From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #37 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 9 2009 Volume 17 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Who [Great Quail ] Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Dwarf! [kevin st] Goodnight Oslo [Great Quail ] Billy Corgan, Most Assholey Boy in the World [Great Quail ] Re: The Who [kevin studyvin ] Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Tom Clark ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Miles Goosens ] Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! [Michael] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Rex ] Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) [2fs ] Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! [2fs ] Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod [Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: The Who Jeff writes, > Oh, I do hope it was clear my comparison was strictly rhetorical - I > love the Who, and at their peak there was no one that could touch them > - particularly Moon and Daltrey. I wouldn't go as far as to say they were untouchable, but the Who were definitely one of the greatest hard rock outfits at that time. (To put them at the top neglects The Rolling Stones, which I cannot bring myself to do.) >From, oh, '71 through '74 or so, > Daltrey was *the* best hard-rock singer.** There are things he does on > some tracks on _Quadrophenia_ that I still can't believe anyone could > actually do - n I have to say, "Quadrophenia" is my favorite album of the 1970s. Freaking brilliant. I especially like that song about the fighting trees. > G*ddy L*e sounds like some species of hyena... But an awesome hyena. >and Jon Anderson is > clearly a castrato. The fucked up thing is -- Jon Anderson STILL has that voice. I mean, WTF? > And Moon was alwyas *just* this side of being totally out of control > musically..but it served the music. As a rhythm player Townshend > coiled more tension in his rhythms than nearly any other guitarist I > can think of - and Entwistle combined power, melody, and rootedness in > a rare package. > > Together, they could play the fucking ocean. Yeah, preach on! I mean, "me too!" It just blows my mind, the way that Moon plays. I am never sure whether I am hearing a freakishly paradoxical combination of raw chaos and surgical precision, or whether every note is guided by some unique navigation system fueled by equal measures genius and ignorance. Just...amazing. And Entwistle, man -- when he gets to communicating musically with Moon, well, no rhythm section compares.... - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:07:20 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Dwarf! > Michael "Then again, I also (non-passionately) like the Smashing P's... I quite like the Punkins up till wherever it was that Corgan started believing his own press releases. > and I suppose there might be more than a few out here (even beyond the deep > Peter > Green / Jeremy Spencer / Danny Kirwan fans) who find Lindsey Buckingham a > bit > twee for their tastes..." Sweeney I'd have to give Buckingham a couple points for "Trouble" if nothing else. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:14:42 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Goodnight Oslo Holy cow! I love this album! While I can accept the criticism heard rough here about the lyrics -- and I suppose I have to face the fact that Robyn's lyrics will never be as obliquely metaphorical as they used to be, except here and there on some tracks -- though he's still a damn sight better than most -- ok, I can accept that the lyrics aren't up there with "Trains," or "Eye," or "Frogs," but -- OK, start again. I love this album! As was mentioned, it really feels like a band, and a good one. The first two tracks -- "What You Is" and "Your Head Here" -- are my favorite Robyn songs since "Mexican God." But the horns, the background singers, the energy, the verve! I also have to give a lot of credit to Peter Buck. More so than "Ole! Tarantula," Peter Buck is playing with the confidence of Peter Buck. He seems more *present,* and definitely seems more like a contributor. I feel like he's less cautious, less afraid to sound like REM, which is a good thing, because Peter Buck made REM great with his Peter-Buckness. Anyway, it all makes me happy. Two great albums this year so far for me -- Animal Collective and now Robyn. And U2 in March, oboy oboy. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:19:37 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Billy Corgan, Most Assholey Boy in the World Kevin writes, > I quite like the Punkins up till wherever it was that Corgan started > believing his own press releases. The more of an asshole Billy Corgan becomes, the more I like him. It's kind of like -- well, I liked him at first, then he turned into an asshole, and I was disappointed. But the more of an asshole he became, the more in awe of him I grew. Like -- wow. Now, seeing as his music largely sucks these days, all that's left is to watch in wonder as new levels of assholery are discovered and/or unveiled before our very eyes. - --Quail, rather chatty today, sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:22:08 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod > "Rain" falls into the same category as "Waterloo Sunset" for me: Old songs > I wasn't familiar with until Robyn started covering them. > In typically off-kilter fashion I first heard Rain when Rundgren included it in his bunch-of-1966 covers on Faithful, and Waterloo Sunset on a tape of a Firesign Theatre radio show from 1970. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:29:08 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: The Who > It just blows my mind, the way that Moon plays. I am never sure whether I > am hearing a freakishly paradoxical combination of raw chaos and surgical > precision, or whether every note is guided by some unique navigation system > fueled by equal measures genius and ignorance. Just...amazing. Beautifully said. Reminds me of Adrian Belew comparing his playing to Fripp's - he said Fripp's is pure theory & technique, where Belew just goes, "Magic fingers, do your stuff!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) I thought about putting a "don't worry, no spoilers" heading - because I am very aware of not spoiling people. I too tend to watch things (sometimes years) later, and though I don't really care myself about getting spoiled, I understand how people can. Anyway, sorry. Jeanne > Okay, okay, you folks with cable TV - - WATCH IT ON THE FRAKKIN > SPOILERS! (there were none here, really...but I was a bit worried on the Baltar bit). > > Some of us are waiting until our new MacBook arrives so we can watch the damned thing on iTunes w/the aid of I forget which hookup device to the TV screen which our current five-year-old moribund non-Mac laptop lacks... > > And pity the folks w/crap computers or connections or who don't like iTunes and who'll have to wait (like we did) for the DVD... > > On 2/6/09, djini@voicenet.com wrote: >> Lauren opined: >> > p.s. BSG season 4.5 rules. >> > >> But - but - it's been making me want to kill myself! Except for the Baltar scenes, >> which >> just reduce me to helpless laughter. (You're a fraud! No, you're the fraud! How 'bout >> us >> two frauds try to SAVE HUMANITY? As long as that means saving my ass first, then OK, cool, we could do that.) >> I know it will please Mr. Gross that I am re-watching Buffy, in its entirety. They're >> all so fresh-faced and chipper in the first season, sigh. I forgot how much the music >> was in the forefront in those early days. Lots of helium-voiced girl singers, who (to >> me) sound more like Darla than like Buffy. >> Jeanne > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:24:18 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 9. > Februar 2009 08:06:25 -0800 regarding Re: Robyn gives in and gets an > iPod: > >> "Rain" falls into the same category as "Waterloo Sunset" for me: Old >> songs I wasn't familiar with until Robyn started covering them. > > "Rain" I get, because I don't think I've ever heard that on the > radio, but "Waterloo Sunset"?? I have no idea, are the Kinks not as > big in the US as they are/were here? I don't think you could've > avoided that one, had you lived in Germany. Can't say I remember ever hearing WS on the radio. Growing up my exposure to The Kinks was pretty much Lola, You Really Got Me, and a few others. - -tc, enjoying Quail's verbosity... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:38:21 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 9. Februar 2009 > 08:06:25 -0800 regarding Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod: > >> "Rain" falls into the same category as "Waterloo Sunset" for me: Old >> songs I wasn't familiar with until Robyn started covering them. > > "Rain" I get, because I don't think I've ever heard that on the radio, but > "Waterloo Sunset"?? I have no idea, are the Kinks not as big in the US as > they are/were here? I don't think you could've avoided that one, had you > lived in Germany. In the US, the Kinks are basically this: * You Really Got Me * All Day And All of the Night * a minor smattering of Sunny Afternoon * Lola * Come Dancing When I've introduced some of my fellow Americans to the Kinks, I have to fight the notion that they're a novelty act. Seriously. "Waterloo Sunset" is probably more well-known now in the US than it's ever been thanks to its use in film, many cover versions, and decades of critical praise, but it's still not part of the water here, or even close to a droplet. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:04:47 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Great Quail wrote: > My friend is a prog DJ -- the biggest musical snob on the planet, too. If > it's not a group that existed for twenty minutes in Belgium in between the > break up of some RIO/Krautrock/Zeuhl band, he thinks they are sell-outs. And > Lord almighty, he *hates* Rush. Admires their work ethic, but hates them > with a passion. But as he says, "They are better than Kansas." I suppose > that's something. I can see it on Geddy's headstone.... Uh...used to kinda like at least the second and third Kansas albums. Maybe still do. Might be entirely nostalgia. Haven't listened to them for year. Not using subject in many of these sentences so if they're quoted no one can nail me on this. >> They also tend to try to use oddly >> empirical, point-by-point, near-mathematical