From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #16 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 18 2009 Volume 17 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Best Vocalists [David Witzany ] Re: Painfully Honest Year-End List [Sebastian Hagedorn ] My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... [] Re: more female vocalists [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #15 [James Dignan ] Re: Okej Yeah ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Dmitry ["kevin studyvin" ] OST addendum ["kevin studyvin" ] reap [djini@voicenet.com] Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #15 [Steve Schiavo ] Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... [] Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) etc. [Steve Sc] Fwd: Painfully Honest Year-End List [Rex ] Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... [] is anyone (a) here and (b) awake? [lep ] Re: is anyone (a) here and (b) awake? [lep ] The Perfect Prescription [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Was it The Crow? [Great Quail ] Re: The Perfect Prescription [Eleanore Adams ] Re: The Perfect Prescription ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: The Perfect Prescription [Marc Alberts ] Re: Was it The Crow? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: The Perfect Prescription [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:53:38 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: Re: Best Vocalists Best male vocalist: Sam Cooke Best female vocalist: Ella Fitzgerald Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:50:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Painfully Honest Year-End List - -- Rex is rumored to have mumbled on 12. Januar 2009 17:27:46 -0800 regarding Re: Painfully Honest Year-End List: [Wire] > Good times! Damn, the show got cancel(l)ed: German tour and London show cancelled Wire are sorry to have to announce the cancellation of January's German tour and the preceding warm-up show at Cargo in London. This is due to a domestic accident suffered by bassist Graham Lewis. Graham says: "I've injured my left hand. My doctor has advised me that I will not have recovered sufficiently, in time to undertake the German tour. Therefore we (Wire) felt it best to cancel the tour as quickly as possible to minimise inconvenience. We are very sorry about this and hope to reschedule the German tour as soon as possible, and to be back performing at full strength by the end of February." - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:37:14 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Painfully Honest Year-End List On 1/13/09, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Rex is rumored to have mumbled on 12. Januar > 2009 17:27:46 -0800 regarding Re: Painfully Honest Year-End List: > > [Wire] > > > Good times! > > > > Damn, the show got cancel(l)ed: > > German tour and London show cancelled > Wire are sorry to have to announce the cancellation of January's German > tour and the preceding warm-up show at Cargo in London. This is due to a > domestic accident suffered by bassist Graham Lewis. Graham says: "I've > injured my left hand. My doctor has advised me that I will not have > recovered sufficiently, in time to undertake the German tour. Therefore we > (Wire) felt it best to cancel the tour as quickly as possible to minimise > inconvenience. We are very sorry about this and hope to reschedule the > German tour as soon as possible, and to be back performing at full strength > by the end of February." The version I read continued, "Perhaps it was a poor idea to volunteer in assisting that blind knife-thrower in her training." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:52:30 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... yeah, so i made my usual saturday trip to the asian markets to stock up on durian, young cocos, and sapodilla -- only to find them (the markets) overflowing with humanity purchasing ENORMOUS stocks of groceries. totally blew me down and baffled me sideways. then i figured it out: these sons of bitches must be planning some *huge-assed* inauguration parties. (uh, either that or it's the chinese new year.) i don't think he's on friendly terms with either andy *or* matthew. i've wondered why the decemberists have never covered a robyn song, to be honest. i almost think it's 'cause colin reveres him a little too much, or something. thanks for that link, jonesie! you the top mo'-fuckin' dog! that reminds me! i simply loved her rendition of "Leaving Las Vegas" in *Big Lebowski*, and have always meant to check out some of her work, but have never gotten around to it. i guess eleven years is about long enough. any recommendations? would it get me tarred and feathered were i to admit that i don't like her voice? the absolute worst, though (apart from joanna newsom, who's in her own category) has got to be joan baez. so what did you end up doing (if you don't mind my asking)? a fortune cookie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:26:59 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: more female vocalists >On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM, >edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk ><edwardofsim@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >Tanya Donelly for me. > >peace, >Edward > > > >I'll second that one. And Dusty Springfield. Much as I love >Siouxsie I'd never characterize her as a great singer. Great >*performer* though. Point taken. But dammit I forgotto add Liz Fraser to that list.... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:38:13 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #15 >Subject: Just when you thought people couldn't get any stupider > >http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php Egad - what next... coming soon to a courthouse near you: The American Life League vs Devo? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:55:23 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Okej Yeah Sheltered Life? On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Rex wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > > > I think he's just paving the way for a Robyn & Robyn album. > > > > "R&R", no doubt. Guess what Velvet Underground song they cover. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:00:14 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Dmitry > Your solution is to gut taxes...which, on its face, would seem to give > consumers a huge chunk of money to play with. Of course, if those > taxes are drastically cut, many government programs will also have to > be cut. Please specify which, and whether they would be privatized, > and what percentage of people's now-freed-up tax dollars would be > redirected to those now-privatized (and profit-seeking) enterprises. > NB if you're working for nine bucks an hour, the difference between taxes-no taxes isn't going to knock yer socks off anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:10:44 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: OST addendum It occurred to me there's another soundtrack album I didn't mention during the recent go-round, namely the charming wash of tango music on the Waking Life soundtrack disc. Nifty proto-Piazzola tunes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: reap Chris wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:58:33 -0500 (EST) > From: Christopher Gross > Subject: reap > > Andrew Wyeth, 91. (Another one of those "I didn't realize he was still > alive" deaths.) > "Stop" is the painting currently on the home page. I wonder if it was put up there today. http://www.andrewwyeth.com/ I have such mixed feelings about Wyeth. He painted, over and over, the landscape of my childhood - I was raised a couple miles up the Brandywine from where he has lived for decades. So I love the paintings for the familiar images and colors, but the mood of them, melancholy edging over into sentimentality, makes me nuts. I'm already painfully nostalgic for my home country, now largely developed. Seeing it in that wistful half-tone light does not help. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:40:40 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V17 #15 On Jan 17, 2009, at 3:38 PM, James Dignan wrote: >> Subject: Just when you thought people couldn't get any stupider >> >> http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro- >> life_group_up_in_arms_over.php > > Egad - what next... coming soon to a courthouse near you: The > American Life League vs Devo? As they are of the "every sperm is sacred" school, it would be The American Life League vs. Anybody who wants to use contraception. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:36:50 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... >that reminds me! B i simply loved her rendition of "Leaving Las Vegas" in >*Big Lebowski*, and have always meant to check out some of her work, but >have never gotten around to it. B i guess eleven years is about long enough. >any recommendations? Eddie, here are four Shawn Colvin recommendations: Fat City A Few Small Repairs Live '88 Cover Girl (her covers album) I saw her live back in the mid 90's when she was touring her covers album, and she put on a nice showB despiteB playingB outdoors inB an amphitheater was too large for her. A small club seating around 200 would have been better setting.B Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:13:10 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) etc. On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > > that reminds me! i simply loved her rendition of "Leaving Las > Vegas" in > *Big Lebowski*, and have always meant to check out some of her > work, but > have never gotten around to it. i guess eleven years is about long > enough. > any recommendations? Steady On, which you should be able to find cheap. - - Steve _______________ Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:39:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Fwd: Painfully Honest Year-End List On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Great Quail wrote: > Rex writes, > > I confess, I don't understand. You think IODOT as a concert is not a bad > idea, it's one of your favorite albums, but you skipped it because you are > bored with the concept? That seems to me to be placing self-identification > above actual happiness. I mean, it's your life, you can do what you want. I > just honestly do not understand, it seems like...inviting crankiness into > one's life for no good reason. Like those people who love something only > until a certain number of other people start liking it too. I just don't > get > it. > Well, if I'd told the whole story it would have been really boring, but basically (A) yes, bored with the concept, (B) as I mentioned, this is not one of my "IODOT years", and (C) life, children, finances, schedules, that kind of thing. If it had been another V3 show, I would have made time for it. And I'm not about to complain about family obligations. I know that "childless by choice" is big hereabouts, but I take the obligations of parenthood seriously and I guarantee I get more happiness out of time with my