You sure are typoing! But it's cute. Also, I think "keyvoard" is an IKEA
>> product.
>>
>
> Heh. I was lying in bed with my laptop while my sweetie was asleep next to
> me. Didn't want to turn a light on in case it woke her up. I can't
> touch-type :)
>
> James
>
> PS -I wrote: " I (33) N (38) F (25) P (33).  And wildly inconsistent in my
> answers." That should read INFJ. Same as Nelson Mandela and Nicole Kidman.
> Who can fault that company?
>
> --
>   James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand  <http://www.grutness.co.nz>
>   -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
>   =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
>   -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
>   .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:40:39 -0400
From: Caroline Smith <caroline@redchocolate.ca>
Subject: Re: feglist arguments/INFJs/California

On 29-Mar-09, at 1:15 PM, 2fs wrote:
>
> Nah - we'll just argue over the validity of the Jung Typology Test...
>
> Anyway, mine came out INFJ (22/62/38/33).

Another INFJ here. Specifically (78/38/75/1). I think that's three of  
us so far? I've taken the test a few times over the past 15 years and  
the results have been consistent. I was a member of a mailing list for  
INFJ-ers for a while too. The traffic was insanely high. It wouldn't  
be unusual to get 200 messages a day. It was a really interesting  
experience, but I just couldn't keep up with any of the threads.

I was a bit disappointed to learn that Robyn will be in Toronto on  
April 14th. We're taking a family vacation to California that week  
(flying into San Francisco and driving down to Palm Springs along  
Highway 1). If anyone is interested in meeting up with another feg, a  
feg husband and a 2-year old possible feg, or if you have any tourist  
tips (Hearst Castle worth a visit?) lemme know.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:37:50 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Enz

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:45 PM, vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Split Enz song I heard was "One Step Ahead," and it makes me want to
> listen to more S.E.


Off the top of my head, that's my favorite Split Enz song. I haven't
listened to the band for years, though. Oh wait - "History Never Repeats" is
another favorite, and "Six Months in a Leaky Boat"...

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.wordpress.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:38:43 +1300
From: James Dignan <grutness@slingshot.co.nz>
Subject: Re: more fodder

>One of those Finns showed up on the first few Phil Manzanera albums and
>wasn't bad either, whichever one it was.

Both Finns, plus fellow Enzer Eddie rayner, were on K-scope and 
Listen Now, IIRC.

James

- -- 

   James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand  <http://www.grutness.co.nz>
    -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
    =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
    -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
    .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:00:49 EDT
From: HSatterfld@aol.com
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and  that
> you wish you liked?
 
I suspect the next ten years of my life would be much more
musically enjoyable if I really liked Hannah Montana.
 
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make meals for Under 
$10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:01:06 EDT
From: HSatterfld@aol.com
Subject: Re: more fodder 

In a message dated 3/29/2009 1:47:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes:

Re: more  fodder




**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make meals for Under 
$10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:39:49 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:00 PM, <HSatterfld@aol.com> wrote:

> > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and
>  that
> > you wish you liked?
>
> I suspect the next ten years of my life would be much more
> musically enjoyable if I really liked Hannah Montana.


I wouldn't necessarily say i "like" it...but about a year ago, when Rex was
talking about that "Best of Both Worlds" song, I was curious about what he
said re key changes, so I downloaded it...and you know what? It's not a
half-bad song.

But it's the sort of thing I only want to hear once in a while - there's
something about the freezedried "perfection" of the production that's like
McDonald's food: somehow everything tastes the same. It's weird how people
these days seem to think audiences won't accept tempos that wobble slightly,
instruments (even when they're nominally played by humans) that sound like
they're played by humans, etc....when a lot of people's most beloved songs
are exactly all that. I mean, there's still a huge audience for all kinds of
old songs, pre-drum machine, pre-Pro Tools - don't those producers sometimes
imagine that part of the appeal of that stuff is that the trace of actual
human labor audible in those tracks is part of the appeal?

Relatedly: it strikes me as weird that somewhere along the line, it became
completely the dominant notion that "dance" music had to be produced on
machines. This follows after the reduction of "danceable" from the variety
of beats and tempi you can hear in the '60s and earlier (both in rock and
pre-rock) to the rather monolithic dominance of four-on-the-floor beats with
a limited tempo range in disco and afterwards. What's really weird about
that is: you'd think dancing would be the most human of musics, being the
most tied to the body, the most sensual, etc. - yet of all genres, "dance
music" now is likeliest to be and sound most mechanical. Guess James Brown
had it right: what we really want to be is a sex machine - not a sexual
body.


- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.wordpress.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:13:54 -0500
From: "Brian Huddell" <bhuddell@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Enz

> > The Split Enz song I heard was "One Step Ahead," and it makes me want
> to
> > listen to more S.E.
> 
> 
> Off the top of my head, that's my favorite Split Enz song. I haven't
> listened to the band for years, though. Oh wait - "History Never
> Repeats" is another favorite, and "Six Months in a Leaky Boat"...

