From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #42 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 10 2009 Volume 17 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: FSM works In strange Ways [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Obscure rock trivia at ten paces [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: FSM works In strange Ways [Rex ] Re: In defense of Rick Rubin ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Rain / Paperback Writer [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] easy money [Jill Brand ] Re: easy money [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: easy money [lep ] Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) [2fs ] Re: easy money [Jeremy Osner ] Re: place name bands [James Dignan ] Re: easy money [FSThomas ] Re: easy money [FSThomas ] pls translate this MLS nonsense for me [Stewart Russell ] Re: recent music threads [kevin studyvin ] re: recent music threads [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: easy money [2fs ] Re: Rain [James Dignan ] Re: Rain [James Dignan ] Re: recent music threads [2fs ] Re: backmasking is the work of The =?iso-8859-1?Q?Horn=E9d?= One! [James ] Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence [James Dignan ] Re: recent music threads [Jeff Dwarf ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On e=21?= [R] Re: easy money [Rex ] Re: easy money [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: easy money [Jeremy Osner ] Re: easy money [Tom Clark ] Re: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Rain [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: FSM works In strange Ways Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > otherwise, i'm completely at a loss to suss out the > logic being employed in this argument. It's boxset instead of boxed set because the "t" sound in between the "s" sounds at the end of box and the start of set make the word more awkward to say and less appealing to hear. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Obscure rock trivia at ten paces Great Quail wrote: > 6. Match the professional names above (Roman numerals) with > the actual > persons below (ABCDE): > > I. Elvis Costello=D > II. Geddy Lee= > III. Joey Ramone=B > IV. Fish Philip Fisher, which isn't one of the options. Norwood's brother. I guess he quit Fishbone in late 90s. Norwood and Angelo are the only ones left. Shame the Chili Peppers were the ones that became successful. > V. Jethro Tull=E > > A) Gary Weinrib > B) Jeffry Ross Hyman > C) Derek William Dick > D) Declan McManus > E) No, really, some guy invented the seed drill in the > 1700s "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:47:37 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: FSM works In strange Ways On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > otherwise, i'm completely at a loss to suss out the > > logic being employed in this argument. > > It's boxset instead of boxed set because the "t" sound in between the "s" > sounds at the end of box and the start of set make the word more awkward to > say and less appealing to hear. Unless it's a Bach set. Or a bock set... make mine amber. - -Rext ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:24:12 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: In defense of Rick Rubin Gene Hopstetter wrote: > > You mean Richard Butler? Well, yeah, Butler does too, but Harvey was a luminary in the ill-advised "medieval rock" movement which didn't think that prog was prog enough, so came up with a sort of "progge rocke". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:49:10 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Rain / Paperback Writer Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:24:45 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rain On 2/10/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: Is there any > substantiation for this? Wikipaedia's article on backmasking gives the Beatles credit for "popularizing" backmasking and says both Lennon and George Martin claim to have invented the technique, which it however says was used as early as the 50's in musique concrete recordings. It was used first in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and later in "Rain". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking "Rain" preceded "TNK"...by about a week. See this invaluable resource: . I think the claim is that it's the first use of reversed sound in a pop recording. * Thanks for this, Jeff. And of course the release dates accentuated this difference, with the single coming out on 10th June and the album not till 5th August (8th August in the US). - - Mike Godwin, who has never come across the term 'backmasking' before either... PS And I heard all those Kinks singles in chronological order, as well! ('Something Else' is the only Kinks album I own, apart from hits packages). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: easy money Check this out http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/etc/1028149107.html BTW, I wrote a whole post about the Rain/Kinks thing, and it seems to have vanished into the cyberether. It even had a "Fuck you, Tom Clark" in it. Hmm. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:05:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: easy money Jill Brand wrote: > Check this out > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/etc/1028149107.html I find the parts about you needing to be white and have short hair peculiar.... "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:21:24 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: easy money Jill says: > Check this out > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/etc/1028149107.html i'm confused - is this a grad student taking a ``sabbatical'' (i.e. no classes.) i am probably being a bit dense. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:40:21 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) On 2/10/09, Sumiko Keay wrote: > My goodness. They look nothing alike, plus Helo is like, 2 feet > taller than Apollo and in season 1 - Helo was planetside and Apollo > was aboard ship. I did say "at first": At first, the height differences weren't obvious since they were rarely in scenes together (plus which, you can never trust height on TV or in movies - lots of great actors are very short but don't "play" it, and sometimes vice versa), and keeping straight that Helo was planetside and Apollo aboard ship entails knowing which is which. Actually by that point I did know - and it was that fact that helped me figure it out. Und also, lep wrut: > i think that what makes the guy characters difficult to juggle at > first (for the guys that is - i'm more than happy to juggle them) is, > as miles mentioned (1) the uniforms, but also (2) the call names > (anyone who's been a pilot has two names.) Right. It took me a while to figure out the whole call-name thing ("a while" might be two-three episdoes) > BSG (dated) triva: i'm assuming everyone knows that hot dog is, in > real life, eddie olmos' son? when "razor" aired, some of the critic > mentioned that the guy who played the young husker looked quite a bit > more like olmos than his son does (granted, with young adama, they > were trying, whereas with hot dog they are likely trying not to.) Yeah, I noticed this, and it is funny. But it makes sense: Olmos' actual son is a product of Olmos and whoever the son's mother is; while Olmos himself is the product of his father and his mother: that is, there would be some resemblance, but if you're looking for someone to play a younger version of oneself, sometimes your actual son might look more like his mother than like a younger you...whereas an unrelated actor might look more like the younger you. And as it happens, yes, whoever played Young Adama did look like a young Adama - and there are moments when Lee indeed does strongly resemble Bill Adama - from certain anlges at least. I'm sure all this business is old news to casting directors... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:16:15 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: recent music threads R&RHoF (Stooges): http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/stooges_snubbed_again Rush: Not my favorite band (well, maybe briefly back in about 1980). I started losing interest when they added vocals to La Villa Strangiato and haven't seen them since the Signals tour. Oddly though, within the last month or so, I was filling gaps in my CD collection and bought several early discs. Kansas: Was my favorite live band for a few years until I saw the Who, back in 1982. Go figure. I can still listen to them occasionally, but I noticed that I roll up the car windows at traffic lights. At least I walked out a short way into the one Journey concert I attended. Grateful Dead: One of most tedious bands I ever saw. I fell asleep both times I saw them. Sold all of their albums after the second disappointment. The Who: Kick the Rolling Stones squarely in the ass. Amazing in concert. Moon was already gone before I saw them, but they were still the greatest live band ever. Quadrophenia is nearly the perfect album. The Kinks: Huge fan since I started working at record conventions in 1980 and got a hold of some of their albums cheap. Also better than the Rolling Stones and staggeringly great in concert. The Rolling Stones: Love them on vinyl, a bit less on CD. Pretty much useless after 1981. A good British band but not quite as good as the Beatles, the Who, the Kinks, the Yardbirds, or Pink Floyd. I'd probably place them somewhere closer to the Small Faces, Cream, and Led Zeppelin. Saw them a couple of times--real snoozers (swear I'm not narcoleptic). Rain: Yep, one the greatest Beatle tracks ever. Massively underplayed, even more so than It's All Too Much, She Said She Said, and I've Just Seen a Face. Goodnight Oslo: Came yesterday (with the bonus disc). Haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I'm getting a strong Dylan/the Band impression, so far. Liking it but insane for it yet. Not disappointed either and reaching further back to favorite vocalists: male: John Doe (X/Knitters), Mark Lanegan (Screaming Trees), and Glenn Mercer (the Feelies) female: Laetitia Sadier (Stereolab) (It is tempting to list the Shaggs, Shonen Knife, and Nico here, but after the Rush and Kansas confessions, I probably don't need to push things any further.) Later, Marc n.p.