kids than I would from any number of Fleet Foxes records, and, yep, even the IODOT show. It's funny that you would suggest I put "self-identification before happiness". I don't think I know anyone who does that *less* than me, whereas it seems to be one of your prime motivating drives. And that puzzles me; I can only guess that you yourself are not aware of the many ways in which you radiate exactly that. > > Also, what is an "80s group"? Is that a 12-step program or something? > > I am sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant to suggest that The Fall > and REM were groups essentially born in the late 70s, rose to popularity in > the 1980s, and are generally considered to have had their heydays in the > 1980s. Totally academic, as you know. Actually both of those bands had their biggest hits in the '90's. And many would argue about The Fall's heyday(s). And I'm not sure why you didn't try to paint Forster with the same brush while you were at it. I remember a recent rant of yours against people who have given up on new music and I recognize your efforts to cast me in the mold of some ossified REM fan(s) you personally know and don't much care for, but look, you've got the wrong man. > > I may be mistaken, then. I thought I recalled a discussion a few years back > in which you admitted to not liking hip hop; and I don't recall ever seeing > any hip hop on your favorite lists, or discussing any hip hop artists. > Again, I may be wrong, it's been years on this List, and sometimes you > confuse people and postings. You are mistaken, and I think that your twice having used the phrase "admitted to not liking hip hop", as if one's personal tastes are an indisputable failing one should be ashamed of, is very telling with regards to the above. In any case, it might be accurate to say that I haven't been too enthusiastic about very much hip hop since, maybe, 1998 or so. But I could say the same thing about mainstream rock and loads of other music forms that've fallen on hard times. I again think you've slotted me into a demographic of your own devising. > > I know you feel I am making massively large and unsupported judgments about > you. But you yourself admitted it was a "painfully honest" list, and I for > one cannot imagine having only listened to three new CDs all the way > through > in the course of a year. I found that striking, even remarkable, so I > commented on it. I mean, after all -- we are on a music list. Again, the whole story would have been boring, but I didn't mean my statement to imply that I disengaged from music during the past year, or even that I didn't listen to any albums for the first time (new to me) all year. That, I would agree, would be odd. It was actually very freeing to get off the "keeping up with NEW! music" treadmill. In the early part of the year I was still digesting a lot of discoveries from the past (some from 2007, but more from the distant out-of-print past). Then I switched over to my Fall-only diet in the late spring, and believe me, that's been as deep and rewarding as any listening I've ever done, and it fit my lifestyle better than having to wade through too many recommendations for too many new bands that basically sound the same-- that is to say, it *made me happy* and really didn't do anything for my self-identification. The other side effect was that I got to focus more clearly on the music that I encountered randomly in daily life. It was actually pretty cool. I kept running up against things that challenged my musical preconceptions in fundamental ways. Ways boring to others, I'm sure, but I felt enriched, and less a slave to musical fashion than ever before. > > > > But you don't really want to, unless you want to cherry-pick an > > artist from that world to champion as legitimate just to show how very > > open-minded and eclectic you are. Some people are like that. > > Sigh. Fair enough, Rex. We can stop this now, before we drag the List down > into another idiotic spat fueled by my overwhelming, blind, hypocritical > ego > and your nasty, humorless petulance. I was tweaking your nose, so I suppose > I deserved to get a more powerful jab back. I should have known better. The > frog and the scorpion and all that. Doubtless we disagree about who fills which role. Strange metaphor... does the frog sting the scorpion first? And I really can't get my head around your persistent need to call me "humorless". Obviously a fair amount of what I write it meant to be *humorous*, and some people actually find it to be so. So you can say you don't find me funny, or you don't share my sense of humor, and that would at least be intellectually honest. Needing to make my "humorlessness" into an empirical fact is totally emblematic of why you are, in my considered and informed opinion... you know, not that pleasant as a person, and a more than a bit of a bully. And yeah, hypocritical... thanks. > > PS: You gotta say, though -- have their ever been two people on a list that > disliked each other more than me and Rex? Don't we get some kind of Webby > award for that? Maybe. It encourages hope in a weird way. I think Eb actually hated me more than you do, but such things can't be measured. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:18:43 -0600 (CST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and while I am possessed (thoroughly) with the skillz to create the perfect being; if I did so, it would just end up being a perfect replica of Phil Collins; and so I am wont to spend my time furthering other pursuits... On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > hurricane, I thought maybe I'd throw out a more specific request.