What's the matter with you?  No, I mean the song, one of my faves.  And
"Dirty Creature", "I Got You" ...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:17:18 -0400
From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scruss@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

2fs wrote:
> 
> I mean, there's still a huge audience for all kinds of
> old songs, pre-drum machine, pre-Pro Tools

There may not be a huge audience for this --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXLl58r4E0&feature=related -- but Hoyt
Ming's recording from 1928 is still catchy as all get out. You might
like it ... and no Pro-Tools in Ralph Peer's studio.

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:45:31 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com>wrote:

> 2fs wrote:
> >
> > I mean, there's still a huge audience for all kinds of
> > old songs, pre-drum machine, pre-Pro Tools
>
> There may not be a huge audience for this --
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXLl58r4E0&feature=related -- but Hoyt
> Ming's recording from 1928 is still catchy as all get out. You might
> like it ... and no Pro-Tools in Ralph Peer's studio.


Video by a guy who used to do Fall album covers!

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.wordpress.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:57:37 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:50 PM, vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:

> SONIC YOUTH.
>
> That's one of my biggest "gee-I-don't-get-the-appeal-I-must-be-an-idiot"
> bands ever. And considering the recently published book of short stories
> inspired by their songs (a lot like... fan fiction?),


There's one of those for The Fall, too.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:02:22 -0700
From: Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:00 PM, HSatterfld@aol.com wrote:

>> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like,  
>> and  that
>> you wish you liked?
>
> I suspect the next ten years of my life would be much more
> musically enjoyable if I really liked Hannah Montana.

Don't even go there.  And now it's High School Musical.  Just shoot me.

- -tc

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:40:36 -0500
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Dukes reissues

<http://www.ape.uk.net/acatalog/XTC_as_The_Dukes_Of_Stratosphear.html>


- - Steve
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_6O-xByzRg>

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:58:06 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Enz

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Brian Huddell <bhuddell@cox.net> wrote:

> > > The Split Enz song I heard was "One Step Ahead," and it makes me want
> > to
> > > listen to more S.E.
> >
> >
> > Off the top of my head, that's my favorite Split Enz song. I haven't
> > listened to the band for years, though. Oh wait - "History Never
> > Repeats" is another favorite, and "Six Months in a Leaky Boat"...
>
> What's the matter with you?  No, I mean the song, one of my faves.  And
> "Dirty Creature", "I Got You" ...


All good stuff.

- -Rex

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:00:48 -0700
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com> wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:00 PM, HSatterfld@aol.com wrote:
>
>  Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and
>>>  that
>>> you wish you liked?
>>>
>>
>> I suspect the next ten years of my life would be much more
>> musically enjoyable if I really liked Hannah Montana.
>>
>
> Don't even go there.  And now it's High School Musical.  Just shoot me.


Guys, HSM is totally over.  And Hannah Montana?  Not going to be around
another ten years.

But the next thing that comes along *will* suck just as bad, I'm pretty
sure.

- -Rex

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:00:46 -0700
From: Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Eb-Stank

On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote:

> <Is there anyone here who doesn't have a love/hate relationship with  
> the
> list?
>
> Just wondering.>
>
> i love this board unreservedly.

Ditto.  Been here for going on 20 years, yet still the wide-eyed  
optimist.


> <There've been far too many mornings when "Sister Ray" was the only  
> thing
> that could motivate me to even breathe, let alone go to work>
>
> that, right there, has got to be the most bitchinest sentence in the
> history of the english language.  doesn't it?

An interesting experiment would be to set up the alarm clock to wake  
you up to this every morning for as long as you could take it.

- -tc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:05:23 -0500
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: McCartney fodder

On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:24 PM, kevin studyvin wrote:

> Ayup, McCartney's cutesy side is monstrously offputting, but the  
> good stuff
> has plenty to offer.  "Let Me Roll It," for example.

This and the companion "Coming Up" might cover the needed territory.   
Kevin points out the cover by Robyn.

<http://www.amazon.com/Listen-What-Man-Said-McCartney/dp/B00005NVJM>



- - Steve
__________
Mojo: If push comes to shove, what is your all-time favourite album?   
Harry Shearer: Right now it would be Apple Venus by XTC. Every  
fucking song on that record is a killer, and I just think it's  
Beatles-esque in the best sense of the term. We'll never see it live,  
which I both treasure and bemoan.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:24:10 -0400
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder

kevin <kstudyvin@gmail.com> says:
> Ayup, McCartney's cutesy side is monstrously offputting, but the good stuff
> has plenty to offer.  "Let Me Roll It," for example.

