From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #90 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 29 2009 Volume 17 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dylan and the like [Eleanore Adams ] Eb-Spank ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: Eb-Spank [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Dandelions, and unable to like [James Dignan ] Re: ooh, Sinatra, too [] Re: Dylan and the like ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Dandelions, and unable to like [Tom Clark ] Re: Eb-Spank [Tom Clark ] Re: Dylan and the like [2fs ] Re: Eb-Spank [2fs ] Re: Dandelions, and unable to like [2fs ] listen to new Ron Nasty song ! scoll down . . [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Love, Hate, Prog [Terrence Marks ] Re: Eb-Spank [Rex ] Subject: more fodder [Terrence Marks ] un REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Ride [lep ] Re: Ride [kevin studyvin ] christopher gross: please explain! [lep ] feglist arguments [lep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:49:33 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Dylan and the like That's awesome! I think i may agree with JLydon ea On Mar 28, 2009, at 11:24 AM, lep wrote: > the signature on my hotmail account: > > "i hate all music. except roadrunner by the modern lovers." -- > john lydon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:38:44 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Eb-Spank speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. but surely there must be some counter-examples, mustn't there? you wanna know why? it's 'cause you're not listening to it loud enough. crank that fucker up, and feel the full force of paul motherfuckin' fox's majesty! believe it, mang. i was in the same boat myself, once (excepting that i still liked it pretty well, just didn't love it; and that "Earthly Paradise" is my fave song on the record). but then, one time, i cranked that fucker up; and my life was altered. ah, but don't forget the rock-iest of them all: *Where Are The Prawns?*! i know it was "only" a fan-club release and all. but it's always pained me a little bit that the fegs don't seem to give this one its due. for me, it's easy: my morning jacket. (although i'm sure rex is correct in saying that i won't be alone in my despisal.) the conclusion to a conversation i had recently was as follows: him: how can you like wilco, but not like my morning jacket? me: i don't like wilco...i fucking LOVE wilco. maybe so; but i'll tell ya: the felice brothers remind me a whole helluva lot of the band. and how fucking spoilt am i, that i'm all pissed-and-bothered that their new record hasn't leaked yet, despite its being less than a month's time from officially dropping? on another topic, this week i've watched all 22 episodes of *Sarah Silverman*. had previously been downloading and watching them the day after air; but kind of lost the scent with the writers'-strike-hiatus; and so a good half of them were new to me. anyway, it's better to watch them all at once like that. my assessment: absolute comic fucking genius. for those who've not seen it, think some kind of an unholy marriage of *Curb Your Enthusiasm*, *Wonder Shwozen*, *Flying Circus*, and *South Park*. i repeat: absolute comic fucking genius. and not only the writing and the acting, but also the directing and editing. the reaction shots, for example, just crack me up no end. a very few random thoughts to follow. please to agree, disagree, or add your own. god dammit all, but i love this show! SPOILER ALERT coolest moment: in the mongolian rape-and-pillage video, steve's peasant-woman character wielding the scythe like a baseball bat to "hit" the oncoming laser, and deflect it back at the mongolian who'd fired it at him. funniest moment: sarah calling doug "gaylord" at the very end of an episode. not sure *why* it's so funny, except that it was so unexpected...and i've always loved the word "gaylord". coolest character(s): the mustangs! i've just added them to the "minor characters" roll at . most shocking moment: sarah blowing jay's turtle to smithereens. most how-fucking-stoned-out-of-their-minds-are-these-writers? moment: an insanely popular cookie-making game-show hosted by a fucking *drag queen* and a puppet is pretty wack. but the prize has to go to dick van patten getting his face melted off *Raiders-O'-The-Lost-Ark*-style in attempting to deliver god's/sarah's love-child; which child turns out to be a clay-mation demon-bird, whom sarah wants to name "seth". coolest random interjection: somebody shouting out "jesus wept!" during the assassination attempt in the dot-nose episode (and, big-time shout-out to "johnny for-reals", "inventor" of the word "boo-yah"). apart from, obviously, *Lawrence Of Arabia*, don't know that i've heard the term used in this manner elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:49:30 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Eb-Spank > speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to > somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. > Is the bonus disc different from the bonus tracks that you can download from