From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #38 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 9 2009 Volume 17 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- You know it's bad when... ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] RE: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! [Michael] RE: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Two good things about the Grammys [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [lep ] Re: Two good things about the Grammys [2fs ] Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! [2fs ] Re: The Who [Michael Sweeney ] Re:I don't mind [James Dignan ] Re:Kansas [James Dignan ] Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! [Rex ] Re: The Who [2fs ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [2fs ] Re: Kinks [James Dignan ] Re: Kansas [2fs ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Tom Clark ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) [lep ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: You know it's bad when... [FSThomas ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:38:24 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: You know it's bad when... ...it shocks even *me*. . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:37:05 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! Jeff wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote:> > > Michael "No matter my dislike for Rush, please -- fer gawd's sake! - -- just> > keep Steve Walsh's whiny, self-important voice outta my ears (and head)..."> > Sweeney> > Oh I'd say Kerry Livgren was much more self-important - - that was one> of the funniest things about that band, Walsh bellowing about drunken> babes, and Livgren blathering on about some cosmic Jesus thing... The> cognitive dissonance was...curious. ...Arrrrgggghhh! It was bad enough that I pulled Walsh's name outta my haven't-given-them-a-deeper-thought-since-about-'82 memory! Stop torturing my with the sadly recognizable names of OTHER guys in Kansas! ...Or, in the immortal words of Randy Newman (of course, about ELO...who I DID actually like): "Johnny played little violin And Bobby Joe played the big violin The one that stands on the floor They were all in the rock 'n' roll band!" Michael "'Right off, they needed a name / Someone said, "How 'bout the Renegades?" / Johnny said, "Well I don't know." / "I prefer E.L.O."' Few things still make me laugh as hard as the existence and execution of that song..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...And, as a bearded-guy-since-about-'84, I'll add this: Mine has > grey-whited somewhat similar to Connery's -- it's still dark in > the moustache and around the mouth and chin (basically, if it were > a goatee -- or if I weren't quite so lazy -- it would all be dark)... > and I actually once had someone (a younger relative -- niece, IIRC) > ask me why I *only* colored the part around my mouth...sigh... Oy. When I was born, and until I was 8 or so, my hair was very blond -- if I was a chick, you'd say it was platinum blonde -- but then started getting darker, so it's now a much darker blond....except my eyebrows, which are still that "platinum" blond, and I've actually been asked occasionally by people why I bleach my eyebrows. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Two good things about the Grammys Jeremy Osner wrote: > I saw in the paper this morning that "Raising Sand" was the best > album of the year, and it made me think the judges have pretty good > taste. (Somehow my memory skipped a year; I thought that had come > out in 2007. Either way it's a fine record.) It did; it's just that the Grammy year is something like October to September, rather than a proper calender year. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell - --- On Mon, 2/9/09, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:54:40 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod says: > it was on HEY JUDE LP 1970 that's where i first heard it. that album wouldn't have been that popular - it picked up b-sides and such. i had it since i was fairly beatles-obsessive as a young teenager. i can't quite agree with rex that "rain" is my favourite (picking top beatles songs is a rough call), but it's up there. mentally, i pair it with "i'm only sleeping" which is up towards the top as well (it probably even beats out "rain", if only by a bit.) rain and sleep - alright, yeah. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:58:59 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Two good things about the Grammys On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Jeremy Osner wrote: >> I saw in the paper this morning that "Raising Sand" was the best >> album of the year, and it made me think the judges have pretty good >> taste. (Somehow my memory skipped a year; I thought that had come >> out in 2007. Either way it's a fine record.) > > It did; it's just that the Grammy year is something like October to September, rather than a proper calender year. It takes the oldsters that run the Grammys that long to remember to change the calendar. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:01:30 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Michael Sweeney >> wrote: >> >> > Michael "No matter my dislike for Rush, please -- fer gawd's sake! -- >> > just >> > keep Steve Walsh's whiny, self-important voice outta my ears (and >> > head)..." >> > Sweeney >> >> Oh I'd say Kerry Livgren was much more self-important - that was one >> of the funniest things about that band, Walsh bellowing about drunken >> babes, and Livgren blathering on about some cosmic Jesus thing... The >> cognitive dissonance was...curious. > ...Arrrrgggghhh! It was bad enough that I pulled Walsh's name outta my > haven't-given-them-a-deeper-thought-since-about-'82 memory! Stop torturing > my with the sadly recognizable names of OTHER guys in Kansas! My misspent youth. Uh...the big hairy violin player guy...the bass player with the bizarrely large forehead...the other guy. The other other guy? Cna't remember. (Yes, it's true: I saw them in concert. "Saw" is not necessarily the right word: the venue remains to this date the *smokiest* I have ever been in...this being the late '70s, it was smoke of an illicit variety, largely. No need to have actually purchased or intentionally consumed said...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:08:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > "Waterloo Sunset" is probably more well-known now in the US than it's > ever been thanks to its use in film, many cover versions, and decades > of critical praise, but it's still not part of the water here, or even > close to a droplet. Hopefully this great new blog page will help it along: http://fringehead.com/waterloosunset/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:13:07 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: The Who Great Quail wrotes: >It just blows my mind, the way that Moon plays. I am never sure whether I am hearing a freakishly paradoxical >combination of raw chaos and surgical precision, or whether every note is guided by some unique navigation >system fueled by equal measures genius and ignorance. Just...amazing. ...Amen to all that (and, very well said!) -- and, as I think I may have said before (but it always comes to mind for me w/Moonie), I always fascinatingly just LUVVED watching him play as closely as I could, usually being stunningly unable to even follow the movements and strikings (most notably, his off-direction, almost casual-seeming hits) with the sound he produced. There are -- of course -- many different styles of drumming and so many excellent rock drummers, but...gawd, I cannot imagine ANYONE EVER being like Moon... ...Plus -- the poor dude was just so misguidedly cute (non-drunk personality-wise) -- I always saw Pete as trying to be so lovingly protective of his lil' buddy (as much as that was possible, anyway). Still can't believe he was barely 32 when he went... Michael "I know, I know -- Bruford (;->...just saving Kevin some typing time)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:21:24 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:I don't mind > >>> "Rain" is a title I do not recognize. I asked Ellen about it and she > >>> said, "When the rain, falls down on our heads/ We might as well be > >>> --" > >>> then pointed at me and I said dead. I kind of recognized the melody. > >>> She's not sure what album it's from but thinks it is early. > >> > >> > >> Time to go buy some albums. > > > > Nah - I'd wait: as soon as the Beatles, their heirs, and their legal > > squad come to agreement, the remastered catalog is likely to be > > released (on iTunes, too) - what you can buy now, mostly, is > > late-80s-quality... (They're still dickering over the "Apple" thing, I > > read somewhere recently...) > >That lawsuit was resolved a couple of years ago, so it's just a matter >of time. > >"Rain" falls into the same category as "Waterloo Sunset" for me: Old >songs I wasn't familiar with until Robyn started covering them. Back when I first fell in love with the Beatles music (not an exaggeration - it hadf exactly the same laughing, crying, unable to concentrate or cope with or without it feeling as falling in love), I went out and got all of their original run albums, plus the red and blue compilations. I foolishly thought at the time that I'd got all the available Beatles music (this was before I even knew what a bootleg was). A couple of years later, I was at some kind of event - I can't even remember what - some kind of theatrical show. Through the speakers came the the unmistakeable sound of John singling a song I'd never previously heard - Rain. I was literally transfixed. I couldn't move and even at the time could not have told you where I was, let alone what was going on around me. I think I wore a big grin for a week afterwards. The song was and remains a hidden treasure in the Beatles collection - an absolute fucking gem - and I would have no hesitation in listing it high up in a list of my favourite songs of all time. James PS - it's "if the rain comes, they run and hide their heads, they might as well be dead" - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:21:21 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:Kansas >My friend is a prog DJ -- the biggest musical snob on the planet, too. If >it's not a group that existed for twenty minutes in Belgium in between the >break up of some RIO/Krautrock/Zeuhl band, he thinks they are sell-outs. And >Lord almighty, he *hates* Rush. Admires their work ethic, but hates them >with a passion. But as he says, "They are better than Kansas." I suppose >that's something. I can see it on Geddy's headstone.... As I'm sure I've opined before noww, steer clear of any band named after a US state or city - they all tend to be bland MOR pap. Bands named after English places tend to be strange, edgy indie bands. Bands named after places in Europe are usually either heavy or industrial. Bands named after continents try to be sincere but end up sounding like parodies of the style they are trying to do. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:23:12 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Great Quail wrote: > Rex writes, > > > Word to the wise: your overuse of this phrase is telling. > > You called me wise! Only would have counted if you'd noticed it and understood what I meant. I do believe you got halfway there. > > But... I have the best musical taste on this List, as I believed I have > proved again and again. So doesn't that put me in the exact position to > make > these judgments? Sure, in a sort of "all elephants are pink" kind of way. Well, like sex, that Rush is AWESOME is beyond proof. But my "point" was > that Rush should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which may be > resolved > through the impassionate and impartial calculus of reasonable > argumentation, > even, dare I say, *proven* -- as I did in my amazingly eloquent previous > post. ...the crux of my amazingly eloquent reply to which was that membership or even deserved membership in the R&RHOF isn't worth a lot in real-world coin. A bit ad-hominem in hindsight... sorry about that. Seems like both points can still stand. > Frankly, I am surprised that you have not yet written me for a mix > tape. I would have, but e-mailing you offlist usually nets me a dozen billowing paragraphs of what you yourself identify as "hatred". Which can be entertaining, but I'm full right now. > Au contraire! Common ground serves as a foundational point to construct > bridges and dig sapper-tunnels! I have an always-ready "Robyn Hitchcock Is > Cool Mix" I freely hand out to all my musical friends. Though I confess, I > usually try to turn hip hop fans onto country music, first. The common > ground is even firmer. Are you aware at all of how disingenuous that makes your interest in any musical form as anything but a vehicle for your own purported aesthetic omniscience sound? What is the root of your need to evangelize like this, to try and force people to enjoy (or at least feel guilty about not enjoying) things that they're not of their own volition likely to enjoy? Look, we're always going to disagree on the fundamental meaning of musical taste. To me, it's just what any individual listener likes or finds emotionally resonant or useful, for *whatever* reasons in the world. To you it's apparently a quantifiable measurement of a person's intellectual and societal worth: one can get it right and be on the side of Good and Enlightment, or one can fail it and burn in hell. Since what you think of as "hell" is, apparently, "what other people erroneously like to listen to", and such other people are clearly benighted as to their error, this is somewhat akin to throwing Br'er Rabbit into the Briar Patch, except that the nature of the Briar Patch itself is objectionable to the Rabbit Thrower, and he's got a lot to say about it. > What? Are you INSANE? Deadheads are the most proselytizing music fans I've > ever run across! Why, I am a Deadhead, and I get tired of other Deadheads > trying to convert me. In my experience they're too far gone to notice that you haven't already succumbed. So you can talk Dylan with them and everything's cool. That's how I remember it, anyway... not many Deadheads in my life right now. Would it be too close an advance to your "grill" to point out that the > repeated labeling of a subject as an "embarrassment" is usually construed > as > negative? A negative statement about the *behavior* of rabid Rush *fans*. Still ain't said nothing about the band. Are those things really that hard for you to separate? If the same kind of bleating were to be done (as it sometimes is!) in favor of my beloved Fall, I'd find that embarrassing, too: http://www.pipeline.com/~biv/FallNet/comix/gpt5.html > Or is this, perhaps, always been an issue with you... Yes. It is always been an issue. The fascinating (YMMV) thing about any Rex-Quail back-and-forth on this topic is that each party seems to intractably find the other's musical tastes disingenuous to the point where we see each other as total poseurs who can't possibly really like the things we claim to like, and therefore must be acting like we like them as some kind of emotionally stunted strategy of self-identification. Quail has said that he believes as much about me, and I have to confess that this is exactly how I have viewed him for many years, dating back to some years-ago silliness about how he saw the light about country music via Rick Rubin-- erm, that is to say, Johnny Cash-- and borne out by every genre-fixated, self-obsessively tokenistic-messianic best-of list since. I probably have that wrong. Quail in turn seems to believe I am some quintessential geek-cred-grubbing faux-iconoclast who values the musically obscure just for its obscurity and has a knee-jerk need to reject the popular on the basis of its popularity alone, among other sins, and the fact that I protest too much is offered as proof. Quail may refine this indictment as he wishes; I'm unlikely to buy it. Most likely, the best we can do is acknowledge this as the central conflict, and move on, since there seem to be whole bucketloads of folks who don't seem inclined to despise either one of us on the other's behalf. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:23:29 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Jeff says: > When I was born, and until I was 8 or so, my hair was very blond -- if I was a chick, you'd say it was platinum blonde -- such boys (and girls, for that matter) are called towheads around here. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=towhead xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:29:46 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The Who On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > ...Amen to all that (and, very well said!) -- and, as I think I may have said > before (but it always comes to mind for me w/Moonie), I always fascinatingly > just LUVVED watching him play as closely as I could, usually being stunningly > unable to even follow the movements and strikings (most notably, his > off-direction, almost casual-seeming hits) with the sound he produced. There > are -- of course -- many different styles of drumming and so many excellent > rock drummers, but...gawd, I cannot imagine ANYONE EVER being like Moon... > Michael "I know, I know -- Bruford (;->...just saving Kevin some typing time)" > Sweeney The obvious difference is that Bruford is so incredibly controlled. But also one of my favorite drummers. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:30:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: >> >> "Waterloo Sunset" is probably more well-known now in the US than it's >> ever been thanks to its use in film, many cover versions, and decades >> of critical praise, but it's still not part of the water here, or even >> close to a droplet. > > > Hopefully this great new blog page will help it along: > http://fringehead.com/waterloosunset/ Hey! Isn't that Elizabeth Brion's site? (Am I misremembering that Ms. Brion is on this list - or was?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:31:55 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Kinks >In the US, the Kinks are basically this: > >* You Really Got Me >* All Day And All of the Night >* a minor smattering of Sunny Afternoon >* Lola >* Come Dancing > >When I've introduced some of my fellow Americans to the Kinks, I have >to fight the notion that they're a novelty act. Seriously. ISTR reading somewhere that the Kinks got into serious trouble with the US music industry and were basically shunned by most radio stations for much of the 60s as a result (IIRC the song "Get back in line" was an oblique reference to this). So the US never got Days, Waterloo Sunset, Dead End Street, Dedicated Follower of Fashion, etc. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:35:12 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Kansas On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, James Dignan wrote: > > As I'm sure I've opined before noww, steer clear of any band named after a > US state or city - they all tend to be bland MOR pap. Exception: Idaho (moody, slowish, alt-tuning guitar stuff) > Bands named after English places tend to be strange, edgy indie bands. If U.K. counts, exception: first incarnation, jazzy prog (courtesy Bruford and Holdsworth), later versions, less jazzy, more song-y, even approaching (shudder) Asia territory (blame Wetton) although never so dire. > Bands named after places in Europe are usually either heavy or industrial. > > Bands named after continents try to be sincere but end up sounding like > parodies of the style they are trying to do. Hmmm... There's Europe (crap rock - they did "Final Countdown," no?), Asia (crap rock), uh...do we count America as continent or country? Anyway: lite-crap rock. Are there bands called Africa or Australia or Antarctica? And what's with almost all the continents beginning with "A"? I blame the Trilateral Commission. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:41:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:30 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: >>> >>> "Waterloo Sunset" is probably more well-known now in the US than >>> it's >>> ever been thanks to its use in film, many cover versions, and >>> decades >>> of critical praise, but it's still not part of the water here, or >>> even >>> close to a droplet. >> >> >> Hopefully this great new blog page will help it along: >> http://fringehead.com/waterloosunset/ > > Hey! Isn't that Elizabeth Brion's site? (Am I misremembering that Ms. > Brion is on this list - or was?) Yes it is hers. Dunno if she's still onlist. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod lep wrote: > > When I was born, and until I was 8 or so, my hair was > > very blond -- if I was a chick, you'd say it was > > platinum blonde -- > > > such boys (and girls, for that matter) are called towheads > around here. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=towhead Which still doesn't change that my eyebrows coninue to lack melanin. :) Oddly, no one ever referred to me as being towheaded until I posted a few old picture on Facebook a while back. So even though it's clearly right, it never occurs to me to call myself that. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one > another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:45:52 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) Sebastian says: > -- djini@voicenet.com is rumored to have mumbled on 6. Februar 2009 18:58:41 > -0500 regarding Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush): > >>> p.s. BSG season 4.5 rules. >> >> But - but - it's been making me want to kill myself! > > Yes, and I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. I guess I'll > get the entire series on DVD when a box set comes out, and maybe then I will > understand it, but right now I can't wait for it to be over. Basically all I > care about right now is how it ends. I'm not invested in any of the > characters anymore. I'm all for characters having weaknesses, but BSG is > taking things too far. sebastian, my diagnosis is your feelings towards baltar's character (you once said you wished he had been airlocked long ago.) so i'm assuming you don't find him all that amusing. the thought crosses my mind fairly often that the show would be pretty unbearable without baltar. i mean, without baltar, who do you laugh at? as far as the characters having weaknesses, i see it more as the whole mess winding down and droning on, good folks getting killed off, few hopes, blah-blah-frakkin'-blah. it's the end of the world, and four years of that (in spades) can make even the best of men a tad testy. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:44:21 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: The Who Jeff wrote:> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote:> >> > gawd, I cannot imagine ANYONE EVER being like Moon...> > > ["I know, I know -- Bruford (;->...just saving Kevin some typing time)] > > The obvious difference is that Bruford is so incredibly controlled.> But also one of my favorite drummers. Mine too, in a different way. I always regarded him as more of a non-time-keeping percussive painter...I was always amused at the KC song lineups where Belew ended up singing from behind another drum kit (while Fripp and Levin handled PLENTY of stringed-instrument sound with their apparenty 6-handed-each playing styles) because they needed a "1-2-3-4" beat AS WELL AS Bruf's lovely & stylish meanderings... Michael "Amazing that a list of fave drummers can span the styles of Moon, Bruford, Starr, Watts, Helm, Fleetwood, (Wilco's) Glenn Kotche, and (the Pumpkins') Jimmy Chamberlin..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:53:17 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod <> This probably just means I didn't grow up in the sixties, but the only Kinks song I ever loved was Destroyer. Come Dancing was played to death and Lola was that song they played on the radio station for teenagers when I was 9. After The Who, who I also cannot tolerate. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:53:09 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: You know it's bad when... Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > ...it shocks even *me*. > > . Yeah. That's the chart put out by Pelosi's office (http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1683). Pretty sobering, if not slightly inaccurate. Whoever threw that together for her didn't bother to handle it in terms of percentages over time which is far more accurate as there are more people in the workforce now then there were in past recessions/depressions. This of course doesn't bring up the fact that this is the same woman who thinks economic "stimulus" should include (among other things): $550B in over-all new spending including $2B for advanced car batteries, $1B for the Energy Department's Clean Coal Initiative, $6B for Federal build "greening", $14B for Pell Grants, $6B under the vague tagline "higher education modernization", $3B for expanding Broadband service in rural areas, $1.5B for NASA, $4B in grants for state and local law enforcement, $1.5 billion for community health centers, $420 million to combat avian flu, and $335 million for programs that combat AIDS, sexually transmitted diseases and tuberculosis. (You can see a 13-page summary by the House Appropriations Committee here: http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf) If her idea of economic stimulation is to spend Federal dollars on community health centers and fighting bird flu then she's really not someone who should have her hand near the budgetary tiller. Take a look at economist William Polley's similar (but more accurate) chart "Cumulative Decline in Nonfarm Payroll Employment for Post-War Recessions": http://tinyurl.com/bho8cc If you can find the current line (it's orange), it's tracking along with 1981 when looking at job losses v. peak employment. As sobering as both charts may be it's far worse (to me) that this "stimulus" package is probably going to get through the Senate. After that the only chance of pruning pork will come from the joint session to match the House bill to the Senate version. What's still worse though is that TARP II is on the horizon, and that's going to cost even more on top of the current legislation. There's a good article on Bloomberg (http://tinyurl.com/dmo27g) entitled "US Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs." $9.7 /trillion/, folks. - -f. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #38 *******************************