--John Doe--Forever Hasn't Happened Yet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:11:24 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: easy money > I find the parts about you needing to be white and have short hair peculiar.... Non-whites and the long-haired are underrepresented among academic advisors? Jeremy If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:12:19 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: place name bands >of course, after adding the crap punk band 'London' to the list I'm all out >of 'bands named after UK places'... answers on a postcard to the usual >address. I was thinking of bands like Portishead when I made the initial comment. James PS - I suppose the Leyton Buzzards are another exception... (but they halfway mix two placenames in their name (Leyton, Leighton Buzzard) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:15:58 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: easy money lep wrote: > Jill says: > >> Check this out >> >> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/etc/1028149107.html >> > > i'm confused - is this a grad student taking a ``sabbatical'' (i.e. no classes.) > > i am probably being a bit dense. > It's probably a kid whose folks are paying for school, an apartment, and expenses who'll flip if they find that the checks have been going to something different. And for $65 he'll be lucky to get a poorly-polished whino. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:16:48 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: easy money FSThomas wrote: > And for $65 he'll be lucky to get a poorly-polished whino. Or wino, even. A rhino would be more entertaining, though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:33 -0500 From: Stewart Russell Subject: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me Fire upend Toronto FC in Florida exhibition "Toronto FC dropped a 1-0 decision to the Chicago Fire in a Major League Soccer pre-season game Tuesday in Bradenton, Fla." http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/02/10/soccer-torontofc-exhibition.html?ref=rss "a decision" ... wut? Are we having to come up with whole new constructs and euphemisms for how often Toronto FC loses? This. Isn't. Football. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:26:05 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: easy money Jeremy says: >> I find the parts about you needing to be white and have short hair peculiar.... > > Non-whites and the long-haired are underrepresented among academic advisors? it could have come up in conversation. my parents (ugh, parent, i mean) should have impressions of my professors in that i actually refer to them as "the russian", "the georgian", "my favourite hippie math teacher" (well, this is always accompanied by dr. so-and-so, but that gets a blank stare until i add, e.g. "...the russian.") xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:26:30 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: recent music threads > The Rolling Stones: > Love them on vinyl, a bit less on CD. Pretty much useless after 1981. Pretty much wrote 'em off after Emotional Rescue. > A good British band but not quite as good as the Beatles, the Who, the > Kinks, the Yardbirds, or Pink Floyd. I'd probably place them somewhere > closer to the Small Faces, Cream, and Led Zeppelin. Saw them a couple of > times--real snoozers (swear I'm not narcoleptic). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:29:12 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: re: recent music threads - -- Marc Holden is rumored to have mumbled on 10. Februar 2009 14:16:15 -0700 regarding re: recent music threads: > and reaching further back to favorite vocalists: > male: ... and Glenn > Mercer (the Feelies) Sweet Jesus! As you know I'm a great Feelies fan as well, but I'd *never* pick Glenn as a great singer. I staid out of that whole thread, because I find it incredibly difficult to decide and my opinion would probably change every day. But I can say with certainty that I never have and never will pick Glenn on any day. But I just remembered that back in the day I actually discussed favorite singers with some of the Feelies. I nominated Robyn Hitchcock and said something like "He's my favorite singer" when Glenn entered the room. As a joke, he thanked me for the compliment. All I could muster as a lame reply was that I had been talking about Robyn. I think it stuck in my mind because the whole situation embarrassed me. Unfortunately I don't remember which singers the others mentioned. Man, I was so young at the time. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:36:12 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me On 2/10/09, Stewart Russell wrote: > Fire upend Toronto FC in Florida exhibition > "Toronto FC dropped a 1-0 decision to the Chicago Fire in a Major > League Soccer pre-season game Tuesday in Bradenton, Fla." > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/02/10/soccer-torontofc-exhibition.html?ref=rss > > "a decision" ... wut? Are we having to come up with whole new > constructs and euphemisms for how often Toronto FC loses? For some reason, American (and Canadian, it seems) sportswriters are fond of referring to games (or scores) as "decisions"... I've never thought of it before, but it does seem rather silly. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:38:07 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: easy money On 2/10/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > I find the parts about you needing to be white and have short hair peculiar.... > > > Non-whites and the long-haired are underrepresented among academic advisors? The person who placed the ad does say that he want someone who looks vaguely like his real advisor - who is presumably white, with short hair. In this instance, I suppose, equal-opportunity casting might not be persuasive. ("Yes, my advisor used to be a 25-year-old African-American woman - but she, uh, had a sex change. And a race change. And aged thirty years overnight...academic work is stressful, you know...") - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:20 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Rain >Wikipaedia's article on backmasking gives the Beatles credit for >"popularizing" backmasking and says both Lennon and George Martin >claim to have invented the technique, which it however says was used >as early as the 50's in musique concrete recordings. It was used first >in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and later in "Rain". Very possible. Rain was recorded only eight days after Tomorrow Never Knows, though Rain was released first. It's right about the musique concrete, too. I think someone like LaMonte Young or John Cage was using it before the Beatles. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:39:28 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Rain >Wikipaedia's article on backmasking gives the Beatles credit for >"popularizing" backmasking and says both Lennon and George Martin >claim to have invented the technique, which it however says was used >as early as the 50's in musique concrete recordings. It was used first >in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and later in "Rain". Very possible. Rain was recorded only eight days after Tomorrow Never Knows, though Rain was released first. It's right about the musique concrete, too. I think someone like LaMonte Young or John Cage was using it before the Beatles. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:39:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: recent music threads On 2/10/09, Marc Holden wrote: > Goodnight Oslo: > Came yesterday (with the bonus disc). Wow - you really like it a lot. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:52:16 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: backmasking is the work of The =?iso-8859-1?Q?Horn=E9d?= One! >Incidentally, I'm sticking a finger in the dike here...but I really >hate that the accepted term for "sound reversed on a recording" has >become "backmasking." That term was, so far as I know, invented by >idiot Jesus freaks who claimed that such material was used to "mask" >nefarious messages, often satanic in content. This is, as Penn >Jillette would say, bullshit: there is, first of all, no evidence or >reason to imagine that humans can understand words backwards. More to >the point, reversed sounds are rarely used to "mask" anything: they're >simply an effect. (Of course, sometimes "hidden messages" were put on >in reverse, for fun...but the general use of "backmasking" is a sad >comment on the power of Jesoids to influence culture.) You sure about that Jeff? I've only ever heard it intended to imply that a "mask" - that is, an additional recorded layer - has been placed onto a previously recorded track. IIRC, "mask" is an early, pre-multitrack technology, name for what is now called an overdub, since it covers previous material - not necessarily with the intention of hiding, but rather of adding material. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:55:20 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: BSG/Rick Rubin defence >Slightly off-topic, does anyone else here always think of Dungeons >and Dragons when they hear the name Kobol? Some of us have almost certainly been around computer programming long enough to think of other, more distasteful things before that. BSG... wait, Michael Schenker's brother Bruce is also a musician? >Are you saying that you think I in some way dismissed something, or >anything, on the basis of genre? That's flat out absurd. I've owned to not >*liking* a very small set of musical styles-- well, pretty much just metal, >most prog, and Andrew Lloyd Weber-type stuff-- but I've never held any genre >to be categorically "bad". At all. Whatever gets you through the night, I >figure, and I'm pretty adamant about that-- it's why I don't prosetylize. I agree entirely. There are genres I don't like, but I wouldn'tt describe any off them as bad. Alice often complains if I describe a song as "very good - for its genre", as though it's damning by faint praise, when I generally mean "this song is in a genre that I don't normally like, but I'd certainly condsider adding it to my collection." And given the somewhat eclectic mix of my music collection , I don't tend to claim individual genres are "good" or "bad" (alphabetically, Nilsson is next to Nine Inch Nails, Hole is between Robyn Hitchcock and Billie Holiday, John Cale is followed by Glen Campbell and Camper van Beethoven, and the run from Emerson Lake and Palmer through Eminem and Alex Empire to Enigma is just plain weird. Hmmm... do I sense a potential thread here?). I *would* say that some genres have a high signal-to-noise ratio, especially when it comes to what is popularised through the mass media and through advertising, but that's a different thing. There is very good rap out there; there is very good metal; there is very good alt.country and Nashville pop-country - there is even very good Andrew Lloyd Webber material (some of the early stuff with Tim Rice is very good - for its genre). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: recent music threads 2fs wrote: > On 2/10/09, Marc Holden wrote: > > > Goodnight Oslo: > > Came yesterday (with the bonus disc). > > Wow - you really like it a lot. You must be married to have forgotten that you can borderline despise someone and still.... "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:02:55 -0800 From: Rex Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_backmasking_is_the_work_of_The_Horn=E9d_On e=21?