From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #44 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 11 2009 Volume 17 : Number 044 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: easy money [Marc ] Re: easy money [2fs ] that easy money thing [Jill Brand ] "Goodnight Oslo" and...? [Jeremy Osner ] Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? [Jeremy Osner ] Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? [2fs ] Satan's dugout [Great Quail ] Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? [m swedene ] Re: crawdaddy review : Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 by Paul Myers [Rex <] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= [] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= [] Re: easy money [lep ] Re: easy money [2fs ] Re: easy money, what's in a name?, and a feg email address question [Hwy] Ukulele Beatles [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Ukulele Beatles [2fs ] Re: Ukulele Beatles [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards [2fs ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards [2fs ] Re: easy money [Tom Clark ] Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards [Christopher Gross Subject: Re: easy money Tom Clark wrote: > On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Marc wrote: > >> Rex wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Osner >>> wrote: >>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM, 2fs wrote: >>>>> But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - >>>>> that might have something to do with it. >>>> Hey now that's just trying to make trouble, bringing Microsoft into >>>> it... >>> Oh... *that* horned one... >> >> Hey now--not all of us can be Tom Clark and work for Apple. >> > > Sure you can; we're hiring! Let me know when Apple starts up a real Server and Tools division and we'll talk. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:10:27 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: easy money On 2/11/09, lep wrote: > says: > > hysterical ! > > :-D > > have i brought up my issues with that freak emoticon? that big smile > is just...creepy. I just assumed it wasn't a smile but a chin - and it was supposed to look like Jay Leno. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: that easy money thing I thought it was interesting that this person was looking for someone white with short hair between 40 and 60 (I fit right in here) but didn't specify male or female. One would think that if his parents knew the age and hair length of the adviser, they would also know the gender. BTW, a friend of mine sent me the link, and wondered if one would get paid more if he showed up with a pipe and a corduroy jacket with elbow patches. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:39:06 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? Dear Fegs, It seems to me that for some time now Mr. Hitchcock has been releasing his records in like-titled pairs. This strikes me as a good thing; it keeps the albums from getting lonely. Any idea if there is a "Good Morning Reykjavic" in the works? (Did "Olx! Tarantula" have a companion record?) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josx Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:40:13 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? (Or is the untitled "bonus disc" people have been on about fulfilling that role?) If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:57:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > (Or is the untitled "bonus disc" people have been on about fulfilling > that role?) No - if only because both OT and Spooked had their own bonus discs. WHat slightly irks me is that Yep Roc is promoting the bonus disc as having three tracks...when one of them is already on the album. So it's two bonus tracks - not three. I'm not sure why "Up to Our Nex" is there at all... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:32:22 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Satan's dugout Jeff writes, > No matter what else good is going on in the song, it's like you can't > stand garlic, and this incredibly attractive person wants to make love > with you but stinks of garlic. Salma Hayek? You would turn down Salma Hayek if she had just tossed back a few garlic knots? Wow, man, that's really hating garlic. > It's like the way some teenaged, > Christianity-damaged kid decides he's really into Satan - he's still > buying the whole religion thing, he's just playing for the other team. I rather believe he's on the same team -- he's still a Christian! If he really wants to play for the other team, he'd have switched to Hinduism or something. Or just dropped out of the game altogether. I used to date a Satanist. She got so pissed at me when I referred to her as a Christian. She honestly believed that Hell was waiting her, where she'd be rewarded with, you know...beer, drugs, heavy metal, sex, graphically detailed scenes of her abusive father being eternally tortured by demons, etc. I also dated a Mormon and a couple-three Wiccans around the same time. It was never good for my relationship when I reached that particular point when, after months of good humor, in a moment of weakness, I'd finally break down and say, -- "You can't *seriously* believe that, can you?" Then one day, I asked myself that same question about quantum physics. I've been an agnostic ever since. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:34:37 -0500 From: m swedene Subject: Re: "Goodnight Oslo" and...? I thought it was an error that "up to our nex" was on it again. It is like getting 2 b-sides.Oh well. As for the song itself, it has grown on me. I like the live versions better. Mike On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > (Or is the untitled "bonus disc" people have been on about fulfilling > > that role?) > > No - if only because both OT and Spooked had their own bonus discs. > > WHat slightly irks me is that Yep Roc is promoting the bonus disc as > having three tracks...when one of them is already on the album. So > it's two bonus tracks - not three. I'm not sure why "Up to Our Nex" is > there at all... > > > -- > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:35:39 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: crawdaddy review : Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 by Paul Myers On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, wrote: > Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 > by Paul Myers > Robyn Hitchcock & the Venus 3 > Goodnight Oslo > (Yep Roc, 2009) > Hmm... quite a few references to Robyn and Rick 12's, which, truth be told, he's hardly ever played. One can see where you'd get the idea, but... - -Rex (Even Buck's 12-string was an Epiphone last time I saw the V3!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:40:18 -0800 From: Rex Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:08 AM, 2fs wrote: > On 2/10/09, Rex wrote: > > > Okay, I've used the term and heard it used a bunch of times in studio > > situations, and here's what I thought everyone in the room meant, > although I > > could be wrong: an effect-- probably delay or reverb-- was added to an > > existing track being played backwards, and rerecorded. The new track, > when > > rolled forward, was the same as the original vocal or guitar or mellotron > or > > whatever, but featuring an anticipatory backwards-sounding "pre-echo" > that > > starts before each note and rises to meet it. And sounds > > freaky/psychedelic/Satanic depending on the circumstances. > > And that's another wrinkle: you're not reversing the sound, you're > merely adding "preverb" to it. Not quite, at least in the tape iteration: you're making a forward recording of the original track playing backward with effect added, then reversing the new track for preverb. Insane for it yet? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:48:24 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:08 AM, 2fs wrote: >> >> On 2/10/09, Rex wrote: >> >> > Okay, I've used the term and heard it used a bunch of times in studio >> > situations, and here's what I thought everyone in the room meant, >> > although I >> > could be wrong: an effect-- probably delay or reverb-- was added to an >> > existing track being played backwards, and rerecorded. The new track, >> > when >> > rolled forward, was the same as the original vocal or guitar or >> > mellotron or >> > whatever, but featuring an anticipatory backwards-sounding "pre-echo" >> > that >> > starts before each note and rises to meet it. And sounds >> > freaky/psychedelic/Satanic depending on the circumstances. >> >> And that's another wrinkle: you're not reversing the sound, you're >> merely adding "preverb" to it. > > Not quite, at least in the tape iteration: you're making a forward > recording of the original track playing backward with effect added, then > reversing the new track for preverb. Well, I don't know from tape-based recording - but I think we're sorta saying the same thing: (1) record sound, normally (2) reverse it (whether tape-wise or digitally), (3) add effect, (4) re-reverse (i.e., back to normal): result is swooshing-in ghostly echo or 'verb *before* the sound it's echoing. Correct? One thing I once knew, but had forgotten and was reminded of by reading those Wikipedia articles: the nature of tape-reversal means the channels are also switched...which is, of course, not true with digital reversal unless you do that also. That means if you hear a backwards version of a track, you can tell whether it was tape-reversed or digitally reversed (if you have the fwd. version). Unless they did it digitally and are trying to fool you by also having switched the channels... Please note: doing this will cause Satan to laugh with delight, the day the music died. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com PS: I did not know this when I invented my alias for the list (Pigworkers Local 47) but apparently "47" is a bit of in joke on BSG and a few other s/f serieseses. Coincidence! (Actually, I initially went with some other number - didn't look right. Had a hell of time coming up with the right number - if I recall, 47 was my 23rd choice...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:50:43 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: easy money 2fs says: > On 2/11/09, lep wrote: >> says: >> > hysterical ! >> > :-D >> >> have i brought up my issues with that freak emoticon? that big smile >> is just...creepy. > > I just assumed it wasn't a smile but a chin - and it was supposed to > look like Jay Leno. i'm thinking steve tyler. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:54:34 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: easy money On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, lep wrote: > 2fs says: >> On 2/11/09, lep wrote: >>> says: >>> > hysterical ! >>> > :-D >>> >>> have i brought up my issues with that freak emoticon? that big smile >>> is just...creepy. >> >> I just assumed it wasn't a smile but a chin - and it was supposed to >> look like Jay Leno. > > i'm thinking steve tyler. Whereas the subject line keeps making me think it must be about King Crimson. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:12:28 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: easy money, what's in a name?, and a feg email address question actually , it's my new name i'm the artist formally known as hwycdrrev also i have a question what's the difference between fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org fegmaniax@smoe.org peace and love :-D my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 2/11/2009 11:02:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, softboygirl@gmail.com writes: :-D **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:05:58 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Ukulele Beatles Just found out about this site: http://thebeatlescompleteonukulele.blogspot.com/ Covers and interesting discussion of the songs. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josx Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:16:03 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Ukulele Beatles On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Just found out about this site: > http://thebeatlescompleteonukulele.blogspot.com/ Covers and > interesting discussion of the songs. As with any such project covering all the Beatles' songs, I eagerly await the version of "Revolution 9"...for ukulele! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:39:02 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Ukulele Beatles it needs some of the legendary Tiny Tim covers of Fab tunes my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 2/11/2009 12:18:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: As with any such project covering all the Beatles' songs, I eagerly await the version of "Revolution 9"...for ukulele! **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:56:47 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards um, you've switched horses in mid-stream. before, you'd said that "boxset" is "more appropriate" because the sets are no longer housed in boxes -- an argument that, as i say, is to my way of thinking just...bizarre. while i'll grant that the new one is at least specious, it's not much more than that. see, no matter how it's spelt, people are going to pronounce it however they want to. you really think that if it's written "boxed", people will feel compelled to make pains to enunciate the "ed"? of course not! but that's no reason to not use the more logical formulation when writing it. and, hey, i don't really care if people write "box set". i can't say that i don't mentally note that it's incorrect. but that's as far as it goes -- unlike, e.g., when people write "it's" rather that "its", in which case i *stop reading the post or piece entirely* and move on to something else; or in "literally"-abuse, wherein i go into a kind of minor seizure (or what). however, it clearly *does* bother y'all (well, at least it does jeff n.). and if you want me to *stop* writing "boxed", you're going to have to present a *convincing* argument in favour of my doing so. and i'm afraid y'all are to this point in time doing an incredibly piss-poor job of that. isn't that the basis of gilbert gottfried's act? *not* hypothetical, alas! do you mean every song by *every* artist they've been asking you to check out? 'cause if so, the choices they've been giving you -- especially presuming they're aware of your signifiers -- have been wanting. i'm not going to say that i'm not sorely disappointed by pretty much all of the heralded and hyped metal acts these days; principally because i too hate the "cookie monster" vocal approach. but, shit, there *are* exceptions, and your friends *ought* to be able to steer you towards them. heh, i logged on to the KISW website the other day, 'cause back in the '80s they used to do a "top 1,000" songs, as voted on by the listeners, at the end of every year; and i wanted to see if they still did that, and if so, how many kinks songs would be on there? (they *do* still do it, it turns out; but the list is separated into hundred-song tranches, and plus the formatting's weird; so i decided not to investigate further. it's at , if miles or somebody else is interested in doing a little research project.) ANYWAYS, the site's mouse-cursor icon is a devil-horns hand, which i thought was just about the coolest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:21:07 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > do you mean every song by *every* artist they've been asking you to check > out? 'cause if so, the choices they've been giving you -- especially > presuming they're aware of your signifiers -- have been wanting. i'm not > going to say that i'm not sorely disappointed by pretty much all of the > heralded and hyped metal acts these days; principally because i too hate > the "cookie monster" vocal approach. but, shit, there *are* exceptions, > and your friends *ought* to be able to steer you towards them. I'd basically hand Jeff a home-brew best-of David Lee Roth-era Van Halen, and a copy of AC/DC's HIGHWAY TO HELL (though POWERAGE and BACK IN BLACK are also acceptable choices). Maybe Motorhead's NO SLEEP TIL HAMMERSMITH too. > heh, i logged on to the KISW website the other day, 'cause back in the '80s > they used to do a "top 1,000" songs, as voted on by the listeners, at the > end of every year; and i wanted to see if they still did that, and if so, > how many kinks songs would be on there? (they *do* still do it, it turns > out; but the list is separated into hundred-song tranches, and plus the > formatting's weird; so i decided not to investigate further. it's at > , if miles or somebody else is interested in > doing a little research project.) 