From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #91 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 29 2009 Volume 17 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: feglist arguments [kevin studyvin ] Re: feglist arguments [lep ] Re: feglist arguments [Barbara Soutar ] Re: feglist arguments [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Ride [Jeremy Osner ] Re: more fodder [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: feglist arguments ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Subject: more fodder ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [Jeremy Osner ] Re: ooh, Sinatra, too,,, and Johnnhy Hartman [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Ride [Rex ] Re: more fodder [Rex ] Re: Ride [lep ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [Rex ] Re: Ride [Rex ] Re: Subject: more fodder [Steve Schiavo ] Re: more fodder [vivien lyon ] Re: Love, Hate, Prog [2fs ] Re: Subject: more fodder [kevin studyvin ] Re: feglist arguments [2fs ] Re: Subject: more fodder ["Laura Golias" ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [2fs ] Re: Ride [2fs ] Re: christopher gross: please explain! [Rex ] Re: Subject: more fodder [Rex ] Swims with Jellyfish [Steve Schiavo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:37:14 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: feglist arguments I (67) N (25) F (50) P (22). Suddenly I feel like the Unabomber. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:17 AM, lep wrote: > probably all the fegs should take the jung "not the myers-briggs" > typology test. no registration - it's short and free. > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > then report back on your type. > > here's information on the myers "not the jung typology" briggs test: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator > > the thing is that knowing people's "type" will help foster > understanding between list members who want fewer list arguments. > > AND, amazingly enough, for those who want more list arguments, it will > help too. just blame your opponent's inability to see your point on > their inability to see past the confines of their natural tendencies. > > everyone wins (especially me since, of all coincidences, one of my > current fixations is jung's theory of personality.) > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:47:29 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: feglist arguments kevin says: > I (67) N (25) F (50) P (22). you do know that INFP are the BEST TYPE EVER? > Suddenly I feel like the Unabomber. why for? xo p.s. i forget my exact score, but i remember my I and N are way skewed. the others are closer to centre (i suspect the F and P were much stronger when i was young; at least for me, time seems to beat those two down.) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:39:18 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: feglist arguments I come out as an INTP. This is the same result I got the last time I tried it. The Rational Architect. Not sure what it means for feglist arguments, but... it's fun to do. rationally yours, Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:50:11 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: feglist arguments - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 29. Mdrz 2009 03:17:25 -0400 regarding feglist arguments: > probably all the fegs should take the jung "not the myers-briggs" > typology test. no registration - it's short and free. > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > then report back on your type. Impossible. There are too many questions where the answer would be "it depends on the situation". And for half of the other questions I can never make up my mind whether my response is only how I self-describe or how I really am. Last but not least, I can be a moody bastard so the answers might vary from day to day. But I can't stand arguments, I'm always the one who tries to mediate, and I only become involved when I think some injustice is being committed abd I'm reasonably sure to have all the facts. For the list that means I stay out of those discussions and wait until they're over. My impulse is to mediate, but based on experience that seems like a Sisyphean task. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:01:24 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Ride > p.s. "Lovin' "? please. no. But, but listen to the recording -- he does not pronounce "ng" there. I just transcribe em like I hears em. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:53:33 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: more fodder I'll agree with most of Miles list. However I love 1990's era Stereolab and all of the Decemberists albums ( I don't own the new oneB yet). To be fair though IB really haven't given Split Enz much of a shot. I do like most of the Crowded House albums and Woodface (which has both Finns) is one of my Top 10 albums from 1991. Michael B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Goosens" To: "fegmaniax" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:41:34 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: more fodder On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > So............. > > as to music that we might not like........ > > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and that > you wish you liked? Yes, lots. B In all cases, I've really tried to like them, and think my life would have been easier and more pleasant if I did. B But I didn't. * Guided By Voices * Stereolab * Pavement * Elliott Smith * Fountains of Wayne * Sparks * Split Enz' Tim-written material aside from "Six Months on a Leaky Boat" (turns out that I love Neil but hate Tim) * The Decemberists There's lots more, which I'll probably only think of after clicking "send." B There's always hope that I'll change my mind: B the Fall was once on this list for me for a very long time, and as I've described, I woke up one day in '97 with one thought in my mind: "I'm ready to listen to the Fall." And I've been an obsessive fan ever since. Of Montreal was also on that list, but Jeff Norman putting that lonnnng song from HISSING FAUNA on a year-end comp totally turned me around and now I dig them. B But then again, turns out the band was no longer that tweer-than-twee outfit they were when I rejected them. > Van Morrison Nope, never glommed on to him either. Oooh, "classic" department: * Van Morrison * The Band * The Byrds * CSN minus the Y There's also a "respect and like the idea of, but don't actually enjoy much" category. B Joni Mitchell and Patti Smith come to mind for me there. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:30:25 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: feglist arguments lep wrote: > > you do know that INFP are the BEST TYPE EVER? Nah, they're a bunch of irrational wallflowers who burst into tears at the slightest provocation ;-) Stewart [ I (89) N (62) T (75) P (11) ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:22:11 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder Terrence Marks wrote: > > The Velvet Underground. How anybody can get all the way through White > Light/White Heat is beyond me. As a teen, that was my taking the dog for a walk album. > The Decembrists Forgot the 'e'. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:40:47 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:57 AM, lep wrote: > i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like > music that they don't like. Huh, it makes perfect sense to me. It's in a similar vein to, "There is a fairly universal consensus that James Joyce is Important Literature. But I don't get the appeal. I pick up Ulysses and it doesn't mean anything to me, and I find myself unable to put in the effort and time to understand it. So: I wish I liked James Joyce." For a real life example, I have long felt approximately the way Jill describes about Leonard Cohen. I voiced this concern to a Cohen-loving friend a month or two back; he made a playlist for me; I spent some time on listening to it and figuring it out, and now I like Cohen's music. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- J Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:48:17 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: ooh, Sinatra, too,,, and Johnnhy Hartman I'll defend Frank as well up to a point, as I'm not a huge fan of his swinging music and Vegas period albums.B I've got a half dozen of Frank Sinatra recently remastered albums on cdB that were originally recorded in the 1950's save for September Of My Years. I think he was the best male jazz singer in the 1950's, butB to my earsB Johnny Hartman was the better singer the following decade. ThatB perfect Johnny Hartman/John Coltrane albumB from 1963 is the only album by a male jazz singer that I'll listen to on a consistent basis, as I much prefer female jazz singers. As far as jazz singing duet albums go, I find the Ella Fitzgerald/Louis Armstrong albumsB very enjoyable to listen to. Michael B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: spine@whale-mail.com To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:38:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: ooh, Sinatra, too De-lurking to defend Frank. I can understand the comments below if you haven't heard his best work -- like so many artists who were famous for a long time, a lot of his later work is inconsistent. I'm not an expert on his entire career (I know maybe ten of his records), but I think the consensus is actually that the work from the 60s doesn't live up at all to his 50s work, in particular the records made with Nelson Riddle. In the 60s Sinatra finally got complete artistic freedom on Reprise, his own label, but a lot of the tension and focus of his 50s work disappeared. (I hear in his singing on a lot of the Reprise records a combination of too much fame, too much freedom, and his disdain for rock and roll.) But "In the Wee Small Hours" (1955) and "(Sings for) Only the Lonely" (1958), for example, are two of my all-time favorite records by anyone. These are "concept albums" in the sense of having a consistent mood and theme, and the singing and arrangements are dark, strange, and beautiful. For me, they fit with Big Star's "Sister Lovers," Elliott Smith's "Either/Or," and "I Often Dream of Trains" as great, moody late-night records, and his singing and the quality of the recordings have an emotional depth I can't find anywhere else. Certainly anyone who knows Sinatra only from "New York, New York" or "That's Life" has no idea of the subtlety he was capable of. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:53:49 -0700 From: kevin studyvin > > My dad always said that Sinatra took a song and then sang the lyrics as if > > they had no meaning. This is pretty funny because Sinatra fans all seem to > > love him because of his lyrical interpretation. I heard a recording of Frank doing "The Road To Mandalay" in a cafe sometime recently and was amazed at how completely, totally he missed the point of the lyric. [. . .] People still talk about his recordings from the sixties like they're diamonds but you can stack them up to the stuff Bacharach and David were doing with Dionne Warwick at the same time and those sides just make Sinatra sound tired...