"maybe i'm amazed" is so good that i don't have bother to form an
opinion about the rest of mccartney's career.

with mccartney, you can be going along nonchalantly for an album or
two.  and then, just like that, he hits one out the park, and you're
wondering why you're flat on your ass.

xo

p.s. i love robyn's cover of "let me roll it" - i love his voice
cracking on that song.  it's probably not good singing, but it'll
definitely get the girl.


- -- 
"people with opinions just go around bothering one another."  -- the buddha

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:07:56 -0700
From: vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:50 PM, vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> SONIC YOUTH.
>>
>> That's one of my biggest "gee-I-don't-get-the-appeal-I-must-be-an-idiot"
>> bands ever. And considering the recently published book of short stories
>> inspired by their songs (a lot like... fan fiction?),
>
>
> There's one of those for The Fall, too.
>

See, I couldn't name a single The Fall song. Is that bad? Should I be
wanting to like them?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:08:18 -0700
From: kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder

> p.s. i love robyn's cover of "let me roll it" - i love his voice
> cracking on that song.  it's probably not good singing, but it'll
> definitely get the girl.
>

Which, from one perspective, is a definition of "good singing."

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:35:43 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned

- --On 30. Mdrz 2009 00:07:56 -0700 vivien lyon <vivien.lyon@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> See, I couldn't name a single The Fall song. Is that bad? Should I be
> wanting to like them?

I'd say yes, even though I'm not as big a fan as Rex, by any means. My 
first ever encounter with The Fall was when I bought a record based on a 
review in my favorite music magazine (Spex) - that was way back when you 
basically had no other choice to get new music than to buy the cat in the 
bag. (Theoretically I could've asked to listen to it in the store, but I 
never did that). So the record was "This Nation's Saving Grace". Me and a 
friend had both bought new records and listened to them together, and I 
remember how upset I was to have wasted so much money on that unlistenable 
crap ;-) IIRC my friend got a Woodentops record - anybody remember *them*? 
Anyway, that was more than 20 years ago and I've grown to like that record 
and some others by The Fall very much. Still I don't listen to them very 
often and I find Rex's current trip of "All Fall, all the time" 
unfathomable.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder

lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:

> p.s. i love robyn's cover of "let me roll it" - i love his
> voice cracking on that song.  it's probably not good
> singing, but it'll definitely get the girl.

You contradict yourself. If it gets the girl, it is by definition good singing.


"I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]

This is almost a good as Richard THompson doing Britney, except that "Oops!" is a good popsong when you scrub away the crap; "Hot & Cold" is still garbage.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lebuzzodrome/los-colorados-hot-and-cold-9ht/

"I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:12:45 +0100
From: "craigie*" <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create  (semi-)art

my first book took five days.  And was written in classic 'beat'
fashion being fuelled by amphetamines and vodka...

The second took four times as long and wasn't.

the third (currently in production...) has taken over a year and despite
being properly chapter-planned has yet to dent twelve pages...

go figure.

c*

(I like 'Dance, Monkey!' as a title though...)


On 28/03/2009, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff:
>
> >Should it take twenty years to write a novel? Hell if I know - I've never
> written one.
>
> Viv:
>
> >I have a very very tardy muse who is overpaid and lazy. This means my
> >novel will take twenty years to write, and you will probably read it and
> >say, "Jesus, this took her twenty years?"
>
>
> ...Merely a response that proves or disproves nothing -- just shows that
> [shrugs] you never know...
>
> My first novel took me 30 days to write -- and, since those days spanned
> about
> Aug 17 - Sept 16, 2001, they also included more than a few days near the
> end
> spent staring open-jawed at a television for many hours (plus, I was also
> working 40-55 hour weeks then, too...but might have managed to scribble
> parts
> of it while I was supposed to be working).  However, much like the "18
> years
> to write a first album" Elvis Costello quote...I suppose it DID take me 39
> years of living to build up what I spewed forth on those 30 days (drank
> alot
> of Red Bull then -- but no booze -- too)...
>
> My second novel was written out of order, in semi-random pieces, a few
> years
> back ('05, I think?).  It exists in about 100 pages in my computer's memory
> and 4 or 5 jammed-full hand-written notebooks.  The writing is finished,
> but
> the assembly -- the determining just exactly where each "episode" or
> occurence
> should go -- is not.  Not sure exactly how long the main work took, but...I
> wanna say maybe 3, 4, 5 months?...with spurts and slow downs.  And, of
> course,
> I have not even made much more than a token effort to put it all together
> since (hey, I purchased the 3X5 note cards to fill in the summaries of each
> incident so I can then shuffle through them and decide the proper order,
> but...haven't done much else yet)...so, technically, I suppose it is not
> quite
> done...
>
> The third one is only an idea, outline, and a few dozen pages of writing
> that
> I may well never return to...maybe that was just a false start.
>
> Similarly, there were years in this period where I turned out much short
> fiction (including one 60-day period where I wrote about 25 or 30 of
> them...most of which were even pretty OK) and other times (including now,
> when
> I am busy writing much non-fiction every week -- 4 to 5 full-length pieces)
> when I maybe only did a few stories in an entire year.
>
> So...you never know -- and this from someone who A) Has made a living at
> writing (almost solely) for 25 years now...B) Doesn't believe in "writer's
> block" (but, hey, some days are harder than others...and some ideas are
> worse
> than others)...and C) Still writes something just about every single day...
>
> Thus endeth examples...
>
>
> Michael Sweeney
> (do I have to break up my sig if I have no joke or additional comment?
> sigh...such are the expected trademarks (even forced, semi-stupid ones) we
> set
> ourselves up with...)
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gladly feast on those who would subdue us")

