From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #19 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 21 2009 Volume 17 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wow-- for real? [Rex ] Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one [Bret ] Re: Wow-- for real? [FSThomas ] Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one [2fs ] Re: Wow-- for real? [2fs ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Tom Clark ] Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Poem Lover ] King Lizard [Great Quail ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Great Quail ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Christopher Gross ] Re: For the inauguration ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: Wow-- for real? [2fs ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Eric Loehr ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Christopher Gross ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Wow-- for real? [Jeff Dwarf ] re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one [Barbara Soutar Subject: Wow-- for real? From the Actual President's speech today: "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus  and non-believers." Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We *never* rate! Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! Good day all around, I'd say. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:35:58 -0600 From: Bret Subject: Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one Wow. If I did not see it on Pitchfork, I'd have sworn it was from The Onion. - -b On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM, wrote: > > > > > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/148514-neil-young-to-release-potent > > ially-batshit-concept-album< > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/148514-neil-young-to-release-potentially-batshit-concept-album > > > > > > Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album > > Yes, another one > > > > Yesssssss!!! > > 2009 already ROCKS, man!!! > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? Rex wrote: > From the Actual President's speech today: > "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a > weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and > Hindus and non-believers." > > Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the > end. We *never* rate! His mother was agnostic. Still a bit of a surprise given that we're less popular than the homos. But very nice. > Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! > > Good day all around, I'd say. My favorite moment. What can I say, I'm just a mean person. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4GkrWt76g "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:15:11 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? Rex wrote: >>From the Actual President's speech today: > "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We > are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus  and > non-believers." > > Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We > *never* rate! > > Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! > > Good day all around, I'd say. I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. I can't recall any inaugural speeches, but my father, 83 years in the making, said he couldn't recall a more eloquent speaker, and I have to agree with him. The speech touched a lot of subjects, all of them well. I'm sure there's some who won't like that their topics weren't spoken to, or that they weren't taken to the brink with a hard-line stance, but all-in-all it was a good address. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:24:18 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one On 1/20/09, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM, wrote: > > > > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/148514-neil-young-to-release-potent > > > ially-batshit-concept-album > > > > > Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album > > Yes, another one > > > > > Yesssssss!!! I'm hoping the Archives project eventually releases Neil's scuttled 1977 concept album about the metric system, _A Man Needs a Meter Maid_... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:25:32 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM, FSThomas wrote: > Rex wrote: > >> From the Actual President's speech today: >>> >> "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We >> are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and >> non-believers." >> >> Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We >> *never* rate! >> >> Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! >> >> Good day all around, I'd say. >> > > I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. Well, I agree, Of course, what I'd really like is to hear that we are a nation where both rational people and those who believe the universe is governed by magical invisible capricious superheroes can get along and respect each other, but I don't guess that'll ever happen. It's okay. I am honestly impressed to even get a shout-out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:25:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On 1/20/09, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Rex wrote: > > From the Actual President's speech today: > > "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a > > weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and > > Hindus and non-believers." > > > > Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the > > end. We *never* rate! > > > His mother was agnostic. Still a bit of a surprise given that we're less popular than the homos. Plus, Frank Zappa never wrote a song celebrating the sexual proclivities of atheists. I'm sure he would have gotten around to it if he hadn't died. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:45:14 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On Jan 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM, FSThomas > wrote: > >> Rex wrote: >> >>> From the Actual President's speech today: >>>> >>> "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a >>> weakness. We >>> are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and >>> non-believers." >>> >>> Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the >>> end. We >>> *never* rate! >>> >>> Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! >>> >>> Good day all around, I'd say. >>> >> >> I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. > > > Well, I agree, Of course, what I'd really like is to hear that we > are a > nation where both rational people and those who believe the universe > is > governed by magical invisible capricious superheroes can get along and > respect each other, but I don't guess that'll ever happen. It's okay. > > I am honestly impressed to even get a shout-out. I think his use of 'non-believers' is kind of like the original Gilligan's Island theme, where the Professor and Mary Anne were referred to as 'the rest'. I don't see why he couldn't have said 'atheist', except that that word rings like 'pro-choice' to some. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:49:57 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:10 AM, wrote: > >> >> http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/148514-neil-young-to- >> release-potent >> ially-batshit-concept-album> news/148514-neil-young-to-release-potentially-batshit-concept-album> >> >> Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album >> Yes, another one >> > > Yesssssss!!! > > 2009 already ROCKS, man!!! > > -Rex Are you buying your Archives on DVD or Blu-Ray? - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:24:11 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > Are you buying your Archives on DVD or Blu-Ray? The Blu-Ray release was scuttled. The actual format on which it will be released probably hasn't been invented yet. Maybe you'll actually have to buy Neil's electric car to play it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:18:38 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Jan 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Rex wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM, FSThomas wrote: >> >> Rex wrote: >>> >>> From the Actual President's speech today: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. >>>> We >>>> are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and >>>> non-believers." >>>> >>>> Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We >>>> *never* rate! >>>> >>>> Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! >>>> >>>> Good day all around, I'd say. >>>> >>>> >>> I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. >>> >> >> >> Well, I agree, Of course, what I'd really like is to hear that we are a >> nation where both rational people and those who believe the universe is >> governed by magical invisible capricious superheroes can get along and >> respect each other, but I don't guess that'll ever happen. It's okay. >> >> I am honestly impressed to even get a shout-out. >> > > I think his use of 'non-believers' is kind of like the original Gilligan's > Island theme, where the Professor and Mary Anne were referred to as 'the > rest'. > I don't see why he couldn't have said 'atheist', except that that word > rings like 'pro-choice' to some. At least the pro-choice community finally has its own donut chain. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? Um, I think he was referring to those of us who don't think that Starbucks' coffee is that great. ;p - --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Rex wrote: From: Rex Subject: Wow-- for real? To: "Snakesmaniax" Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 3:22 AM From the Actual President's speech today: "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and non-believers." Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We *never* rate! Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! Good day all around, I'd say. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:50:38 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: King Lizard Terrence writes, > But then, Lizard is my favorite King Crimson album so it all > just goes to show. "Lizard" is one of my favorites, too! Side One is just amazing, such *strange* songs....and then the sudden appearance of Jon Anderson on Side Two, what with those giant deep bass saxophones, too... I am also real partial to "Islands," the other "forgotten" KC album... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:03:11 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? > I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. But... I *am* a non-believer. In fact, I don't even believe atheists. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:18:49 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? > But... I *am* a non-believer. Uh-Then I didn't see your face, Now I'm a non-believer Now there's only doubt in my mind If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, FSThomas wrote: >> "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We >> are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus  and >> non-believers." >> >> Holy shit, I can't believe he actually threw us in there at the end. We >> *never* rate! >> >> Hallelujah-- I've been enfranchised! >> >> Good day all around, I'd say. > > I would have liked an agnostic nod with the atheist, but whatever. I figured "non-believer" was intended to cover both agnostics and atheists. (As well as those of us who decline to label ourselves but are agnostics or atheists in effect). If "belief" is understood to mean specifically religious belief, then I think "non-believer" is a pretty good term, covering all who aren't religious believers. And I doubt even Obama would dare to say "free-thinkers," which would sound a little too positive. - --Chris "I wonder if the Wiccans are pissed off?" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:44:28 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: For the inauguration thomas jefferson would not agree, of course. personally, i think it's a pretty banal thing to be proud of. i somehow suspect that the victims of our most decidedly *non*-peaceful worldwide reign of murder, mayhem, rape, pillage, despoliation, and cetera couldn't give two fucks how peacefully we've been able to "change our national leadership" -- without changing our fundamental policies. anyway, given the assassinations, you couldn't even say that it's technically true, could you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:35:41 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On 1/21/09, Christopher Gross wrote: > And I doubt even Obama would dare to say "free-thinkers," which would sound > a little too positive. I've always hated that term...along with other self-congratulatory labels. Given that one thing I hate about some religious folks is their smug self-righteousness, I'd be hypocritical not to hate in non-believers as well. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:51:35 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? Jeremy Osner wrote: >> But... I *am* a non-believer. > > > Uh-Then I didn't see your face, > Now I'm a non-believer > Now there's only doubt in my mind > Paul? Unless I'm misreading this reference, I think you may have meant "Hey, hey, we're the..." Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, 2fs wrote: >> And I doubt even Obama would dare to say "free-thinkers," which would sound >> a little too positive. > > I've always hated that term...along with other self-congratulatory > labels. Given that one thing I hate about some religious folks is > their smug self-righteousness, I'd be hypocritical not to hate in > non-believers as well. Agreed; but at least "free-thinkers" is tons better than, ugh, "Brights." Yep, Brights. See http://the-brights.net/ , and PZ Myers' comment at http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/06/brights.php . - --Chris "I have similar problems with the term 'Objectivists'" the Alwayscorrectist ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:00:25 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? > Paul? Unless I'm misreading this reference, I think you may have meant Oh gosh, how embarrassing! No you're reading correctly, I'm screwing up my pop-culture refs. Aargh. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:10:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wow-- for real? 2fs wrote: > On 1/21/09, Christopher Gross wrote: > > And I doubt even Obama would dare to say "free-thinkers," which > > would sound a little too positive. > > I've always hated that term...along with other self-congratulatory > labels. Given that one thing I hate about some religious folks is > their smug self-righteousness, I'd be hypocritical not to hate in > non-believers as well. A-motherfuckin'-men. It's also inaccurate since there is more to genuinely free thought than not having an (allegedly) imaginary friend, (nor is lacking one a requirement). Non-believers is actually I think the appropriately neutral term to encompass the range of people included in it (well, areligious is probably better, but in a speech like that it would just end up confusing people who could have misheard him). "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:47:30 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one He already staked out that territory with Long May You Run. Took me a couple of decades to figure out it was a tribute to his beloved old car. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:15:41 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album Yes, another one > > > Neil Young to Release Potentially Batshit Concept Album > > > Yes, another one > > > > > > > > > Yesssssss!!! > > I'm hoping the Archives project eventually releases Neil's scuttled > 1977 concept album about the metric system, _A Man Needs a Meter > Maid_... Isn't that where "Motor City" was originally scheduled to appear, only it finally wound up on Reactor? But really - Trans wasn't the end, and this won't be either. Not that I'm anxious to hear it, or anything. I'll just keep spinning Chrome Dreams deux until he gets the Horse back together again... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:06:20 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: For the inauguration (Amazonia or Hi, Obama!) - - Steve _____________ Consciousness occurs at the fundamental level of Planck scale geometry, normally in and around microtubules between our ears. But when brain coherence is lost, quantum information related to consciousness and the unconscious mind remain in the universe, distributed but still entangled. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #19 *******************************