999-900: no Kinks 899-800: no Kinks 799-700: no Kinks 699-600: no Kinks 599-500: no Kinks 499-400: no Kinks 399-300: no Kinks 299-200: no Kinks 199-100: no Kinks 99-1: no Kinks later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:24:47 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Rain > the use of backwards recording can be credited to either one > with no real loss of truth. There's something eerily big-brotherish about that phrase. I guess "loss of truth" is something we've become sensitive to in recent years... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:27:40 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > sounds at the end of box and the start of set make the word more awkward to > say and less appealing to hear.> > > um, you've switched horses in mid-stream. before, you'd said that "boxset" > is "more appropriate" because the sets are no longer housed in boxes -- an > argument that, as i say, is to my way of thinking just...bizarre. Actually, Jeff Dwarf said the quoted bit, whereas I think I said the bit about not being in boxes - so, not switching horses, two different horses (both named Jeff)... > however, it clearly *does* bother y'all (well, at least it does jeff n.). > and if you want me to *stop* writing "boxed", you're going to have to > present a *convincing* argument in favour of my doing so. and i'm afraid > y'all are to this point in time doing an incredibly piss-poor job of that. Oh, you can write what you want. But to me, the adjective "boxed" means something like "item or items that have been placed in a box." And to me, that's not the essential trait of a box set - instead, it's that it's a compilation of items (typically), and its "boxness" is a question of *volume* (a "box" is a larger package than a "jacket" or a "sleeve," say). So to me, "box set" more accurately conveys what it is: a large, box-like collection of (in this case) songs. I'll concede that this is hair-splitting. I think I'm on firmer ground with "mix tape" vs. "mixed tape." First, "mixed" has a completely separate meaning in the world of recorded music...so there's a potential confusion there. Aside from that, "mixed" conveys no notion of order, as if it's a random collection of songs put on a tape (or a disc or a playlist - whatever). It's a "mix tape" (disc/playlist) because the "mix" is an ordered array of particularly chosen tracks. The key aspect of the mix tape is that it is a mix - *not* that it is "mixed." (I could also say that "mixed" implies something like blending, which is of course not often the case.) Or: the adjectival aspect of the phrase comes from the noun "mix" functioning adjectivally (thereby highlighting its status as a mix), not from the past participle formed from the verb "mix." (Similar grammatical argument applies to "box set" vs. "boxed set.") And yeah, there's also the pronunciation issue...but that's not very relevant. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: that easy money thing Jill Brand wrote: > I thought it was interesting that this person was looking > for someone white with short hair between 40 and 60 (I fit > right in here) but didn't specify male or female. One > would think that if his parents knew the age and hair length > of the adviser, they would also know the gender. > > BTW, a friend of mine sent me the link, and wondered if one > would get paid more if he showed up with a pipe and a > corduroy jacket with elbow patches. Part of me kinda hopes that just in the last minute of pulling this off, whoever takes this job suddenly says: your kid's paying me $65 to pretend to be the advisor, but $70, I'll fess up. That she (it was a she, right) unknowingly hires a big of a nutjob who cracks at the last possible second. But, I am an asshole. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:37:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: >> do you mean every song by *every* artist they've been asking you to check >> out? 'cause if so, the choices they've been giving you -- especially >> presuming they're aware of your signifiers -- have been wanting. i'm not >> going to say that i'm not sorely disappointed by pretty much all of the >> heralded and hyped metal acts these days; principally because i too hate >> the "cookie monster" vocal approach. but, shit, there *are* exceptions, >> and your friends *ought* to be able to steer you towards them. > > I'd basically hand Jeff a home-brew best-of David Lee Roth-era Van > Halen, and a copy of AC/DC's HIGHWAY TO HELL (though POWERAGE and BACK > IN BLACK are also acceptable choices). Maybe Motorhead's NO SLEEP TIL > HAMMERSMITH too. See, to me, these fall into the genre "hard rock" (possible exception for Motorhead...then, I haven't heard much of it. Actually I think the only Motorhead song I know is "Ace of Spades." Which does, to be fair, rawk. Note: Lemmy's vocal approach is *not* cookie monster, because it still has character beyond its hoarseness and roughness, because you can make out actual English words, and because he sings pitches (more or less). The true cookie monster vocal approaches white noise in its indistinctness of both enunciation and pitch. It's just a big ugly guttural roar. (Note also that my original comment specified metal "in the last 15-20 years" - which, I believe, excludes all of Miles' suggested choices. While we're at it: I can have a fondness for early Black Sabbath as well, so I suppose this means that someone trying to get me to enjoy metal should focus on the '70s and early '80s...) Another key difference: all those hard rock albums above still *swing*. The metal rhythms I've heard in the last 15-20 years turn into really mechanical, almost inhuman things that rarely have any kind of soul or swing to them. I think that's probably an aesthetic decision: to be more powerful, more intense, more evil, etc., than mere humans can achieve ... but again, I just don't enjoy it. You might even begin to get the idea that if I actually do like something that's close to metal, I find myself finding ways to recategorize as not-metal. Probably true... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:40:02 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Satan's dugout > Then one day, I asked myself that same question about quantum physics. I've > been an agnostic ever since. > > --Quail > Well, if you define faith as belief in things unseen, that would pretty well cover that whole area... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:40:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: easy money On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Marc wrote: > Let me know when Apple starts up a real Server and Tools division > and we'll talk. Oh snap! (Seriously, point taken) Speaking of easy money, I recently signed up to be an Amazon Mechanical Turk, where I carry out mundane internet research tasks for mere pennies. So far I've made $1.21. Suck it, recession!! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:54:03 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > do you mean every song by *every* artist they've been asking you to check > out? 'cause if so, the choices they've been giving you -- especially > presuming they're aware of your signifiers -- have been wanting. i'm not > going to say that i'm not sorely disappointed by pretty much all of the > heralded and hyped metal acts these days; principally because i too hate > the "cookie monster" vocal approach. but, shit, there *are* exceptions, > and your friends *ought* to be able to steer you towards them. Lately I've been listening to a current metal act called The Sword and a 90s band called Sleep. Neither relies on cookie monster vocals, though they do shout a bit. They also have a lot more sense of rhythm than the average "just play each instrument straight ahead as fast as possible" extreme metal band. You guys should check 'em out. (Skeletonwitch is another band with a sense of rhythm, but they do feature cookie monster vocals aplenty.) - --Chris "listening to all S artists" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:57:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and my "johnson" is just as long(er) spelt backwards or forwards Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > the "s" sounds at the end of box and the start of set make the word > more awkward to say and less appealing to hear.> > > um, you've switched horses in mid-stream. before, you'd said > that "boxset" is "more appropriate" because the sets are no > longer housed in boxes -- an argument that, as i say, is to my way of > thinking just...bizarre. No, I'm just noting the multiples horses in the stream. Plus, I'm pretty sure I was drunk when I typed my initial explanation. And it should be boxset because "boxed" implies that it is a series of objects in a box, but while that may be technically true in some senses, it's really a boxset is a large object in many pieces in some box; the box is merely the part of overall object used for housing. The box isn't merely a container, it's part of the object in question, the same way that the sleeve is part of a vinyl album/ep/whatever. > while i'll grant that the new one is at least specious, it's not much > more than that. see, no matter how it's spelt, people are > going to pronounce it however they want to. you really think that if > it's written "boxed", people will feel compelled to make pains to > enunciate the "ed"? No, but it's a failure to pronounce the "t" sound that led to the "ed" configuration to be left behind as anachronistic; these things have only really been around 25 years -- Biograph was really the first prominent one, but there were undoubtedly a few before then, I think my dad had some Dick Clark thing of shitty masters of old American Bandstand hits -- so the name was always in flux until your side lost the debate. > of course not! but that's no reason to not use the more logical > formulation when writing it. Except that most logical formulation is to write it closest to who it's pronounced. Even in a language as fucked up -- albeit gloriously so -- as English. > and, hey, i don't really care if people write "box set". i can't say > that i don't mentally note that it's incorrect. Except it's not. And "boxed set" isn't so much wrong as it's an anachronistic affection on your part, like still writing "base ball" or whatever (and yes, I do know someone who continues to insist in 2009 on writing it base ball; in his defense, he is a twat; no wait, that's not a defense). We all have has a few affectations akin to it: I always write "theatre" instead of theater, which is not preferred in American (nor are dreamt, spelt, etc, and I like them all better too; the extraneous "u" in words like color, though, that's just crap); I want to strangle whoever the pigfucker at allmusic who decided that they were suddenly now The Ramones, instead of just Ramones. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #44 *******************************