From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #92 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 29 2009 Volume 17 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: more fodder [kevin studyvin ] Re: Ride [kevin studyvin ] Re: Subject: more fodder [kevin studyvin ] Re: Subject: more fodder [kevin studyvin ] Re: Ride [2fs ] Arno ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Neil Young Archives/Times Fades Away WAS Subject: more fodder [HwyCDRrev] Re: feglist arguments [lep ] Re: more fodder [Terrence Marks ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [lep ] Re: feglist arguments [Michael Sweeney ] Re: more fodder [2fs ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [2fs ] Re: Neil Young Archives/Times Fades Away WAS Subject: more fodder [kevin ] Re: more fodder ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: feglist arguments [kevin studyvin ] Re: feglist arguments [kevin studyvin ] Re: more fodder [vivien lyon ] Re: feglist arguments [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: feglist arguments [lep ] Re: feglist arguments [James Dignan ] Re:Enz [James Dignan ] Re: Enz [vivien lyon ] Re: feglist arguments [vivien lyon ] two bands recently mentioned [2fs ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [vivien lyon ] Re: two bands recently mentioned [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Enz [James Dignan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:04:16 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: more fodder One of those Finns showed up on the first few Phil Manzanera albums and wasn't bad either, whichever one it was. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM, vivien lyon wrote: > I just heard a really fantastic Split Enz song, which I can't remember the > name of right now. Shucks. > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 AM, wrote: > > > > > To be fair though IB really haven't given Split Enz much of a shot. I > do > > > like > > > most of the Crowded House albums and Woodface (which has both Finns) is > > one > > > of > > > my Top 10 albums from 1991. > > > > > > I have most of the Split Enz albums but haven't ever given them a > thorough > > record-by-record dissection. Tim Finn's solo work I like but definitely > > rank below Neil's and Crowded House (Single Finn Edition). "Woodface", > > however, is also one of my favorites, and both Finn Brothers records are > > pretty great (above solo Neil in my estimation), so I'm not sure where I > > land on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:07:40 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Ride > Ahem. > > "does the wind nothear my cry > my pain in the tears of my i > o longlostlove of brokenheart misery!! > i am a crunched-on twig on a wet sidewalk full of worms alas." > > I hate to raise the issue of plagiarism, but I'm pretty sure I wrote that when I was fourteen... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:17:26 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder > "Last Dance" > "Sister Ray". But both essential. And only one of the > two commercially available... still! > > -Rex > > Yeah, what's up with that? One can only hope that Time Fades Away will finally surface somewhere in the Archive, when or if that finally shows up. (And maybe the album the Mynah Birds recorded for Motown.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:24:43 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Laura Golias wrote: > The Grateful Dead. I really did try to get into them. I do like a few of > their songs, but I never understood all the hype surrounding them. Hype > really turns me off. Love the Dead's output 1970 through about '76, but hated Terrapin Station (and Weir's companion piece Heaven Help the Fool) so much that I never paid any attention to their subsequent work. I still think the worst thing that ever happened to that band was their audience. Paul McCartney solo. I just have never cared for him, although I've always like the Beatles. John Lennon was always my favorite Beatle and his solo stuff was SO much better than anything Paul ever did solo. I do have to admit, that although I never really cared for Wings as a band, I still like several of their songs. But as far as going out and buying any Wings CDs, it just ain't gonna happen. Ayup, McCartney's cutesy side is monstrously offputting, but the good stuff has plenty to offer. "Let Me Roll It," for example. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:33:45 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ride On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:07 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Ahem. >> >> "does the wind nothear my cry >> my pain in the tears of my i >> o longlostlove of brokenheart misery!! >> i am a crunched-on twig on a wet sidewalk full of worms alas." >> >> > I hate to raise the issue of plagiarism, but I'm pretty sure I wrote that > when I was fourteen... > As did we all, Kevin - as did we all. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:43:34 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Arno . i didn't even know this guy was still alive. but according to wiki, he's only 83... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:46:48 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Neil Young Archives/Times Fades Away WAS Subject: more fodder here's lots of info on the Archives : and it's coming out June 2 (or not) http://www.thrasherswheat.org/2009/03/archives-track-listing-release-date-now. html and here's something about TFA http://thrasherswheat.org/tnfy/tfa-petition.php my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kstudyvin@gmail.com writes: Yeah, what's up with that? One can only hope that Time Fades Away will finally surface somewhere in the Archive, when or if that finally shows up. (And maybe the album the Mynah Birds recorded for Motown.) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:48:33 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: feglist arguments 2fs says: > I kind of agree w/Sebastian though: a lot of my answers would be > circumstantial, or I can see either side. What I did in taking the test, > though, was either go with my first instinct w/o thinking about it too much, > or reverse the question: if I can say "obviously" or "no way" to the > reverse, whereas the real question seems somehow ambiguous, that reverse > answer helps clarify which side I'm closer to. the myers-briggs (and its coattails) measures 4 aspects of personality on a continuous (well, IRL at least) scale with the two endpoints named with the initials you see - i.e. I/E, S/N, T/P, P/J. for example, the I/E (introversion/extroversion) aspect has to do with the way someone relates (or not) to the world, and how one draws their energy. extroversion represents looking outward whereas introversion represents looking inward. in the extreme, an extrovert is focused on the outside world whereas the introvert focuses on the inside. basically, an introvert lives in their head. but it's not necessarily an either/or thing because one can be anywhere on the I/E continuum. my guess would be that the more balance a person has in a particular aspect, the more difficult it would be to answer "yes/no" questions related to the aspect. i.e. in my case, the I and the N are very skewed. so questions related to these aspects of personality are generally extremely easy for me to answer yes or no. my F and P are more towards center, so i have difficulty with some of those questions because it's not a simple yes/no. but supposedly the test sort of makes that stuff fall out - i think that's why the questions seems rather repetitive - to try to get a handle on the personality aspects which are more balanced, and thus ambiguous. > I think a lot of us here are fairly contradictory: we're sociable in some > settings, but we're perhaps less likely to the person in the center of a > laughing circle at a party; we think things through but try to recognize the > emotional effects; etc. "Contradictory" isn't the right word - I think the > problem w/tests that reduce these things to "yes/no" is precisely that > balanced people see the worth of both sides of the question, at least in > some circumstances. i think you view is really natural, but you might be surprised if you read a bit further - even just reading analysis of your particular type. i've been *stunned* at how accurate the descriptions are. but, then again, i'm not so quick on the uptake when it comes to people; maybe i'm stunned because i would *never* figure some of that stuff out about people - even people i'm very close to. although part of it is just people's natural tendency to assume that others think and see things in the same way (at least as a default position.) and some of it is self-selecting i'm sure - like i've known *very* few extroverts, so i know pretty much nothing except e.g. what i see on t.v. i was even shocked to find out that extroverts are in the majority (in the u.s., naturally it differs by country and culture.) i mean, i look around at work, i look around at school, and all that's there is introverts (with a sort of bizarre amount of their being INTPs and INTJs.) so here's one site with pretty short descriptions: http://www.typelogic.com/fa.html (go to the bottom, find your type, and click on it for the description.) but keirsey is the writer that i've really loved when it comes to the type descriptions. the problem is that the keirsey test uses different terminology so you have to map the myers-briggs type to the keirsey type, e.g. in myers-briggs parlance, my type is INFP, but with keirsey it's called "healer". but its basically the same thing. and the map is pretty easy to figure out - just look for the description that seems to match you, and likely it'll be the correct one. http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=keirsey&f=fourtemps&tab=1&c=overview as ever, lauren "no typo was harmed in the making of this fegpost." - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:51:16 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: more fodder Steve Schiavo says: > On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Terrence Marks wrote: > > I don't dislike The Sunshine Fix; I just fail to like them and really > > wish I didn't. > That would seem to bode ill for stuff like The Apples in Stereo and > Sun PK . Fun Trick Noisemaker and Tone Sole Evolution are two of my favorite albums. "Discovery of a world inside the Moone" is when the good song/bad song ratio went way downhill for me; I think I gave Velocity of Sound one listen, then gave up. And I used to rate my music as good, bad, and so on. I've found that it's much easier if I divide it into "want to listen to often", "want to listen to occasionally" and "don't want to listen to". That way I'm not putting critically acclaimed albums on my playlist if I don't actually like them that much. I appreciate the Sun PK recommendation. Terrence Marks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:00:09 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! 