From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #57 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 25 2009 Volume 17 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alphabetization Annoyance ["C. Huff" ] Re: Alphabetization Annoyance [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Alphabetization Annoyance ["Brian Huddell" ] The Wonderful and Frightening Map of The World of The Fall [Rex ] 25 May 2007 again [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] 25 May 2007 [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: robyn_hitchcock on twitter! [lep ] Re: Alphabetization Annoyance [Miles Goosens ] Miles Goosens' 322nd Wilco Dream [Miles Goosens ] Re: No Line (0% Robyn) [Great Quail ] Re: No Line (0% Robyn) [Miles Goosens ] Neko stream (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: No Line (0% Robyn) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: No Line (0% Robyn) [Miles Goosens ] Re: No Line (0% Robyn) [Jeff Dwarf ] Robyn in Nashville April 6th [Miles Goosens ] Re: Robyn in Nashville April 6th [2fs ] Re: Robyn in Nashville April 6th [Miles Goosens ] Beatles - Revolution 1 take 20 [m swedene ] Re: Beatles - Revolution 1 take 20 [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] new albums I know I'm gonna love based on first listens ["John B. Jones" ] Re: new albums I know I'm gonna love based on first listens [m swedene ] Re: Robyn Hitchcock's Penmanship Promotes Piracy [Tom Clark ] Re: Amoeba [Terrence Marks ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: Re: Alphabetization Annoyance I file Soft Boys under S and all Robyn Hitchcock under H (including Egyptians & Venus 3) Why, you might ask? Indeed. I see them as very different. Even Nextdoorland has a SoftBoysness that is different from other RH work. I have listened to Nextdoorland twice. Anyway. But here's an even crazier question: Wikipedia lists him asRobyn Rowan Hitchcock. I always thought his name was Reginald Robyn Hitchcock, though this was always word of mouth. Any info? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Alphabetization Annoyance C. Huff wrote: > Wikipedia lists him as Robyn Rowan Hitchcock. I always > thought his name was Reginald Robyn Hitchcock, though this > was always word of mouth. Any info? You ought not call him Reg as it's not his name. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:05:38 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Alphabetization Annoyance > I always thought his name was Reginald Robyn Hitchcock, though this was always word of > mouth. Any info? Not yet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:23:05 -0800 From: Rex Subject: The Wonderful and Frightening Map of The World of The Fall Kinda neat: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=uk&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116369028345836033424.0004634bdecd22e86d5aa&z=3 I point this out because it would be really easy to do one of these for any artist on the boring level of a gigography or whatever, but far fewer are the artists for whom you could do it based on places namedropped in songs. And RH is one for whom you certainly could... not that I'm going to be the one to do it or anything, but it would be cool. Just start with Honiton Clyst and go astray from there. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:25:04 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: No Line (0% Robyn) I'm hoping for a Quail review of the new U2. Much more interesting than the last two, IMO. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:41:56 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: 25 May 2007 again * And how could I have forgotten Kate McGarrigle, Martha Wainwright and Lily Lanken singing 'See Emily Play'? - - MRG again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:38:39 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: 25 May 2007 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:15:26 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Brain Damage Ah! Nemmine, I found it: http://braindamage.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2007&post_month=05 J * Yes, I went to that show - mostly good stuff, specially The Bees, Robyn Hitchcock, Chrissie Hynde and the remainder of the Pink Floyd. Several other fegs were there too. I didn't realise that it would be the last time I ever saw Richard 'Rick' Wright, who sang Arnold Layne very acceptably. Sourpuss Roger Waters was on the bill but appeared separately from David Gilmour, Nick Mason and Rick Wright. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:08:31 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: robyn_hitchcock on twitter! okay, i'm finally the proud owner of a twitter account. you're all being followed. but, really, i signed up only to follow cyc_ai (http://twitter.com/cyc_ai.) it states a piece of its ontological knowledge roughly every three hours (or so i've been told.) i'm rather unduly fascinated with it. and i don't it's not trying to be funny, but indeed it is. does eddie have a twitter account where every musing begins with "my name is eb"? actually, it might be kind of similar to cyc_ai's output, if cyc_ai cussed up a storm. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:58:48 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Alphabetization Annoyance On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM, C. Huff wrote: > I file Soft Boys under S and all Robyn Hitchcock under H (including > Egyptians & Venus 3) That seems like a very easy call to me, particularly the latter part. My collection is alpha by artist, then chronological within artist. The Soft Boys are in "S," all other Hitchcock in "H." Various artist and various artist soundtracks are at the end, alpha by title. > But here's an even crazier question: > > Wikipedia lists him asRobyn Rowan Hitchcock. I always thought his name > was Reginald Robyn Hitchcock, though this was always word of mouth. Any > info? > You live in a community where there's any word-of-mouth about Robyn, period? Is there a Feg Commune somewhere or what? And no, as stated previously in the thread, Reg's not his name, not yet. And while we're on the name thing, what's with the Facebook fan groups that list the full name of the object of their affection? It's sometimes very confusing. I mean, seeing "Heath Andrew Ledger" is a bit strange though easily decipherable, but I'm not necessarily going to know that "Patricia Lee Smith" is supposed to be "Patti Smith," at least not without a photo. It's not like Facebook requires the full name of the artist, so this phenomenon is doubly weird. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:25:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Miles Goosens' 322nd Wilco Dream Last night, I dreamed that my wife and I went to see Wilco. Though I can't remember any set list details now, it was a great gig, reminiscent of when I saw them regularly from 1999 through 2002. My wife's not a Wilco fan, but even she was impressed. While walking out of the venue, I realized that Nels Cline and Pat Sansome weren't part of the band I just saw, and the light bulb went on for me why I liked the show. Even though I think Cline and Sansome are hugely talented musicians, Wilco's music has not been to my taste since they joined: the music's become busy, ornate at times, and there's way too much playing going on. It's like adding the two of them to the mix with Glenn Kotche created some kind of muso critical mass that just wasn't there during the Bennett/Coomer/Johnston days, or even during the period when Glenn K. was in the band and Cline/Sansome weren't. Nevertheless, I don't blame either Cline or Sansome for this. I blame Jeff Tweedy, because it's his damn band and it wouldn't be that way unless he wanted it that way. My dream was total wish fulfilment: it wasn't the "old" band lineup, because I don't really want them to time-travel back to 1999 and never grow or progress. But the Dream Wilco was playing material old and new the *way* I wanted them to play it, with understatement, heart, and when appropriate, fury. I also thought of Our Natalie during the show and cried a little bit. It seemed to me like the sort of Wilco show she would have enjoyed too. Then I woke up. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:22:06 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) > I'm hoping for a Quail review of the new U2. Much more interesting than the > last two, IMO. I realize that I can hear it live and streaming from U2.com, but I actually have a ritual I follow for every new U2 album. It is simply this -- I sit down, put on the album, and listen to it uninterrupted front to back*. No headphones, no working in the background, no fondling of St. Bono prayer beads, no driving around looking for starving children to feed. So as I told the Edge when he tried to send me the demo tapes a few months ago for preview -- "Dave, please, thanks, I'll wait for the CD, so turn your private jet around." - --Quail *I follow the same ritual with new albums by Rush, Tool, and King Crimson as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:37:38 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Great Quail wrote: > I realize that I can hear it live and streaming from U2.com, Do you have to have a U2.com subscription to do this? I went 'n' looked, and I all I saw were 30ish sec sound clips of four songs. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:49:10 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Neko stream (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:09:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) Brian Huddell wrote: > I'm hoping for a Quail review of the new U2. Much more > interesting than the last two, IMO. Based on first 3 listens: Easily the best thing since Achtung, and the first truly good album since the Passengers record, and I don't think this is going to be an "All That You Can Leave Behind/You Are the Quarry" sort of situation where you thinks its pretty good, but six months later, two songs you in, all you can think is "eh, fuck this, I'm gonna listen to Joshua Tree* instead." I guess Eno and Lanois function even more than usual as the 5th and 6th U2s here and co-wrote most if not all of the music, which was a very inspired idea. It's very low key for the most part, but also feels like it's moving along pretty briskly too -- it's always a good sign, when your first thought when an album ends is, "What, that's over?" *Or, The Queen is Dead. The new Morrissey does smell to me like a ATYCLB/YATQ situation, sadly. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:29:53 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Brian Huddell wrote: >> I'm hoping for a Quail review of the new U2. Much more >> interesting than the last two, IMO. > > Based on first 3 listens: > Easily the best thing since Achtung, and the first truly good album since the Passengers record, and I don't think this is going to be an "All That You Can Leave Behind/You Are the Quarry" sort of situation where you thinks its pretty good, but six months later, two songs you in, all you can think is "eh, fuck this, I'm gonna listen to Joshua Tree* instead." I didn't feel that way about YOU ARE THE QUARRY; I love it and think Morrissey is on a really nifty roll at the moment (though I haven't heard the new one yet). I also didn't feel that way about U2's ALL THAT YOU CAN LEAVE BEHIND, which along with the song selection on their 1990-2000 comp, I saw as a full-scale retreat from/disavowal of a decade of extremely worthwhile experimentation. So in that case, I never liked it in the first place. :) later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) Miles Goosens wrote: > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: Re: No Line (0% Robyn) > To: "fegmaniax" > Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:29 AM > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Dwarf > wrote: > > Brian Huddell wrote: > >> I'm hoping for a Quail review of the new U2. > Much more > >> interesting than the last two, IMO. > > > > Based on first 3 listens: > > Easily the best thing since Achtung, and the first > > truly good album since the Passengers record, and I > > don't think this is going to be an "All That You > > Can Leave Behind/You Are the Quarry" sort of situation > > where you thinks its pretty good, but six months later, two > > songs you in, all you can think is "eh, fuck this, > > I'm gonna listen to Joshua Tree* instead." > > I didn't feel that way about YOU ARE THE QUARRY; I love it and think > Morrissey is on a really nifty roll at the moment (though I haven't > heard the new one yet). I don't dislike it, but I can't ever imagine choosing it instead of any Smiths album or Viva Hate or Vauxhall or a my self-made single/b-sides compilation (which is much better than any of the 5000 he's release himself, but I would think that). His voice is still in fine form, and the lyrics are generally pretty sharp (except that one line on Ringleaders which Bret Michaels would have thought was embarassingly lascivious, you know which one it is); the problem is -- still -- that Alain Whyte and Boz Boorer (and now that other guy) are really bland co-writers. Johnny Marr is out of the question, but seriously, can't he give Stephen Street a call? It's not like Blur's recording, so he doesn't have anything else to do. (That said, I have heard Years of Refusal, and if you think he's been on a roll, you'll probably really like it or even love it; it sounds great, he's singing great. Whyte/Boorer/new guy still aren't good enough). > I also didn't feel that way about U2's ALL THAT YOU CAN LEAVE BEHIND, > which along with the song selection on their 1990-2000 comp, I saw as > a full-scale retreat from/disavowal of a decade of extremely > worthwhile experimentation. So in that case, I never liked > it in the first place. :) This is pretty much where I've come to re: ATYCLB (and How to Dismember a Coldplay Song) are extreme overreactions to the failings of Pop. Not that I like Pop all that much, but at least it was an ambitious mess instead of a bland one. It seems like the lesson they took from Pop was "don't experiment" instead of "bother to write songs that are good enough." Both feel like singles with filler (well, single in the latter case; I do love "Vertigo" even though I don't want to; everything else sounds like Coldplay). The new one feels like they finally took the right lesson from Pop. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:02:18 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Robyn in Nashville April 6th Anyone planning to attend the Nashville show on April 6th at the Exit/In? I haven't ordered my ticket yet (it'll be all gen admission at the Exit/In), but I will in some near future. My wife is so far iffy on Robyn, so at the moment I'm on my own. Here's hoping it's not Robyn Hitchcock's Jug Band Christmas like his last three Nashville shows have been. I know it's got to be a nice change of pace from his perspective, but from my perspective, I haven't seen a bona fide *Robyn Hitchcock* show since, oh, 1997 or 1998 or thereabouts. And yeah, the budget prohibits travel to Atlanta or elsewhere for a non-Nashville show, so this'll be my one and only live-and-in-person Robyn experience in 2009. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:23:20 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Robyn in Nashville April 6th I think we should start a Facebook petition - Get Robyn Hitchcock to Play a "Normal" Set in Nashville for Miles. C'mon - who's in? On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Anyone planning to attend the Nashville show on April 6th at the > Exit/In? I haven't ordered my ticket yet (it'll be all gen admission > at the Exit/In), but I will in some near future. My wife is so far > iffy on Robyn, so at the moment I'm on my own. > > Here's hoping it's not Robyn Hitchcock's Jug Band Christmas like his > last three Nashville shows have been. I know it's got to be a nice > change of pace from his perspective, but from my perspective, I > haven't seen a bona fide *Robyn Hitchcock* show since, oh, 1997 or > 1998 or thereabouts. And yeah, the budget prohibits travel to Atlanta > or elsewhere for a non-Nashville show, so this'll be my one and only > live-and-in-person Robyn experience in 2009. > > later, > > Miles > > -- > now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:37:24 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Robyn in Nashville April 6th On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM, 2fs wrote: > I think we should start a Facebook petition - Get Robyn Hitchcock to > Play a "Normal" Set in Nashville for Miles. It's ok with me if he plays it in front of everyone else too. I'm also open to letting him pick out two or three of the songs. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:45:21 -0500 From: m swedene Subject: Beatles - Revolution 1 take 20 Nothing from here on this?I had to read it on fricking Google news! Oy! http://jp917.blogspot.com/2009/02/leaked-beatles-revolution-1-take-20.html comments? anyone? Bueller? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:53:50 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles - Revolution 1 take 20 http://www.examiner.com/x-2082-Beatles-Examiner~y2009m2d23-You-say-you-wanna-r evolution-New-Beatles-outtake-spurs-discussion-and-analysis-on-the-net my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 2/24/2009 2:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, m.swedene@gmail.com writes: Nothing from here on this?I had to read it on fricking Google news! Oy! http://jp917.blogspot.com/2009/02/leaked-beatles-revolution-1-take-20.html comments? anyone? Bueller? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:31:06 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: new albums I know I'm gonna love based on first listens A.C. Newman - Get Guilty Grand Duchy - Petit Fours (Grand Duchy is a duo -- Black Francis of the Pixies, and a woman named Violet Clark) Neko Case - Middle Cyclone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:38:46 -0500 From: m swedene Subject: Re: new albums I know I'm gonna love based on first listens Grand Duchy - that is Frank and his wife. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > A.C. Newman - Get Guilty > Grand Duchy - Petit Fours (Grand Duchy is a duo -- Black Francis of the > Pixies, and a woman named Violet Clark) > Neko Case - Middle Cyclone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:46:40 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: new albums I know I'm gonna love based on first listens Good to know.... We claim them both for the state of Oregon! On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM, m swedene wrote: > Grand Duchy - that is Frank and his wife. > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > >> A.C. Newman - Get Guilty >> Grand Duchy - Petit Fours (Grand Duchy is a duo -- Black Francis of the >> Pixies, and a woman named Violet Clark) >> Neko Case - Middle Cyclone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:13:06 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: alphabetisation . but that's different from jeff's question of what to do about un-resolved ambiguity issues (my suggestion: e-mail the band and ask). questions such as you're posing here don't seem to me to be a "problem"; merely an issue of personal preference. for instance: i've got my zumpano and ace newman solo records filed in the new pornographers directory; while the other band-members' solo records are filed in their own directories. but...i've got all beatles alumni solo records filed in the beatles directory. and...fire theft and enigk solo records filed in the sunny day directory; while foo fighters records are filed in neither the sunny day nor the nirvana directory, but in the foo fighters directory. and so on. so it's pretty inconsistent. i just do what feels right on a case-by-case basis. but in all cases, the files are *tagged* correctly (that is, according to the artist's name as given on the disc's spine). and if i change my mind, it's easier than sin to move things around -- unlike with CDs, where such an undertaking can be a major ordeal. bottom line: not a problem, but a great opportunity to try out different filing schemes *without* wasting days upon days of one's time. could anyfeg ever dream of a nicer set-up? i daresay anyfeg could not! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:27:30 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock's Penmanship Promotes Piracy On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:44 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > http://i.gizmodo.com/5158933/academy-award-winning-films-distributed-for-free-at-kopime-stations I like how one of the commenters said he would support the piracy movement by stealing the entire unit off the wall. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:39:56 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Robyn in Nashville April 6th On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM, 2fs wrote: > > I think we should start a Facebook petition - Get Robyn Hitchcock to > > Play a "Normal" Set in Nashville for Miles. > > It's ok with me if he plays it in front of everyone else too. I'm > also open to letting him pick out two or three of the songs. Me, I'm a little mystified at no LA appearances outside of the film awards show. Still hoping, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:01:14 -0800 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Amoeba > Wednesday February 25th 7 pm > Robyn Hitchcock > The iconoclastic troubadour celebrates his new release, > Goodnight Oslo, with a special live performance and signing > at Amoeba. Available February 17th on Yep Roc Records. > > Amoeba Records Hollywood 6400 Sunset Blvd. 323-245-6400 > http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/calendars.html Well, I'm going. Can I bring something in to be signed, or are you supposed to purchase things there? Terrence ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #57 *******************************