From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #22 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 25 2009 Volume 17 : Number 022 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [Tom Clark ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [Poem Lover ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Crib to reel thorts [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:00:44 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Poem Lover wrote: > Condeleeza Rice was always Dr. Rice. Reminds me of a story which I think I heard on Letterman's old "Brush With Greatness" bit. The guy telling it says he got into an elevator with Henry Kissinger and tried to have a conversation with him. "Oh, Mr. Kissinger it's a pleasure to meet you...Mr. Kissinger this...Mr. Kissinger that..." The doors open and Kissinger just looks at him and says "It's DOCTOR Kissinger", and walks out. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? It doesn't, but it's actually surprising that they call her that. I'm "Dr." too and I can't tell you how many times my students call me "Mrs" and even "Miss." My male colleagues never have this problem. They are never called "Mr." In fact, the men who are instructors (not PhDs) are more likely to be called "Dr" than "Mr," whereas women are more likely to be called "Miss" or "Mrs." regardless of their degree status. - --- On Sat, 1/24/09, 2fs wrote: From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? To: "Poem Lover" Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:15 AM On 1/23/09, Poem Lover wrote: > Condeleeza Rice was always Dr. Rice. Yes - but "Dr." does not have the specifically feminist connotations of "Ms." I mean, in parts of America a woman calling herself "Ms." anything is tantamount to saying she has abortion parties for Satan. Really, I wish this weren't even close to true... > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, 2fs wrote: > From: 2fs > Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? > To: "Jeff Dwarf" > Cc: "Kentucky Fried Jesus Christ" > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 3:33 AM > > > On 1/23/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > > > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that > she is > > > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is > refered to > > > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" > and "Mrs." had been > > > abolished altogether? > > > > > > Whether to go by Ms. or Miss/Mrs. is usually a matter of personal > preference, with Ms. sort of being used as a default if you don't know. It > is apparently known that Hillary apparently likes Mrs. Clinton, so she is called > that. > > My guess is that as part of her retrofit to make her more palatable to > the center and right of America (see also: /=/"Hillary Rodham" or > even > "Hillary Rodham Clinton"), she dropped the "Ms." in lieu of > "Mrs." to > downplay "accusations" of feminism. > > I don't really like Hillary Clinton... > > -- > > ....Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- ....Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:13:27 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? kevin studyvin wrote: > > when I hear the word Gillibrand, I reach for my Molesworth. > > I get the hint of a joke in there, but some elucidation may be necessary > for us benighted Merk'ns. Gillibrand is a minor friend of the author in Willans & Searle's Molesworth books. Mid-20th century English public school humour, as any fule kno. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:31:15 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Crib to reel thorts > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:55:31 -0500 > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? > when I hear the word Gillibrand, I reach for my Molesworth. * Have you seen this, Stewart? However, I haven't located Sir Gustav Godolphin Gillibrand's wee boy on this site yet. Nor even 'Hullo Clouds Hullo Sky' basil fotherington-tomas... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:45:14 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? On 1/24/09, Poem Lover wrote: > It doesn't, but it's actually surprising that they call her that. I'm "Dr." > too and I can't tell you how many times my students call me "Mrs" and even > "Miss." My male colleagues never have this problem. They are never called > "Mr." In fact, the men who are instructors (not PhDs) are more likely to be > called "Dr" than "Mr," whereas women are more likely to be called "Miss" or > "Mrs." regardless of their degree status. What type of "Dr." are you, and what part of the country are you in? I wonder if there isn't some variation there... It sounds like you're at a college or university - around here (Wisconsin), instructors are typically referred to as "Professor" so-and-so, regardless of gender (and students assume teachers are professors whether they are or not: technically, I'm not, since I don't have a Ph.D....but I get called "Professor Norman" frequently. I've given up correcting folks... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #22 *******************************