From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V17 #11 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 13 2009 Volume 17 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Chilean prog ["Jeremy Osner" ] coming to Rod's defense [Jill Brand ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! [Michael Sweeney ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! [Carrie Galbraith <] Re: coming to Rod's defense ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: coming to Rod's defense ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Dmitry ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Dmitry [lep ] RE: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! ["kevin studyvin" <] Re: coming to Rod's defense [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Dmitry ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Dmitry [James Dignan ] Re: Dmitry ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! [2fs Subject: Chilean prog Anybody know about Las Jaivas? Mix of traditional Andean music and synth pop. I've only heard one song so far, like it: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1663 (second video on the page.) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: coming to Rod's defense I'm not a fan of Rod Stewart's later records, but his early solo work and recordings with the Faces were stellar. His voice was expressive and emotional. So no, Eddie, you were not crazy. He's a great crooner, even if his later choices in music (Tonight's the Night = yuck) weren't so great. I mean, just how great is his version of Handbags and Gladrags? Bob Seger? Ewwwwwwwww. Right now I think Kevin Barnes has the most elastic voice around. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:56:35 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > question: who is the best male vocalist? Hmm...good one. I always shot traight up to Sinatra in general. For rock, the ones that I like best and were most affecting to me (etc.) are (in random order, as they float to mind): John Lennon, Pete Townshend, Bryan Ferry, Al Green, George Harrison, Prince... The ones from artists I like so much that just hit the level below: RH, Lindsey Buckingham, Jeff Tweedy, Thom Yorke, Paul McCartney ("like so much"-ness generally limited to 1963-circa 1992)... (Special mention (they always pop to mind as exceptions) for quirkily "horrible" voices that are so connected to their material that I'd always rather hear them than ANY "nice-voiced" covers of their material: Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Lou Reed...) Michael "Rod Stewart? Luv the early quirkiness; but I'm with 'South Park' on his later (about post-1984 (unless Jeff Beck was involved)) stuff: 'Oops - I pooped 'em!'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:09:29 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > I'm not a fan of Rod Stewart's later records, but his early solo work and > recordings with the Faces were stellar. His voice was expressive and > emotional. So no, Eddie, you were not crazy. He's a great crooner, even if > his later choices in music (Tonight's the Night = yuck) weren't so great. I > mean, just how great is his version of Handbags and Gladrags? Totally, on all counts. I have long lamented that anyone under a certain age (I guess at this point, it's 35) will have no memory of Rod Stewart being any good. Eddie, I'm more surprised that your choice was ridiculed. Sheesh. Sorta surprised at the mainstreaminess of a lot of the non-Robyn choices so far. Not that there's anything wrong with that. And below I have some pretty popular folks among my own choices. I've deliberately concentrated on the rock era, because I feel in the weeds talking about anything else. Here goes: * Bob Dylan, esp the classic '64-'68 run. I always understand why people can be totally turned off by his voice, but IMO no one sings Dylan as well as Dylan. * David Johansen. Quintessential, classic American voice. * Bruce Springsteen * Prince * Momus * Tim Booth of James * Jeff Heiskell of the Judybats * Adam Reichmann of Nadine (what the heck is he doing these days?) Lots more, I suppose, but a man's gotta press "send" sometime. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:10:49 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Hmm...good one. I always shot traight up to Sinatra in general. For rock, > the ones that I like best and were most affecting to me (etc.) are (in random > order, as they float to mind): John Lennon, Pete Townshend, Bryan Ferry, *Totally* forgot Ferry on my own list, and he may well be my #1. Sheesh. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:11:21 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense Rod Stewart went from the heights of 1975's Atlantic Crosssing album to the depths of 1976's A Night On The Town,B and B it would get worse yet in subsequent albums. I gave up on him after buying ANOTT, which only had one decent song, a cover of Cat Stevens The First Cut Is The Deepest. Michael B. B - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Brand" To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:55:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: coming to Rod's defense I'm not a fan of Rod Stewart's later records, but his early solo work and recordings with the Faces were stellar. B His voice was expressive and emotional. So no, Eddie, you were not crazy. B He's a great crooner, even if his later choices in music (Tonight's the Night = yuck) weren't so great. I mean, just how great is his version of Handbags and Gladrags? Bob Seger? B Ewwwwwwwww. Right now I think Kevin Barnes has the most elastic voice around. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:22:25 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense > * Bruce Springsteen Totally, totally disagree. It's not that common for me to be totally turned off by a singer's voice; but The Bruce does it. (Also Billy Joel, but that may be an ingrained response to the content of his lyrics rather than an authentic reaction to his voice.) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:21:30 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: >> question: who is the best male vocalist? > > > Hmm...good one. I always shot traight up to Sinatra in general. > For rock, > the ones that I like best and were most affecting to me (etc.) are > (in random > order, as they float to mind): John Lennon, Pete Townshend, Bryan > Ferry, Al > Green, George Harrison, Prince... > I am faithful to the dreamy voices of Leonard Cohen and Nick Cave. They can hold me in their thrall any day of the week. - - c Carrie Galbraith 707.477.8607 meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:22 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: >> * Bruce Springsteen > > Totally, totally disagree. It's not that common for me to be totally > turned off by a singer's voice; but The Bruce does it. I get it, but I also think you're missing out, especially if you only know the Big Hit Singles. If "Stolen Car," "Adam Raised a Cain," "Atlantic City," "Incident on 57th Street," "Shut Out the Light," and "Darkness on the Edge of Town" don't ring any bells, further investigation is warranted. If they do and you still don't like Bruce, well, that may be that. For me, he's a first-rate talent. In 1980, discovering Bruce and the Clash changed how I listened to music. Unfortunately, Lead Singer Voice Aversion is difficult to overcome. Smashing Pumpkins could be the best thing ever, but I'll never know because I'll never get past wanting to strangle Billy Corgan before he can emit another vocal sound. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:37:29 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > I get it, but I also think you're missing out, especially if you only > know the Big Hit Singles. Hm, interesting. The BHS are indeed what I know of Bruce's work. Maybe I should look into it further. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:19:12 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Dmitry > If in a situation where you have a dozen people and a ten-person lifeboat > and one of the would-be occupants is a pregnant woman, does she draw straws > like everyone else, or does she get a pass? I'd say pass, personally, but if > so, then why? Because of a pre-existing condition? Because she's pregnant? > Because she's going to bring something new into the world? > > The same could be said for an industrialist. They have the ways and means > to create something; not just the drive but the ability to bring something > to the table. So your industrialist (which is a hard word to read without seeing a mental image from an old newspaper cartoon of a cigar-chomping individual in a tuxedo grinding heaps of little laborers under his patent-leather heel) is going to construct his railroad, factory, telecommunications network or what have you all on his lonesome without the assistance of a workforce of some sort? This would truly be something new under the sun... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:27:12 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered > I think that's just Poppy being Poppy. There used to be a long piece (by > her/him/whatever) on her gender dysphoria/extreme kink kicking around the > web, but it > seems to have been disappeared. The gender confusion in Queen Elvis might > make it read > like a love song to her - more than one with straight-oriented lyrics, > anyway. > > Jeanne > Based on some pf the photos that were published of Poppy Z back in the olden days, she was pretty clearly female. Alas, the former Goth horror queen has abandoned the wicked ways of her misbegotten youth, claiming these days to more interested in good ole N'Orleans cuisine than the transgender vampire fiction she used to write, and is pretty much indistinguishable from the latter-day Linda Ronstadt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:02:41 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Dmitry kevin studyvin wrote: > If in a situation where you have a dozen people and a ten-person > lifeboat and one of the would-be occupants is a pregnant woman, does > she