From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #86 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 27 2009 Volume 17 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fear of Music [Michael Sweeney ] RE: Fear of Music ["Brian Huddell" ] BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! [2fs ] Re: Viv, honest letters, etc. [vivien lyon ] RE: BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! ["Brian Huddell" ] Wild Things [Steve Schiavo ] Re: BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! [kevin studyvin ] Re: Decemberists new CD [kevin studyvin ] Re: Quail, Quail [Great Quail ] Re: Decemberists new CD [2fs ] Re: "In this perverted episode" [2fs ] Speaking of rock that Means Something [Jeremy Osner ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #85 ["Mark Gloster" ] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: An honest letter [Gene Hopstetter ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #85 [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Decemberists new CD [kevin studyvin ] Re: Decemberists new CD [Rex ] Re: Decemberists new CD [Miles Goosens ] well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) [Jill Brand <] Re: well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) [HwyCDRre] Re: well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) [kevin st] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:54:22 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Fear of Music Great Quail wrote: >I really honestly love Jesus Christ Superstar. I know it all by heart. Every word. > >I know for a fact I am not the only one on the List who can make this claim, too. ...Put me down for a strong "aye," "aye," and "aye" on those points, too... Michael "My fave song from it is probably 'Gethsemane'..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:04:56 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Fear of Music > Michael "Let's see what I can recall...Mi, mi, mi, mi - ahem: 'And I > saw you too / He looked just like you!'" Sweeney I DON'T KNOW HIM!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:32:59 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Brian Huddell wrote: > > Michael "Let's see what I can recall...Mi, mi, mi, mi - ahem: 'And I > > saw you too / He looked just like you!'" Sweeney > > I DON'T KNOW HIM!! For me, the highlight of the original recording is the way Murray Head sings hell out of the role of Judas - in particular, the reprise of "I Don't Know How to Love Him" is pretty chilling. And of course, Murray Head is the older brother of Anthony Head. Who played... Rupert Giles, on Buffy! See? All things lead back to... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:34:26 -0700 From: vivien lyon Subject: Re: Viv, honest letters, etc. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Great Quail wrote: > > I'd love to say it's good to have you back, Viv, but I see you've also > defriended me on Facebook, so I'll just end the post here. > I think you'll find I haven't done that, and I'm tempted to think you know that I didn't, and posted this falsehood in an attempt to make me look petty. I hope I'm wrong about that. As regards the rest of this response, I will just say that your ad hominem attacks aren't going to win you any friends, and they're certainly not influencing people. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:50:42 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! > For me, the highlight of the original recording is the way Murray Head > sings hell out of the role of Judas - in particular, the reprise of "I Don't > Know How to Love Him" is pretty chilling. "when I'm cold and dead, will he let me be? Does he love, does he love me too? will he care for me, yAArgghh!" Incredible performance, with music at least as spooky as anything by Alice Cooper. > And of course, Murray Head is the older brother of Anthony Head. > > Who played... The pervy libertine boss on the fab new Britcom "Free Agents". +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:16:14 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Wild Things - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:41:55 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: BWAH-HA-HA-HA THREADMERGE! > For me, the highlight of the original recording is the way Murray Head > sings > hell out of the role of Judas - in particular, the reprise of "I Don't Know > How to Love Him" is pretty chilling. > > And of course, Murray Head is the older brother of Anthony Head. > > Who played... > > Rupert Giles, on Buffy! > > See? All things lead back to... > The first time I looked at MI5 I was delighted to see Giles, and then ten minutes into the ep he'd hanged himself in the men's room after being busted as a double agent or something. Pissed me off and it was a long time before I watched it again - but it's pretty good, considering. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:53:36 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > The first several times I heard the term "concept album" as a lad, it >> was always as part of a statement to the effect that "Pink Floyd >> invented the concept album with their seminal Dark Side of the Moon". > > I'd'a thought it was more like the Moody Blues with Days Of Future Passed in '67, if not the Beach Boys with Pet Sounds in '66. And I'm sure I'm forgetting other stuff that predates the Floyds...oh yeah, shouldn't some of the Tullheads be chiming in with Aqualung? > >> So I think of Dark Side and The Wall and Animals (briefly my favorite >> Floyd record, to my lasting embarrassment) > > Nothing wrong with Animals - I certainly prefer it to any of the subsequent Floyd output. And it gave rise to a great little stoner moment for Dr. Johnny Fever on WKRP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:48:01 -0400 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: Quail, Quail I will respond to this, by Jill: > The rest of your diatribe contained as much if not more venomous sarcasm. But I *am* an aging punk, a failed garage band rocker; and I think I was fairly transparent in my comments about prog geeks getting their revenge through D&D. I am very sorry that you seemed to have taken this personally...you were not even in my mind when I wrote it! > What? Because I don't like these last two Decemberists albums, I am, all > of a sudden, an aging rocker who couldn't date a football player (I went > to hippy high school in the stone age; we didn't have a football team)? > Talk about juvenile argumentation. Go back to your first point, the one > about people simply having different tastes in music. Jill, Jill: I am truly sorry of I wrote in a way that obscured my point. I was simply taking the piss out of the people who tend to mock rock operas and such as something of an automatic reflex. I mean -- you really think I dated the prom queen? Liking, or not liking, the Decemberists new album is purely a matter of taste -- of course it is. I mean, liking, or not liking rock operas, is also a matter of taste. > I don't enjoy not liking the Decemberists' new stuff. I fucking flew out > to Portland to see Colin and Robyn perform on the same stage. Don't imply > that people who don't like HOL or The Wall are somehow less musically > sophisticated than those who like 17 minute songs. You had a lot more > credibility before that bitchy whine. I...I was kidding! I mean, I think I make a lot of fun about the very groups I so cherish for making 17 minute long songs! I mentioned Planet P Project! Planet fucking P Project! The worst prog group in history, with the lamest concept album of all time! My point was to highlight the absurdity of championing any one type of rock music over another. In no way do I actually feel that you are unsophisticated because you do not care for the new album... I thought my comments about magic squirrels would at least point to a certain understanding that the very nature of "Hazards of Love" has a certain absurdity to it. I am sorry if you thought I was addressing you. I truly am. All right, I won't post for a while, clearly I am pissing off more people than usual. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:19:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:53 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Steve Schiavo > wrote: > > > On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > > > The first several times I heard the term "concept album" as a lad, it > > And I'm sure I'm > forgetting other stuff that predates the Floyds...oh yeah, shouldn't some > of > the Tullheads be chiming in with Aqualung? Again: how is _Aqualung_ a concept album? In order for something to be a "concept album," it needs to have a concept. What's the concept for _Aqualung_? I mean, yeah, our titular character is mentioned in one other track - but that's really about it. Oh - two songs talk about God. As I said, just because songwriters at any given moment have certain ideas on their mind, that doesn't make their work a "concept album." Otherwise, Morrissey's entire career is one huge "concept album" about isolation, misery, loneliness, and hairstyling. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:23:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: "In this perverted episode" On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:53 AM, craigie* wrote > > > On 26/03/2009, 2fs wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! > >wrote: >> >> > . >> > >> >> Thank god someone's doing something about the terrifying scourge of babies >> eating sperm. >> >> I mean, that's like proto-cannibalism or something. >> > well, it was actually *horse* sperm, Horses are an abomination in the eyes of God (as opposed to an ejaculation in the eyes of infants), as everyone knows - especially fans of Dr. Horrible. Beware of Bad Horse, the Thoroughbred of Sin! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:47:06 -0400 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Speaking of rock that Means Something Are you guys all familiar with Hurra Torpedo's cover of Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse of the Heart"? I'm assuming you mostly are -- everybody was linking to it in 2005 or so. But in case you're not, here is my brother, who believes that this video "is everything that Western, teleological music is about": http://peoplelistentoit.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/hurrah-torpedo-yes-yes-indeed/ J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:43:32 -0700 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #85 I realize that I post about as often as I read here. Some of what chased me away from interaction here was how people who I like very much somehow became unfriendly with one another. I think it's important for everybody to bend a little around here a little bit. Nobody's views are completely one or two dimensional, and we do them a complete disservice to paint them as such. I felt really close to Allen a long time ago, from a human perspective and I really miss that. I think it would be good for everybody to read again how heartfelt his regrets about the on-list discussions and even act in kind. Jeme is one of my favorite people on this