From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #23 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 26 2009 Volume 17 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- If you're in Seattle right now, watching the snow... ["Nectar At Any Cost] Doctor, Doctor [Jill Brand ] goodnight oslo YEP ROC pre-order bonus question [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: goodnight oslo YEP ROC pre-order bonus question ["John B. Jones" ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [FSThomas ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [2fs ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Crib to reel thorts ["craigie*" ] Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? ["craigie*" ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? [kevin studyvin ] Re: Doctor, Doctor [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:41:44 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: If you're in Seattle right now, watching the snow... ...slap on *Snowflake Midnight*. okay, it ain't actually midnight right now. and, sure, maybe the effect isn't as good as watching *Wizzzzards of Oz* while listening to *Dark Side* (which i've not yet ever accomplished, for what it's worth). all th' same, it's a pretty good combo! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Doctor, Doctor I went to Hamilton College in central NY, and almost none of the professors asked the students to use "Dr." when being addressed. It was always "Mr." or "Mrs./Miss" and maybe a rare "Ms.", as the title had just come into being. A very very very few profs wanted to be called "Dr.", and everyone laughed at them behind their backs (other professors included). I don't know if this was/is true of other small liberal arts colleges (Hamilton is where Alexander Woollcott, BF Skinner, and Ezra Pound went to college). My husband has a doctorate in meteorology from MIT, but he never uses his title outside of scientific circles. Jill, wanting spring to come ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:32:48 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: goodnight oslo YEP ROC pre-order bonus question we seem to be offered a bonus CD for pre-order but it seems to be a digital download - was there ever a CD offered , or was it always a download ? my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:25:22 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: goodnight oslo YEP ROC pre-order bonus question I think you get both; the download now, and the cd-r to accompany the Oslo release. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM, wrote: > we seem to be offered a bonus CD for pre-order > but it seems to be a digital download - > was there ever a CD offered , or was it always a download ? > > my blog is "Yer Blog" > http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ > http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62 > ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:29:33 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: goodnight oslo YEP ROC pre-order bonus question thanks ! my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 1/25/2009 7:28:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jbj@tuthorse.net writes: I think you get both; the download now, and the cd-r to accompany the Oslo release. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:06:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Fwd: "Canyons of Your Mind'? I asked a likely expert about this - his answer is below. Does anyone here know different? ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" To: "Stewart M Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: "Canyons of Your Mind'? > So did the Bonzos borrow the melody for "Canyons of Your Mind" from a > pre-existing song? > > Because if they did not, I actually heard a muzak version of that song > today in the mall. > > Which will well and truly freak me out if it turns out to have been the case... From: Stewart M Date: Jan 25, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? To: 2fs Hm. Well, it's obviously based on Elvis big ballad hits, but no, I don't think they actually swiped a melody. So...cool! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:08:12 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor Jill Brand wrote: > I went to Hamilton College in central NY, and almost none of the > professors asked the students to use "Dr." when being addressed. It was > always "Mr." or "Mrs./Miss" and maybe a rare "Ms.", as the title had > just come into being. A very very very few profs wanted to be called > "Dr.", and everyone laughed at them behind their backs (other professors > included). I don't know if this was/is true of other small liberal arts > colleges (Hamilton is where Alexander Woollcott, BF Skinner, and Ezra > Pound went to college). Immediately it jumps to mind to ask how many had doctorates? Only about half of the professors I had actually scored doctorates before I had them. Just curious. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:19:38 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor On 1/25/09, FSThomas wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: > > > I went to Hamilton College in central NY, and almost none of the > professors asked the students to use "Dr." when being addressed. It was > always "Mr." or "Mrs./Miss" and maybe a rare "Ms.", as the title had just > come into being. A very very very few profs wanted to be called "Dr.", and > everyone laughed at them behind their backs (other professors included). I > don't know if this was/is true of other small liberal arts colleges > (Hamilton is where Alexander Woollcott, BF Skinner, and Ezra Pound went to > college). > > > > Immediately it jumps to mind to ask how many had doctorates? > > Only about half of the professors I had actually scored doctorates before I > had them. It also makes a difference who's doing the addressing (and, probably, the academic area). For example: younger undergrads know little of the technicalities of academic appointments (nor should they), and they also don't quite think of themselves as fully adults...and so all teachers tend to be addressed as "Professor So-and-So" (as I noted previously). Upper-level undergrads might begin either to get that TAs (even if they teach their own course), lecturers, adjuncts, and the like may not technically be "professors," and they may also begin calling profs within their field or major by first name (if they know them well, and if the prof has no objection). Grad students almost invariably refer to profs by their first names - there's one professor in our department who *insists* that she be referred to as "Professor [Last Name]" - and nearly everyone thinks that (for this and other reasons) she's a pompous ass. This is all in an English department - for all I know, everyone's more formal in other areas, say. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:51:30 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor and then i got a JD, which is a doctorate, but i get called "counselor". it's all weird to me. Doctors to me practice medicine. So i just call peopel by what they tell me to call em. ea On Jan 25, 2009, at 5:08 PM, FSThomas wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: >> I went to Hamilton College in central NY, and almost none of the >> professors asked the students to use "Dr." when being addressed. >> It was always "Mr." or "Mrs./Miss" and maybe a rare "Ms.", as the >> title had just come into being. A very very very few profs wanted >> to be called "Dr.", and everyone laughed at them behind their >> backs (other professors included). I don't know if this was/is >> true of other small liberal arts colleges (Hamilton is where >> Alexander Woollcott, BF Skinner, and Ezra Pound went to college). > > Immediately it jumps to mind to ask how many had doctorates? > > Only about half of the professors I had actually scored doctorates > before I had them. > > Just curious. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:31:57 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: Crib to reel thorts Back in the 80's (remember them?) Willie Rushton did four updated Molesworth stories for Radio 4. I have them on tape and can upload them somewhere if eny fule want them... c* aka : that boy there On 25/01/2009, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:55:31 -0500 >> From: "Stewart C. Russell" >> Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? >> > > when I hear the word Gillibrand, I reach for my Molesworth. >> > > * Have you seen this, Stewart? > > > > However, I haven't located Sir Gustav Godolphin Gillibrand's wee boy on > this site yet. Nor even 'Hullo Clouds Hullo Sky' basil fotherington-tomas... > > - Mike Godwin > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:50:34 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? It's an original. So be well and truly freaked! c* (long-time member of the Sir Henry At Rawlinson End group...) On 26/01/2009, 2fs wrote: > > I asked a likely expert about this - his answer is below. Does anyone > here know different? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "2fs" > To: "Stewart M > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: "Canyons of Your Mind'? > > > > > > So did the Bonzos borrow the melody for "Canyons of Your Mind" from a > > pre-existing song? > > > > Because if they did not, I actually heard a muzak version of that song > > today in the mall. > > > > Which will well and truly freak me out if it turns out to have been the > case... > > > From: Stewart M > Date: Jan 25, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? > To: 2fs > > > Hm. Well, it's obviously based on Elvis big ballad hits, but no, I > don't think they actually swiped a melody. So...cool! > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:59:32 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - --On 25. Januar 2009 17:43:38 -0500 Jill Brand wrote: > I went to Hamilton College in central NY, and almost none of the > professors asked the students to use "Dr." when being addressed. It was > always "Mr." or "Mrs./Miss" and maybe a rare "Ms.", as the title had just > come into being. A very very very few profs wanted to be called "Dr.", > and everyone laughed at them behind their backs (other professors > included). I don't know if this was/is true of other small liberal arts > colleges (Hamilton is where Alexander Woollcott, BF Skinner, and Ezra > Pound went to college). > > My husband has a doctorate in meteorology from MIT, but he never uses his > title outside of scientific circles. I'm glad you wrote that, because I feel the same way about these honorifics. In the aftermath of the 1968 student protests here in Germany, the use of titles had diminished if not completely vanished. I can't say for certain if this permeated all areas or only the Humanities. Anyway, recently I get the impression that there is a revival of the more formal discourse between students and teachers. I don't like that at all. Maybe it's because I have a strong anti-authoritarian streak, maybe it's because I've grown up in a family where just about everbody has a doctorate, but when somebody insists on his or her title that is reason enough for me to avoid them. I had a medical doctor once, who corrected me when I refered to my GP as "Frau ...". The first time I thought I had misheard, but when it happened again I asked him about it. According to him leaving out the title was proof of either bad upbringing ("schlechte Kinderstube") or of a psychological issue. Needless to say, I never went back there. In Germany there are now many "doctors" who don't have a doctorate, and it's common knowledge that doctorates in medicine are easy to come by compared to other subjects. That makes it all the more ludicrous that he should insist on being addressed only by title ... - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:35:52 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: "Canyons of Your Mind'? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:50 AM, craigie* wrote: > It's an original. > > So be well and truly freaked! > > c* > > (long-time member of the Sir Henry At Rawlinson End group...) Viv rules. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:37:53 -0600 (CST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Eleanore Adams wrote: > and then i got a JD, which is a doctorate, but i get called "counselor". > it's all weird to me. Doctors to me practice medicine. So i just call > peopel by what they tell me to call em. To me, doctors are folks who advance human understanding by extending our intellectual reach. People who practice medicine are "physicians". They just took on the name "doctor" to give themselves the cred they felt they deserved. A JD or an MD (or a DDS or DC or whatever you claim) is just a trade school certificate. They call it "doctor", but it's only a signifier of mastery of a craft and not any assurance that the title-bearer could reconstruct their field from first principles. To me, a doctor is one who can be trustd to accurately call bullshit. That's their whole role. And now my favorite anecdote on title-bearing: I should note at the outset that I am wont to call a person "sir" regardless of class, gender, or social position. It is a playful but honest means of showing my respect to any and all people. I was walking past a philosophy professor -- one with whom I'd taken some interesting courses and had a few very interesting conversations -- on an outdoor catwalk as he took a cigarette late in the day. I passed and we made eye contact. I raised my hand and said, "Good afternoon, sir." He looked slightly aghast and said (in his unintentionally hilarious natural Norwegian accent), "Hey! My father was a "sir"!" I smiled at this perceived call for familiar address, but his expression didn't change. "I'm a DOCTOR!" And when my eyes widened in shock, he smiled huge and said, "...which means you call me Tom!" What a rollercoaster of social anxiety that was! J. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #23 *******************************