> > > so what did you end up doing (if you don't mind my asking)? I did what any self-respecting Americano would do when faced with a natural disaster: I fled to the (second) nearest theme park and rode roller coasters until it was over. Sure, it was more expensive than staying with somefeg, but it was half as much fun! J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:17:25 -0500 From: lep Subject: is anyone (a) here and (b) awake? if so, could i impose upon you to proofread a one-page word document? in return, i can solve a system of linear equations for you. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 05:07:46 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: is anyone (a) here and (b) awake? never mind; apparently if one has a bit of patience papers do indeed proofread themselves. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:29:26 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: The Perfect Prescription Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription, what do you think if you have it? I bought it a few years back and only really started listening to it a couple of months ago and love it. The songs detail a drug trip from the initial point with the first song "Take Me To The Other Side" to coming down on last song. The current version contains three bonus cuts. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:49:14 -0500 From: Great Quail Subject: Was it The Crow? In reference to the Poppy Z. Brite shout-out of Robyn, I recall a comic from the 80s or 90s that extensively quoted "Raymond Chandler Evening." I *think* it was "The Crow," but I don't have a copy of that any more. (It mysteriously vanished from my collection the day I sold all me Sisters of Mercy cassettes and tossed my cans of Manic Panic in the trash.) Am I right? It's been driving me nuts... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:09:23 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: The Perfect Prescription Love it - got it many years ago. eleanore On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:29 AM, michaeljbachman@comcast.net wrote: > Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription, what do you think if you > have it? I bought it a few years back and only really started > listening to it a couple of months ago and love it. The songs > detail a drug trip from the initial point with the first song "Take > Me To The Other Side" to coming down on last song. The current > version contains three bonus cuts. > > > > Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:24:26 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: The Perfect Prescription THat one I don't know. I'm fond of An Evening Of Contemporary Sitar Music though. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:29 AM, wrote: > Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription, what do you think if you have it? I > bought it a few years back and only really started listening to it a couple > of months ago and love it. The songs detail a drug trip from the initial > point with the first song "Take Me To The Other Side" to coming down on last > song. The current version contains three bonus cuts. > > > > Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:41:40 -0500 From: Marc Alberts Subject: Re: The Perfect Prescription Probably my favorite one of theirs, including the offshoot Spiritualized stuff. Marc > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:29 AM, wrote: > >> Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription, what do you think if you have it? I >> bought it a few years back and only really started listening to it a couple >> of months ago and love it. The songs detail a drug trip from the initial >> point with the first song "Take Me To The Other Side" to coming down on last >> song. The current version contains three bonus cuts. >> >> >> >> Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:05:41 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Was it The Crow? - -- Great Quail is rumored to have mumbled on 18. Januar 2009 11:49:14 -0500 regarding Was it The Crow?: > In reference to the Poppy Z. Brite shout-out of Robyn, I recall a comic > from the 80s or 90s that extensively quoted "Raymond Chandler Evening." I > *think* it was "The Crow," but I don't have a copy of that any more. (It > mysteriously vanished from my collection the day I sold all me Sisters of > Mercy cassettes and tossed my cans of Manic Panic in the trash.) > > Am I right? Yes, you are. At least that's what my memory says. I thought I had the book, but I can't find it ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:14:11 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Perfect Prescription On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:29 AM, wrote: > Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription, what do you think if you have it? I > bought it a few years back and only really started listening to it a couple > of months ago and love it. The songs detail a drug trip from the initial > point with the first song "Take Me To The Other Side" to coming down on last > song. The current version contains three bonus cuts. > I like it a lot. To me it makes almost all their other stuff-- including, as Marc A. mentions, the offshoot projects-- sort of superfluous. It's pretty much all there on TPP. I like a few Spiritualized records, but they get a bit repetitive... although I know that's part of the point and all. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #16 *******************************