2fs says: > I think this and Jeremy's answer both point at something similar: if all > these other folks, whose tastes and opinions you otherwise respect, like > such-and-such a band, what is it about *you* that you don't like them? In > other words, the consensus of a group of people whose taste you respect > means you can't dismiss the band out of hand. very true. but if i do look into something because of people's opinions i respect, and end up not liking it, it wouldn't occur to me to wish i liked. it's not that i don't want to give things a try - i'm always glad to find new music, movies, books, whatever to like. > At some point, either you just give up, probably. For example: for my own > sanity I've decided I'm just not going to intentionally explore certain > genres, just because I don't have time even to listen to the music I already > like, and if the genre as a whole isn't compelling, just occasional flickers > within it, it seems fruitless to explore further if you don't have enough > time anyway. Or: you've come to conclude, after many attempts to like or > undersatnd a genre, that the very things that *define* the genre are what > you don't like (this is my case with metal, at least metal after say 1980). it's likely that this is a point of semantics. but it seems like a tautology having to do with the meaning of liking something - if you don't like something, why would you bother to *want* to like it? talking about art, i mean (it's perfectly obvious to me that e.g. if something is "good" for you (e.g. some kind of food), you'd be inclined to want to like it. but that's the practicality thing again.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:06:22 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: feglist arguments Jeff 2fs wrote: >Anyway, mine came out INFJ (22/62/38/33). ...Whoa -- mine was INFJ (22/62/38/67)...that's pretty damn close, my apparent semi-brother-to-the-north! (and, although we've yet to ever meet, I DO still fondly recall at least HEARING the results of you setting your glass on that angled edge at Shank Hall the other year...) Michael "...Although, much like Sebastian said (and Jeff agreed with), I suppose it would matter how I answered and when..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:50:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Terrence Marks wrote: > > Fun Trick Noisemaker and Tone Sole Evolution are two of my favorite > albums. "Discovery of a world inside the Moone" is when the good > song/bad song ratio went way downhill for me; I think I gave Velocity > of Sound one listen, then gave up. The thing about _Velocity of Sound_ is, whenever I see the cover I think it's a Stereolab CD. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:00:53 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:00 PM, lep wrote: > 2fs says: > > I think this and Jeremy's answer both point at something similar: if all > > these other folks, whose tastes and opinions you otherwise respect, like > > such-and-such a band, what is it about *you* that you don't like them? In > > other words, the consensus of a group of people whose taste you respect > > means you can't dismiss the band out of hand. > > very true. but if i do look into something because of people's > opinions i respect, and end up not liking it, it wouldn't occur to me > to wish i liked. I think we're using "wish" differently. I think if I try to understand the question, I'd never use the word "wish" - I'd say something like "music for which your dislike or lack of interest is puzzling or inconvenient" - granted, that doesn't quite have the zing of "music you wished you liked." > > it's likely that this is a point of semantics. but it seems like a > tautology having to do with the meaning of liking something - if you > don't like something, why would you bother to *want* to like it? As I said, above: yeah, a point of semantics...but only partly. Another factor is this: I think we all would acknowledge that our musical tastes evolve over time, and that sometimes, something we didn't like all of a sudden gets to some point or other, and we like it. Miles mentioned his history with The Fall - I could attest (and this is partly due to Miles) something similar with Momus: at first, I found him way more intriguing than listenable, and I'd rather have read his blog than listen to his music. I didn't hate it, but it also didn't do much for me. Well, because there was that intrigue with him as a writer (as blogger, as lyricist, as journalist), this motivated me to keep pecking away at his catalog (I'd always liked some songs). And somewhere a couple of years ago, something changed - because from that point forward, I seemed to like most of his stuff, rather than just little bits and pieces of it. And so I think another thing going on when people say that they wished they liked so and so is the acknowledgment that, in fact, some day they might like it, if they somehow can hear it in the right way - since that sort of thing does happen. The opposite happens, too - there are some items in my collection that I simply can't fathom why I ever liked them. And to a lesser degree: I go through