or any other planet and I generally will defend him forever (even when he says wacky shit with which I don't agree or when he fails to show the goodness in his heart when sharing an opinion). All: it might hypothetically be okay to sidestep certain controversy once in a while. As long as we're dredging old stuff: Nader was right about the war, military spending, banks, energy, lobbies and a whole bunch of other stuff. I felt like a cheap whore and couldn't sleep for days when I traded votes with somebody in Texas for a Gore vote. In eventual hindsight, I think that was a good balance. Furthermore, at the time I felt that there wasn't _enough_ difference between Gore and Bush, but in my defense, I must've been thinking of the elder Bush. Jr. was just nucking futzo. Some of the election stuff I do blame on Gore, for trying so hard not to say anything in the campaign- that election was his to lose (or have stolen.) The beer-swilling, passionate, articulate Gore we've seen since that election makes me still feel shitty about the whole thing. Without being too much of a Pollyanna- I have some pretty strong views that might even be a little kooky- putting words in the mouths of others is inflammatory. Sometimes, even articulate people and good writers' intentions are not understood. And most people here do have good intentions, but there is a tendency to pick at old wounds. Let's give each other a little break once in a while. Okay, now I'm gonna go to work fo da man and then come home and count me some chords. el sharko loco con frijoles refritos y queso de cabeza ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:51:47 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP wife of badfinger guitarist http://www.legacy.com/StarTribune/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=12547 8043 my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:34:01 -0500 From: Gene Hopstetter Subject: Re: An honest letter > From: vivien lyon > Subject: Re: An honest letter > > I continue to read this list, even though I never post anymore, > because it's a huge part of my personal history. Hey, me too! For the past few years I have thought of this list as a cocktail party. I'm the guy hanging around the keg, and if I hear an interesting conversation, I'll walk over and mingle. If I hear a conversation about something I don't care about, I drink my beer and keep to myself. But usually it's the other Rush fans hanging around the keg, so it's cool. Just like I did when Allen (nie Quail) threw a party at his house. We all drank, sang Neutral Milk Hotel songs out loud, and had a great time. It was an awesome Fegly time. But sometimes a giant monster comes out of the sea, sends the head of the Statue of Liberty flying, and the whole party goes apeshit and scatters. Then we get back to one of the time-worn topics: arranging music collections, prog rock, the contentious band du jour, that RH guy, and life goes on. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:03:47 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #85 Gore didn't handle himself well in the one debate when he looked perturbed and was making those dumb sighs. He should have listened to Bush with respect, and not with disdain. I imagine he turned off some moderates with that performance and they voted for Bush or Nader instead, maybe enough that he lost a state that would have put him over the edge.B I held my nose and voted for Gore even though he ran a terrible campaign, as I didn't trust Bush with that "compassionate conservative" line ofB crap he was running on.B He executed way too many prisoners while Governor of Texas for me to swallowB that he had any sense of compassion whatsoever. Michael B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gloster" To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:43:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #85 I realize that I post about as often as I read here. Some of what chased me away from interaction here was how people who I like very much somehow became unfriendly with one another. I think it's important for everybody to bend a little around here a little bit. Nobody's views are completely one or two dimensional, and we do them a complete disservice to paint them as such. I felt really close to Allen a long time ago, from a human perspective and I really miss that. I think it would be good for everybody to read again how heartfelt his regrets about the on-list discussions and even act in kind. Jeme is one of my favorite people on this or any other planet and I generally will defend him forever (even when he says wacky shit with which I don't agree or when he fails to show the goodness in his heart when sharing an opinion). All: it might hypothetically be okay to sidestep certain controversy once in a while. As long as we're dredging old stuff: Nader was right about the war, military spending, banks, energy, lobbies and a whole bunch of other stuff. I felt like a cheap whore and couldn't sleep for days when I traded votes with somebody in Texas for a Gore vote. In eventual hindsight, I think that was a good balance. Furthermore, at the time I felt that there wasn't _enough_ difference between Gore and Bush, but in my defense, I must've been thinking of the elder Bush. Jr. was just nucking futzo. Some of the election stuff I do blame on Gore, for trying so hard not to say anything in the campaign- that election was his to lose (or have stolen.) The beer-swilling, passionate, articulate Gore we've seen since that election makes me still feel shitty about the whole thing. Without being too much of a