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Then it turned out to be "papers", which is probably for the best. But I still think that someone else-- not me for sure, but maybe Nick Cave or someone-- could make effective use of my misheard variant. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:37:24 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 AM, wrote: > To be fair though IB really haven't given Split Enz much of a shot. I do > like > most of the Crowded House albums and Woodface (which has both Finns) is one > of > my Top 10 albums from 1991. I have most of the Split Enz albums but haven't ever given them a thorough record-by-record dissection. Tim Finn's solo work I like but definitely rank below Neil's and Crowded House (Single Finn Edition). "Woodface", however, is also one of my favorites, and both Finn Brothers records are pretty great (above solo Neil in my estimation), so I'm not sure where I land on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:45:18 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Ride Rex says: > Plus, "but they never say please" was obviously true, if disturbingly glib. > Then it turned out to be "papers", which is probably for the best. you did update the "but they never say please" as well? it's one** of my favourite lines in an RH song. i notice that line nearly every time i hear the song; after 15+ years; it still reamuses me. and if you've haven't - clear your schedule 'til have have (figuring it out is like 1/50th of the fun.) xo ** out of mere hundreds... - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:50:10 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:57 PM, lep wrote: > Jill says: > > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and > that > > you wish you liked? > > this is less directed at jill's question, and more at the many > answers. i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like > music that they don't like. other than reasons of practicality i > mean. like i've had boyfriends who i'm sure wished wished they liked > RH, if only to have made their lives easier. although if you asked > them, they'd probably say that what they actually wished was that i > didn't like him. > I think you're halfway there. It's a pain in the ass to be the odd one out in a group, circe of friends or subculture (let's say this list) where there are many shared touchstones and passions, but you just can't seem to enjoy something that's very widely loved (let's say, in my case, King Crimson). Partly, as with your boyfriends, it makes things awkward at times (and in that respect, you might wish the group's tastes to change rather than yours), but it's also cause for reflection and self-analysis, if you're into that: what makes me different from these people with whom I otherwise have so much in common? Is it me, is it the, or is it Adrian Belew? Or something else entirely? So it's a project. I should say that my participation on this list has directly set me on quite a few quests of rabid fandom, touching off my initial explorations of artists I've now considered essential for many, many years. So sometimes it works. I dunno; I find that musical exploration usually enrich me, even if the result is a bust. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:31:07 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Ride On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM, lep wrote: > Rex says: > > Plus, "but they never say please" was obviously true, if disturbingly > glib. > > Then it turned out to be "papers", which is probably for the best. > > you did update the "but they never say please" as well? > Yep. It's one of those things where once you mishear one word, it colors your hearing of quite a few subsequent ones to suit you assumed meaning. This is a very common occurrence with me, of which I can naturally think of exactly zero other examples right now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:50:47 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Terrence Marks wrote: > I don't dislike The Sunshine Fix; I just fail to like them and really > wish I didn't. That would seem to bode ill for stuff like The Apples in Stereo and Sun PK . - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:01:52 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: more fodder I just heard a really fantastic Split Enz song, which I can't remember the name of right now. Shucks. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Rex wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 AM, wrote: > > > To be fair though IB really haven't given Split Enz much of a shot. I do > > like > > most of the Crowded House albums and Woodface (which has both Finns) is > one > > of > > my Top 10 albums from 1991. > > > I have most of the Split Enz albums but haven't ever given them a thorough > record-by-record dissection. Tim Finn's solo work I like but definitely > rank below Neil's and Crowded House (Single Finn Edition). "Woodface", > however, is also one of my favorites, and both Finn Brothers records are > pretty great (above solo Neil in my estimation), so I'm not sure where I > land on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:02:07 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Love, Hate, Prog On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Terrence Marks wrote: > > Glory is awesome. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is horribly overrated > and the only real concession to plot is Peter Gabriel shouting "I'm > Rael" about once per album-side. What? How can you say that? The plot of "The Lamb" is crystal clear! There's this guy Rael, and then he goes to this, uh, colony, where there are Slippermen, and...uh, there's these weird snake-like women, and a doctor, and he's castrated, and there's a river, and there's his brother John who turns out to be a Slipperman, and uh...something about his penis again. See? (Probably if I reread the lyrics and notes I could do a bit better...and I won't defend the coherence of the plot...but there is just the *slightest* irony of such an idea coming from the Robyn Hitchcock list - since, even though most of our man's songs do cohere and relate, however metaphorically, to something or other, others do not and are pretty much flights of fancy. I think "Lamb" is Gabriel's attempt to say something about, you know, Individuality and Conformity and Brotherhood and Responsibility and all that - - in yr usual early '70s post-psychedelic, overliterary British upper-middle-class way. (I begin to suspect there may have been some chemicals involved also...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:09:16 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Terrence Marks wrote: > > > > The Velvet Underground. How anybody can get all the way through White > > Light/White Heat is beyond me. > > As a teen, that was my taking the dog for a walk album. There've been far too many mornings when "Sister Ray" was the only thing that could motivate me to even breathe, let alone go to work (that or "The Last Dance" from Neil's Time Fades Away), for me to regard that particular album as anything but essential. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:15:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: feglist arguments On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:17 AM, lep wrote: > probably all the fegs should take the jung "not the myers-briggs" > typology test. no registration - it's short and free. > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > then report back on your type. > > the thing is that knowing people's "type" will help foster > understanding between list members who want fewer list arguments. Nah - we'll just argue over the validity of the Jung Typology Test... Anyway, mine came out INFJ (22/62/38/33). The one question I had the most trouble with was "You are consistent in your habits" - first I answered "yes," then "no," then "yes" again... I kind of agree w/Sebastian though: a lot of my answers would be circumstantial, or I can see either side. What I did in taking the test, though, was either go with my first instinct w/o thinking about it too much, or reverse the question: if I can say "obviously" or "no way" to the reverse, whereas the real question seems somehow ambiguous, that reverse answer helps clarify which side I'm closer to. I think a lot of us here are fairly contradictory: we're sociable in some settings, but we're perhaps less likely to the person in the center of a laughing circle at a party; we think things through but try to recognize the emotional effects; etc. "Contradictory" isn't the right word - I think the problem w/tests that reduce these things to "yes/no" is precisely that balanced people see the worth of both sides of the question, at least in some circumstances. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:19:49 -0400 From: "Laura Golias" Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder The Grateful Dead. I really did try to get into them. I do like a few of their songs, but I never understood all the hype surrounding them. Hype really turns me off. I really wanted to like "Raising Sand" (Plant/Krause), but I was dissapointed with it and never quite got over it. It could have been so much better. I really did want to like it, because I adore Robert Plant and really like Alison Krauss. Paul McCartney solo. I just have never cared for him, although I've always like the Beatles. John Lennon was always my favorite Beatle and his solo stuff was SO much better than anything Paul ever did solo. I do have to admit, that although I never really cared for Wings as a band, I still like several of their songs. But as far as going out and buying any Wings CDs, it just ain't gonna happen. Back to lurk mode, Laura Golias ldgolias1@verizon.net >> as to music that we might not like........ >> Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and >> that you wish you liked? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:23:05 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Rex wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:57 PM, lep wrote: > > > Jill says: > > > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and > > that > > > you wish you liked? > > > > this is less directed at jill's question, and more at the many > > answers. i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like > > music that they don't like. > > I think you're halfway there. It's a pain in the ass to be the odd one out > in a group, circe of friends or subculture (let's say this list) where > there > are many shared touchstones and passions, but you just can't seem to enjoy > something that's very widely loved I think this and Jeremy's answer both point at something similar: if all these other folks, whose tastes and opinions you otherwise respect, like such-and-such a band, what is it about *you* that you don't like them? In other words, the consensus of a group of people whose taste you respect means you can't dismiss the band out of hand. At some point, either you just give up, probably. For example: for my own sanity I've decided I'm just not going to intentionally explore certain genres, just because I don't have time even to listen to the music I already like, and if the genre as a whole isn't compelling, just occasional flickers within it, it seems fruitless to explore further if you don't have enough time anyway. Or: you've come to conclude, after many attempts to like or undersatnd a genre, that the very things that *define* the genre are what you don't like (this is my case with metal, at least metal after say 1980). And the reason I made so many efforts to verify whether I really disliked metal is simply that I know a number of thoughtful, interesting people who like it - which made it impossible for me to dismiss the genre as I otherwise would have done (teenage boyland, basically). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:29:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ride On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > p.s. "Lovin' "? please. no. > > But, but listen to the recording -- he does not pronounce "ng" there. > I just transcribe em like I hears em. I think there's a whole different affect to a written dropped-g than to a merely pronounced one. The second might be simply an organic aspect of one's dialect, or a circumstantial variant having to do w/the following word, etc. The first one, though, seems to insist on a certain folksiness, casualness, etc., which always seems very forced to me. So I would tend to use the standard spelling with few exceptions (such as trying to render the actual sound of dialect, say). Worse yet is leaving off not only the "g" but the apostrophe as well, as if it's some new precious word or yr some sorta poet-like person artfully altering the orthographic space to your own will. Might as well go all the way and lower-case your first-person subjective pronoun like a pretentious teen poet then... Ahem. "does the wind nothear my cry my pain in the tears of my i o longlostlove of brokenheart misery!! i am a crunched-on twig on a wet sidewalk full of worms alas." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:30:48 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: christopher gross: please explain! On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:23 AM, 2fs wrote: > > At some point, either you just give up, probably. For example: for my own > sanity I've decided I'm just not going to intentionally explore certain > genres, just because I don't have time even to listen to the music I already > like, and if the genre as a whole isn't compelling, just occasional flickers > within it, it seems fruitless to explore further if you don't have enough > time anyway. Or: you've come to conclude, after many attempts to like or > undersatnd a genre, that the very things that *define* the genre are what > you don't like (this is my case with metal, at least metal after say 1980). > > And the reason I made so many efforts to verify whether I really disliked > metal is simply that I know a number of thoughtful, interesting people who > like it - which made it impossible for me to dismiss the genre as I > otherwise would have done (teenage boyland, basically) > That pretty much nails it down, not unlike that ultra-unbelievable love. I may continue with the Perspex references for a while. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:32:54 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Subject: more fodder On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Stewart C. Russell >wrote: > > > Terrence Marks wrote: > > > > > > The Velvet Underground. How anybody can get all the way through White > > > Light/White Heat is beyond me. > > > > As a teen, that was my taking the dog for a walk album. > > > > There've been far too many mornings when "Sister Ray" was the only thing > that could motivate me to even breathe, let alone go to work (that or "The > Last Dance" from Neil's Time Fades Away), for me to regard that particular > album as anything but essential. "Last Dance" > "Sister Ray". But both essential. And only one of the two commercially available... still! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:39:38 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Swims with Jellyfish and Brian, needless to say. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #91 *******************************