phases where I want to listen to Artist X a whole lot, then phases where Artist X is just kinda lukewarm to me. That's actually one thing I enjoy about last.fm - you can actually go back and track your listening habits (at least, your listening habits on computer-based music devices) and see the ebb and flow of those phases - like, wow, 18 months ago I suddenly decided Andy Partridge was God again, and then about a year ago I just stopped for a while... Of course, doesn't work that well for me since I'll often listen in shuffle mode...but still, even though the peaks are less peaky, they're still there. So I think "I wish I liked Artist X" equates closely to "Artist X is someone whose music I just don't get yet but whom I'm not entirely willing to give up utterly on." I don't particularly "wish I liked" Britney Spears, for example - but maybe I wish I liked Tool (probably not, but you know, some folks here are pretty damned sold on that band, so it was a ready-to-hand example). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:08:25 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Neil Young Archives/Times Fades Away WAS Subject: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM, wrote: > here's lots of info on the Archives : and it's coming out June 2 (or not) > > > http://www.thrasherswheat.org/2009/03/archives-track-listing-release-date-now. > html > O-tay! One step closer to physical reality - assuming this release date doesn't go the way of all the previous ones. Looks good - no Mynah Birds though... > > and here's something about TFA > > http://thrasherswheat.org/tnfy/tfa-petition.php Yah, it's interesting to see there's +10K signatures on that petition and no sign of release yet. At least I still have my worn 1973 vinyl to keep me company...maybe vol. 2, if I live long enough to see that. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:16:32 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more fodder Terrence Marks wrote: > > Fun Trick Noisemaker and Tone Soul Evolution are two of my favorite > albums. "Discovery of a world inside the Moone" is when the good > song/bad song ratio went way downhill for me; I think I gave Velocity > of Sound one listen, then gave up. Your trough is my peak: Discovery's my favourite Apples album. Velocity is awesome, but too short. So, all-important question: where are you on Her Wallpaper Reverie? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:17:06 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: feglist arguments Woah, Selah Ward's on my list - that woman has one of the most delicious voices around. Somehow TV commercials are so much easier to endure when she does the V/Os... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:33:03 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: feglist arguments Only I was looking at the wrong list. I guess I'll have to settle for Shakespeare. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Woah, Selah Ward's on my list - that woman has one of the most delicious > voices around. Somehow TV commercials are so much easier to endure when she > does the V/Os... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:47:47 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Terrence Marks wrote: > > > > Fun Trick Noisemaker and Tone Soul Evolution are two of my favorite > > albums. "Discovery of a world inside the Moone" is when the good > > song/bad song ratio went way downhill for me; I think I gave Velocity > > of Sound one listen, then gave up. > > Your trough is my peak: Discovery's my favourite Apples album. Velocity > is awesome, but too short. > > So, all-important question: where are you on Her Wallpaper Reverie? Ditto. I was wondering the same thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:49:59 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: feglist arguments - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 29. Mdrz 2009 12:15:09 -0500 regarding Re: feglist arguments: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:17 AM, lep wrote: > >> probably all the fegs should take the jung "not the myers-briggs" >> typology test. no registration - it's short and free. >> http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp >> >> then report back on your type. OK, so I took the test after all, but I'm really not sure how well it reflects my personality: ISTP (22/12/1/11) Which puts me with Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson. Huh. Somehow that's not how I feel ... the descriptions also don't match at all. The only tool I can use is the computer. And I think I'm more verbal than non-verbal. I guess I gave the wrong answers today. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:24:05 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: feglist arguments Sebastian says: > OK, so I took the test after all, but I'm really not sure how well it > reflects my personality: > > ISTP (22/12/1/11) sorry, i totally forgot - it doesn't work for germans. xo p.s. ;) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:25:14 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: feglist arguments I (33) N (38) F (25) P (33). And wildly inconsistent in my answers. - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:31:39 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:Enz >I have most of the Split Enz albums but haven't ever given them a thorough >record-by-record dissection. Tim Finn's solo work I like but definitely >rank below Neil's and Crowded House (Single Finn Edition). "Woodface", >however, is also one of my favorites, and both Finn Brothers records are >pretty great (above solo Neil in my estimation), so I'm not sure where I >land on this one. I'd start with the underrated Waiata (also known as Corrobboree). There's little of Neil before Ytur Volours, though Duzrythmua and Frenzy are worth while, but a CH fan would more likely prefer Waiata onwards. (PS-alologies for the typos - I'm typoing in near darkness and can't see the keyvoard) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:59:57 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Enz On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > > (PS-alologies for the typos - I'm typoing in near darkness and can't see > the keyvoard) > You sure are typoing! But it's cute. Also, I think "keyvoard" is an IKEA product. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:03:10 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: feglist arguments Okay, I told Lauren privately, but I guess I'll come out with my Jungian-archetype: ENFJ. Those who remember my vigorous defense of third parties will fail to be surprised that I'm an "Idealist." I would have thought law school had changed my type a little, but apparently it takes more than 3 years of brainwashing and 70k of debt to change a personality type. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM, James Dignan wrote: > I (33) N (38) F (25) P (33). And wildly inconsistent in my answers. > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:13:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: two bands recently mentioned That was weird...I wasn't paying attention to what iTunes was playing in shuffle, and this song came on, all abstract guitar feedback and skronking sounds, some vague hints of structure - and I thought to myself, oh, this must be one of those SYR Sonic Youth thingies that I rarely listen to. Nope: 'twas the Grateful Dead - specifically something someone labeled "Alligator/Underwater Feedback" from a show at the Carousel Ballroom on Valentine's Day 1968. This is nicely symmetrical - as when Sonic Youth started stretching out - like something like the long instrumental section in "The Sprawl" - I found myself thinking, hey, it's kinda like the Grateful Dead in a somewhat pissy mood... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:50:26 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned SONIC YOUTH. That's one of my biggest "gee-I-don't-get-the-appeal-I-must-be-an-idiot" bands ever. And considering the recently published book of short stories inspired by their songs (a lot like... fan fiction?), I wish more than ever that I understood what the fuss was about. It's kind of like wishing I liked broccoli. I know it's good for me, but I don't really want to eat it. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:13 PM, 2fs wrote: > That was weird...I wasn't paying attention to what iTunes was playing in > shuffle, and this song came on, all abstract guitar feedback and skronking > sounds, some vague hints of structure - and I thought to myself, oh, this > must be one of those SYR Sonic Youth thingies that I rarely listen to. > > Nope: 'twas the Grateful Dead - specifically something someone labeled > "Alligator/Underwater Feedback" from a show at the Carousel Ballroom on > Valentine's Day 1968. > > This is nicely symmetrical - as when Sonic Youth started stretching out - > like something like the long instrumental section in "The Sprawl" - I found > myself thinking, hey, it's kinda like the Grateful Dead in a somewhat pissy > mood... > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:07:45 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: two bands recently mentioned On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:50 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > SONIC YOUTH. > > That's one of my biggest "gee-I-don't-get-the-appeal-I-must-be-an-idiot" > bands ever. Loved, without really undertanding it, "Bad Moon Rising" when a friend loaned it to me in high school -- I listened to it many times. The entire rest of their career (to date) has passed me by. (Kind of weird when I consider that they were really big my first year of college -- I think offhand that might have been their height of exposure, IIRC they opened a tour for Neil Young and everybody in the music press was writing about it.) And sure, that's the kind of band I think someday I'll probably be inspired to listen to, and profit from it. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:58:53 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Enz >On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM, James Dignan ><grutness@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > > > >(PS-alologies for the typos - I'm typoing in near darkness and can't >see the keyvoard) > > >You sure are typoing! But it's cute. Also, I think "keyvoard" is an >IKEA product. Heh. I was lying in bed with my laptop while my sweetie was asleep next to me. Didn't want to turn a light on in case it woke her up. I can't touch-type :) James PS -I wrote: " I (33) N (38) F (25) P (33). And wildly inconsistent in my answers." That should read INFJ. Same as Nelson Mandela and Nicole Kidman. Who can fault that company? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #92 *******************************