Pollyanna- I have some pretty strong views that might even be a little kooky- putting words in the mouths of others is inflammatory. Sometimes, even articulate people and good writers' intentions are not understood. And most people here do have good intentions, but there is a tendency to pick at old wounds. Let's give each other a little break once in a while. Okay, now I'm gonna go to work fo da man and then come home and count me some chords. el sharko loco con frijoles refritos y queso de cabeza ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:26:28 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD > Again: how is _Aqualung_ a concept album? In order for something to be a > "concept album," it needs to have a concept. What's the concept for > _Aqualung_? I mean, yeah, our titular character is mentioned in one other > track - but that's really about it. Oh - two songs talk about God. > Well, ya know, people always called it one, even though Mr. Anderson's always denied anything of the sort. As I said, just because songwriters at any given moment have certain ideas on their mind, that doesn't make their work a "concept album." Otherwise, Morrissey's entire career is one huge "concept album" about isolation, misery, loneliness, and hairstyling. Could also point to Zappa's infamous project/object "conceptual continuity," and Lou's periodic utterances about how each of his albums is, like, a chapter in a novel, see? Seems to me a more accurate term for "concept album" would be to borrow from the classical realm and call those sorts of project a "song cycle," although that maybe gains in pretentiousness what it loses in vagueness... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:47:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > Could also point to Zappa's infamous project/object "conceptual > continuity," > and Lou's periodic utterances about how each of his albums is, like, a > chapter in a novel, see? > Lou tries mighty hard to classify everything he does as literary, even when it isn't. But I'd buy the idea that each of his albums might be novels in themselves, with some interconnections. Wasn't this the entire reason for Peter Gabriel initially not giving any of his albums titles? They were considered to be issues of a magazine, or installments of an ongoing work, right? It's a pretty good idea, and I wish he'd stuck with it; maybe it just died out when his US label insisted on "Security" having a title. (Perhaps ironically, "Security" is a pretty title and fits that record rather well.) Then there's Neil: "It's all one song!" - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:08:58 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rex wrote: > Lou tries mighty hard to classify everything he does as literary, even when > it isn't. Well said. Lou is one of those people I'd hate if I didn't love him (cue Squeeze's "If I Didn't Love You"). I'm still mad at him for letting his ego prematurely end a perfectly good Velvet Underground reunion. But all the same, I wish I'd had the $$$ last year to see him at the Ryman, which was his first Nashville show in the 21 years I've been here. > Wasn't this the entire reason for Peter Gabriel initially not giving any of > his albums titles? They were considered to be issues of a magazine, or > installments of an ongoing work, right? It's a pretty good idea, and I wish > he'd stuck with it; maybe it just died out when his US label insisted on > "Security" having a title. (Perhaps ironically, "Security" is a pretty > title and fits that record rather well.) Apropos of me doing one of those "Top 25 songs" memes on Facebook, the PG/Fripp version of "Here Comes the Flood" on Fripp's EXPOSURE EP shoulda been on that list. Yowza. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) I've only half paid attention to the mud-slinging. First of all, I don't have access to a computer for most of the day, so I often skim the digest (I don't read Joss Whedon posts or BSG ones, but I don't begrudge anyone else his/her pleasure in those). Secondly, I'm really sick right now (pneumonia) so I'm a bit ragged and am actually COMPLETELY bummed out by the fact that I got HOL on Tuesday, played it once, and haven't felt the urge to listen again. Lastly, I tend not to read rants, but I usually read Quail because I like him, because he's not around all that much, and because I generally enjoy reading what he has to say. So I read his rant without my sarcasm/parody antenna up, and felt attacked. Then as I trolled through the three digests that seem to have appeared out of nowhere, I see he wrote that Stewart and I, both erstwhile Decemberists fans, were seen as reasonable in our approach to the discussion, so I felt like a shithead for dumping on him. So here is a question which we can discuss ad nauseum. Do you all think there is a generational issue here, one that is attached to the anonymity of the list? I'm 53 years old, possibly the oldest person here because Kay left a good long time ago. I really hate hurting people's feelings or criticizing things that other people like (I have a friend who loves Barry Manilow, and I've never shared my feelings about him with her). I never used the Internet until 1996, and never was exposed to a digest which allows free discourse (the Kinks list is highly censored) until I joined this list approximately 8 years ago today. Any criticizing that I ever did was in face-to-face encounters. I've carried my habits from RL to the Internet. Are people who are younger more argumentative and ready to pounce because they often have never seen/met the object of their scorn? This is a question; I don't know the answer. So Chris Gross, thanks for setting me straight. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:06:30 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) jill - like you , i skim through lots of posts - i didn't even realize what BSG stood for until the other day while i've seen post by quail, rex, sweeney, jeff, etc. - i've not really figured out who said what to whom - or - really - remembered any specific personality/taste to any particular name (except softboygirl's beatles , and your kinks) just enjoyed picking up an interesting opinion or quote here and there - there's lot of humor in many of the posts - as well as knowledge and passion - which i enjoy reading i'm almost your age - and i used to get into plenty of arguments on Odds + Sods (Who), Madcapslaughing (Syd Barrett), and Hwy61 (Dylan) usually started in frustration - but often done with a bit of a wink as well once the battle started, i felt compelled to continue it was usually just to burst someone's pretentiousness bubble however- i've since cut back as it's usually so futile it's not worth pursuing - -that doesn't stop me from typing something up - and then deleting it before hitting "send" maybe it's happening as i'm getting older as well you should see the Macca-L list - they are so polite , as you would expect ! (creepy smiley face here) my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 3/27/2009 1:48:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jlbrand@bu.edu writes: Are people who are younger more argumentative and ready to pounce because they often have never seen/met the object of their scorn? This is a question; I don't know the answer. **************Free Credit Report and Score Tracking! Get it Now for $0 at CreditReport.com. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220474599x1201401934/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.creditreport.com%3Fsrc%3Daolemail%26kwd%3Dmlftrtextlin k) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:24:00 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: well then, call me stupid (heads up, Chris Gross and Quail) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > I've only half paid attention to the mud-slinging. First of all, I don't > have access to a computer for most of the day, so I often skim the digest (I > don't read Joss Whedon posts or BSG ones, but I don't begrudge anyone else > his/her pleasure in those). Secondly, I'm really sick right now (pneumonia) > so I'm a bit ragged and am actually COMPLETELY bummed out by the fact that I > got HOL on Tuesday, played it once, and haven't felt the urge to listen > again. Lastly, I tend not to read rants, but I usually read Quail because I > like him, because he's not around all that much, and because I generally > enjoy reading what he has to say. So I read his rant without my > sarcasm/parody antenna up, and felt attacked. Then as I trolled through the > three digests that seem to have appeared out of nowhere, I see he wrote that > Stewart and I, both erstwhile Decemberists fans, were seen as reasonable in > our approach to the discussion, so I felt like a shithead for dumping on > him. Yeah, I'm not feeling great about overreacting myself. Apologies where they're due. > > > So here is a question which we can discuss ad nauseum. Do you all think > there is a generational issue here, one that is attached to the anonymity of > the list? I'm 53 years old, possibly the oldest person here because Kay > left a good long time ago. I really hate hurting people's feelings or > criticizing things that other people like (I have a friend who loves Barry > Manilow, and I've never shared my feelings about him with her). I never > used the Internet until 1996, and never was exposed to a digest which allows > free discourse (the Kinks list is highly censored) until I joined this list > approximately 8 years ago today. Any criticizing that I ever did was in > face-to-face encounters. I've carried my habits from RL to the Internet. > Are people who are younger more argumentative and ready to pounce because > they often have never seen/met the object of their scorn? This is a > question; I don't know the answer. Turned 55 a week ago so I've got ya beat there (yep, I'm ordering off the senior menu now!), and I've never participated in one of these groups before - - got into this one because it involved an artist I have a lot of enthusiasm for, and there's a lot of entertaining, high-quality communication going on. All's I can offer is, wherever you have a bunch of smart high-energy people doing anything they feel strongly about there *will* be the occasional flare, and a big plus with the fegs is how anxious everybody is to make nice after a blow-up. I was just looking here http://kalman.blogs.nytimes.com/ and I was struck by the fact that the comments weren't the usual grating flame-fest, and then I read Jill's admirable post. Now we have to go look at wallpaper for the house we just bought even though neither of us has a job (well, our daughter's doing most of the "buying" - being an ER nurse her job's as bulletproof as anybody's is these days). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:53:50 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP http://www.theboot.com/2009/03/26/pop-country-hitmaker-dan-seals-dies-at-61/?i cid=main|htmlws-main|dl2|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theboot.com%2F2009%2F03%2F26%2 Fpop-country-hitmaker-dan-seals-dies-at-61%2F my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #86 *******************************