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:35:22 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art

craigie* wrote:


>my first book took five days.  And was written in classic 'beat' fashion
being fuelled by amphetamines and vodka...

...after I had written:

>My first novel took me 30 days to write...


...I always think of -- but don't agree with -- the sneering quote from Capote
(IIRC) when told about Kerouac's non-stop composing method (on the long,
seemingly never-ending roll of paper):  "That's not writing -- that's
typing..."  (Also, I always think of it as "Capote sniffed" as the manner of
how he said it...)


Michael "Uh, I 'typed' plenty, back in my over-indulging days..." Sweeney

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:45:45 -0500
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:08 AM, kevin studyvin <kstudyvin@gmail.com> wrote:
> p.s. i love robyn's cover of "let me roll it" - i love his voice
> cracking on that song.  it's probably not good singing, but it'll
> definitely get the girl.
>

Which, from one perspective, is a definition of "good singing."

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> wrote:

> lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > p.s. i love robyn's cover of "let me roll it" - i love his
> > voice cracking on that song.  it's probably not good
> > singing, but it'll definitely get the girl.
>
> You contradict yourself. If it gets the girl, it is by definition good
> singing.


Kevin, Jeff...get a room!


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...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.wordpress.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:51:34 +0100
From: "craigie*" <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create  (semi-)art

oh, it *definitely* typing...

some days iot didn't even make much sense, either, until it had been
viciously edited.

And I did use scissors.

c*

although I didn't run with them. That would be silly.


On 30/03/2009, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> craigie* wrote:
>
> >my first book took five days.  And was written in classic 'beat'
> fashion being fuelled by amphetamines and vodka...
>
> ...after I had written:
>
> >My first novel took me 30 days to write...
>
>
> ...I always think of -- but don't agree with -- the sneering quote from
> Capote (IIRC) when told about Kerouac's non-stop composing method (on the
> long, seemingly never-ending roll of paper):  "That's not writing -- that's
> typing..."  (Also, I always think of it as "Capote sniffed" as the manner of
> how he said it...)
>
>
> Michael "Uh, I 'typed' plenty, back in my over-indulging days..." Sweeney
>
>
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- -- 
first things first, but not necessarily in that order...

I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively
packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)...

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We
gladly feast on those who would subdue us")

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:17:54 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: WAS Re: Decemberists new CD...IS NOW Length of time to create (semi-)art

...Reminds me of the long, drunken (and wasted) impassioned letters I used to
type back then to the distant female friend I was crazy about.  The morning
after the sipping, sniffing, and keyboard-pounding (all with big ol' cup
headphones clamped onto my head, pumping VU, "Toys in the Attic," and
"Sandinista!" into my swollen brain), I would take scissors and actually cut
up the originals, editing out the stuff that was too "out there" (i.e.
admitting my misguided, unrequited love for her...or copping to whatever
illegal I was ingesting)...and then I'd paste the semi-sanitized
remaining-passage chunks onto another piece of paper and mail those to her.
Always wondered what the hell she thought was the deal with me sending her
those -- semi-William S. Burroughs cut-up crap?  Oh well...



MLS



craigie* wrote:

>oh, it *definitely* typing...
>
>some days iot didn't even make much sense, either, until it had been
viciously edited.
>
>And I did use scissors.
>
>c*
>
>although I didn't run with them. That would be silly.
>
>
>On 30/03/2009, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:

craigie* wrote:


>my first book took five days.  And was written in classic 'beat' fashion
being fuelled by amphetamines and vodka...

...after I had written:

>My first novel took me 30 days to write...


...I always think of -- but don't agree with -- the sneering quote from Capote
(IIRC) when told about Kerouac's non-stop composing method (on the long,
seemingly never-ending roll of paper):  "That's not writing -- that's
typing..."  (Also, I always think of it as "Capote sniffed" as the manner of
how he said it...)


Michael "Uh, I 'typed' plenty, back in my over-indulging days..." Sweeney


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