YepRoc? If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Joe Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:19:50 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Dandelions, and unable to like >Djini called for: > > a mass dandelion break For those of us in the slowly cooling part of the planet, scrunching through the fallen leaves about now would work just as well. Bands that I've tried to like, I want to like, I should like, but I don't get: - - Neutral Milk Hotel (probably sacrilege to say so on this list, but still) - - Lots of Soul music. Names like Al Green and Isaac Hayes come to mind. (some Soul I like - Smokey Robinson, yes, f'rinstance). Springsteen I have conflicting feelings about. I like a lot of his songs - some of them can move me almost to tears ("I'm on fire", for instance, or "The fuse", especially the way it was arranged in the soundtrack of "25th Hour"). I admire his work ethic, if you like (live he is apparently astonishing). But there's something I just can't connect with. Not sure why or what - - perhaps I just can't connect with the all-too American blue-collarness of his music, in the same way as I don't really get Tennessee Williams (whose the non-musical creative writer that I'd most compare him to). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:22:19 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Eb-Spank After I'm dead, Eddie will be the guy with all the most awesomest opinions. > > > speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to > somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. > > > succession, > but then becomes financially independent and has (too much) time to > tinker > on a new project for years, that's rarely if ever a good thing, > regardless > of medium.> > > but surely there must be some counter-examples, mustn't there? > > > wonderful > "Oceanside".> > > you wanna know why? it's 'cause you're not listening to it loud > enough. > crank that fucker up, and feel the full force of paul motherfuckin' > fox's > majesty! believe it, mang. i was in the same boat myself, once > (excepting > that i still liked it pretty well, just didn't love it; and that > "Earthly > Paradise" is my fave song on the record). but then, one time, i > cranked > that fucker up; and my life was altered. > > > Of > Light, A Can Of Bees, Black Snake Diamond Role & Ole! Tarantula (all > the > rock-iest stuff in the bag, apparently).> > > ah, but don't forget the rock-iest of them all: *Where Are The > Prawns?*! i > know it was "only" a fan-club release and all. but it's always pained > me a > little bit that the fegs don't seem to give this one its due. > > > love. Hmm. I will work on that.> > > for me, it's easy: my morning jacket. (although i'm sure rex is > correct in > saying that i won't be alone in my despisal.) the conclusion to a > conversation i had recently was as follows: > > him: how can you like wilco, but not like my morning jacket? > me: i don't like wilco...i fucking LOVE wilco. > > > terms > of instrumental, vocal, and songwriting roles, has never really been > duplicated, or even approximated by anyone I can think of.> > > maybe so; but i'll tell ya: the felice brothers remind me a whole > helluva > lot of the band. and how fucking spoilt am i, that i'm all > pissed-and-bothered that their new record hasn't leaked yet, despite > its > being less than a month's time from officially dropping? > > > > on another topic, this week i've watched all 22 episodes of *Sarah > Silverman*. had previously been downloading and watching them the day > after air; but kind of lost the scent with the writers'-strike-hiatus; > and > so a good half of them were new to me. anyway, it's better to watch > them > all at once like that. > > my assessment: absolute comic fucking genius. for those who've not > seen > it, think some kind of an unholy marriage of *Curb Your Enthusiasm*, > *Wonder Shwozen*, *Flying Circus*, and *South Park*. i repeat: > absolute > comic fucking genius. > > and not only the writing and the acting, but also the directing and > editing. the reaction shots, for example, just crack me up no end. > > a very few random thoughts to follow. please to agree, disagree, or > add > your own. god dammit all, but i love this show! > > > SPOILER ALERT > > > coolest moment: in the mongolian rape-and-pillage video, steve's > peasant-woman character wielding the scythe like a baseball bat to > "hit" > the oncoming laser, and deflect it back at the mongolian who'd fired it > at > him. > > > funniest moment: sarah calling doug "gaylord" at the very end of an > episode. not sure *why* it's so funny, except that it was so > unexpected...and i've always loved the word "gaylord". > > > coolest character(s): the mustangs! i've just added them to the "minor > characters" roll at > s>. > > > most shocking moment: sarah blowing jay's turtle to smithereens. > > > most how-fucking-stoned-out-of-their-minds-are-these-writers? moment: > an > insanely popular cookie-making game-show hosted by a fucking *drag > queen* > and a puppet is pretty wack. but the prize has to go to dick van > patten > getting his face melted off *Raiders-O'-The-Lost-Ark*-style in > attempting > to deliver god's/sarah's