From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #66 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 6 2009 Volume 17 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #65 [James Dignan ] Re: Fretless bassists [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Too much BSG? (NR) [2fs ] Re: Sebastian, you got some 'splainin' to do ... [2fs ] Re: Fretless bassists [2fs ] Re: Rock drummers: click track or no? [Rex ] 09/09/09 (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Too much BSG? (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: 09/09/09 (NR) [Poem Lover ] NEW on DiME: Robyn Hitchcock Brudenell Social Club Leeds UK 2009-02-10 [HwyCDRrev@aol.] YouTube Symphony Orchestra (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Fretless bassists [Charlotte ] Re: Does Oklahoma now suck less? (NR) [Great Quail ] Re: Does Oklahoma now suck less? (NR) [Miles Goosens ] Re: 68 Skidoo ! (great Dylan story too) (No RH but some Nilsson + Groucho!) [HwyCDRrev@ao] happy friday! ["John B. Jones" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:33:38 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #65 > > Making a hasty getaway after the Collapsed Cologne Archives Caper, then? > > http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4072655,00.html > > > > Stewart > > (joking) > >I didn't think that would make the international news (and in fact your >source is "only" Deutsche Welle). It certainly made the news here close to Germany's antipodes... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:51:40 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Fretless bassists James wrote: > Has anyone mentioned Jaco Pastorius yet? ...Man, I'm no jazz aficionado, but...even "just" Jaco's work on the mid-late-'70s Joni Mitchell stuff I luv so much leaves me open-jawed. I'm particularly thinking about "Coyote" and "Refuge of the Roads." Michael "'Coyote' is probably in my top 15 (or maybe even 12) all-time favorite songs..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:04:20 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Too much BSG? (NR) On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > David Gibbs III, a lawyer who in 2005 fought to keep brain-damaged Terri >>> Schiavo on life support, told rally participants gay marriage would "open >>> the door to unusual marriage in North Carolina. "Why not polygamy, or three >>> or four spouses?" Gibbs asked. "Maybe people will want to marry their pets >>> or robots." >>> >> >> >> > > Here we go again... Looks like it's time to put the XQJ-37 Nuclear-Powered Pan-Sexual Roto-Plooker back into production...at least in our fine southern states... "plookin' too hard on meeeee..." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:06:19 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Sebastian, you got some 'splainin' to do ... On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- Stewart Russell is rumored to have mumbled on 5. > Mdrz 2009 13:48:06 -0500 regarding Sebastian, you got some 'splainin' to do > ...: > > Making a hasty getaway after the Collapsed Cologne Archives Caper, then? >> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4072655,00.html >> >> > > I was against the subway extension that probably caused the collapse, but > for different reasons (too expensive, much more could've been done for the > same money overground). It bugs me that now the Monday morning > quarterbacking (I choose this American expression considering the main > audience of the list) is rampant and everybody and their grandmother claims > to always have known that something like this would happen. Was that grandmother playing bongos with Mark E. Smith? You know, MES does have a sort of psychic record... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:18:38 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rock drummers: click track or no? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Plamere does the research: > http://musicmachinery.com/2009/03/02/in-search-of-the-click-track/ > J > Television's "Marquee Moon" - definitely no click track. A few years back I decided it would be "fun" (by which I mean: strangely obsessive) to create a hybrid mashup version of the song that overlaid parts of the Kronos Quartet's string quartet arrangement of the song on top of the original. First problem: Kronos' tempo was completely different. That's not so bad an issue: either time-shift while keeping the pitch unchanged (assuming the two tracks were in tune in the first place), or do some fancy-ass cutting and pasting. I think I had to do both - and Kronos doesn't use a click track either, of course. What I found is that it was nearly impossible to overlay the same KQ part on similar sections of the original track - tempo variations meant I had to adjust things constantly. (You can hear the results here: ) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:19:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Fretless bassists On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:01 PM, James Dignan wrote: > Has anyone mentioned Jaco Pastorius yet? >> >> >> First fretless bassist to come to mind...except Charlotte specified >> "rock/pop" rather than "jazz/funk"...and Pastorius is definitely in the jazz >> camp (if not "funk" precisely). >> > > True, but did do quite a bit of cross-genre work - Joni Mitchell's > wonderful "Hejira" album comes to mind, for instance. Fair enough - I always think of him as having been a jazz player, even when he was playing on non-jazz recordings. Although Mitchell's work in this era is heavily jazz-influenced anyway... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:24:11 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Rock drummers: click track or no? On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:18 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > > Plamere does the research: > > http://musicmachinery.com/2009/03/02/in-search-of-the-click-track/ > > J > > > > Television's "Marquee Moon" - definitely no click track. > > A few years back I decided it would be "fun" (by which I mean: strangely > obsessive) to create a hybrid mashup version of the song that overlaid > parts > of the Kronos Quartet's string quartet arrangement of the song on top of > the > original. > I remember this. It's nice. There's no real conclusion to the original article, though, is there? Basically it's "I think I've found a way to determine which bands might use a click track..." It's an interesting issue in some ways, but often as not I figure it's a practical thing, depending on what kind of thing you're recording, and how you're going about it. When recording as a band, my standby practice for many years* has been not to use a click unless there's a reason, which, in the kind of music we play, there rarely is unless you know ahead of time you're going to use some kind of effects or processing that's tempo-dependant (delay or tremolo or some such thing). Clicks used to be useful for keeping the tempo consistent between takes, but that's no longer the case: as long as your drummer is pretty good and you're recording at decent quality, you can substitute a measure's worth of drums from one clickless take to another using your eyes, ears, and little squashing/stretching. It's pretty cool. Common wisdom is that digital recording has made it a lot easier to record band-like arrangements without a band, and that of course is true. But I've found that it's probably even... erm... more easier-er to record an actual band that way, too. Just for starters, it eases the tension to know that you can do approximately a million takes on the tune without wasting any massively expensive 2" tape (if you're a band on a budget, anyway). - -Rex *I say that like it's some kind of personal choice on my part, but really, I've worked with the same drummer for like fifteen years and the policy basically originated with him. He's good. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:35:44 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: 09/09/09 (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:54:59 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Too much BSG? (NR) On Mar 5, 2009, at 7:04 PM, 2fs wrote: > Looks like it's time to put the XQJ-37 Nuclear-Powered Pan-Sexual > Roto-Plooker back into production...at least in our fine southern > states... And it looks like this . Or maybe this . - -Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: 09/09/09 (NR) I can't wait!! - --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Steve Schiavo wrote: From: Steve Schiavo Subject: 09/09/09 (NR) To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 2:35 AM - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:29:52 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME: Robyn Hitchcock Brudenell Social Club Leeds UK 2009-02-10 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=239303 Robyn Hitchcock & His Friends Brudenell Social Club Leeds UK 2009-02-10 Robyn Hitchcock: Vocals, Guitar Paul Noble: Bass, Vocals Rob Ellis: Drums, Vocals Sony ECM-909 > Edirol R-09 > Audacity * > wav > flac (sector aligned, level 8, verified) * +6dB volume boost track 4 onwards, smooth out volume fluctuation at beginning of track 4, cut and cross-fade during encore break (no music or dialogue missing), fade out, downsample to 16bit 44.1kHz. I knocked the recording level of the Edirol down at the beginning of 'Sinister But She Was Happy', thinking that it was going to be a lot louder. I needn't have bothered. The sound goes a bit funny for a few seconds while the levels were changed. Any hums, buzzes and crackles were from the stage/PA. 01. "I'm Robyn, from London..." 02. I Got The Hots 03. "Mere clodhoppers... " 04. Sinister But She Was Happy 05. "Hapless fly..." 06. You And Oblivion 07. "Descended from Chuck Berry..." 08. Museum Of Sex 09. "Micro George Formbys" 10. Oceanside 11. "The trouble with humans..." 12. NASA Clapping 13. Full Moon In My Soul 14. Saturday Groovers 15. "Something happening now..." 16. I'm Only You 17. "I left the building, man..." 18. Sounds Great When You're Dead 19. Sometimes A Blonde 20. "I eat crumpets and marmite..." 21. Beautiful Queen 22. "This next song is free..." 23. Zipper In My Spine 24. Insanely Jealous 25. encore break 26. The Ghost Ship 27. Goodnight Oslo my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:15:15 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: YouTube Symphony Orchestra (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:38:09 +0000 From: Charlotte Subject: Re: Fretless bassists Thanks for all the fretless suggestions, I've got lots to listen to. I've heard a bit of Jaco Pastorius and Pino Palladino (he played on Gilmour's About Face, I think?) but I don't know the others yet. This week I discovered English Settlement, which is my first experience of XTC. Charlotte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:33:00 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: Does Oklahoma now suck less? (NR) > On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > >> > > Overall the song is generally positive, but I think it's funny that an > official state song contains the line "Do you realize that everyone > you know someday will die?" Well, it's generally *kind of* positive, being about the realization that life is precious -- a realization spurred by the moment of comprehension that we are mortal! A very, very strange choice. I would have picked "Pompeii Am Gotterdammerung" myself. - --Quail Do You Realize - that you have the most beautiful face Do You Realize - we're floating in space - Do You Realize - that happiness makes you cry Do You Realize - that everyone you know someday will die And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know You realize that life goes fast It's hard to make the good things last You realize the sun doesn't go down It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round Do You Realize - Oh - Oh - Oh Do You Realize - that everyone you know Someday will die - And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know You realize that life goes fast It's hard to make the good things last You realize the sun doesn't go down It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round Do You Realize - that you have the most beautiful face Do You Realize ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:44:43 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: 68 Skidoo ! (great Dylan story too) (No RH but some Nilsson + Groucho!) watch the whole movie ! : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8627569594136856520&q=Skidoo%3A+Otto+P reminger%27s&total=8&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Skidoo (1968) - 1:34:11 - Sep 2, 2007 (10 Ratings) Rate: An "acid comedy" with Jackie Gleason as an ex-mobster who hates hippies, Carol Channing stripping down to her underwear, Groucho Marx in his final film role as "God", a score from Harry Nilsson, an acid-tripping prison where the guards see naked football players and dancing garbage cans, and cameos from Frankie Avalon, Cesar Romero, Burgess Meredith, Mickey Rooney, Frank Gorshin, George Raft, and Slim Pickens...to name a few. Does this sound like an Otto Preminger film to you? Well, there's a reason why the master of Oscar-winning dramas (and off-screen Germanic fits) never really made comedies, and this completely unfunny mess is a good example of why. On the other hand, if you think you'll get a kick (as many do) out of seeing old Hollywood try to relate to the kids of 1968, and fail miserably, here's your shot. To truly see this film, you have to catch it on screen in glorious widescreen because Preminger plays with the frame in exciting ways (and the color and design look great). It pops up rarely in revival screenings, sometimes at MoMA and most recently in an anniversary show at the American Cinematheque in L.A. So until the studio decides to pull out a DVD release (c'mon, if Myra Breckinridge can make it to DVD, so can Skidoo), you'll have to find it however you can. But even in a fuzzy, maltreated video version it is worth the trip. Have heard that there is a Widescreen version lurking out there, made from a copy of the vault print, but haven't been able to get a hold of one... And now for the trivia: Otto Preminger originally wanted Bob Dylan to score the movie. He invited Dylan and his wife to a rough cut screening at his Hollywood mansion. After the screening, Dylan surprised everybody from his entourage, who thought the film was a disaster, by requesting a second screening but at one condition: he wanted to be left alone with his wife to watch it. Preminger happily obliged, convinced that Dylan would accept the job. However, Dylan showed no further interest in the movie. He acknowledged later that he and his wife weren't interested at all by Skidoo but that they had requested this second screening to freely explore Preminger's mansion, write down what they liked and take inspiration for their own house.+ my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2 Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:24:30 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Fretless bassists And while there doesn't seem to be any great howling love for Ian Hunter in these parts, Pastorius did also feature on his 1976 All American Alien Boy, as did David Sanborn... On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > James wrote: > > > > > Has anyone mentioned Jaco Pastorius yet? > > > > > > ...Man, I'm no jazz aficionado, but...even "just" Jaco's work on the > mid-late-'70s Joni Mitchell stuff I luv so much leaves me open-jawed. I'm > particularly thinking about "Coyote" and "Refuge of the Roads." > > > > > > Michael "'Coyote' is probably in my top 15 (or maybe even 12) all-time > favorite songs..." Sweeney > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to > meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:36:44 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Does Oklahoma now suck less? (NR) On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > >> > > Overall the song is generally positive, but I think it's funny that an official state song contains the line "Do you realize that everyone you know someday will die?" One of WV's official state songs is John Denver's "Country Roads," which names a bunch of geographic features that aren't actually in West Virginia. Blue Ridge Mountains? Shenandoah River? Next door in the Old Dominion. I think my home state's legislators were probably too busy with eat-your-own-roadkill legislation to notice. As far as Oklahoma goes, I'd much rather have had a Starlight Mints song, thank you very much. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:57:48 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: 68 Skidoo ! (great Dylan story too) (No RH but some Nilsson + Groucho!) On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM, wrote: > watch the whole movie ! : I did, a long time ago. On the big screen, even. I don't think I've entirely recovered to this day. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:06:13 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Does Oklahoma now suck less? (NR) On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > >> > > > > Overall the song is generally positive, but I think it's funny that an > official state song contains the line "Do you realize that everyone you know > someday will die?" > > One of WV's official state songs is John Denver's "Country Roads," > which names a bunch of geographic features that aren't actually in > West Virginia. Blue Ridge Mountains? Shenandoah River? Next door in > the Old Dominion. And yet it was totally inevitable given that that song, and particularly the phrase "mountain mama", is the first (and probably often only) thing that just about everyone thinks of when they hear the words "West Virginia". To say that WV natives tend to have a complex relationship with that goddamn song is to vastly understate several things... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:22:53 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: 68 Skidoo ! (great Dylan story too) (No RH but some Nilsson + Groucho!) as usual - i sent the link as soon as a found it then i started to watch it then skipped around - found groucho, found 2 nilsson songs - that's enough for me ! still - that's an awesome dylan story my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 3/6/2009 5:01:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spottedeagleray@gmail.com writes: I did, a long time ago. On the big screen, even. I don't think I've entirely recovered to this day. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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