= On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, James Dignan wrote: > (Of course, sometimes "hidden messages" were put on >> in reverse, for fun...but the general use of "backmasking" is a sad >> comment on the power of Jesoids to influence culture.) >> > > You sure about that Jeff? I've only ever heard it intended to imply that a > "mask" - that is, an additional recorded layer - has been placed onto a > previously recorded track. IIRC, "mask" is an early, pre-multitrack > technology, name for what is now called an overdub, since it covers previous > material - not necessarily with the intention of hiding, but rather of > adding material. I think you're both right-- that is, it was an existing term before the Fundies got ahold of it; they didn't know what the hell it meant, but it sounded sinister, and the term pretty much came to popular use with that extra, manufactured connotation grafted onto it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:06:34 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: easy money On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my > brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell Is it just me and Josi Saramago, or did this sig not have parentheses in it before? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: easy money Rex wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying > > to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell > > Is it just me and Josi Saramago, or did this sig not have > parentheses in it before? As my sig, it's always had the parentheses, since he actually said "it." Elsewhere, someone else may have used the same quote sans parentheses, which is technically acceptable but not preferred, last I heard. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:13:26 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: easy money >> "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my >> brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell > > > Is it just me and Josi Saramago, or did this sig not have parentheses in it > before? Yeah -- they have always showed up as square brackets in my mail client. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josx Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:07:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: easy money On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Check this out > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/etc/1028149107.html > > BTW, I wrote a whole post about the Rain/Kinks thing, and it seems > to have vanished into the cyberether. It even had a "Fuck you, Tom > Clark" in it. Hmm. Well, fuck me. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:18:32 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: pls translate this MLS nonsense for me 2fs wrote: > > For some reason, American (and Canadian, it seems) sportswriters are > fond of referring to games (or scores) as "decisions"... Guess it proves how fixed American sports are, since a decision is made before an act. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:19:32 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rain On 2/10/09, James Dignan wrote: > > Wikipaedia's article on backmasking gives the Beatles credit for > > "popularizing" backmasking and says both Lennon and George Martin > > claim to have invented the technique, which it however says was used > > as early as the 50's in musique concrete recordings. It was used first > > in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and later in "Rain". > > > > Very possible. Rain was recorded only eight days after Tomorrow Never > Knows Work began on "Rain" first, on April 14, 1966, and was completed April 16, 1966. Work began on TNK in a session beginning April 6 and going into the 7th, but wasn't completed until April 22. If I were really obsessive, rather than just looking up that info at Alan W. Pollack's site (linked previously), I'd go to Lewisohn's _Abbey Road Sessions_ book and confirm what was done when. As it is, it's quibbling: the two songs are effectively simultaneous, and so the use of backwards recording can be credited to either one with no real loss of truth. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:20:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rain On 2/10/09, 2fs wrote: > On 2/10/09, James Dignan wrote: > > > Wikipaedia's article on backmasking gives the Beatles credit for > > > "popularizing" backmasking and says both Lennon and George Martin > > > claim to have invented the technique, which it however says was used > > > as early as the 50's in musique concrete recordings. It was used first > > > in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and later in "Rain". > > > > > > > Very possible. Rain was recorded only eight days after Tomorrow Never > > Knows > > > Work began on "Rain" first, on April 14, 1966, and was completed April > 16, 1966. Work began on TNK in a session beginning April 6 and going > into the 7th, but wasn't completed until April 22. Just remembered: what I'd always read was that Lennon heard a bit of "Rain" backwards because the tape was accidentally spooled incorrectly - - and he liked it and wanted to use it. If this story is true, "Rain" gets the credit (and TNK would simply be a case of, hey, let's try that backwards trick again). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #42 *******************************