From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #43 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 11 2009 Volume 17 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence [2fs ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= [] Re: easy money [2fs ] Re: easy money [Jeremy Osner ] Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence [Rex ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= [] Re: easy money [Rex ] Re: easy money [Marc ] Re: The Who / bruford / Rush [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Video Of The Moment [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me [Michael Sweeney ] Re: easy money [lep ] Re: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me [Rex ] Re: recent music threads ["Marc Holden" ] Re: recent music threads ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Goodnight Oslo ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: place name bands ["craigie*" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:35:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence On 2/10/09, James Dignan wrote: > I agree entirely. There are genres I don't like, but I wouldn'tt describe > any off them as bad. Generally, I'd agree...or like to - but some genres seem *defined* by things I don't like. For example, nearly everything that makes metal metal, at least in the last 15-20 years, is something I hate: cookie monster vocals, lyrics alternating between "shocking" and pretentious, keyboard orchestrations that make Keith Emerson seem a paragon of taste and restraint...even the characteristic metal guitar sound and downstroke attack (I think that's right) is so played out by this point... In a sense it's unfair - as every genre has its ticks that make it be what it is - but every time I hear those things, I find myself thinking, geez, couldn't you come up with anything more original? I could explain why I dislike those things...like th vocal thing: aside from just sounding like shit, the monster vocal thing is, presumably, supposed to be evil and extreme...but if you it all the freakin time - if you do *anything* all the freakin time - it loses its effectiveness. It's like a (hopefully hypothetical) SNL skit about a guy who screams everything: at first it's funny (the guy, *and* the skit), but the more they come back to it, the more they keep milking the one bit over and over again, the less it's funny and the more it's just irritating. We're not scared, you're not Satan. (And if you think you are, you're insane. And if you think being Satan is cool, you're insane *and* a moron with no sense of human empathy.) I will say that most metal musicians are very skilled technicians on their instruments. But as I've said, that doesn't make it musical. You could build a machine that could shred faster than any guitarist alive - - so what? Note: if it seems to metal fans that I just haven't heard the right metal, know that over the years I've tried, several times, with the aid of intelligent, broadminded metal fans (a DJ who does the metal show on a local indie station, a well-respected web critic, etc.), to hear a broad swathe of the genre...and *every* time one of the above signifiers kicks in (plus a few more I can't think of) - and that's on nearly every song - it's an instant turnoff. No matter what else good is going on in the song, it's like you can't stand garlic, and this incredibly attractive person wants to make love with you but stinks of garlic. Beyond all that...there's just an emotional misfit between the music and me. I know - I'm sure critics of other genres can say something similar...but it seems like the whole attitude and approach of metal, lyrically and musically, is the sort of thing a 14-year-old boy would come up with and enjoy. (And not a terribly well-adjusted one at that.) There seems this incredible need for the opinions of others - even if those opinions are negative. It's like the way some teenaged, Christianity-damaged kid decides he's really into Satan - he's still buying the whole religion thing, he's just playing for the other team. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:48:01 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= On 2/10/09, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > > > (Of course, sometimes "hidden messages" were put on > >> in reverse, for fun...but the general use of "backmasking" is a sad > >> comment on the power of Jesoids to influence culture.) > >> > > > > You sure about that Jeff? I've only ever heard it intended to imply that a > > "mask" - that is, an additional recorded layer - has been placed onto a > > previously recorded track. IIRC, "mask" is an early, pre-multitrack > > technology, name for what is now called an overdub, since it covers previous > > material - not necessarily with the intention of hiding, but rather of > > adding material. > > > > I think you're both right-- that is, it was an existing term before the > Fundies got ahold of it; they didn't know what the hell it meant, but it > sounded sinister, and the term pretty much came to popular use with that > extra, manufactured connotation grafted onto it. If Wikipedia is to be trusted, "backmasking" isn't quite the same term as "backward masking" - and the latter was incorrectly used for the former. "Backward masking" is used in a sense similar to James's description. However, his "overdub" definition doesn't quite fit - since one doesn't have to overdub to reverse a tape. You could have a tape-reversed passage of just one person's voice, or guitar, with no overdubs whatsoever. (Also, I'm confused: if it's "pre-multitrack," how could it "add" rather than "hide"? If you have only one track, recording anything over what's already on teh tape covers it up, doesn't it?) There's also a fundamental (ahem) confusion: there ought to be a distinction between something that, on