From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #808 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, December 21 2008 Volume 16 : Number 808 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: alphabettering my cd's [Rex ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [R] Re: Psychotic REAPaction [Rex ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... ["] Re: For Ferris [Michael Sweeney ] RE: manu chao ["C. Huff" ] RE: manu chao [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... ["] Re: manu chao ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: manu chao ["John B. Jones" ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [H] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... ["] Model 271 (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [H] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [R] Re: manu chao [Rex ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [2] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [2] Re: manu chao ["C. Huff" ] Re: alphabettering my cd's [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #807 [James Dignan ] Re: alphabettering my cd's [2fs ] Re: Model 271 (NR) [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:03:03 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: alphabettering my cd's On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > Hey - > > I'm filing cd's away. Does Manu Chao go under M's or C's?? (In other words, > is the guy's name Manu Chao, or is this just some phrase he goes by a la > Badly Drawn Boy?) > Chao is his putative last name, so C, but his old band Mano Negra is an M. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:09:02 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > ...but it *has* been bugging shit outta me this year (though why not in > previous years, i couldn't really say...). > > either i'm a dumbass, or the lines in "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town"... > > He knows when you've been bad or good > So be good for goodness' sake > > > ...are contradictory. if you're being good for goodness' sake, it doesn't > matter whether or not he knows. but if you're being good 'cause he knows > whether or not you're being good (in other words, because you want a train > set, and not a lump o' coal), then you're not being good for goodness' > sake; but rather for your own selfish interest. (not to say that one's own > selfish interest is or is not a valid reason to be good -- but it's > decidedly *not* being good for goodness' sake.) > > am i missing something? Well, I think that in this case "for goodness' sake" is meant to be the idiom which means not so much "for the sake of goodness" as "seriously, no shit, just stop dicking around and do it". Think of the parallel constructions "for Christ's sake" or "for fuck's sake", which are almost never used to exhort someone to do something specifically for Jesus or the act of sexual congress. And don't even try to wrap your mind around "for the love of Pete". The line in the song, then, is either clever or incredibly drily ironic. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:10:15 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Psychotic REAPaction On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > John Byrne, lead singer of The Count Five. > > http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_11256644 > How come I never noticed that guy had the same name as the X-Men artist? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:24:45 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... This is a very nice pair of fegs messages. Just sayin'. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Rex wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > >> ...but it *has* been bugging shit outta me this year (though why not in >> previous years, i couldn't really say...). >> >> either i'm a dumbass, or the lines in "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town"... >> >> He knows when you've been bad or good >> So be good for goodness' sake >> >> >> ...are contradictory. if you're being good for goodness' sake, it doesn't >> matter whether or not he knows. but if you're being good 'cause he knows >> whether or not you're being good (in other words, because you want a train >> set, and not a lump o' coal), then you're not being good for goodness' >> sake; but rather for your own selfish interest. (not to say that one's own >> selfish interest is or is not a valid reason to be good -- but it's >> decidedly *not* being good for goodness' sake.) >> >> am i missing something? > > > Well, I think that in this case "for goodness' sake" is meant to be the > idiom which means not so much "for the sake of goodness" as "seriously, no > shit, just stop dicking around and do it". Think of the parallel > constructions "for Christ's sake" or "for fuck's sake", which are almost > never used to exhort someone to do something specifically for Jesus or the > act of sexual congress. And don't even try to wrap your mind around "for > the love of Pete". > > The line in the song, then, is either clever or incredibly drily ironic. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:27:04 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: For Ferris Kevin wrote: >np: some live Steely Dan featuring a really tasty "Babylon Sisters." Which suddenly strikes me as one of the saddest songs ever< ...Oooh -- my all-time favorite Dan song. I can still remember sitting in the seats of the little theater at college in early '81 (second semester o' freshmen year), waiting for my later cues during a play rehearsal (think it was for "Blithe Spirit"...unless it was actually a bit earlier, in fall '80 during first semester, in which case it was during "She Stoops to Conquer"), writing the words to "Babylon Sisters" in my journal from memory (and it had only been out a few weeks then, IIRC)... Michael "Drive west on Sunset to the sea..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: RE: manu chao Manu is first name (short for Manuel), Chao is last name. File under C for Cabbage. :-) Love Manu Chao! Possibly the greatest "new" artist around right now... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:49:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: manu chao - -- "C. Huff" is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Dezember 2008 19:32:23 -0800 regarding RE: manu chao: > Manu is first name (short for Manuel), Chao is last name. File under C > for Cabbage. :-) > > Love Manu Chao! Possibly the greatest "new" artist around right now... I realize you used quotes, but still: "new"??? At least here in Europe he's decidedly old news. "Clandestino" came out in 1998! And "Proxima Estacion ... Esperanza" was virtually mainstream. He's been dubbed "the voice of the anti-globalization movement", which I guess in itself is more of a deal outside of the US. I like him too, but a few years back he was overplayed on the radio and at parties. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:50:28 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... makes sense; and you're probably right that that's what's intended. HOWEVER, i've not heard any reading of the song which phrases it to convey that meaning (i.e., with a comma following "be good", and an emphasis/"stop dicking around" tone of voice on the "for goodness' sake"). certainly, i've not in all my born years ever heard it that way. but then, i guess it's one of those things where it just never even occurs to you that there even *could* be a different interpretation; so you never think to ask your neighbour, "hey, biff, what's your reading of the 'goodness' sake' line in 'Santa Claus Is Coming To Town'?" anyhow, it's snowin' like a motherfucker here. our best snow event since...'96, if memory serves! so, a good day to listen to the christmas carols. particularly enjoyed a martina mcbride set of them to-day. according to the goddam wikipedia, his parents named him "Josi-Manuel Thomas Arthur Chao". i like the way you think, let it be known. i, for one, go so far as to file beck under "H", and madonna under "C". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:55:29 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: manu chao On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:32 PM, C. Huff wrote: > File under C for Cabbage. :-) The kind that one juggles in the presence of a dream-state Hitchcock? J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:22:45 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: manu chao I'm late to the party as usual. Just purchased "Clandestino" over the summer. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- "C. Huff" is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Dezember > 2008 19:32:23 -0800 regarding RE: manu chao: > > Manu is first name (short for Manuel), Chao is last name. File under C >> for Cabbage. :-) >> >> Love Manu Chao! Possibly the greatest "new" artist around right now... >> > > I realize you used quotes, but still: "new"??? At least here in Europe he's > decidedly old news. "Clandestino" came out in 1998! And "Proxima Estacion > ... Esperanza" was virtually mainstream. He's been dubbed "the voice of the > anti-globalization movement", which I guess in itself is more of a deal > outside of the US. I like him too, but a few years back he was overplayed on > the radio and at parties. > -- > Sebastian Hagedorn > Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany > http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ > "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:19:13 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... that is way cool ! now, if you had Linda McCartney's solo album would it be under "E""S" or "M" and what about Cat Stevens ? "G" "S" or "I" my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 12/20/2008 11:02:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, etews@inwa.net writes: i like the way you think, let it be known. i, for one, go so far as to file beck under "H", and madonna under "C". **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:38:21 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > HOWEVER, i've not heard any reading of the song which phrases it to convey > that meaning (i.e., with a comma following "be good", and an emphasis/"stop > dicking around" tone of voice on the "for goodness' sake"). certainly, > i've not in all my born years ever heard it that way. Eddie, I've got this plate of beans here. Maybe you'd like to overthink it? > i, for one, go so far as to file beck under "H" What, and not under "C"? Outrage! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:55:59 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... > now, if you had Linda McCartney's solo album > would it be under "E""S" or "M" > Her what now? > > and what about Cat Stevens ? > "G" "S" or "I" > Right between Ringo and Dave Stewart & the Spiritual Cowboys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:57:20 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Model 271 (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:02:50 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... Linda McCartney's Wide Prairie album - released soon after her death i'm guessing you'd file it under "M" my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 12/20/2008 11:56:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kstudyvin@gmail.com writes: now, if you had Linda McCartney's solo album would it be under "E""S" or "M" Her what now? and what about Cat Stevens ? "G" "S" or "I" Right between Ringo and Dave Stewart & the Spiritual Cowboys. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:27:49 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > i like the way you think, let it be known. i, for one, go so far as to > file beck under "H", and madonna under "C". How many people are restraining themselves from the obvious joke response here? Meanwhile, I do so wish my daughter didn't have Scarlet Fever for her birthday... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:33:19 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: manu chao On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > >> Love Manu Chao! Possibly the greatest "new" artist around right now... >> > > I realize you used quotes, but still: "new"??? At least here in Europe he's > decidedly old news. "Clandestino" came out in 1998! And "Proxima Estacion > ... Esperanza" was virtually mainstream. He's been dubbed "the voice of the > anti-globalization movement", which I guess in itself is more of a deal > outside of the US. I like him too, but a few years back he was overplayed on > the radio and at parties. Mano Negra was big in France when I lived there, so that was like 1991... and some of the songs from their-then-current album were recycled for "Clandestino". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:27:30 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... On 12/20/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > that is way cool ! > > now, if you had Linda McCartney's solo album > would it be under "E""S" or "M" > > and what about Cat Stevens ? > "G" "S" or "I" I'm not quite sure why anyone would file Linda McCartney's solo album under anything but "M"... She hadn't been "Linda Eastman" for ages...and what the hell would "S" be anyway? I figure if someone's going to call themselves "Cat Stevens" then that gets filed under "S"...because for all I know, some other person is using a stage name but just isn't telling anyone. Where I'm tempted to deviate from actual name as listed is offshoot acts that are really the same band...Dukes of Stratosphear, Ciccone Youth, etc. Trouble is, sometimes those acts take on new personnel and suddenly become their own thing (I know there's an example but I can't think of it off the top of my head). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:30:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... On 12/20/08, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > idiom which means not so much "for the sake of goodness" as "seriously, no > shit, just stop dicking around and do it". Think of the parallel > constructions "for Christ's sake" or "for fuck's sake", which are almost > never used to exhort someone to do something specifically for Jesus or the > act of sexual congress. And don't even try to wrap your mind around "for > the love of Pete".> > > > makes sense; and you're probably right that that's what's intended. > HOWEVER, i've not heard any reading of the song which phrases it to convey > that meaning (i.e., with a comma following "be good", and an emphasis/"stop > dicking around" tone of voice on the "for goodness' sake"). I think when a song gets to a certain level of popularity, no one bothers to think about the words any more. I mean, "The Star-Spangled Banner" is actually a series of questions...is that flag still there? to which no one, in the song, actually knows the answers. Here, read this (it'll hurt your eyes): certainly, > i've not in all my born years ever heard it that way. All your born years, yeah...but it sounds great when you're dead. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: Re: manu chao lol the very same! I had an RH dream the other night too - ended with the walls of my house being blown down by ice and wind...RH was extremely tall, 9 feet or so, and was looking down on me contemptously lol > The kind that one juggles in the presence of a dream-state > Hitchcock? > > J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:59:09 -0800 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: alphabettering my cd's On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:25 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > Hey - > > I'm filing cd's away. Does Manu Chao go under M's or C's?? (In > other words, > is the guy's name Manu Chao, or is this just some phrase he goes by > a la > Badly Drawn Boy?) I'm always confused about film scores. Do I file them under the (main) composer, (main) artist/band, country or film director. (Not under the film name of course.) My dvds are filed by genre but I currently have the soundtracks filed by director. I'm so not sure. - - c ************************************** Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself. ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:53:20 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... 2fs wrote: > > I mean, "The Star-Spangled > Banner" is actually a series of questions...is that flag still there? > to which no one, in the song, actually knows the answers. Ah, 1812: the year we gave up and let the terrorists win. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:52:21 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #807 > > "Take the Mon(k)ey and Run". > >(Mash-up of Steve Miller and John Lennon?) Would work better as a mashup of Gerry Rafferty and Peter Gabriel James (dammit, someone beat me to the "I never died said he" line) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:54:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: alphabettering my cd's On 12/21/08, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:25 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > I'm always confused about film scores. Do I file them under the > (main) composer, (main) artist/band, country or film director. (Not > under the film name of course.) My dvds are filed by genre but I > currently have the soundtracks filed by director. I'm so not sure. I have very few film scores...my friends Tonia and Cason, however, are maniacs for them. They file alpha by title. I'd probably do the same - on the grounds that doing so makes things consistent (you know where to look, without having to remember other details about the soundtrack). I suppose there might be exceptions - the soundtrack to _The Kids Are Alright_ obviously should simply be filed under "The Who" - but unless you're a huge Danny Elfman fan, or John Williams fan (i.e., unless you buy the soundtracks because you like the composer, and don't or rarely buy soundtracks by unknown or other composers), title seems the best. That way you don't have to remember whether the soundtrack CD is a bunch of popular songs, the actual score, etc. I think I've mentioned I have a separate "various artists" section: for me, the film (or TV show) soundtrack would go in that section, alpha by title. Same with original cast recordings, etc. (such as the Buffy musical soundtrack...which is filed as if its title is _Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Once More with Feeling (Original Soundtrack)_ - which would be true of a hypothetical musical for any other series (_24! The Musical Season...Kiefer Sings!_), or the original recording of _Jesus Christ Superstar_. SOW - my copy of the Bible is filed alphabetically, under "G" for "God" (a pseudonym) in the fiction section.. Okay, not really: it's actually in amongst the reference works, which is how it gets used anyway.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Model 271 (NR) Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > So, if we can just get someone to try and run him over with a variety of fuel effient American cars, we can save the American auto industry. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #808 ********************************