From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #82 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 25 2009 Volume 17 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: movie talk [2fs ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [Tom Clark] Re: movie talk ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [kevin stu] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [lep ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [lep ] Re: REAP [tongue in cheek] [Poem Lover ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [2fs ] Re: movie talk [James Dignan ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [Steve Sch] Re: If you've seen the BSG finale. . . [lep ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [michaeljb] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [2fs ] Re: Seattle V3 show [Stewart Russell ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [Rex ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [2fs ] Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) [Rex Subject: Re: movie talk On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:12 PM, lep wrote: > > BTW, any british crime recommendations? I'd suggest mugging the Queen. Or stealing a judge's wig. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:44:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Mar 24, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Rex wrote: > I've never made it through "The Wall" in any form, I don't think. I listened to it non-stop when it came out, and even saw one of the shows at Nassau Coliseum. Now I can't bear to put it on. Granted "Comfortably Numb" is still a good song. > But I > think I'm starting to understand who's behind the Decemberists' rise > to > fame: it's the faction who believe it is Vitally Important That Rock > and > Roll Be Important!!!!11!1 I forget about those guys sometimes. I know there are a lot of Meloy lovers here, but I can think of no better place to wear one of those Onion "Your Favorite Band Sucks" shirts than at a Decemberists show. - -tc, ducking... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:16 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: movie talk lep wrote: > > BTW, any british crime recommendations? problem is i've seen cracker, > so everything else pales. Taggart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:41:46 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) Never heard the Genesis one, but I think calling Quadrophenia great is an egregious understatement. I can understand why Moon hated doing it live, what with having to play along with the tape and all, but it could well be Pete's finest hour, studio-wise. I really, really like it, what I'm sayin'. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > > For some of us, I'm afraid the term "rock opera" has the same effect as > > fingernails on a blackboard (for those of you old enough to get that > > reference). And The Wall always struck me as an underwritten, > hysterically > > overproduced extravaganza with all of three-four decent songs to its > name. > > Yeah but Quadrophenia and the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway are > undeniably great right? > > > -- > "Would you rather have your blood go to mindcrime or genocide?" - Trevor > Heins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:48:14 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) Rex says: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > >> For some of us, I'm afraid the term "rock opera" has the same effect as >> fingernails on a blackboard (for those of you old enough to get that >> reference). > > > Oh, I think we're all old enough here. the question is: does 2fs *think* we are? xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:00:23 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #81 jeanne says: > Lauren opined: > >> >> the low: >> hard candy - oh dear. i was left speechless. except i did say to >> myself, "wow, there's just not enough directors these days who are >> bold enough to handle the on-screen castration." > > Hee hee! I loved that scene. No spoilers (like the fegs are going to rush right out to > see it after this promo) but that movie was a guilty pleasure for me. And I think it > would work as a play too, and be tons of fun to stage. i thought ellen page was terrific (as one could be in a castration-genre film), but it was too cruel and gruesome for me. or i just haven't given my all to becoming desensitized to (even fictionalized) torture. > >> p.p.s last episode BSG - "F". my dear jacob at TWoP speaks the truth. > > Ack! No! C'mon Lauren, haven't we been over this? I HATE that guy! All I want from a > recapper is for them to help me keep track of which frakkin 8 or 6 or whatever the hell > it is, and whether she's real or some kind of hallucination, not 7 pages of pretentious > literary allusions! my dear, we *haven't* been over this. i guess that's what i get for never dehermitting and accepting one of your social invitations. perhaps jacob was discussed before i found out about TWoP (which was circa two years ago from jason.) jeanne, you speak the crazy talk. how can you not love jacob**? with my math degree and jacob, i could someday be slightly well-rounded...well, from a distance. maybe. > I did finally get all the guys sorted though. Helo is the one who's currently shirtless > on Dollhouse. i can't wait for helo to kick topher's scrawny ass. actually, it would be even better should our dear ms. burkle get there first. xo ** actually, it's not unlikely that i love jacob only because he's proof that there's at least one nutjob out there who's more obsessed with BSG than i am. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:01:34 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) kevin says: > Never heard the Genesis one The Only Rock Opera That Matters. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:07:03 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) > I've never made it through "The Wall" in any form, I don't think. But I > think I'm starting to understand who's behind the Decemberists' rise to > fame: it's the faction who believe it is Vitally Important That Rock and > Roll Be Important!!!!11!1 I forget about those guys sometimes. > I veer back and forth between laughing at those guys, and being one of them. Phases of the moon or something. But the Decembrists are one of the bands everybody in here tends to be yuuge fans of, and I've yet to hear them (anything anybody can point to as a good first taste?). Or those of Montreal kids either, except on TV one night recently, where they were doing some kind of theater event that involved big puppets, and I thought that whole deal was pretty cool. There's an outfit I'd like to see on stage - I get the sense it's their natural environment. I remain basically in favor of The Fall, though I haven't heard a lot of their output yet. Personal tragedy dept: We had stupidly left some LPs stashed too close to a water heater, and evidently the environment was steamy enough to grow a fine, luxurious crop of mildew. As a result I've had to pick through about 150 discs (Talking Heads - Zevon), clean them, and trash the jackets - bye-bye, colltectible value. A few had enough damage to labels that I just tossed the vinyl too, which included an original pressing of Hot Rats with the blue-green Bizarre label. That about to broke my heart, but I've found a near-mint replacement (though it's a later pressing, with the brown Reprise label) through GEMM, so it's sort of OK. I can't bring myself to listen to Zappa's CD remix of that album; he just crapped it up completely - a crime against art, ya ask me. Now I gotta fork out for a bunch of plain white cardboard to keep the little buggers in...so it goes, as Kurt V. would say. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:19:16 -0700 From: Jason Brown Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #81 On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:00 PM, lep wrote: > perhaps jacob was discussed before i found out about TWoP (which was > circa two years ago from jason.) jeanne, you speak the crazy talk. > how can you not love jacob**? with my math degree and jacob, i could > someday be slightly well-rounded...well, from a distance. maybe. while i vehemently disagree with Jacob's BSG finale review i do think he is one of the better writers in the TWoP bunch. But my new TV oracle is the Alan Sepinwall. http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/ I pretty much fully agree with his BSG finale review: http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-part-2.html >> I did finally get all the guys sorted though. Helo is the one who's currently shirtless >> on Dollhouse. > > i can't wait for helo to kick topher's scrawny ass. actually, it > would be even better should our dear ms. burkle get there first. I'm really worried we are supposed to like Topher and the role was horribly mis-cast. The mythical 6th episode was a little oversold but I'm happily in for the long haul now. Oh by the way, Breaking Bad is awesome. - -- "Would you rather have your blood go to mindcrime or genocide?" - Trevor Heins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: REAP [tongue in cheek] Fair enough....! :) - --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: REAP [tongue in cheek] To: "Kentucky Fried Jesus Christ" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:50 PM Poem Lover wrote: > David Letterman's bachelorhood. > ;) Technically, his divorceehood[sp] since he was married once before. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:47:07 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM, lep wrote: > Rex says: > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:42 AM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > > > >> For some of us, I'm afraid the term "rock opera" has the same effect as > >> fingernails on a blackboard (for those of you old enough to get that > >> reference). > > > > > > Oh, I think we're all old enough here. > > the question is: does 2fs *think* we are? > All I can say is, it's a good thing I"m not running an online "Guess Your Age!" booth. (ps: I'm 83.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:57:30 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Headline. Of. The. Year My local paper has just run a large feature article on local mushrooms and toadstools, which are safe to eat, and the people who study them. the title? "Take me to Fungi Town". We have a winner. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:55:40 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: movie talk >BTW, any british crime recommendations? problem is i've seen cracker, >so everything else pales. > >i exaggerate of course - others i've seen: > >prime suspect (i loved this) >the last detective (enjoyed it, but the mysteries don't seem up to >prime suspect) >midsomer murders (ditto) > >i just received the first disc of "five days" so we'll see how that goes. > >also saw part of interesting US short series that ran on sci-fi called >"the lost room" with peter krause. never finished it though it looked >promising. Alice raves about this one, but I keep missing it. > >how's that morse guy? other recommendations? Morse is one of the better ones - closest of these would be Midsomer Murders, but quite a bit better. if you like them I'd also suggest the PD James Mysteries (not sure whether there's an actual tuitle for these other than the individual episode titles - the lead character's name is cAdam Dalgliesh) and "Ruth Rendell Mysteries" (a.k.a. "Inspector Wexford") . if you prefer something grittier (but not as much so as Cracker), then "Taggart" is worthwhile, especially the earlier series with Mark McManus. My favourite, though, is one of the quirkier offerings - "Hamish MacBeth". Closer to northern Exposure than to a standard cop show, set in northern Scotland and starring Robbie ("The Full Monty', "Trainspotting") Carlyle. A winner. On a related subject, one series I'm in a love-hate relationship with at the moment is "Spooks". Frighteningly believable espionage series set in modern Britain. Scary as hell - too much so for my imagination. And to lighten up after that, the delightful comedy/drama "Hustle", which has managed to capture some of the lightness of touch that made 60s series like The Avengers so great. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:11:52 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) > kevin says: >> Never heard the Genesis one On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:01 PM, lep wrote: > The Only Rock Opera That Matters. Some good songs, but I think it's the least good of the PG Genesis albums, and they were my favorite band pre-XTC. I'd pick Topographic Oceans over it 10 out of 10 times. And I even had a ticket for the Lamb show in Dallas, but it was cancelled due to lack of sales. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:18:34 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: If you've seen the BSG finale. . . Sumi says: > You might enjoy this: > > http://io9.com/5178837/spike-and-angel-debate-the-bsg-finale thanks for posting that, sumi. it gave me a smile amidst the senseless heartache that was "daybreak (part 2)".*** BTW, where the hell's vivien? did she hit the FTL while i wasn't looking? this BSG thing was all her fault (and i thank her dearly for it.) xo ** yes, i forgive them. by the last episode, i'd forgive that show just about anything. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:48:01 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) LLDOB grabbed me from the first time I heard it when I borrowedB a friends vinyl copy for a week or so.B SF Sorrow byB The Pretty Things I would rank right up there with Lamb. B Quodrophenia had some fine songs as I remember, but it's been a long time since I've listened to it and so I can't rank it up there with Lamb and SF Sorrow. B I always B thought Tommy was overated and I nver did see the movie, but I did listen to my sisters vinyl copy a number of times. I also cannot bare to listen to The Wall again. Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: "lep" To: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:01:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) kevin says: > Never heard the Genesis one The Only Rock Opera That Matters. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." B -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:59:50 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/03/25/arts/entertainment-us-motown.html?_r =2 my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:15:42 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > kevin says: >> >>> Never heard the Genesis one >>> >> > On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:01 PM, lep wrote: > > The Only Rock Opera That Matters. >> > > Some good songs, but I think it's the least good of the PG Genesis albums, > and they were my favorite band pre-XTC. I'd pick Topographic Oceans over it > 10 out of 10 times. Weighing in: I think I raved about _Quadrophenia_ little more than a month ago. I like _Lamb_ quite a bit, although there are probably 10-15 minutes that could have been trimmed. On _Tommy_: I go back and forth between thinking it's too bad Townshend couldn't realize the fuller arrangements he'd intended...and being damned glad he didn't, so that his slashing acoustic-guitar work is more to the fore. On _Topographic_: I like it (I think of it as a series of short songs that happen not to be titled or banded...and once, in a fit of bizarre inspiration, imagined that it'd sound good if Guided by Voices covered it) - but it's no "rock opera." It might vaguely be a "concept album"...but anyone not reading Jon Anderson's liner notes (it's probably the only album ever inspired by a *footnote* to something some Yogi wrote) would never guess it. And hey: I've been listening to _Thick as a Brick_ and _A Passion Play_ recently - and curious that there seems to be so little love for J. Tull here...since of all the acts mentioned above, Ian Anderson's musical approach shares the most similarities with Robyn's (arcane British folk and psychedelia are the two threads in common). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:22:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Seattle V3 show I grabbed the Triple Door show off of Dime and converted it to Apple Lossless format with id tags for all you iTunes users: http://files.me.com/tclark/dm7geu There's one typo I noticed: "Airscape" is spelled "Airscope" enjoy, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:42:50 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Seattle V3 show 2009/3/25 Tom Clark : > I grabbed the Triple Door show off of Dime and converted it to Apple > Lossless format with id tags for all you iTunes users: I just use the QuickTime Vorbis plugin. Had forgotten that iTunes couldn't read FLAC natively. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:13:31 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:15 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Steve Schiavo >wrote: > > > kevin says: > >> > >>> Never heard the Genesis one > >>> > >> > > On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:01 PM, lep wrote: > > > > The Only Rock Opera That Matters. > I'm sure I've told this story before, but when I was first getting into The Rock Music (age 16?) and loved Peter Gabriel, I'd heard about the prog Genesis days and thought they must have been really cool, 'cuz I was all still into all the other nerdy adolescent stuff (although I don't think I knew much about "prog" as a genre). There was this local radio station that would play full LP's at midnight on, I dunno, Saturday or something, and I heard they were going to play TLLDOB and got very very psyched about it. I was ready to stay up late listening to it. But about five minutes in, I found myself annoyed, and in another five I realized I just couldn't make myself like it at all. I was bitterly disappointed, and probably proceeded to listen to nothing but "Remain in Light" for about a month. It was quite likely the singular moment when I realized that the things that made for great rock and roll were different from the things that made for a great 12-issue graphic novel or whatever... my punk rock epiphany, in a tiny way. "Tommy"... it's a mess, but it's got tunes. Could live without ever listening to it front-to-back again. "Quadrophenia" is just, for whatever reason, really really great. Trying to think if I own any other "rock operas"... hmmm, "Greendale" and "Zen Arcade" are the only things coming to mind. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:14:19 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Seattle V3 show On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > I grabbed the Triple Door show off of Dime and converted it to Apple > Lossless format with id tags for all you iTunes users: > http://files.me.com/tclark/dm7geu TYTC!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:27:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Rex wrote: > > "Tommy"... it's a mess, but it's got tunes. Could live without ever > listening to it front-to-back again. "Quadrophenia" is just, for whatever > reason, really really great. Trying to think if I own any other "rock > operas"... hmmm, "Greendale" and "Zen Arcade" are the only things coming to > mind. _Zen Arcade_ is a "rock opera"? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:16:43 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: movie talk - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 24. Mdrz 2009 16:54:37 -0400 regarding movie talk: > the low: > hard candy - oh dear. i was left speechless. I thought it wasn't all that bad, but I don't remember much of what I thought about it. Hm, I gave it a 9 on IMDb, so I must've liked it quite a bit. But I'd watch Ellen Page read the phone book, so ... > p.p.s last episode BSG - "F". my dear jacob at TWoP speaks the truth. I'm glad you hated it as well, although I'm not sure we hated it for the same reasons :-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:32:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, 2fs wrote: > > > _Zen Arcade_ is a "rock opera"? Hey, I'm reachin'. It does (alledgedly) have a narrative, and it's a double LP that's usually called a "concept record". I wouldn't call it a "rock opera" myself, but that's because I don't want to piss it off. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:06:01 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Decemberists new CD review from Odds & Sods (for Who fans) kevin studyvin wrote: > > But the Decembrists are one of the > bands everybody in here tends to be yuuge fans of, and I've yet to hear them > (anything anybody can point to as a good first taste?). Depends if you want the new or old sound. 'Picaresque' has a bit of both; if you like "Mariner's Revenge Song", you'll probably like the new proggy stuff, alas. Otherwise, 'Her Majesty' or 'Castaways & Cutouts' will do you. > Or those of Montreal kids ... [t]here's an outfit I'd like to see > on stage - I get the sense it's their natural environment. They're getting a bit better at the staging. The earlier stage weirdness of the Georgie Fruit era was a little tiresome as they set up the step ladder and Kevin climb up with the huge dress on - they've now got actors/crew to do setup. BP, the guitarist, used to lurk on this list (maybe still does). He is the nicest guy you could meet, and his solo stuff is awesome - 'Amok' is a storming album. Both Colin Meloy and BP have played with Robyn (just to keep things real) Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #82 *******************************