the recording, was recorded in the opposite direction (you hear it "backwards") and the kind of stuff the fundamentalists claimed rock records did: where if you *listened to "Stairway to Heaven" backwards* you'd hear "satanic messages." *That* sense of "backmasking" means that you hear it *forwards* but the "masked" message is revealed when you listen to it "backwards" (even though it was recorded "forwards"), whereas tape-reversed sounds and voices are the opposite (when you reverse the recording, you're hearing it in the *forward* direction, in time-forward mode). My memory is that I never heard the term "backmasking" until the whole "satanic" controversies starting coming up. Prior to that, I remember being 11 or 12 and reading about the Beatles' use of reversed recordings...but I don't believe they ever used the term "backmasking" but "backwards recording" or "reversed" etc. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:50:23 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: easy money On 2/10/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my > >> brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell > > > > > > Is it just me and Josi Saramago, or did this sig not have parentheses in it > > before? > > > Yeah -- they have always showed up as square brackets in my mail client. In mine, they always showed up as a pair of red-eyed goats breathing sulfurous fumes. But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - that might have something to do with it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:05:17 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: easy money On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM, 2fs wrote: > But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - > that might have something to do with it. Hey now that's just trying to make trouble, bringing Microsoft into it... If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josx Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:46:07 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:35 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 2/10/09, James Dignan wrote: > > > I agree entirely. There are genres I don't like, but I wouldn'tt > describe > > any off them as bad. > > Generally, I'd agree...or like to - but some genres seem *defined* by > things I don't like. Yeah, but even there, you're smart enough to say that you don't *like* those aspects of it, rather than that they are *bad*. You state your feelings very strongly-- hell, you state *my* feelings very strongly-- but you're not speaking as an absolutist. And yeah, everything else you said, plus I also dislike all those '80's "hair bands" which were, at the time and nearly universally, also called "heavy metal", even if they've been, like, dismembered from the Metal Board of Affiliations or whatever. Per Sonic Youth, Satan is boring. For some completely unrelated reason (it actually had to to do with album artwork searches) I had just run into the Wikipedia backward-masking article a few days before this, and one of the weirdest things is the roster of artists who were associated with it-- I'm looking at ELO, mostly-- and how the "debate" around it was such a big deal at the time that the artists felt beholden to respond (the ELO record "Secret Messages")... and the fact that it this remove it signifies not at all. People thought Jeff Lynne was Satanic? I mean, some might argue that he is, but not in *that* way. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:53:30 -0800 From: Rex Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 2/10/09, Rex wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, James Dignan >wrote: > > > > > > > (Of course, sometimes "hidden messages" were put on > > >> in reverse, for fun...but the general use of "backmasking" is a sad > > >> comment on the power of Jesoids to influence culture.) > > >> > > > > > > You sure about that Jeff? I've only ever heard it intended to imply > that a > > > "mask" - that is, an additional recorded layer - has been placed onto > a > > > previously recorded track. IIRC, "mask" is an early, pre-multitrack > > > technology, name for what is now called an overdub, since it covers > previous > > > material - not necessarily with the intention of hiding, but rather of > > > adding material. > > > > > > > > I think you're both right-- that is, it was an existing term before the > > Fundies got ahold of it; they didn't know what the hell it meant, but it > > sounded sinister, and the term pretty much came to popular use with that > > extra, manufactured connotation grafted onto it. > > If Wikipedia is to be trusted, "backmasking" isn't quite the same term > as "backward masking" - and the latter was incorrectly used for the > former. "Backward masking" is used in a sense similar to James's > description. > > However, his "overdub" definition doesn't quite fit - Okay, I've used the term and heard it used a bunch of times in studio situations, and here's what I thought everyone in the room meant, although I could be wrong: an effect-- probably delay or reverb-- was added to an existing track being played backwards, and rerecorded. The new track, when rolled forward, was the same as the original vocal or guitar or mellotron or whatever, but featuring an anticipatory backwards-sounding "pre-echo" that starts before each note and rises to meet it. And sounds freaky/psychedelic/Satanic depending on the circumstances. In the digital age, the tape process is irrelevant and you're just adding an effect to the track that simulates the same thing. I think. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:55:16 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: easy money On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM, 2fs wrote: > > But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - > > that might have something to do with it. > > Hey now that's just trying to make trouble, bringing Microsoft into it... Oh... *that* horned one... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:07:20 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: easy money Rex wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM, 2fs wrote: >>> But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - >>> that might have something to do with it. >> Hey now that's just trying to make trouble, bringing Microsoft into it... > > > Oh... *that* horned one... > Hey now--not all of us can be Tom Clark and work for Apple. 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Now that I coulda translated... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:24:47 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: who slept with who's wife ? http://www.boston.com/ae/music/cd_reviews/articles/2009/02/09/still_brilliant_ after_all_these_years/ Van Morrison Astral Weeks: Live at The Hollywood Bowl Listen to the Lion ESSENTIAL "Sweet Thing" His pal Peter Wolf remembers how Morrison was broke and slept with his wife, Janet Planet, on a mattress on the floor and would have to go to Wolf's apartment to make long-distance phone calls. my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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As frontman for the Soft Boys, Hitchcock first gained our attention as the Syd Barrett of the post-punk paisley scene, a mantle which he continued to hold, notably, when backed by the Egyptians, with whom he briefly tipped his toe in the mainstream with the 1991 near-hit "So You Think You're In Love" from the radio-friendly Perspex Island. Whatbs increasingly clear is that, no matter whatbs going on in the backing tracks, Hitchcock is, at heart, an emotionally frank folk singer with a genuine knack for translating complex emotional states into startlingly original poetry. This candor has been even more visible in his recent work with the Venus 3, comprised of fellow travelers and Minus 5 members Peter Buck, Scott McCaughey, and Bill Rieflin. Having released the acclaimed OlC)! Tarantula back in 2006, RH & the V3 have returned with Goodnight Oslo, aided and abetted by guests Colin Meloy (Decemberists), Morris Windsor (Egyptians/Soft Boys), Sean Nelson (Harvey Danger), Welsh singer Lianne Francis, and horn player Terry Edwards. Goodnight Oslo finds the 55-year-old Englishman blending his past personas more cohesively than ever, culminating in a portrait of an artist increasingly comfortable with both who he has been and who he has become. Itbs a compelling and confident work and one of his best albums in years. Over some jarring Memphis-style horns and bluesy female backing vocals, opening track bWhat You Isb dwells on both personal reinvention and the importance of living in the moment. bIt doesnbt matter what you was,b Hitchcock and Francis sing in the chorus, bitbs what you is, and what you is is what you are.b The chooglinb groove may make allusions to Creedence Clearwater Revivalb s bSuzie Qb, but Hitchcockbs vibe is ultimately more Dylan than Fogerty: b You might have been Columbia, releasing orange 45s (how does it feel?) / You might have been the Empress Bee and her furry little hives (buzz, buzz!).b After opening this can of bees, Hitchcock ventures into Soft Boys territory as a jangly 12-string guitar fades in, and the darkly insistent bYour Head Hereb finds our dour troubadour declaring that hebd bwalk a thousand miles to be alone.b Before it all gets too grim, however, bSaturday Grooversb bounds in like a crowded sidewalk full of weekend shoppers as honking horns and full-throated chorus singers, including Meloy, engage in jaunty call-and-response over a vaguely Kinks-ian ensemble. Next, bI'm Fallingb returns, ever so gently, to the existential exploration of the bthin line between what you are and what you arenbt,b admitting, bIb m afraid of loving you, and youbre afraid I canbt.b The Dylan-ish Hitchcock returns soon after, only now hebs in a bHurry for the Skyb as a shuffling train rhythm underscores the itchiness of a man in urgent need to be somewhere else. Just what hebs running from is never clear, but bSixteen Yearsb, co-written with Buck, offers clues. bSixteen years, and all I got was high,b sings Hitchcock over a languid, almost Floyd-ian guitarscape before ending with the cryptic plea; bDonbt let me know my name.b The mood is elevated for a moment by the up-tempo bUp to Our Nexb, recently featured in Jonathan Demmebs Rachel Getting Married. The perils of being lost in love are undercut by a decidedly joyful ambiance, yet therebs not a hint of angst or irony in Hitchcockbs voice when he sings, bForget yourself, and maybe youbll forget me / I donbt need this.b The playful bIntricate Thingb expounds on the time-honored subject of blove between a woman and a man,b although judging by the sprightly nature of the tune, it would seem to be, as John Lennon might say, nothing to get hung about. In fact, the moody aura of Lennon hangs over the albumbs last two songs in both their implications of imminent death and their fascination with anesthetization. Itbs here that Hitchcock truly trips out in a manner most beloved by fans of both the Soft Boys and Egyptians eras. bTLCb is concerned with neither reality shows about obesity nor a certain b 90s female pop rap trio, but rather with sense-numbing pharmacology. The chorus lyric consists of the phrase bTryptisol. Librium. 