draw straws like everyone else, or does she get a pass? I'd say > pass, personally, but if so, then why? Because of a pre-existing > condition? Because she's pregnant? Because she's going to bring > something new into the world? > > The same could be said for an industrialist. They have the ways and > means to create something; not just the drive but the ability to > bring something to the table. > > So your industrialist (which is a hard word to read without seeing a > mental image from an old newspaper cartoon of a > cigar-chomping individual in a tuxedo grinding heaps of little laborers > under his patent-leather heel) is going to construct his railroad, > factory, telecommunications network or what have you all on his lonesome > without the assistance of a workforce of some sort? This would truly be > something new under the sun... Not, not by himself. With the help of the other nine in the boat. Securing his place there (and not turning him into some succulent chum) offers more opportunity -- both in theory and reality -- to the other nine then leaving him or her behind. Try to employ some logic. It won't hurt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:25:34 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Dmitry kevin says: > So your industrialist (which is a hard word to read without seeing a mental > image from an old newspaper cartoon of a cigar-chomping individual in a > tuxedo grinding heaps of little laborers under his patent-leather heel) is > going to construct his railroad, factory, telecommunications network or what > have you all on his lonesome without the assistance of a workforce of some > sort? This would truly be something new under the sun... /* wondering: who is john galt. */ - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:47:35 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! > but i suppose it's worth asking all y'alls: even if he'd not be your > selection, is that he was mine really deserving of unanimous ridicule? > i'm still kind of incredulous. I could easily put Rod Stewart in my top 3 depending on my mood. I don't know if anyone has mentioned Little Richard yet but he's definitely a contender. Robin Zander is probably my most ridicule-inspiring top 5 pick but I stand by it. And Robyn Hitchcock is a damn fine singer, top 50 for sure. So, women? Gotta be Mavis Staples, right? +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:29:16 -0600 (CST) From: Laura Dean Golias Subject: Re: Re: coming to Rod's defense I had no idea that was a Cat Stevens song! I've never even heard it! I agree, that is one of the few songs I like that Stewart sings. Actually, one of two. Maggie May, to me, is an awesome song. I hated his cover of Tom Waits Downtown Train. I hated Springsteen's cover of it to. I need to find that Cat Stevens! Which album was it on? Laura Dean Golias ldgolias1@verizon.net Rod Stewart went from the heights of 1975's Atlantic Crosssing album to the depths of 1976's A Night On The Town,B and B it would get worse yet in subsequent albums. I gave up on him after buying ANOTT, which only had one decent song, a cover of Cat Stevens The First Cut Is The Deepest. Michael B. B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense Miles Goosens wrote: > Totally, on all counts. I have long lamented that anyone under a > certain age (I guess at this point, it's 35) will have no memory of > Rod Stewart being any good. Given that it's what I will turn in 3 months, it's at least 37. I know it's highly regarded, but I just cannot even listen to any of his old, apparently good stuff and not hear the sad pantload he's always been in my memory. My loss I guess, but .... > * Bob Dylan, esp the classic '64-'68 run. I always understand why > people can be totally turned off by his voice, but IMO no one sings > Dylan as well as Dylan. There are a few exceptions -- trackwise, not vocalist wise -- but yeah. Bob (barring his down periods) has such command of his phrasing and how his voice sounds. If you gave him a "good" voice, he's probably not be as good a singer. He uses his limitations as an asset, rather than letting it be a defeciency. Same with Tom Waits, Neil Young, Robert Smith, Elvis Costello, David Byrne, Neil Tennant. > * Tim Booth of James Is the reunion album any good? Other names to chuck out that I don't remember anyone saying: Ian McCulloch Neil Finn Greg Dulli Has everyone missed Marvin Gaye? I've always favored Nat "King" Cole for my standards-y crooning needs over Sinatra, etc. Just sounds like butter. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:44:29 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM, wrote: > Kevin wrote: > > > > Based on some pf the photos that were published of Poppy Z back in the > olden days, she > was pretty clearly female. > > Oh yeah, it was all internal. That's pretty much what body dysmorphia is, > right? The > disagreement between the inner and the outer. (Sometimes) she wished she > was a pretty > boy, is the point. I never did like her fiction much - it's like Clive > Barker's - I just > do not get it. People were fanatical about it though, I remember. People > you didn't want > to argue with. > > > Alas, the former Goth horror queen has > > abandoned the wicked ways of her misbegotten youth, claiming these days > to more > interested in good ole N'Orleans cuisine than the transgender vampire > fiction she used > to write, and is pretty much indistinguishable from the latter-day Linda > Ronstadt. > > Is she recording music now? Yikes. And Anne Rice has become a full-on > religious maniac. > I wonder what Stephenie Meyer will do in middle age to entertain/dismay us > all. Nothing happening musically far as I know. She's just started to look like La Ronstadt - big puffy-jowled brunette with big dark eyes and bad hair. I remember being completely blown away by Interview With the Vampire back in '76. The emotional intensity of the writing was overwhelming, and there was all that swampy stuff and catacombs in Paris...goth heaven, before there were even any goths to go there. But as time went by her books just turned to crap and her interviews increasingly made her sound like a dimwitted egomaniac. Who needs that, I say. I still like Clive Barker though. Although Coldheart Canyon seemed a little pro forma. And his readings are always a hoot - he's a very funny guy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Laura Dean Golias Subject: Re: Re: coming to Rod's defense My thoughts exactly, Miles. I saw them in concert (Siamese Dream), and his behavior on stage turned me off. He acted like a spoiled brat, throwing shoes and such. I liked the band as a whole, not for Billy alone. And I didn't even bother with the new album. I can't believe he replaced Darcy with a look-alike. Not too cool, Billy. Laura Dean Golias ldgolias1@verizon.net Unfortunately, Lead Singer Voice Aversion is difficult to overcome. Smashing Pumpkins could be the best thing ever, but I'll never know because I'll never get past wanting to strangle Billy Corgan before he can emit another vocal sound. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:53:23 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense > Has everyone missed Marvin Gaye? No way dude -- I mentioned him a couple days ago in the same breath w/Otis Redding. > > I've always favored Nat "King" Cole for my standards-y crooning needs over Sinatra, etc. Just sounds like butter. Agreed that Cole is easier on the ears than Sinatra; listening to either one of them for very long drives me right up the wall though. In the category of male vocalists who use their limitations to their advantage, Louis Armstrong. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:57:24 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > > but i suppose it's worth asking all y'alls: even if he'd not be your > > selection, is that he was mine really deserving of unanimous ridicule? > > i'm still kind of incredulous. > > I could easily put Rod Stewart in my top 3 depending on my mood. I don't > know if anyone has mentioned Little Richard yet but he's definitely a > contender. Robin Zander is probably my most ridicule-inspiring top 5 pick > but I stand by it. And Robyn Hitchcock is a damn fine singer, top 50 for > sure. > > So, women? Gotta be Mavis Staples, right? Little Richard is definitely a voice for the ages. Women - Etta James, Victoria Williams, Marianne Faithfull, Bonnie Bramlett, Mikki Steele, Hope Sandoval, Martha Wainwright (not to mention the McGarrigle sisters), Niko Case, Wanda Jackson, Linda Ronstadt up to about Heart Like a Wheel. And that thing Zooey Deschanel came out with last year wasn't bad either. Oh, and Annie Ross. And did I mention Wanda Jackson? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:58:46 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense bruce did waits' jersey girl he had his own composition, downbound train as for cat stevens, it was from the very early days (pre-A&M) originally on New Masters my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 1/13/2009 3:44:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ldgolias1@verizon.net writes: I hated his cover of Tom Waits Downtown Train. I hated Springsteen's cover of it to. I need to find that Cat Stevens! Which album was it on? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:22:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered - -- kevin studyvin is rumored to have mumbled on 13. Januar 2009 12:44:29 -0800 regarding Re: random robyn tidbit - newly discovered: > I still like Clive Barker though. I've only read "Books of Blood", and that was at least 10 years ago, but that's one of the few books that managed to actually scare me to some degree. In a good way. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:25:15 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense - -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled on 13. Januar 2009 12:31:14 -0800 regarding Re: coming to Rod's defense: > I've always favored Nat "King" Cole for my standards-y crooning needs > over Sinatra, etc. Just sounds like butter. I like Mel Torme best, as far as that quality is concerned. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:46:37 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: coming to Rod's defense > In the category of male vocalists who use their limitations to their > advantage, Louis Armstrong. Not to mention being the guy Waits apparently learned to sing from listening to. I have to second Greg Allman. And toss in the great vaudeville vet John W. Bubbles. nb: The Neil Young Archives vol. 1 is now available for pre-order @ amazon. For a niggling 310 bucks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:04:49 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Dmitry On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, FSThomas wrote: > kevin studyvin wrote: > >> If in a situation where you have a dozen people and a ten-person >> lifeboat and one of the would-be occupants is a pregnant woman, does >> she draw straws like everyone else, or does she get a pass? I'd say >> pass, personally, but if so, then why? Because of a pre-existing >> condition? Because she's pregnant? Because she's going to bring >> something new into the world? >> >> The same could be said for an industrialist. They have the ways and >> means to create something; not just the drive but the ability to >> bring something to the table. >> >> So your industrialist (which is a hard word to read without seeing a >> mental image from an old newspaper cartoon of a cigar-chomping individual in >> a tuxedo grinding heaps of little laborers under his patent-leather heel) is >> going to construct his railroad, factory, telecommunications network or what >> have you all on his lonesome without the assistance of a workforce of some >> sort? This would truly be something new under the sun... >> > > Not, not by himself. With the help of the other nine in the boat. Securing > his place there (and not turning him into some succulent chum) offers more > opportunity -- both in theory and reality -- to the other nine then leaving > him or her behind. > > Try to employ some logic. It won't hurt. What I'm really trying to (de)ploy is the old cooperation-vs-competition argument, which if I'm stuck in a lifeboat my first priority for who I'd prefer to share it with is persons who grasp the idea that cooperation is more conducive to our mutual survival than competition. Anybody in my lifeboat who thinks competition for a fixed pool of resources is a social good had better not turn their back on me. I'm just sayin'. (And mothers, in my experience, are way more cooperation-oriented than most hypothetical titans of industry, ergo more desirable lifeboat companions.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:53:40 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Dmitry > > And you're better off putting the four of them in the lifeboat along with > > whoever else might fit. Think of them like a collective Professor on > > Gilligan's Island. Without their knowledge and abilities the rest of the > > survivors wouldn't get a coconut radio. > > > >I just need to let that stand on its own, and bask in the purity of its >sheer, inhuman wrongness without further comment. 'Cause damn. The Professor would have been the first to put the most vulnerable in the lifeboat and then look for an alternative solution - and he'd have been by far the most likely to find one. If those four luminaries are as smart as that statement suggests, then they're the four best equipped to stay behind. They have the most chance of survival without the necessity of the lifeboat. On a sinking ship there are likely to be any number of things that can act as flotation devices if a person thinks laterally enough - and these four are likely to be the best lateral thinkers. Save the lifeboat for those that need it most. James (why do I always feel the urge to respond to such trolling?) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:12:42 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Dmitry All this talk of lifeboats is making me think about Hitchcock... but we already talked about that last month! Can't you guys use trolleys instead? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:53:18 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On 1/13/09, Brian Huddell wrote: > So, women? Gotta be Mavis Staples, right? Hmm... Grace Slick, Neko Case, Kristin Hersh, PJ Harvey... Oh - and whoever does the backing vocal on "Gimme Shelter" - that's one of the most incredible vocal performances of all time. You know the moment I mean...shivers every time I hear it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:54:21 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be butt-nekkid already! On 1/13/09, 2fs wrote: > On 1/13/09, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > So, women? Gotta be Mavis Staples, right? > > > Hmm... Grace Slick, Neko Case, Kristin Hersh, PJ Harvey... Attach my previous "I tend to think by large-scale genre" comment...if I were in the area of R&B etc., Ms. Staples would surely be up there...but it's not really my genre. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V17 #11 *******************************