tretises to "prove" their >> point, I think what's being said here is simply this: Rush fans tend to be geeks. Geeks are prone to both excessive enthusiasm *and* the application of logic and reasoning in realms that "normal people" don't use them in. As many people on this list are at least partial geeks (raises hand), it's somewhat surprising that this is annoying as it is. Somewhat. Eventually, you learn to question why it is that other people's enthusiasms, so baldly announced, are embarrassing to you...really, they shouldn't be. Personally, I've never had anyone try to convert me to Rush fandom (except insofar as proclaiming the glory of Rush is so doing...but hey, this is a music list, we talk enthusiastically about music...that we love, that we hate. It's all in the brochure... Frankly, I am surprised that you have not yet written me for a mixed > tape. > >> Frankly, it grates on us. Frankly, the phrase "mixed tape" grates. It's a "mix tape": it is a *mix* of songs, it is not "mixed" like a random assortment of nuts (see: Alan Keyes fans). Similarly: it's "box set" not "boxed set" - the relevant parameter is that a large package of CDs looks like a box in in its bulk...not that it happens to actually have been put in a box (and many such box sets are not, in fact, in anything that reasonably could be called a "box" literally). >> Socially normal music conversations tend to gravitate towards the common >> ground of the participants. Well yeah...but on this list, in addition to the obvious presence of Robyn fans, we have Beatle fans, Beatle-haters, Dylan fans, Dylan haters, prog fans/haters, folk fans/haters, banjo fans/haters...in other words, aside from Robyn there's not a lot of common ground. Musically, we're a fairly diverse bunch. Which is why I'm giving you the first crack at my suite of 12-tone compositions for detuned accordion and sampled truck collisions. > Deadheads are the most proselytizing music fans I've > ever run across! Why, I am a Deadhead, and I get tired of other Deadheads > trying to convert me. Jesus, with their blank, falafel eyes and that weird > hand-wiggle, palms swimming through the patchouli vapors to the sounds of > "Doin' That Rag." Christ. The funny thing is, many fanatics for certain acts are deeply more annoying than the acts themselves...but the annoyance tends to get transferred to the act (see: Rush, Dead...even Morrissey). Now if you'll excuse me, I have to sacrifice a crab at my Altar of the Sacred Cone. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:28:54 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Jeremy Osner wrote: >"Rain" is a title I do not recognize. I asked Ellen about it and she >said, "When the rain, falls down on our heads/ We might as well be --" >then pointed at me and I said dead. I kind of recognized the melody. >She's not sure what album it's from but thinks it is early. ...I'm definitely on the recently-noted side that appreciates Jeremy's honest, coming-from-a-younger-place posts, but...man, did THAT make me feel old (AND I was only 4 when "Rain" came out, so...hats off to those of you who actually were functioning music consumers during the song's initial release...) (also, admittedly, pretty much EVERYTHING makes me feel old lately...) ...On the other hand, I'm also on-goingly jealous of Jeremy about (potentially) all the cool, excellent stuff he's yet to experience from back then! (may I heartily recommend "John Lennon Plastic Ono Band," John's first "real" solo album? -- if you are not familiar with it -- its minimal, emotional songcraft is still breathtaking, nearly 40 yrs on...) Michael "And, after you've heard it a few times, go look up 'Primal Scream Therapy' and 'Arthur Janov' for some notable background..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeremy Osner wrote: > > >"Rain" is a title I do not recognize. I asked Ellen about it and she > >said, "When the rain, falls down on our heads/ We might as well be --" > >then pointed at me and I said dead. I kind of recognized the melody. > >She's not sure what album it's from but thinks it is early. > > ...I'm definitely on the recently-noted side that appreciates Jeremy's > honest, coming-from-a-younger-place posts, but...man, did THAT make > me feel old (AND I was only 4 when "Rain" came out, Shit, "Rain" was 6 when I was born, and that made me feel old too. It's kind of amazing that that was the b-side. Probably because it showed up the same week McCartney wrote the best song he ever wrote (the a-side, "Paperback Writer.") > so...hats off to those of you who actually were functioning music > consumers during the song's initial release...) (also, admittedly, > pretty much EVERYTHING makes me feel old lately...) So this isn't going to get any better any time soon. Fuck.... "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:38:49 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! Great Quail quail@shipwrecklibrary.com wrote: >And Lord almighty, he *hates* Rush. Admires their work ethic, but hates them >with a passion. But as he says, "They are better than Kansas." ..Well, I'll give you THAT... Michael "No matter my dislike for Rush, please -- fer gawd's sake! -- just keep Steve Walsh's whiny, self-important voice outta my ears (and head)..