From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #50 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 17 2009 Volume 17 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Oslo ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Oslo [Jim Davies ] Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) [Sumiko Keay ] more listening necessary [Jill Brand ] do you all know about this? [Jill Brand ] Re: more listening necessary [FSThomas ] Re: more listening necessary [Rex ] Re: more listening necessary ["Stewart C. Russell" ] And Now Back to Buffy... (was Re: more listening necessary) [lep Subject: Re: Oslo HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > i love it too > except for the drumming Actually, I've grown to really like Bill's drumming. It's the core of the Venus Three sound. I had the new album on my crappy car mp3 player in amongst a bunch of other albums. I was on a long drive, and the player doesn't show titles (if you're really lucky it'll show file names, but sometimes only the 8.3 ones), but I was three drum beats into "What You Is" and I thought, "Aha! Mr Rieflin of the Venus Three". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:25:38 +0100 From: Jim Davies Subject: Re: Oslo I'm with Tom now. When I first listened, I loved "I'm Falling", but I was disappointed - a little depressed, even - at the rest. Then "Goodnight Oslo" itself started to grow. Norway makes the world go around, indeed. Then I found myself singing - and loving - "Saturday Groovers". Ha! That took the best part of a year to hit me, but I now think it's fantastic. How could I be so slow? And on the way to the airport yesterday, I decided that "Intricate Thing" was the most wonderful song I'd ever heard in my life. All three of those now rank above "I'm Falling" in my "can't wait to hear these from the Venus 3 live" list. It takes a while to get your expectations out of your head, and leave room for the album to work its (joyful) magic. IMHO. Not entirely sure about "Hurry for the Sky" or "TLC" as yet, but I'm not dismissing anything now. :^) x Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:52:40 -0600 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) Darn it. I'll have to rewatch. Veerrry interesting BSG. Sumi On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: >> xo >> >> p.s. re: BSG "no exit": did anyone catch that so-feg-thread line that >> our gal said in sick bay right towards the end of the show? i did half >> of double-take (which, no lie, somehow my brain thinks is different >> than a single take.) > > Yes! Djini totally got a shout-out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:32:39 -0600 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Re: Dollhouse Perhaps they could do a musical commentary on the 4.5 dvd set. Sumi On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Witzany wrote: > You'd especially expect better from Whedon trufans, who would surely know that the premiere episode was done at the studio's insistence that things get started with more pizazz; the one he originally conceived as kicking things off is down the road a ways. With luck all will be right with the world by the time we get to that one. > > Actually, my Friday night was Whedon-riffic despite the just-OK Dollhouse episode. I finally sat down and watched "Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog". What a knock-out. Forget about Joss doing a serious BSG musical episode, think what a send-up he and his brothers could put together. > > > ---- Original message ---- > First I went... > > Re: Dollhouse: >> >>> It wasn't bad. It had plenty of twists, not surprising since this is >>> Joss we're talking about. He's inserted plenty of hooks to hang future >>> plot twists on. It >>> wasn't a great episode, but Whedon's on record as figuring that it'll >>> take at least seven shows for the foundation to set. >> > > ...and then Sebastian goes... > >>I agree. I get that some people just don't like this kind of show, I get >>that some people might've been mildly interested in the show and >>disappointed, what I *don't* get are people who self-describe as Whedon >>fans and then go on to say they turned off after 15 minutes and won't watch >>the show anymore. I mean, WTF? *None* of the previous Whedon shows had >>great pilots. Few shows do in general, I think. And when you know a show >>won't be primarily plot-based, it kinda stands to reason that you need a >>few episodes to find out if you're interested in the character >>*development*, doesn't it? >> >>So, I really have no idea how much I'm going to like Dollhouse as a series, >>but the people who have written off the series after one epsiode - or even >>just part of one - need to be put out of their misery ... >>-- >>Sebastian Hagedorn >>Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany >>http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ >>"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock > Dave. > > David Witzany ...one of nature's > witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: more listening necessary I have got to get some serious listening time set aside for Goodnight Oslo. It doesn't bother me, but it hasn't grabbed me yet. I want it memorized before I see RH and co. in April. So I ask again, is anyone else going to the Boston show? Jill, who just doesn't get Joss Whedon but who denies no one else his right to ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:18:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: do you all know about this? I got this from a friend: "This sounds like a good thing to do. You can go to this web site and opt out of having both the Yellow Pages and the White Pages delivered to you. I promised a very "Green" relative that I would pass these on. http://www.yellowpagesgoesgreen.org/ And, if you want to know what to do with it, or with other recyclable material, you might be interested in this site: http://www.Earth911.org Pass it on if you are so inclined." Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:31:42 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: more listening necessary Jill Brand wrote: > I have got to get some serious listening time set aside for Goodnight > Oslo. It doesn't bother me, but it hasn't grabbed me yet. I want it > memorized before I see RH and co. in April. I'm on the fence about the April show here in Atlanta. I'll have to put some time in tomorrow on the disc. > Jill, who just doesn't get Joss Whedon but who denies no one else his > right to I wasn't the biggest Buffy fan (though it's something else I should revisit), but Firefly was probably the best sci-fi show yet. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:28:38 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: more listening necessary On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > I have got to get some serious listening time set aside for Goodnight Oslo. > It doesn't bother me, but it hasn't grabbed me yet. I want it memorized > before I see RH and co. in April. > I'm going the opposite route: I plan to catch the tour without having heard the record yet. Just sounds like fun this time around. I love the V3 live. Lots. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:02:46 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more listening necessary I hadn't realised that there was a Toronto date (April 16th - Mod Club; there are worse venues) so I'm there. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:31:31 -0500 From: lep Subject: And Now Back to Buffy... (was Re: more listening necessary) ferris says > Jill Brand wrote: >> Jill, who just doesn't get Joss Whedon but who denies no one else his >> right to > > I wasn't the biggest Buffy fan (though it's something else I should > revisit), but Firefly was probably the best sci-fi show yet. i'm pretty much with ferris on this one (and you KNOW with which point i beg to differ.) i did really enjoy buffy and angel series, but they haven't had much staying power for me. occasionally, i'll rewatch an episode (this is fairly faint praise, as repeat viewings are a strong indicator of a television show's personal worth to me (movies also.) i was going to say that i really only love The Big Questions (well, to be accurate, i should say i love the little questions too, but only when they're sort of painfully little (the only way to explain why I adore Larry David.)) and it's not that buffy and angel don't refer to the big questions, but those shows for me are more like a pleasant evening vs. what i really live for - the 3:00am conversations about god and death and existence and infinity. but then i realized that i would put firefly in the same bucket of the the pleasant evenings vs. the evenings i live for. perhaps it's just that i view firefly as a much more mature story. everything about it seems more "true" to me than buffy or angel series - - the characters, the situations, the world, the compromises. and it's incredibly funny, and the way its funny comes from the way its true, so, for me, it's way more funny than buffy or angel. and with less loss of truth. i believe it was jeff 2fs who once wrote something to the effect that one thing that could really prevent one from liking buffy is not liking/appreciating the genre of comic books. and i think that's the case with me, and i think it helps point out why i view buffy/angel and firefly very differently - at the heart of it, they...are very different. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #50 *******************************