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All thatbs left is to turn out the lights and say bGoodnight Oslob, a Venus 3 tour de force and one last chance for Buck and Hitchcock to hoist their Byrds-y Rickenbackers in an intense and impressive big finale. bItbs just Norwegian speed And Norway makes the world go round Like you go round in circles all the time Goodnight Oslob The magic, the menace, the impressionist lyrics, the cut-to-the-heart empathy buttressed by the surrealist humor; all of these sides are present in Goodnight Oslo, blended more seamlessly than ever by the talented Mr. Hitchcock who, like Nick Lowe, has evolved into an elder statesman of songcraft, up to his neck in prolific talent. http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/Review/Robyn-Hitchcock-and-the-Venus-3-Goo dnight-Oslo.html Listen: Various Tracks [at myspace.com] Tags: Robyn Hitchcock, Goodnight Oslo, Yep Roc, Soft Boys my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:10:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: easy money On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Marc wrote: > Rex wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Jeremy Osner >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:50 PM, 2fs >>> wrote: >>>> But then, my mail-reader is Microsoft Hellbook(tm) - >>>> that might have something to do with it. >>> Hey now that's just trying to make trouble, bringing Microsoft >>> into it... >> Oh... *that* horned one... > > Hey now--not all of us can be Tom Clark and work for Apple. > Sure you can; we're hiring! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:40:29 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: recent music threads the real Sebastian added this thought to my ranting: - -- Marc Holden is rumored to have mumbled on 10. Februar 2009 14:16:15 -0700 regarding re: recent music threads: >> and reaching further back to favorite vocalists: >> male: ... and Glenn >> Mercer (the Feelies) >Sweet Jesus! As you know I'm a great Feelies fan as well, but I'd *never* >pick Glenn as a great singer. I probably like Mercer's voice, as well as Lanegan's and Doe's, because they are in a low enough range for me to more comfortably (but ineptly) sing along with while in the car. The Feelies album Only Life and any of the first four X albums are some of my favorite albums for driving back to Arizona from California in the middle of the night. They keep me more alert than espresso and ginseng. Their voices most likely also resonate a bit better in the somewhat limited range of my damaged hearing. Lower range Costello works well, too. Warren Zevon is generally in around the right area, or Bowie singing "Putting Out Fire (With Gasoline)". Klaus Nomi is just a bit too high and Johnny Cash dips down too far. I really don't pick my favorite singers for the "greatness" of their voices, but rather for my enjoyment of their singing. The material they write/select is a huge factor, too. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:00:27 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: recent music threads Jeff taunted mercilessly: >> Goodnight Oslo: >> Came yesterday (with the bonus disc). >Wow - you really like it a lot. Thanks Jeff. Looks like I wasted my money on that "EX" shirt. No one will take it seriously now. I also noticed this typo was left in that post concerning the new album, "Liking it but insane for it yet. Not disappointed either." Obviously I meant to say "Liking it but NOT insane for it yet." Thought I had fixed that, but maybe something made a key stick... Or maybe I meant to say "Licking it insane, but not came yesterday. With bonus disc, not disappointed either.", whatever that means. Later, Marc np--"Just Lust" from the Buzzcocks box set Inventory ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:30:57 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Goodnight Oslo 2fs wrote: > > I heard two-three tracks off an AC album a few years back, liked 'em > well enough (the one I remember is "Who'll Win a Rabbit"), picked up > the CD for cheap...and didn't really like it - thought it was too > rambling. One doesn't exactly listen to AC for focus. Sun Tongs, the album you have, is the first one from them I consider listenable. Previous ones are ooh argh make it stop territory for me. Feels is slightly better, but deliberately out of tune in a charming sort of a way. Strawberry Jam is entirely awesome, and I have driven long distances (alone, mind) with it on repeat to the exclusion of all else. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:43:05 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: place name bands and the Merton Parkas (Merton Park) I had forgotten about Portishead... oopsy, I feel a quest coming on... c* On 10/02/2009, James Dignan wrote: > > of course, after adding the crap punk band 'London' to the list I'm all out >> of 'bands named after UK places'... answers on a postcard to the usual >> address. >> > > I was thinking of bands like Portishead when I made the initial comment. > > James > > PS - I suppose the Leyton Buzzards are another exception... (but they > halfway mix two placenames in their name (Leyton, Leighton Buzzard) > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:08:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On _e=21?= On 2/10/09, Rex wrote: > Okay, I've used the term and heard it used a bunch of times in studio > situations, and here's what I thought everyone in the room meant, although I > could be wrong: an effect-- probably delay or reverb-- was added to an > existing track being played backwards, and rerecorded. The new track, when > rolled forward, was the same as the original vocal or guitar or mellotron or > whatever, but featuring an anticipatory backwards-sounding "pre-echo" that > starts before each note and rises to meet it. And sounds > freaky/psychedelic/Satanic depending on the circumstances. And that's another wrinkle: you're not reversing the sound, you're merely adding "preverb" to it. That's not the same as either *recording* the sound in reverse (i.e., it sounds like the Man from Another Place on _Twin Peaks_) or simply playing a normal sound backwards... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #43 *******************************