love-child; which child turns out to be a > clay-mation demon-bird, whom sarah wants to name "seth". > > > coolest random interjection: somebody shouting out "jesus wept!" during > the > assassination attempt in the dot-nose episode (and, big-time shout-out > to > "johnny for-reals", "inventor" of the word "boo-yah"). apart from, > obviously, *Lawrence Of Arabia*, don't know that i've heard the term > used > in this manner elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:38:03 -0700 From: Subject: Re: ooh, Sinatra, too De-lurking to defend Frank. I can understand the comments below if you haven't heard his best work -- like so many artists who were famous for a long time, a lot of his later work is inconsistent. I'm not an expert on his entire career (I know maybe ten of his records), but I think the consensus is actually that the work from the 60s doesn't live up at all to his 50s work, in particular the records made with Nelson Riddle. In the 60s Sinatra finally got complete artistic freedom on Reprise, his own label, but a lot of the tension and focus of his 50s work disappeared. (I hear in his singing on a lot of the Reprise records a combination of too much fame, too much freedom, and his disdain for rock and roll.) But "In the Wee Small Hours" (1955) and "(Sings for) Only the Lonely" (1958), for example, are two of my all-time favorite records by anyone. These are "concept albums" in the sense of having a consistent mood and theme, and the singing and arrangements are dark, strange, and beautiful. For me, they fit with Big Star's "Sister Lovers," Elliott Smith's "Either/Or," and "I Often Dream of Trains" as great, moody late-night records, and his singing and the quality of the recordings have an emotional depth I can't find anywhere else. Certainly anyone who knows Sinatra only from "New York, New York" or "That's Life" has no idea of the subtlety he was capable of. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:53:49 -0700 From: kevin studyvin > > My dad always said that Sinatra took a song and then sang the lyrics as if > > they had no meaning. This is pretty funny because Sinatra fans all seem to > > love him because of his lyrical interpretation. I heard a recording of Frank doing "The Road To Mandalay" in a cafe sometime recently and was amazed at how completely, totally he missed the point of the lyric. [. . .] People still talk about his recordings from the sixties like they're diamonds but you can stack them up to the stuff Bacharach and David were doing with Dionne Warwick at the same time and those sides just make Sinatra sound tired...

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I gave my copy of '...aeroplane over the sea' to Woj with the inscription "This Sucks". > > Springsteen I have conflicting feelings about. I like a lot of his > songs - some of them can move me almost to tears ("I'm on fire", for > instance, or "The fuse", especially the way it was arranged in the > soundtrack of "25th Hour"). I admire his work ethic, if you like > (live he is apparently astonishing). I bought "Born To Run" when it came out and it's been the only one of his albums I've ever needed. I guess because of that I've always romanticized him as this sincere urban poet or something, but after that SuperBowl performance, geez...he might as well be Elton John at this point. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:48:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Eb-Spank On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: >> speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to >> somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. >> > > Is the bonus disc different from the bonus tracks that you can > download from YepRoc? I believe so. But remember, to get them from YepRoc you actually have to buy something. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Dylan and the like On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > > > I've never seen "someone" used as a spelling for "Stewart" before... > > And proud. Can't you see the absurdity of a band you're not allowed not > to like? Of course. I wasn't dissing your opinion (even though, as I'm sure you know, it's not mine). I was just noting that when someone thinks of a Beatle-hater on this list, it's you. Of course you can wave that flag however you like, no matter how few folks salute. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:29:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Eb-Spank On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to >>> somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. >>> >>> >> Is the bonus disc different from the bonus tracks that you can >> download from YepRoc? >> > > I believe so. But remember, to get them from YepRoc you actually have to > buy something. If there is a difference, it's in the version of the tracks - the tracks themselves are the same. (I bought the physical version cuz I'm a 20th century fox - but I just checked "My Stash" at Yep Roc (for some reason, I find the illustration accompanying that part of the site - with its goofy-ass pun on "'stache" as in "moustache" and, with the guy peering smilingly from behind his mostly closed door, implicitly alluding to another common meaning of "stash" - little puffs of smoke would have been too obvious maybe - well, i just think it's funny...where was I? oh yeah), and the same titles are listed there. (Hey - I'd be amused if Tom Clark's middle initial were "H"...so, uh, never mind.) So, as far as I know, there are just the two bonus tracks, "Nothing Makes Me Cry" and "I Just Wanna Be Loved" (the version of "Up to Our Nex" isn't a bonus track, since it's the same on on the album). Speaking of, anyone else think that, regardless of the new one's musical merits, Robyn seems a bit of a letdown in the song-title department here? I mean, "I Just Wanna Be Loved"? C'mon, man - at least "I Just Wanna Be Loved by the Queen of Crabs" or something. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:31:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Dandelions, and unable to like On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:19 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > Bands that I've tried to like, I want to like, I should like, but I don't >> get: >> >> - Neutral Milk Hotel (probably sacrilege to say so on this list, but >> still) >> > > Ditto. I gave my copy of '...aeroplane over the sea' to Woj with the > inscription "This Sucks". I don't think NMH sucks...but it's also rather weird to me how iconic that album has become. I mean, when it came out, yeah, it got good reviews...but somehow, in the intervening years, it's come to be like indie rock's Sgt. Pepper or something. Don't know how that happened. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:16:29 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: listen to new Ron Nasty song ! scoll down . . http://www.innesbookofrecords.com/ my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:39:29 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Love, Hate, Prog I left the list for a couple years because the political bickering just wouldn't stop. Is there anyone here who doesn't have a love/hate relationship with the list? Just wondering. Terrence PS. I think the only difference between a rock opera and a concept album is that a rock opera's liner notes pretend the album tells a story. I love Olias of Sunhillow - I've got a record player that's about 10% too fast, sending Jon Anderson into super-elf mode. I think S.F. Sorrow is great, and the drum break in Baron Saturday is worth the price of admission. Nirvana's Simon Simopath is very good in places, but makes no sense whatsoever. Gentle Giant's The Power & The Glory is awesome. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is horribly overrated and the only real concession to plot is Peter Gabriel shouting "I'm Rael" about once per album-side. PPS. I find the Decembrists...not to my liking. I'm going to assume that there's something very appealing about them that I just don't get. I'm glad they're successful and that people enjoy their albums. I'm not going to try to talk people out of enjoying their music, at least as long as they don't try to talk me out of liking freakbeat. PPPS. As far as I'm concerned, Los Shakers' Secret Conference at Toto's Bar is a rock opera, and a damn fine one. The untranslated liner notes about magical space lasers will prove me right, one day. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:42:55 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Eb-Spank On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:29 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > > > speaking of which, could somebody please upload the bonus disc to > >>> somewhere? i've not yet seen it floating 'round. > >>> > >>> > >> Is the bonus disc different from the bonus tracks that you can > >> download from YepRoc? > >> > > > > I believe so. But remember, to get them from YepRoc you actually have to > > buy something. > > > If there is a difference, it's in the version of the tracks - the tracks > themselves are the same. (I bought the physical version cuz I'm a 20th > century fox - but I just checked "My Stash" at Yep Roc (for some reason, I > find the illustration accompanying that part of the site - with its > goofy-ass pun on "'stache" as in "moustache" and, with the guy peering > smilingly from behind his mostly closed door, implicitly alluding to > another > common meaning of "stash" - little puffs of smoke would have been too > obvious maybe - well, i just think it's funny...where was I? oh yeah), He reminds me of the Pringles dude. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:20:00 -0700 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Subject: more fodder I go and post something negative, then I find five more digests and things seem to have calmed down. > as to music that we might not like........ > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and > that you wish you liked? Richard Thompson. Babbacombe Lee is my favorite Fairport Convention album. I've got a majority of his albums, and I'd like them Van Morrison Led Zeppelin Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band. I prefer the Tragic Band; I've got a bootleg of a live show from 1974 with them, and the Captain has never been quite so awesome. Jazz. I tried, honest. Back when I was in college I downloaded about ten hours worth of Charlie Parker. Two hours in, I realized I hadn't enjoyed a single note of it. The Velvet Underground. How anybody can get all the way through White Light/White Heat is beyond me. And on any given day, I have an equal chance of loving Bob Dylan's music, thinking he's a great songwriter as long as someone else performs his songs, and being unable to enjoy his music because it's sneering, contemptuous, and probably written to humiliate somebody he knew. Tim Buckley. I first heard Danang, an outtake that became part of Love from Room 109 at the Islander. I loved it and really wanted to enjoy anything else he wrote. The Decembrists The White Album Jack Bruce, post-Cream I don't dislike The Sunshine Fix; I just fail to like them and really wish I didn't. Screaming Trees. Mystery Lane's Purple Outside is one of my favorite albums, too, and it's basically their guitarist's solo album. Sunny Day Real Estate. I loved Jeremy Enigk's Return of the Frog Queen, and tried to get into them. Julian Cope, post-My Nation Underground. I like most of Twenty Mothers, and parts of Peggy Suicide, but a vast majority of his catalog leaves me empty. I read his books,and I understand his current music better. I wish I liked it. And there's got to be a few times when somebody posted fifteen albums, I got them all, and found maybe one song worth listening to twice. Most of them, I don't even remember any more. But I'm ok with not liking Mannfred Mann, post-Experience Hendrix, and The Byrds. Terrence Marks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:25:49 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: un REAP http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090328/ten-stereophonics-on-spandau-reunion-ea461 6c.html my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:27:15 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Ride Jeremy says: > "But if you don't love yourself/ What's the use of someone else/ > Lovin' you?" Do you think of these lines as oratorical or diagnostic? i've always taken it as diagnostic. and when you're done with that, you should forgive yourself, and maybe you'll forgive me. xo p.s. "Lovin' "? please. no. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:56:41 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Ride On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM, lep wrote: > Jeremy says: > > "But if you don't love yourself/ What's the use of someone else/ > > Lovin' you?" Do you think of these lines as oratorical or diagnostic? > > i've always taken it as diagnostic. > > and when you're done with that, you should forgive yourself, and maybe > you'll forgive me. > > xo > > p.s. "Lovin' "? please. no. > McLovin was much funnier anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:57:35 -0400 From: lep Subject: christopher gross: please explain! Jill says: > Is there any music that you don't like, that you've tried to like, and that > you wish you liked? this is less directed at jill's question, and more at the many answers. i'm kind of confused as to why someone would wish to like music that they don't like. other than reasons of practicality i mean. like i've had boyfriends who i'm sure wished wished they liked RH, if only to have made their lives easier. although if you asked them, they'd probably say that what they actually wished was that i didn't like him. i think it was miles who mentioned respecting certain bands, but not liking them. there's quite a number of bands and musicians that i say that of. bruce springstein would be the first example in that category that comes to mind, although now i'm kind of wondering whether it's possible truly respect someone whose name i can't spell. to add to jill's queston, how about bands that people are surprised to find you like, or just would probably have no clue people seem surprised to find out that i love steely dan. although, memory being how it is (or is not), it's quite possible that i just imagine that they're surprised. and i was positive that ty would be surprised to find out that i loved the carpenters. but i don't think he was all that surprised since he had to ask me who they were. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:17:25 -0400 From: lep Subject: feglist arguments probably all the fegs should take the jung "not the myers-briggs" typology test. no registration - it's short and free. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp then report back on your type. here's information on the myers "not the jung typology" briggs test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator the thing is that knowing people's "type" will help foster understanding between list members who want fewer list arguments. AND, amazingly enough, for those who want more list arguments, it will help too. just blame your opponent's inability to see your point on their inability to see past the confines of their natural tendencies. everyone wins (especially me since, of all coincidences, one of my current fixations is jung's theory of personality.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #90 *******************************