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:40:58 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > > "Rain" falls into the same category as "Waterloo Sunset" for me: Old songs > I wasn't familiar with until Robyn started covering them. "Rain" is definitely my favorite Beatles song. "Waterloo Sunset" is up there amongst Kinks tunes, but I'd have more trouble ranking Kinks output than Beatles. As to is US profile, what Miles said, basically. I had heard of it but never actually heard it until I purchased the album it was on. That was a long time ago in itself, though... well before most if not all of the film-soundtrack-inclusions and cover versions to which Miles alludes. - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:46:48 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM, wrote: > I thought about putting a "don't worry, no spoilers" heading - because I am very aware > of not spoiling people. I too tend to watch things (sometimes years) later, and though I > don't really care myself about getting spoiled, I understand how people can. > > Anyway, sorry. No big deal - at least part of my point was that it's my own damned fault for being irresistibly sucked in to the subject...even though I know there's a risk of spoilers... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:55:15 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeremy Osner wrote: > >>"Rain" is a title I do not recognize. I asked Ellen about it and she >>said, "When the rain, falls down on our heads/ We might as well be --" >>then pointed at me and I said dead. I kind of recognized the melody. >>She's not sure what album it's from but thinks it is early. > > > ...I'm definitely on the recently-noted side that appreciates Jeremy's honest, > coming-from-a-younger-place posts, but...man, did THAT make me feel old Having had a birthday in the last two months (12/20 - I'm 47), I keep thinking, no, that can't be right: "47" is middle-aged - am I supposed to take up golf, or Republicanism, or go shopping for minivans, or a blonde sports car? And where'd all this damned gray hair come from? (My wife informed me last night, quite affectionately, that in fact, none of the hairs in my beard are gray - the ones that aren't dark brown or black are white - and in a rapidly growing majority.) > > ...On the other hand, I'm also on-goingly jealous of Jeremy about > (potentially) all the cool, excellent stuff he's yet to experience from back > then! (may I heartily recommend "John Lennon Plastic Ono Band," John's first > "real" solo album? -- if you are not familiar with it -- its minimal, > emotional songcraft is still breathtaking, nearly 40 yrs on...) Yeah, that'll hit you like a brick. It seems like there are two opposing ways to approach music (many more than two, but I'm looking at these two): decontextualized, as its own beast, just the noises in the recording - and as a sort of musical archaeologist, cognizant of the layers and history that preceded and followed it (although in some respects, it's better to mentally strip off what followed: a lot of music sounds much less cliched when you realize that, like Shakespeare, it *invented* those cliches). I tend toward the latter - and it's always fun to discover new old music. (I still like a lot of new new music too - but why limit oneself, either way?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:56:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Few Words on Rush by Brother Quail, listen up, Mr. Broome! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Michael "No matter my dislike for Rush, please -- fer gawd's sake! -- just > keep Steve Walsh's whiny, self-important voice outta my ears (and head)..." > Sweeney Oh I'd say Kerry Livgren was much more self-important - that was one of the funniest things about that band, Walsh bellowing about drunken babes, and Livgren blathering on about some cosmic Jesus thing... The cognitive dissonance was...curious. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:03:14 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dwarf" To: "Kentucky Fried Jesus Christ" Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 3:38:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeremy Osner wrote: > > >>"Rain" is a title I do not recognize. I asked Ellen about it and she > >>said, "When the rain, falls down on our heads/ We might as well be --" > >>then pointed at me and I said dead. I kind of recognized the melody. > >>She's not sure what album it's from but thinks it is early. > > >...I'm definitely on the recently-noted side that appreciates Jeremy's > >honest, coming-from-a-younger-place posts, but...man, did THAT make > >me feel old (AND I was only 4 when "Rain" came out, >Shit, "Rain" was 6 when I was born, and that made me feel old too. It's kind of amazing that that was the b-side. Probably >because it showed up the same week McCartney wrote the best song he ever wrote (the a-side, "Paperback Writer.") Being 5 days older than Lucinda and a month and a half oder than Robyn, that made me 13 when "Rain" came out.B "Rain" had one of the first, if not the first backwards recorded guitar licks, right? Add some of Ringo's best moments on the drums and a great vocal and lyrics by John and you have one of my five favorite songs by the Beatles. I like "Paperback" Writer" almost as much, so it was some single and b-side! Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:15:56 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod - -- HwyCDRrev@aol.com is rumored to have mumbled on 9. Februar 2009 06:59:44 - -0500 regarding Robyn gives in and gets an iPod : > Candyman by Grateful Dead > Revelator by Gillian Welch > Rain by The Beatles > The Main Thing by Roxy Music > Golden Years by David Bowie > Nightfall by The Incredible String Band I'm happy (actually more like surprised) to report that with two exceptions those songs are on my iPod as well. I'm surprised because "Rain" is the only one I actually know. I guess I've listened to the others as well at one time or another, but they definitely haven't made much of an impression. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, djini@voicenet.com wrote: >> p.s. BSG season 4.5 rules. > > But - but - it's been making me want to kill myself! Yeah, but in a good way! No spoilers, but the last two episodes have really paid off the slower, moodier two at the start of the half-season. I didn't think the last one reached the excellent heights of the one before -- a few bits were too obvious -- but it was still quite good. And Alessandro Juliani's performance was simply great. > I know it will please Mr. Gross that I am re-watching Buffy, in its entirety. Indeed. Everyone should do this once in a while. I've often thought about not watching any Buffy for a couple of months and then watching the whole series (plus Angel) strictly in order, one episode or two-parter a day, while keeping a diary of my reactions. The hard part is that first part about not watching for a few months. Maybe this is the year I'll do it. Is that geeky enough? Or should I point out that I like Rush too? - --Geeky Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:22:46 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod Jeff wrote: > Having had a birthday in the last two months (12/20 - I'm 47), I keep> thinking, no, that can't be right: "47" is middle-aged - am I supposed> to take up golf, or Republicanism, or go shopping for minivans, or a> blonde sports car? And where'd all this damned gray hair come from?> (My wife informed me last night, quite affectionately, that in fact,> none of the hairs in my beard are gray - the ones that aren't dark> brown or black are white - and in a rapidly growing majority.) ...I hear ya, brutha -- my 47th is coming up in May (AND I turned older than my father ever got over the summer). ...And, as a bearded-guy-since-about-'84, I'll add this: Mine has grey-whited somewhat similar to Connery's -- it's still dark in the moustache and around the mouth and chin (basically, if it were a goatee -- or if I weren't quite so lazy -- it would all be dark)...and I actually once had someone (a younger relative -- niece, IIRC) ask me why I *only* colored the part around my mouth...sigh... Michael "Yes, there's a box of 'Just For Men' under my bahroom sink..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_02200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:25:21 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Two good things about the Grammys Did anyone else here watch Al Green singing "Let's Get Together" last night? It was nice, even taking into account the bizarre choice of Justin Timberlake to sing a verse. Boys 2 Men were a pretty decent backup group, but mainly it was just Al Green! And, I saw in the paper this morning that "Raising Sand" was the best album of the year, and it made me think the judges have pretty good taste. (Somehow my memory skipped a year; I thought that had come out in 2007. Either way it's a fine record.) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:28:11 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on 9. Februar 2009 11:24:18 -0800 regarding Re: Robyn gives in and gets an iPod: > Can't say I remember ever hearing WS on the radio. Growing up my > exposure to The Kinks was pretty much Lola, You Really Got Me, and a few > others. I think I "always" knew a few more through radio exposure, but I only realized much later that they were from the same band! When I got my first Kinks CD (Kronikles, only available in the US and bought there based on a recommendation by Ira Kaplan, who is a huge Kinks fan) I was surprised to find how many of those songs I already knew. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:33:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush) - -- djini@voicenet.com is rumored to have mumbled on 6. Februar 2009 18:58:41 -0500 regarding Re: BSG (because I have nothing to say about Rush): >> p.s. BSG season 4.5 rules. > > But - but - it's been making me want to kill myself! Yes, and I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. I guess I'll get the entire series on DVD when a box set comes out, and maybe then I will understand it, but right now I can't wait for it to be over. Basically all I care about right now is how it ends. I'm not invested in any of the characters anymore. I'm all for characters having weaknesses, but BSG is taking things too far. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #37 *******************************