From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #24 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 27 2009 Volume 17 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Doctor, Doctor [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [2fs ] Re: Fwd: "Canyons of Your Mind'? [Michael Sweeney ] Does anybody know where these come into the official history [Chris Hintz] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Sumiko Keay ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Great Quail ] Sterling Morrison talking to his beer [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Sterling Morrison talking to his beer [kevin studyvin ] Re: reap [Great Quail ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [2fs ] Re: reap [kevin studyvin ] Re: reap [Great Quail ] Re: reap [Jeremy Osner ] Re: reap [kevin studyvin ] Re: Sterling Morrison talking to his beer [2fs ] Re: reap [Jeremy Osner ] REAP... [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:46:59 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor > I am wont to call a person "sir" regardless > of class, gender, or social position. B-but not the ladies, surely! If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:37:08 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor On 1/26/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > I am wont to call a person "sir" regardless > > of class, gender, or social position. > > > B-but not the ladies, surely! Ah - another _Battlestar Galactica_ fan... (Jeremy - I don't think you were here for this particular lengthy discussion thereon...but I recall, before having seen the series (the "reimagined" one), that it was weird to refer to a woman as "sir." I think it was Lauren arguing the "pro" side on that. Having since become addicted to the damned show, I have utterly recanted my anti-"sir" position vis a vis the BSG world...if only because, whatever else you can say about that show, it presents a world in which *no one* - "good," "evil," or more often, quite admixed - imagines that women cannot do anything a man can do in the social world. "Sir" is (in the military context of the show) simply a title of respect, with no connotation of gender. I'll say also that this disregard of gender *in social action and function* does not mean people do not recognize gender in other ways, nor that men and women are perceived to be all alike. It's actually a weirdly utopian aspect a series that often is pitchblack in its dystopic setting & situation.) Having said all that: dammit, I just started watching the first part of S4 on DVD...so no bleeding spoilers, 'kay? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:16:04 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Fwd: "Canyons of Your Mind'? Jeff wrote: >I asked a likely expert about this - his answer is below. Does anyone here know different? > >> So did the Bonzos borrow the melody for "Canyons of Your Mind" from a pre-existing song? >> >> Because if they did not, I actually heard a muzak version of that song today in the mall. ...I am no help with that, but...sorta connected...I once heard a Rutles song - -- I'm pretty sure it was the Barry Wom-sung "Living in Hope" -- once done on the Muzak in a supermarket...no lie. Freaked me the heck out (and then I gratefully reflected on the hopeful pocket change heading to Neil from it...). Michael "Still Urban...but no longer a Spaceman" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_01200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: the doctor thing again Ferris asked whether the majority of the professors at Hamilton, who did not insist on the honoric, indeed had doctorates. I would say at least 85%-90% did. As for TAs, we didn't have any. All courses were taught by the professors because there were no graduate students. This is still true of many small liberal arts colleges. The only time I had a "class" with an upperclassman was for German discussion group, which was held once a week and led by a senior. When my son was in the last stages of making college decisions, it came down to two small liberal arts colleges (Williams and Amherst) and a big school with lots of grad students leading sections although professors still give the lectures (Harvard). The smaller schools were attractive because 100% of the courses are taught by professors, and that is one of their big selling points. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:15:41 -0500 From: Chris Hintz Subject: Does anybody know where these come into the official history I saw them pop up at iTunes a while back. I'd never known about them before. Huh. Any light anybody can shed? (Perhaps this has been covered previously?) http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=281875956&id=281875760&s=143441 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:51:45 -0600 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor When you're done - go find the webisodes that lead up to 4.5. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:37 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 1/26/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: >> > I am wont to call a person "sir" regardless >> > of class, gender, or social position. >> >> >> B-but not the ladies, surely! > > Ah - another _Battlestar Galactica_ fan... > > (Jeremy - I don't think you were here for this particular lengthy > discussion thereon...but I recall, before having seen the series (the > "reimagined" one), that it was weird to refer to a woman as "sir." I > think it was Lauren arguing the "pro" side on that. Having since > become addicted to the damned show, I have utterly recanted my > anti-"sir" position vis a vis the BSG world...if only because, > whatever else you can say about that show, it presents a world in > which *no one* - "good," "evil," or more often, quite admixed - > imagines that women cannot do anything a man can do in the social > world. "Sir" is (in the military context of the show) simply a title > of respect, with no connotation of gender. I'll say also that this > disregard of gender *in social action and function* does not mean > people do not recognize gender in other ways, nor that men and women > are perceived to be all alike. It's actually a weirdly utopian aspect > a series that often is pitchblack in its dystopic setting & > situation.) > > Having said all that: dammit, I just started watching the first part > of S4 on DVD...so no bleeding spoilers, 'kay? > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:53:58 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor Jeme writes, > To me, doctors are folks who advance human understanding by extending our > intellectual reach. People who practice medicine are "physicians". They > just took on the name "doctor" to give themselves the cred they felt they > deserved. Remind me not to have you call for help when I croak over of a heart attack in a crowded theater. >> B-but not the ladies, surely! > > Ah - another _Battlestar Galactica_ fan... I am fairly sure that's an actual naval custom -- calling a female enlisted officer "sir." It was also done on Star Trek: The Next Generation, too. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:12:59 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Sterling Morrison talking to his beer MAGPIE reprints a Sterling Morrison interview from 29 years ago, about hatred for folk music and new wave: http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=3960 J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:53:36 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Sterling Morrison talking to his beer Thanks for that...I always loved Sterling's interviews. There was nobody funnier. He was the living incarnation of the spirit Belushi was expressing when he reduced Steven Bishop's guitar to splinters in Animal House. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > MAGPIE reprints a Sterling Morrison interview from 29 years ago, about > hatred for folk music and new wave: > http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=3960 > > J > > If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the > essential words. -- Josi Saramago > http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap John Updike, 76. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/01/27/books/AP-Obit-Updike.html?_r=1&hp ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:17:33 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: reap > John Updike, 76. I am sure the Nobel Prize committee is thrilled! In another few years, there won't be any notable American writers left any more! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:40:56 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Sumiko Keay wrote: > When you're done - go find the webisodes that lead up to 4.5. Oh, I'm sure they'll end up on the DVD - after all, they already suckered me into buying _Razor_ twice...first as a standalone, then as part of the first part of S4... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:47:19 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: reap Dude. There are a few interesting ones - Michael Chabon, Kelly Link, Jeff VanderMeer, Jonathan Lethem, Elizabeth Hand - trapped in genre ghettos for the most part but very much worth looking at. Updike never did anything for me in any case - couldn't relate to his bourgeois sensibility. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Great Quail wrote: > > John Updike, 76. > > I am sure the Nobel Prize committee is thrilled! In another few years, > there > won't be any notable American writers left any more! > > --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:30:28 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: reap Kevin, I am sorry, I should have used brackets around my original post....! - --Quail PS... I am a pretty big fan of your listed writers, but most of them are too young for Nobel consideration. However, Pynchon, Roth, and McCarthy are all wonderful and deserving writers, except for the unpardonable sin of being American.... > Dude. There are a few interesting ones - Michael Chabon, Kelly Link, Jeff > VanderMeer, Jonathan Lethem, Elizabeth Hand - trapped in genre ghettos for > the most part but very much worth looking at. > > Updike never did anything for me in any case - couldn't relate to his > bourgeois sensibility. > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Great Quail > wrote: > >>> John Updike, 76. >> >> I am sure the Nobel Prize committee is thrilled! In another few years, >> there >> won't be any notable American writers left any more! >> >> --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:47:36 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: reap > Pynchon, Roth, and McCarthy are all > wonderful and deserving writers, except for the unpardonable sin of being > American.... I would love to hear Professor Irwin Corey giving the acceptance speech on TRP's behalf. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:22:22 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: reap On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > Pynchon, Roth, and McCarthy are all > > wonderful and deserving writers, except for the unpardonable sin of being > > American.... > > I would love to hear Professor Irwin Corey giving the acceptance > speech on TRP's behalf. > J Text is here, along with about a minute of audio: http://www.hyperarts.com/thomas-pynchon/gravitys-rainbow/extra/corey.html Apparently the entire speech is on a CD of Prof. Corey's, but I don't see it anywhere out there. This may be a job for a buddy of mine in Lost Angels who has pretty much anything ever recorded... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:10:26 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Sterling Morrison talking to his beer On 1/27/09, Jeremy Osner wrote: > MAGPIE reprints a Sterling Morrison interview from 29 years ago, about > hatred for folk music and new wave: > http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=3960 Thanks. You know, I don't think I'd ever read an interview with Sterling Morrison before. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:08:50 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: reap On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:22 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Text is here, along with about a minute of audio: Right; I meant I would like to hear Professor Corey giving the speech in Stockholm accepting Pynchon's putative prize. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:36:01 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: REAP... Damn... "NEW YORK  John Updike, the Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist, prolific man of letters and erudite chronicler of sex, divorce and other adventures in the postwar prime of the American empire, died Tuesday at age 76. Updike, best known for his four "Rabbit" novels, died of lung cancer at a hospice near his home in Beverly Farms, Mass., according to his longtime publisher, Alfred A. Knopf." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_en_ot/obit_updike_9 ...I woulda put him at early 80s if I guessed...Very good short stories, too... Michael "It'll be even worse for me when Roth goes..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_01200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:00:18 -0600 (CST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Great Quail wrote: > Jeme writes, > >> To me, doctors are folks who advance human understanding by extending >> our intellectual reach. People who practice medicine are "physicians". >> They just took on the name "doctor" to give themselves the cred they >> felt they deserved. > > Remind me not to have you call for help when I croak over of a heart > attack in a crowded theater. I don't get it. You're worried about what you'll get when I ask, "Is there a physician or EMT in the house?" Better than shouting the other and getting a Women's Studies professor. > I am fairly sure that's an actual naval custom -- calling a female > enlisted officer "sir." It was also done on Star Trek: The Next > Generation, too. I was just going to point that out. J. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #24 *******************************