From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #21 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, January 24 2009 Volume 17 : Number 021 Today's Subjects: ----------------- FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D [2fs ] Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [Tom Clark ] Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D [Rex ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [2fs ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [Poem Lover ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [2fs ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? [kevin studyvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:58:35 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D The album has attracted praise from rock musicians. Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers stated that the first time he heard the record, "It completely changed the way I looked at rock music and sent me on my trip as a bass player." [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment! Liner notes to Infinite Zero Archive/American Recordings reissue, 1995 my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Okay: I wouldn't be saying that if I didn't think Flea & RHCP are a bunch of morons whose brains barely fill those infamous socks. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:46:31 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: New bassist for Faces: Flea Kevin wrote: >Jeez, didn't they think to ask Bill Wyman? ...They may have been afraid to find out from whoever picked up the phone that - -- "Oops, let me poke 'im and see...Nope, 'e's dead..." Michael "Charlie and Moonie were equally accomplished in completely different ways...but I'm still sorta surprised that Entwistle's amazing skills didn't inspire Wyman to just off himself out of comparative embarrassment back then..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_01200 9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:52:11 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: New bassist for Faces: Flea Jeff wiff 2 effs wrote: >On 1/22/09, kevin studyvin wrote: >> Jeez, didn't they think to ask Bill Wyman? > >Wyman is retired from the music biz and bought an estate in Wales, >where he's a girl-farmer. ...Je suis un ancient, dickhead semi-pedophile... Michael "Although, I must admit sheepishly really enjoying that cheesy song..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:18:48 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D > See, this just proves what a poseur Flea is: the guy needed to > discover funk-style bass-playing from Gang of Four. (Nothing against > Go4...but they hardly originated that kind of playing.) > > Okay: I wouldn't be saying that if I didn't think Flea & RHCP are a > bunch of morons whose brains barely fill those infamous socks. > So what you're saying is, their brains are in their... Never really understood why people insisted on using the word "funk" in connection with G4 anyway - actual funk bands don't go in for that kind of painfully thin, trebly sound in my experience. For what it's worth Flea did whup Ben Stiller at b-ball when he guested on his Fox sketch show, back in the eighties sometime. np Tanya Donelly: Lovesongs For Underdogs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:25:21 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: New bassist for Faces: Flea > Michael "Charlie and Moonie were equally accomplished in completely > different > ways...but I'm still sorta surprised that Entwistle's amazing skills didn't > inspire Wyman to just off himself out of comparative embarrassment back > then..." Sweeney > That obnoxious Pepsi spot built on permutations of "My Generation" is kind of nice because I hadn't heard that tune in a coon's age, and the mix really brings up Entwhistle and illustrates how hard his playing could swing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:28:11 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D My experience with the Gang of 4 is remarkably similar to my experience with the Fall: falling deeply in long-term love with one album ("Entertainment!", "Live at the Witch Trials"), never really making any effort to learn about the rest of their work. I think of "Entertainment!" as one of the greatest albums ever, and know most of the songs by heart, but I would not be able to name another Gang of 4 record, even though I have owned and listened to one or more other of their records at various points. It would not have occurred to me to think of them as a Funk band. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: >> See, this just proves what a poseur Flea is: the guy needed to >> discover funk-style bass-playing from Gang of Four. (Nothing against >> Go4...but they hardly originated that kind of playing.) >> >> Okay: I wouldn't be saying that if I didn't think Flea & RHCP are a >> bunch of morons whose brains barely fill those infamous socks. >> > > > So what you're saying is, their brains are in their... > > Never really understood why people insisted on using the word "funk" in > connection with G4 anyway - actual funk bands don't go in for that kind of > painfully thin, trebly sound in my experience. > > For what it's worth Flea did whup Ben Stiller at b-ball when he guested on > his Fox sketch show, back in the eighties sometime. > > np Tanya Donelly: Lovesongs For Underdogs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:17:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that she is refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is refered to as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" and "Mrs." had been abolished altogether? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that she is > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is refered to > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" and "Mrs." had been > abolished altogether? Whether to go by Ms. or Miss/Mrs. is usually a matter of personal preference, with Ms. sort of being used as a default if you don't know. It is apparently known that Hillary apparently likes Mrs. Clinton, so she is called that. In Kirsten's case, either it's known that she prefers Ms. Gillibrand or her preference is unknown, so the story used Ms. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:28:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that she is > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is refered to > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" and "Mrs." had been > abolished altogether? My guess is that since Hillary came to prominence as the President's wife, she will always be referred to as Mrs. If this was from the New York Times you may be able to find out in their style guide: - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:10:16 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > My experience with the Gang of 4 is remarkably similar to my > experience with the Fall: falling deeply in long-term love with one > album ("Entertainment!", "Live at the Witch Trials"), never really > making any effort to learn about the rest of their work. The first three Go4 records are damned great, as are the attendant EP's. Eddie will tell you all about Shrinkwrapped, which is the best of the latter-day and reunion things. If you love "Entertainment!", you'll like at least some of the others. Please pick up some Au Pairs while you're at it, too. All the other Fall albums are crap, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:23:24 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: FLEA- it's all The Gang Of Four's fault :-D On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > The album has attracted praise from rock musicians. Flea of the Red Hot > Chili Peppers stated that the first time he heard the record, "It > completely > changed the way I looked at rock music and sent me on my trip as a bass > player." > [2] I remember that in those liner notes. He goes on to bash The Edge extravagantly. The testimonial right after that is by Bono. All brought to you by Hank Rollins' reissue label! Jeff N: > See, this just proves what a poseur Flea is: the guy needed to > discover funk-style bass-playing from Gang of Four. (Nothing against Go4...but they hardly originated that kind of playing.) Well, assuming Flea's being honest, that's one thing that shouldn't be held against him. If he happens not to have heard any even vaguely funky bass-playing before he heard Go4, it's probably not his fault. What he went on to do with his discovery, now... - -Rex, who shouldn't speak ill of the guy who runs his friendly neighborhood kid's music consortium, but... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:14:26 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: New bassist for Faces: Flea On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > That obnoxious Pepsi spot built on permutations of "My Generation" is kind > of nice because I hadn't heard that tune in a coon's age, and the mix > really > brings up Entwhistle and illustrates how hard his playing could swing. Who songs are *really* over-licensed these days, aren't they? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:33:51 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? On 1/23/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that she is > > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is refered to > > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" and "Mrs." had been > > abolished altogether? > > > Whether to go by Ms. or Miss/Mrs. is usually a matter of personal preference, with Ms. sort of being used as a default if you don't know. It is apparently known that Hillary apparently likes Mrs. Clinton, so she is called that. My guess is that as part of her retrofit to make her more palatable to the center and right of America (see also: /=/"Hillary Rodham" or even "Hillary Rodham Clinton"), she dropped the "Ms." in lieu of "Mrs." to downplay "accusations" of feminism. I don't really like Hillary Clinton... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? Condeleeza Rice was always Dr. Rice. - --- On Sat, 1/24/09, 2fs wrote: From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? To: "Jeff Dwarf" Cc: "Kentucky Fried Jesus Christ" Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 3:33 AM On 1/23/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that she is > > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is refered to > > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" and "Mrs." had been > > abolished altogether? > > > Whether to go by Ms. or Miss/Mrs. is usually a matter of personal preference, with Ms. sort of being used as a default if you don't know. It is apparently known that Hillary apparently likes Mrs. Clinton, so she is called that. My guess is that as part of her retrofit to make her more palatable to the center and right of America (see also: /=/"Hillary Rodham" or even "Hillary Rodham Clinton"), she dropped the "Ms." in lieu of "Mrs." to downplay "accusations" of feminism. I don't really like Hillary Clinton... - -- ....Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:15:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? On 1/23/09, Poem Lover wrote: > Condeleeza Rice was always Dr. Rice. Yes - but "Dr." does not have the specifically feminist connotations of "Ms." I mean, in parts of America a woman calling herself "Ms." anything is tantamount to saying she has abortion parties for Satan. Really, I wish this weren't even close to true... > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, 2fs wrote: > From: 2fs > Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? > To: "Jeff Dwarf" > Cc: "Kentucky Fried Jesus Christ" > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 3:33 AM > > > On 1/23/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > Hey, just a quick semi-linguistic question: reading an article about > > > Kirsten Gillibrand's nomination for the Senate I noticed that > she is > > > refered to as "Ms. Gillibrand" whereas Hillary Clinton is > refered to > > > as "Mrs. Clinton". What gives? I thought "Miss" > and "Mrs." had been > > > abolished altogether? > > > > > > Whether to go by Ms. or Miss/Mrs. is usually a matter of personal > preference, with Ms. sort of being used as a default if you don't know. It > is apparently known that Hillary apparently likes Mrs. Clinton, so she is called > that. > > My guess is that as part of her retrofit to make her more palatable to > the center and right of America (see also: /=/"Hillary Rodham" or > even > "Hillary Rodham Clinton"), she dropped the "Ms." in lieu of > "Mrs." to > downplay "accusations" of feminism. > > I don't really like Hillary Clinton... > > -- > > ....Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:55:31 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? when I hear the word Gillibrand, I reach for my Molesworth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:23:56 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Why is it Mrs. Clinton? I get the hint of a joke in there, but some elucidation may be necessary for us benighted Merk'ns. On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > when I hear the word Gillibrand, I reach for my Molesworth. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #21 *******************************